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It is Christmas time! and thus the best time to hand out a present to the community.

Introducing: SIMBA

Raymond, Wizzup?, BenLand100, Markus, Nielsie95, Bullzeye95, Cazax, Boberman, NxTitle and Nava2* have been working on their own Color Macro program: Simba.
* There are many more developers

What is Simba?

Open Source

Simba is Free Software!, and therefore comes with full source code. Everyone can see how it is constructed and learn from it. It is your next step to a successful programming career. You are free to modify it to fit your (or SRLs) needs.
Yeah!

Cross Platform

Simba is available for Linux and Windows. A lot of stuff has been directly developed on Linux. Mac support is coming next year.

Object Oriented

The code behind Simba, also known as the Mufasa Macro Library (MML) is Object Oriented. This means the code is highly readable, but also very maintainable; just like SRL. The MML also ships a lot of extra components which you can use in your own programs and scripts.

A Macro Program!

Shipped with a cross platform library, the MML, Simba will soon be suited for your daily macro activities! It already contains a lot of features, and more are being added.

Actively Developed

We current are maintaining Simba actively, and hope to be able to do so in the future. We may not always have time, but you too can work on it; because the code is 100% open source. Simba has had working OCR (from MML) for quite some time now, and it has also survived the recent RuneScape uptext update.

Well Documented

Simba and the MML strive to be well documented. There are many documents under constructions, and we will maintain them thus making it easy for everyone 'hop on' and start developing. We will also introduce a bugtracker for this project.

Not just Pascal!

The MML and Simba are both written in Free Pascal, but will get binding to other languages at some point. Python is planned, but since MML and Simba are fully open source, you can write bindings for virtually every language. We know some people favour other languages, and understand it is important to let them use their own language.

Still in development…

Sadly, we believe that Simba is not yet suited for general purpose macroing. There are bugs in the program we have to fix, so currently we are not handing out a binary just yet. The code however may be available soon.

In need of testers!

Simba is in need of testers! Do you want to participate and help? We may just be able to use your help…
Send me (or Raymond) a PM!

For now,
Hakuna Matata…

Win.

Oh cool, I'll have to take a look at this :o.

~Sand

A new era has begun!

What a wonderful post..

Try it, it tastes just like chicken!

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm excited.

Amazing..I'll help with some testing/dev…iv been lookin into fast color finding..for a long time

Win.

Hello there! :)

SCAR is Simba's evil uncle.

:drool:

*Claims credit for naming :p

*claps*

Win win win win win win.

:) Project Simba!

From: TViYH
SCAR is Simba's evil uncle.

LOL win

From: Widget
*Claims credit for naming :p

I suggested the name too :<

Hmm… Didn't understand what it actually is.

I am 12 years old and what is this I don't even

From: Dr D. Dervish
Hmm… Didn't understand what it actually is.

From: Wizzup?
..have been working on their own Color Macro program: Simba…

.. A Macro Program! ..

..Simba will soon be suited for your daily macro activities..

There ya go; A scriptable color bot, just like SCAR.

From: mastaraymond
There ya go; A scriptable color bot, just like SCAR.

Correction, its not just like SCAR. Its very different from SCAR.
You will get to see just how so ;)

Those screenshots don't give it justice.

From: Nava2
Correction, its not just like SCAR. Its very different from SCAR.
You will get to see just how so ;)

Those screenshots don't give it justice.

= what I didn't understand : "how is it different from SCAR ?"

Part from that its open source.

From: Dr D. Dervish
= what I didn't understand : "how is it different from SCAR ?"

Part from that its open source.

Well you don't want me to write down all the differences between the two programs. It's the same as "How does Open Office differ from Microsoft Office".

But to answer your question: The philosophy, the compiler used, the way the program is maintained, the way the GUI looks, the way it's made up, etc..

I have tbh.. My heart jumped :)
/me waits/helps with java support?

nice

so…. this is basicly like scar, but can be suited for different languages?

OMG win.

From: Dumpin
so…. this is basicly like scar, but can be suited for different languages?

And different operating systems, and whatever else you can think of/code into it :)

Can I expect to see any minimize-able client compatible with this program?

From: Town
Can I expect to see any minimize-able client compatible with this program?

SMART already works. Windows and Linux.

From: Town
Can I expect to see any minimize-able client compatible with this program?

SMART has been working and included for many many months.

Is SMART being actively developed as a part of this project?

From: Town
Is SMART being actively developed as a part of this project?

Smart is, yes. But, no, there is no SMART source.

Awesome.

Soo stoked you guy's did this!

I'm down to help with whatever..just let me know.

Very amazing present. I would love to test it out as well.

From: Nava2
Smart is, yes. But, no, there is no SMART source.

That's the answer I was looking for. The ideas alone sound pretty complete so it will be a treat to see.

The GUI does look a lot like SCAR tbh. But other than that, super duper awesome?!

From: N1ke!
Win.

This^

Wow this looks great. Can't wait till it's finished and released :) A really nice present for the community.

From: Floor66
The GUI does look a lot like SCAR tbh. But other than that, super duper awesome?!

If you mean the icon set, we had them first. :p

Will this replace SCAR for the SRL community when its finished?

From: Nava2
If you mean the icon set, we had them first. :p

No, just the program overall. Line numbers, debug box, procs/funcs box, tabs, toolbar.

From: Floor66
No, just the program overall. Line numbers, debug box, procs/funcs box, tabs, toolbar.

Well it is aimed to do the same thing as scar, correct?

Thus it needs these same features to operate…

EDIT: This is heaps better than my Color Macro program well done!!

Also if thsi does replace SCAR will the current SRL Libary work with it. If not will MML take over the SRL Libary and if so copy things from SRL to MML?

From: NiCbaZ
Will this replace SCAR for the SRL community when its finished?

That's up to the SRL community.. I cannot look into the future ;)

From: Floor66
No, just the program overall. Line numbers, debug box, procs/funcs box, tabs, toolbar.

Yep, just like most source editors :p. We're open for suggestions, if you have any?

Good work guys! Loving the fact it is Open Source. <3

I can see macroing does have a nice future. :)

From: n3ss3s
nice

+1.

From: NiCbaZ
Well it is aimed to do the same thing as scar, correct?

Thus it needs these same features to operate…

EDIT: This is heaps better than my Color Macro program well done!!

Also if thsi does replace SCAR will the current SRL Libary work with it. If not will MML take over the SRL Libary and if so copy things from SRL to MML?

The MML is the library behind Simba. Simba is merely a Front-end for the library. The library will work independently from Simba. SRL is not the same as MML, the MML is internal ;)

So if simba takes over, their will be no need for SRL? or will it still be used in the same way?

So as i understand MML contains the functions, that are closed soured in scar such as color finding functions etc??

From: NiCbaZ
So if simba takes over, their will be no need for SRL? or will it still be used in the same way?

So as i understand MML contains the functions, that are closed soured in scar such as color finding functions etc??

SRL is separate. SRL is RuneScape things. Where MML contains all the finding functions etc. So, things like DTMs, Bitmaps, colours, and all that jazz is part of the MML.

SRL will still function the same way! :)

From: Wizzup?
SMART already works. Windows and Linux.

Gotta love ol' Benny

From: Nava2
SRL is separate. SRL is RuneScape things. Where MML contains all the finding functions etc. So, things like DTMs, Bitmaps, colours, and all that jazz is part of the MML.

SRL will still function the same way! :)

Sweet =]

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All that is man, Janilabo, mastaraymond, Nava2, NCDS, Ogre, Wizzup?, WT-Fakawi

Lol this is epic

Looks like you ripped everything off scar

From: cycrosism
Looks like you ripped everything off scar

Yeah! We took the closed source app, ripped it apart, put it in a different compiler and called it Simba!

Just looking at the screenshot it is a total rip off of scar. SRL is based on scar yet you want to create another program for macroing. Why would you want to do this

Im guessing because with scar its only 1 great mind working on it, and with simba it can have mant great minds wokring on it, and its opened source, works on multi os'es.. etc..

Scar is closed source. So what so are almost every other program I have used.

It will work on multi os's? It works on *nix just fine. I installed wine, windows java binaries, I was able to use SMART to auto on it. No problems what-so-ever

From: cycrosism
Just looking at the screenshot it is a total rip off of scar. SRL is based on scar yet you want to create another program for macroing. Why would you want to do this

For the reasons stated in the first post. Maintainability and Education.
However, my reason to participate in this project is to educate the people who are interested, although a great deal is also just having fun, learning new stuff.

Why are you so offensive, cycrosism? Freddy suggested this himself.

14:34 < Freddy1990> jimmy_mac: If people want it open-source so badly, why don't they write it themselves?

It looks like SCAR? Well, what did you expect? What is a color macro without a color picker, without a window selector?
Those are just basic features, it's like saying Paint and GIMP are the same, because they both load an image and allow you to edit them.

Try picking a Native Linux window with SCAR in Wine.

Wow, this looks amazing! Can't wait! Great job!

~Camo

Woow :O
:drool:

From: mastaraymond

However, my reason to participate in this project is to educate the people who are interested, although a great deal is also just having fun, learning new stuff.

I cant wait for the source for this reason^^^

So this was the surprise you were talking about on irc :)
You have to admit i was close.

From: mastaraymond
There ya go; A scriptable color bot, just like SCAR.

So… the SRL scripts we have now, work on SIMBA? Or is it a whole newer Syntax?

BTW this is amazing. Open Source is always the way to go! But what about SCAR luna?

From: kingarabian
So… the SRL scripts we have now, work on SIMBA? Or is it a whole newer Syntax?

BTW this is amazing. Open Source is always the way to go! But what about SCAR luna?

There is no reason people can't still choose to use Scar..

This is just an alternative, whether you favor it or not.

Cool.

/me may start helping now.

Finally. I like this much better than constant nagging about the direction of SCAR. The thing that really interests me is the multilanguage-binding-thing. Not that i would end up using it, but it could be nice to practice…doing the same thing in different languages and working up from there seems like nift. I just dont see how the different things in each language would all mesh together to still work under the same roof. Like C++ and pascal and Whitespace dont seem like they would work together.

From: mastaraymond
That's up to the SRL community.. I cannot look into the future ;)

Let us ask the almighty Wizzup, as he can.

From: Nava2
SRL is separate. SRL is RuneScape things. Where MML contains all the finding functions etc. So, things like DTMs, Bitmaps, colours, and all that jazz is part of the MML.

SRL will still function the same way! :)

Will SRL become two entities, must it choose a direction, or are Simba and Scar so closely related that SRL will remain the same?

That's if I understand what you're saying correctly.

From: kingarabian
But what about SCAR luna?

SCAR Luna 3.50 will be there for you when you need it. If SRL decides to go on without SCAR, then so be it, but I will not quit developing SCAR either way.

From what I understand now SRL 5 will be at least initially developed for Simba, although porting it to SCAR is a matter of doing some Replace-Alls on a few function names.

Of course since Simba is open-source, I wouldn't be surprised if it got some radically new ideas from random people that SCAR wouldn't have for awhile :)

Ah this is for sure something major, but look at it this way: Other communities are just waay to ahead of us…

From: Freddy1990
SCAR Luna 3.50 will be there for you when you need it. If SRL decides to go on without SCAR, then so be it, but I will not quit developing SCAR either way.

Thats how we are looking at it too :)

I don't see this replacing SCAR anytime in the near future, although maybe some day years from now it will be all we have, and at that time it will have been around long enough to be dependable.

IMO until then it looks like a fun tool, used for random things/ education purposes… maybe a few specially made scripts or two.. but nothing more.

One step closer to losing freddy!

From: MylesMadness
One step closer to losing freddy!

Unnecessary.

Please don't bring that argument to this thread.

From: MylesMadness
One step closer to losing freddy!

Man, you still gotta respect Freddy. Remember if it wasn't for him, SRL wouldnt be this far…

Woot, nice to see someone taking an active stand to put out something open source. I'll definitely give it a try.

Java support or gtfo.

Jk, good, but for real get some java support in this sucker. :D

Was this the reason for the recent avatar change?

I think it was.

IceFire, SRL5 will be for Simba.

From: Nava2
IceFire, SRL5 will be for Simba.

:(.

(I love Nava2). Far out!

From: Nava2
IceFire, SRL5 will be for Simba.

Is SRL5 going to be something extra special or should I expect just the most recent version of SRL4 converted to Simba?

From: Town
Is SRL5 going to be something extra special or should I expect just the most recent version of SRL4 converted to Simba?

It's going to be different, some will be similar, but a lot of change will be occurring don't you worry one bit.


I love you too Ruroken :)

From: IceFire908
:(.

Eh, from what I understand it shouldn't be that difficult to port SRL5 from Simba to SCAR.

Anyway, I see great things in the future for both SCAR and Simba.

Looks good

Who will it be?

hehe.

From: NiCbaZ
Who will it be?

hehe.

What the heck. I didn't even notice that connection 0_o

Anyways, this sounds very interesting. It may make me "return" for a bit XD

From: NiCbaZ
Who will it be?

hehe.

Simba.

From: kingarabian
Man, you still gotta respect Freddy. Remember if it wasn't for him, SRL wouldnt be this far…

This far? What, stuck way behind rsbot and nexus and no one person even cares? This will be the best thing that will happen to SRL

From: MylesMadness
This far? What, stuck way behind rsbot and nexus and no one person even cares? This will be the best thing that will happen to SRL

Do you excrete ignorance or does it just build up?

From: Town
Do you excrete ignorance or does it just build up?

What, do you honestly think color is better when it comes to speed and accuracy? I've said it before, this place is like my grandma who doesn't want a computer, she wants to remain writing her snailmail letters, when we all know her life would be easier with a computer.

If you don't like it, go to another community or form your own.

From: mixster
If you don't like it, go to another community or form your own.

I don't script or macro or anything, I'm just preaching the facts.

You are preaching no facts, only opinions. Reflection isn't what SRL is about as much as your grandma isn't about computers. This community can not survive as a reflection community and even if it could, I doubt it would because what makes SRL unique is it's always the underdog that challenges the Java bot.

From: MylesMadness
I don't script or macro or anything, I'm just preaching the facts.

You disagree with the basis of this community. I hope you realize you are not wanted, if I can speak on behalf of everyone else.

From: Town
You disagree with the basis of this community. I hope you realize you are not wanted, if I can speak on behalf of everyone else.

You don't think I realized after being here for over 2 years that scar uses color? Again, im saying the facts that color is slow and harder. If you enjoy that all the power to you

Simba is not the end of color Myles…

From: mormonman
Simba is not the end of color Myles…

Its a step in the right direction. With it being open source reflection can be added easier.

From: MylesMadness
Its a step in the right direction. With it being open source reflection can be added easier.

Umm SCAR wasn't the factor there… that was SMART and it is still closed source I believe.

From: mormonman
Umm SCAR wasn't the factor there… that was SMART and it is still closed source I believe.

It could have been added both ways, with both being closed source we had to wait. Now that we have this we can add it into simba.

From: MylesMadness
It could have been added both ways, with both being closed source we had to wait. Now that we have this we can add it into simba.

You could have made your own reflection plugin, but you didn't. So why would simba make it any different? You still won't make it. What you want is someone else to make a reflection side of simba and make it open source, and I say good luck with that.

From: mormonman
You could have made your own reflection plugin, but you didn't. So why would simba make it any different? You still won't make it. What you want is someone else to make a reflection side of simba and make it open source, and I say good luck with that.

Why support a currently buggy program?

From: MylesMadness
Why support a currently buggy program?

You think simba isn't buggy?

From: mormonman
You think simba isn't buggy?

Do you think it will be in a couple months?

From: MylesMadness
Do you think it will be in a couple months?

Probably a little bit. I like the simba idea, I just don't like you bagging on scar and freddy. It's just dumb, and honestly kind of childish.

I think it's funny how we are arguing, we really shouldn't be. SRL wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for SCAR, which thanks goes to Freddy for still developing it. Simba is just another advancement for SRL.

Myles, you say that SCAR is way behind other communities, and yes that is true, but Freddy works hard. You obviously can't be patient or think of the fact that he has more to do than just developing SCAR. If it's too far behind for you then make your own?

From what I understand from this is, that SMART works with Simba but it's still going to be closed source. And even if SMART is closed source, it works and you really can't complain about it. Again, if you don't like it then make your own.

I think the only thing that needs to be discussed is how awesome this will be, and congratulations for the people working on it. That's my two cents.

~Camo

From: Camo Developer
I think it's funny how we are arguing, we really shouldn't be. SRL wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for SCAR, which thanks goes to Freddy for still developing it. Simba is just another advancement for SRL.

Myles, you say that SCAR is way behind other communities, and yes that is true, but Freddy works hard. You obviously can't be patient or think of the fact that he has more to do than just developing SCAR. If it's too far behind for you then make your own?

From what I understand from this is, that SMART works with Simba but it's still going to be closed source. And even if SMART is closed source, it works and you really can't complain about it. Again, if you don't like it then make your own.

I think the only thing that needs to be discussed is how awesome this will be, and congratulations for the people working on it. That's my two cents.

~Camo

Exactly. <3 you!

I think you guys will find that there are many people who agree with what Myles is saying, they just choose not to say it.

From: Griff721
I think you guys will find that there are many people who agree with what Myles is saying, they just choose not to say it.

Yes.

But, it's still a little far fetched… reflection is broken and people are trying to fix it, so how does that make us gramda who won't switch from snail mail? It's more like grandma is having trouble using her new computer, not accepting it.

Well the same can go to them as well, if they really don't like it then they can do something about it. Not trying to sound rude or anything, but that's just how it works.

[offtopic]mormonman, your promising newcomer is pushing a present instead of a boulder :p just noticed it[/offtopic]

~Camo

From: Camo Developer
I think it's funny how we are arguing, we really shouldn't be. SRL wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for SCAR, which thanks goes to Freddy for still developing it. Simba is just another advancement for SRL.

Myles, you say that SCAR is way behind other communities, and yes that is true, but Freddy works hard. You obviously can't be patient or think of the fact that he has more to do than just developing SCAR. If it's too far behind for you then make your own?

From what I understand from this is, that SMART works with Simba but it's still going to be closed source. And even if SMART is closed source, it works and you really can't complain about it. Again, if you don't like it then make your own.

I think the only thing that needs to be discussed is how awesome this will be, and congratulations for the people working on it. That's my two cents.

~Camo

Why is that "make it yourself" card always has to come out? Alright, I don't have to talent to make scar or simba or smart. You happy? This started by me saying we were one step closer to losing freddy. Fact if we wanted to? Yes. Was I saying it in a "tone" that was dickish? Sure. Do I want freddy to leave. The new "SRL can't live without me" narcissistic Freddy yeah. The older freddy I want back.

Honestly, this little project is going to split the forum into two groups. SCAR and Simba. I like what you are doing, but i think you should have gone about it a different way.

From: MylesMadness
Why is that "make it yourself" card always has to come out? Alright, I don't have to talent to make scar or simba or smart. You happy?

Not happy, just want you to realize that you can't really complain with what you have if you can't make it better.

From: MylesMadness
This started by me saying we were one step closer to losing freddy. Fact if we wanted to? Yes. Was I saying it in a "tone" that was dickish? Sure. Do I want freddy to leave. The new "SRL can't live without me" narcissistic Freddy yeah. The older freddy I want back.

The thing is, it shouldn't have even been said. There's no problem with feeling that way but making it public is not good. He has done a lot for us, we should just be glad with what we have.

~Camo

Nice job guys.

If people continue to make scripts in the pascal script that is in the screenshots, then there wouldnt really be a divide between the community. They're essentially the same general thing. If they make Simba to radically different, then they lose backwards compatibility which everybody was freaking out about when Freddy changed the syntax of a few functions in SCAR. So logically from past precedent, SRL5 shouldnt be so different that they would lose mass backwards compatibility, which would then limit Simba in its ability to be different. Not that it really should be different. If it ends up being an opensource SCAR, then thats fine, and then thats great because it won't split the community.

MylesMadness - "why support a buggy program" "do you think it will be buggy in a few months?" - ermm…thats kind of the point of SCAR 3.5. But i doubt you'll make it for 3.5 now will you?

I'd like to comment on other things but i doubt many people will read this or respond to it, so thats it.

Many people wanted reflection and they made a reflection include, however it wasn't an SRL include but rather another one. As I said, SRL can't survive as a reflection community because we are an old folks home if we run with your peculiar example - most of us can't use computers and the couple that can aren't (for whatever their reasons may be).

Anyway, I disliked the idea of Freddy breaking backwards compatibility with 3.5 if he was only going to re-break everything again when 4 was released - it seemed a bit silly to have 3.5 as a step in between 3.2x and 4 if it was only going to be different and incompatible with both. But anyway, this isn't about Scar.

From: bionicle1800
Honestly, this little project is going to split the forum into two groups. SCAR and Simba. I like what you are doing, but i think you should have gone about it a different way.

I have my doubts. People are not `loyal' to a program, but to a community. SRL is a community. If SRL decides to go with Simba; I don't think many people will use SCAR just for the sake of using it, especially if SRL may no longer be compatible.

I understand where Myles is coming from, although I disagree with the way he put it.

As I have stated in my first post. This will hopefully be easily maintainable, and you won't have to wait weeks on that one developer. There are others, and if they are busy too, you can fix it yourself.

ManFlardin, SRL 5 will not be fully backwards compatible. There are very few working scripts at the moment, and changing a few things in an active script isn't hard either.

From: Dan Cardin
If people continue to make scripts in the pascal script that is in the screenshots, then there wouldnt really be a divide between the community. They're essentially the same general thing. If they make Simba to radically different, then they lose backwards compatibility which everybody was freaking out about when Freddy changed the syntax of a few functions in SCAR. So logically from past precedent, SRL5 shouldnt be so different that they would lose mass backwards compatibility, which would then limit Simba in its ability to be different. Not that it really should be different. If it ends up being an opensource SCAR, then thats fine, and then thats great because it won't split the community.

MylesMadness - "why support a buggy program" "do you think it will be buggy in a few months?" - ermm…thats kind of the point of SCAR 3.5. But i doubt you'll make it for 3.5 now will you?

I'd like to comment on other things but i doubt many people will read this or respond to it, so thats it.

SRL 5 will be made specifically for Simba, although it is very similar to scar in terms of syntax and so on.

On backwards compatability, we will not be trying to make it compatible to SRL 4 although we are aiming to make a smooth change. Scripts will break with SRL 4 -> 5 just like they broke from SRL 3 -> 4.

Also, SRL will be for Simba where the function names are/might be different and have different parameters.

~RM

I still think this is a great idea, good advancement for SRL. Keep up the good work (For all who's working on it).

~Camo

s/Simba/oscar/

Very nice job! +1 for WIN posts :p(only smiley ): )

From: bionicle1800
Honestly, this little project is going to split the forum into two groups. SCAR and Simba. I like what you are doing, but i think you should have gone about it a different way.

I do not think this will happen. Sure there will be some who will want to use scar but I don't think there will be much. Why? Because people mainly come here from runescape and not from scar. They mainly come here to auto in runescape and not to write cool non-rs scripts in scar. And when they come here from rs they download scar directed from here. Yes they are mainly leechers and most of them will remain that but some of them will be interested in learning so on and so on. So if SRL will be for Simba they will download that, not much of a change(in their views).

And I do not want to continue the arguing(I have my own opinions, don't worry) so I just say I respect Freddy and scar but I would like to use Simba instead of that in the future for scripting.

EDIT: Of course just my view.

I <3 Freddy.


Don't hate on SCAR babiezzz.

From: Griff721
I think you guys will find that there are many people who agree with what Myles is saying, they just choose not to say it.

I agree where Myles is going to, alot of us REALLY want reflection back, but Freddy sure did alot for us and the way Myles put it was a bit unnecessary.

From: IceFire908
Yes.

But, it's still a little far fetched… reflection is broken and people are trying to fix it, so how does that make us gramda who won't switch from snail mail? It's more like grandma is having trouble using her new computer, not accepting it.

Im talking about the color only elitists who refuse to use reflection because its easy. Email is easier then writing.

It could also be because this is a colour based community. I haven't seen anyone say they don't want reflection, only that they don't want SRL to focus on it. People have always been free to develop the reflection side and they did - what more do you want?

From: mixster
It could also be because this is a colour based community. I haven't seen anyone say they don't want reflection, only that they don't want SRL to focus on it. People have always been free to develop the reflection side and they did - what more do you want?

When reflection came to be, people were in there sigs and in threads just saying that reflection makes life to easy so they wont use it.

So? You weren't prevented from using it because of that. You're basically complaining that people don't think the same way as you, which is really stupid indeed.

From: mixster
So? You weren't prevented from using it because of that. You're basically complaining that people don't think the same way as you, which is really stupid indeed.

Whats stupid is that people cant see the present. The present isn't color, its reflection. Why would you use something slower and harder to use

From: MylesMadness
Whats stupid is that people cant see the present. The present isn't color, its reflection. Why would you use something slower and harder to use

Practicing concepts, learning, rather than the picking of particular codes for repetitive use.

From: MylesMadness
Whats stupid is that people cant see the present. The present isn't color, its reflection. Why would you use something slower and harder to use

Because reflection doesn't work. There's a handful who know what they are doing because reflection isn't just using reflection, it's also producing the hooks for it. Using it is easier, but taking about the client to get the hooks isn't and if it was super easy, then it would probably be different. Imagine if SRL had gone fully behind reflection - do you honestly think the community would still be here after over a month of being unable to macro at all?

From: MylesMadness
Im talking about the color only elitists who refuse to use reflection because its easy. Email is easier then writing.

I think this description fits me, so I'll jump in here…

My personal belief is, I get a good sense of security knowing that I am not having to "Open Up" the RS Client when macroing…..I have heard the arguments, on how safe it is, but I believe, if you simply don't do it, then you are taking that out of the equation, and that is one less thing to potentially be banned for….

If you wish to use other methods, I.E. Reflection, no one is stopping you, just know, that this community is based off of "Color Finding Routines", and devolping these functions, will always be priority, there is already a section set aside for devolping this… Reflection Tutorials , so I would say there is no basis in arguing that it isn't accepted, nor embraced, because it obviously is by some.(I have done work in the past gathering location Information on all Current Active Randoms via Reflection(KYAB), so it's not that I am against using it, just prefer not to).Even if it was working :p

I agree , with Simba being Open Sourced, expect to see some new Radical Ideas !!!

Mylesmadness, please stop hijacking this thread for your dumb opinions.

Congratz on simba guys!

From: mixster
do you honestly think the community would still be here after over a month of being unable to macro at all?

rsbot did ;)

Guys, this thread is full of lulz.

Is there a plugin framework for simba?

From: lordsaturn
Is there a plugin framework for simba?

Yes.

[OFFTOPIC!]

From: MylesMadness
rsbot did ;)

So, who's stopping you from moving to RSBot's community? Nobody. If you aint happy here, get out…

Both ways of cheating have their cons and pros… Only stupid people don't get it how smart it actually is to use color-based macros. ..+these macros work for other games too, does RSBot or NeXus work? Nope, not a chance. And how about this, can you make anything else with em (useful/non-useful [utilities, games, etc.])? No? If RuneScape ever goes down (it's not gonna happen anytime soon, I know! Just an example - and yes, I also know this community is mostly based on cheating in RuneScape.) those bots are more than useless JUNK after it.

These universal color-based macros can be used for other games. Meaning these will have a looooooong, loooooooooooooong "life" (have had already!). I mean, just look at how many bots have died while SCAR, as an example, has survived for this long (and it keeps going strong). I am fairly sure SIMBA will last almost "forever", now that it's gonna be Open Source - as it certainly will get a nice support by community for it, much better than SCAR has ever had, with a single developer around it… & no, I have nothing at all against Freddy with these comments (my personal opinions)… I am very happy for everything he has done for SCAR, but I just must admit there could have been more updates within all these years for it.. Yes, a lot has been added by him (Freddy) for it, but with a "team" of developers, or like in SIMBA - community!, there would have been much more added in it. +bugs would have been tracked down and fixed waaaaay faster. Anyhow, I hope a great success for both, SIMBA and newer SCAR's (3.50, 4.0, x).
[/OFFTOPIC!]

[ONTOPIC.]
Just curious, so some questions, to current developers - before the source is gonna be out for the community:

-is anykind of multithreading capabilities planned for it?
-can scripts be compiled?
-support to forms and canvases?
-will it be _universal_ color macro? (Meaning, it's not targetted only around RuneScape..)
-support for includes?
-built-in update system? Not like in SCAR, where everytime there is an update, you gotta reload the program (+ uninstall and install again).

Thanks,

-Jani

I SO hope SIMBA's gonna turn out as an really successful scriptable color-macroing tool! So far, I have no doubt why it wouldn't! :) Keep up the good work guys.
[/ONTOPIC.]

From: Janilabo
[OFFTOPIC!]
So, who's stopping you from moving to RSBot's community? Nobody. If you aint happy here, get out…

Both ways of cheating have their cons and pros… Only stupid people don't get it how smart it actually is to use color-based macros. ..+these macros work for other games too, does RSBot or NeXus work? Nope, not a chance. And how about this, can you make anything else with em (useful/non-useful [utilities, games, etc.])? No? If RuneScape ever goes down (it's not gonna happen anytime soon, I know! Just an example - and yes, I also know this community is mostly based on cheating in RuneScape.) those bots are more than useless JUNK after it.

These universal color-based macros can be used for other games. Meaning these will have a looooooong, loooooooooooooong "life" (have had already!). I mean, just look at how many bots have died while SCAR, as an example, has survived for this long (and it keeps going strong). I am fairly sure SIMBA will last almost "forever", now that it's gonna be Open Source - as it certainly will get a nice support by community for it, much better than SCAR has ever had, with a single developer around it… & no, I have nothing at all against Freddy with these comments (my personal opinions)… I am very happy for everything he has done for SCAR, but I just must admit there could have been more updates within all these years for it.. Yes, a lot has been added by him (Freddy) for it, but with a "team" of developers, or like in SIMBA - community!, there would have been much more added in it. +bugs would have been tracked down and fixed waaaaay faster. Anyhow, I hope a great success for both, SIMBA and newer SCAR's (3.50, 4.0, x).
[/OFFTOPIC!]

[ONTOPIC.]
Just curious, so some questions, to current developers - before the source is gonna be out for the community:

-is anykind of multithreading capabilities planned for it?
-can scripts be compiled?
-support to forms and canvases?
-will it be _universal_ color macro? (Meaning, it's not targetted only around RuneScape..)
-support for includes?
-built-in update system? Not like in SCAR, where everytime there is an update, you gotta reload the program (+ uninstall and install again).

Thanks,

-Jani

I SO hope SIMBA's gonna turn out as an really successful scriptable color-macroing tool! So far, I have no doubt why it wouldn't! :) Keep up the good work guys.
[/ONTOPIC.]

I'll answer to your list with a list of my own. :)

• You can run one script per tab, so in a way, the application is already multithreaded. If you mean by actually multithreading a color find to make it faster, no. That is not implemented. I don't know of any active plans to do so, either. It would be quite an overhead too. If you mean allowing your own script to use multiple threads - the answer is "partially"; see the next point.
• Yes, you will be able to compile scripts to .exe's, with a bit more work. This will give you the power to use the MML + every single Free Pascal/Lazarus component out there, including threading, and cool forms.
• There is some form support. Currently PascalScript stills needs some work to function 100% correctly, and this also affects form support.
• Yes, but it will also include some runescape specific functions. Although we could easily put that into a module or plugin of some kind.
• Yes. Includes are supported.
• Yes. There will be an (auto) updater. It is unavoidable that you have to restart the program (unless there is only a font or similar update), but I don't see why you would have to reinstall it.

Some other general notes I'd like to make… Regarding Pascal Script… It works quite well on Windows, but it really needs some work on Linux. The maintainer of the product is aware of this, but I don't see him fixing this anytime soon. PascalScript isn't a trivial product, so chances are it won't be easily fixed. This is for 32 bit (which will also run on 64 bit OS'es).

There is a lot more functionality currently in MML than you all may expect. We've mainly been adding stuff to Simba lately.

I hope to set up a forum soon for testers, and other interested parties. I've been a bit busy the last few days, and haven't had much time to arrange stuff.

Oh, by the way… I personally call it "Simba" and not "SIMBA"; but both names are fine I guess. :D

From: Wizzup
There is a lot more functionality currently in MML than you all may expect. We've mainly been adding stuff to Simba lately.

I hope to set up a forum soon for testers, and other interested parties. I've been a bit busy the last few days, and haven't had much time to arrange stuff.

Oh, by the way… I personally call it "Simba" and not "SIMBA"; but both names are fine I guess. :D

Does that first statement imply that Simba as a viable macroing option in the near future is unlikely? I didn't originally know what to expect as I haven't known how long it has been in development. I'm not sure where I should be raising my expectations from, though I'm sure I'll see for myself soon enough.

And no acronym, then? That's a let down.

From: Town
Does that first statement imply that Simba as a viable macroing option in the near future is unlikely? I didn't originally know what to expect as I haven't known how long it has been in development. I'm not sure where I should be raising my expectations from, though I'm sure I'll see for myself soon enough.

And no acronym, then? That's a let down.

It depends what you call near. I can't exactly say *how* soon, but I have already run some silly little things with it. It just has some kinks to work out. Hence why this post was made. Its not *too* far off, but again, I'm not the best person to reply on that one.

Nope, its the lion :D

Daddy is the library, son in the Front-end.

From: Town
Does that first statement imply that Simba as a viable macroing option in the near future is unlikely? I didn't originally know what to expect as I haven't known how long it has been in development. I'm not sure where I should be raising my expectations from, though I'm sure I'll see for myself soon enough.

And no acronym, then? That's a let down.

The first statement implies that we actually have more functionality implemented than most have expected. So this means it is a viable option in the near future. I do guess that it will take at least a few weeks from now before we can provide a binary to the public which would be stable enough for the average everyday macro task. (Which is why we need testers)

No acronym? Well, I've been pondering about some… The name has always been a point of discussion, but for now we just call it Simba. SIMBA is fine too, but I don't think anyone has come up with a suitable acronym just yet, although I'm personally hoping on a recursive one. :)

What languages will we be able to bind? Also, if you need testers, I'd wouldn't mind helping.

~Camo

It really looks great, keep up the good work. If you ever need another tester, I wouldn't mind. ^.^

From: Wizzup?

No acronym? Well, I've been pondering about some… The name has always been a point of discussion, but for now we just call it Simba. SIMBA is fine too, but I don't think anyone has come up with a suitable acronym just yet, although I'm personally hoping on a recursive one. :)

Simba Is My Best Asset?

XD

EDIT: Or Ally?

SCAR will and always be #1 Rs macro program for me.
I'll probably use Simba for stuff like clubpenguin:redface:

In case I didn't mention it before, I'd be willing to help test.

From: Main_Ftw
SCAR will and always be #1 Rs macro program for me.
I'll probably use Simba for stuff like clubpenguin:redface:

Even when its not working, like atm?

From: The Claw
Even when its not working, like atm?

SCAR is running perfectly for me?

From: IceFire908
SCAR is running perfectly for me?

Uptext and constant errors

You changed the name from Mufasa to Simba? =\

Same family i guess :p

Well, after many months of working on it and keeping the development closed-source. All i can say is congratulations and thanks :)

interesting haha

From: The Claw
Uptext and constant errors

Uptext is working better than ever?

constant errors? they all go away if you know what you're doing.

Sexy….

E: I'm ready to help, if you need testers….

From: IceFire908
constant errors? they all go away if you know what you're doing.

I've been watching WT-Fakawi script, and I've looked at his code, and trust me, he isn't using SCAR any different than 2.03, yet this one often randomly errors. First run, script works. You stop it, start it again, boom.

It seems kinda off topic though.

[QUOTE=Dan's The Man;670226]You changed the name from Mufasa to Simba? =\

Same family i guess :p

Well, after many months of working on it and keeping the development closed-source. All i can say is congratulations and thanks :)[/QUOTE]

Simba is GUI, M(ufasa)ML is the back-end silly!

From: IceFire908
SCAR is running perfectly for me?

[QUOTE=Dan's The Man;670226]You changed the name from Mufasa to Simba? =\

Same family i guess :p

Well, after many months of working on it and keeping the development closed-source. All i can say is congratulations and thanks :)[/QUOTE]

The Library is still Mufasa, the name of the front end is now Simba. Dw, Mufasa is still king.

I was bored so I tried to come up with some acronyms for Simba. Here they are

Scars Intensly Moddified Botting Application
Smart Input Manager Bundle Application
Synthetic Intelligent Mastermind Behind All
Search Images Mainly By Appearance
Set Identifications {and} Measurements {for} Botting Algorithms

~Camo

Simba Integrated Macro Building Application?

SCAR's Intense Minature Buddy Application

Silly Inchworm Munches on Brown Apples?

From: Camo Developer
Search Images Mainly By Appearance

Lol did you google SIMBA or acronym creator or something for that one? :P "Search Images By Appearance" is used as SIMBA

Simba Is Mufasa's Baby After-all!

Scriptable Input for Macros, Bots, and Automation. (eh, boring but whatever, since it's the scriptable input for Mufasa)

This is awesome guys! I can't wait to see it released!

From: Main_Ftw
SCAR will and always be #1 Rs macro program for me.
I'll probably use Simba for stuff like clubpenguin:redface:

The way I understand it. Once SRL 5 comes out it will only be compatible with SIMBA. So if you are wanting to use SCAR as your '#1 RS Macro Program' you will have to maintain your own include to be compatible with SCAR.

Correct me if I am wrong…

From: mixster
Simba is GUI, M(ufasa)ML is the back-end silly!

Right, thanks :)

From: HyperSecret
This is awesome guys! I can't wait to see it released!



The way I understand it. Once SRL 5 comes out it will only be compatible with SIMBA. So if you are wanting to use SCAR as your '#1 RS Macro Program' you will have to maintain your own include to be compatible with SCAR.

Correct me if I am wrong…

Yes, but it's mostly renaming functions to "convert" it since Simba will try to be more structured in the naming (at least from what I've been hearing, it's not certain yet). At least for now, the SMART is identical to SCAR's (although we have a Linux library for it :))

From: Widget
Yes, but it's mostly renaming functions to "convert" it since Simba will try to be more structured in the naming (at least from what I've been hearing, it's not certain yet). At least for now, the SMART is identical to SCAR's (although we have a Linux library for it :))

At least for now, then, SMART will be buggy and unreliable? As well, does that mean it will continue to be compatible with Scar as well as Simba?

From: Town
At least for now, then, SMART will be buggy and unreliable? As well, does that mean it will continue to be compatible with Scar as well as Simba?

SMART works great, it actually works much better and faster than the old version.

I don't know if they are compatible or not.

Alright, I was just checking the intention of the word "identical".

From: Zyt3x
Lol did you google SIMBA or acronym creator or something for that one? :P "Search Images By Appearance" is used as SIMBA

Haha yeah, but then I decided not to be lazy and come up with my own :p

~Camo

Firstly I must say Wow, Looks and seems very nice.

Secondly Simba? lol sounds to odd and weird, if people dont know what Simba the program is they will be like "wtf wrong with you".

Although when its completely done, 99% bug free. Its going to be the best Macro tool IMO.

Good job :)

EDIT**
OHh major question, Will Simba have a Form Editor!

From: Camo Developer
Haha yeah, but then I decided not to be lazy and come up with my own :p

~Camo

lol xD I too tried that ;)
I liked your cowbell avatar better btw… :/

From: BobboHobbo
EDIT**
OHh major question, Will Simba have a Form Editor!

We aren't sure. It does support forms to an extent, but we try to stay away from them as much as possible. Forms are about the only thing that can easily crash the app. (Just like you can easily crash SCAR with forms)

If you want to do some real form stuff, I suggest you code in Free Pascal (with Lazarus).
Adding an entire Form Editor would be overkill, and a bitch to make. (AFAIK Kaitnieks never paid for it either, he just used one.)

From: Wizzup?
We aren't sure. It does support forms to an extent, but we try to stay away from them as much as possible. Forms are about the only thing that can easily crash the app. (Just like you can easily crash SCAR with forms)

If you want to do some real form stuff, I suggest you code in Free Pascal (with Lazarus).
Adding an entire Form Editor would be overkill, and a bitch to make. (AFAIK Kaitnieks never paid for it either, he just used one.)

We could implement Lazarus' form editor (it's free after all!). However that would be lots of work to implement, so I might just suggest to avoid forms or create one with Delphi/Lazarus form editor.

OMG :) are you guys making a new community or something for this bot ? If your planning to.. let us know ^^

From: Matsetst
OMG :) are you guys making a new community or something for this bot ? If your planning to.. let us know ^^

I don't think its going to be a new community, because villavu is tied to SRL, not SCAR.
Correct me if I'm wrong tho :p

From: bionicle1800
I don't think its going to be a new community, because villavu is tied to SRL, not SCAR.
Correct me if I'm wrong tho :p

Well it will make more sense to me if they're starting a new community

No new community is being started.

From: Matsetst
Well it will make more sense to me if they're starting a new community

Why? Everything will stay the same, just a new program to script in.

From: Zyt3x
lol xD I too tried that ;)
I liked your cowbell avatar better btw… :/

I got tired of it :( Wanted something else :)

Also, I think forms are not that important. I mean, they make your script look cool and all but it just adds so much code. To me, filling in a DeclarePlayers is fine with me :p

~Camo

Hey guys, long time no see.
I'm asking myself, why not port it to a low-level language like C!!
It would be very powerful.

Is this correct. When you use the Find option and search say DTM it will show every function/procedure that has something to do with DTM and will show the procedure/function when you click it?

If true does it search into the MML aswell or just the funcs/procs built into Simba?

From: BobboHobbo
Is this correct. When you use the Find option and search say DTM it will show every function/procedure that has something to do with DTM and will show the procedure/function when you click it?

If true does it search into the MML aswell or just the funcs/procs built into Simba?

It doesn't at the moment, but we will make it do that. The issue is the naming.

Simba doesn't have any functions! Its all the MML :)

So I get to beta test, since after all, I am one of the few hard core Windows fags, right?

From: mastaraymond
We could implement Lazarus' form editor (it's free after all!). However that would be lots of work to implement, so I might just suggest to avoid forms or create one with Delphi/Lazarus form editor.

forever?

and assuming form editor wont happen, which i dont particularly care about, Wizzup mentioned forms not being completely supported. I hope this wont be permanent as yes, forms can crash SCAR, but i cant really think of any (minus .5 instance) instances where if one's code is correct, the form will crash.


SCAR Is My Bad Aunt
Simba Is Muy Bueno Aqui
SCAR's Illegitimate Break Away
SCAR Itches, Meanwhile (B)Simba Waves Ahoy!
Simba: Intelligent, Multifunctional, Bad-ass Automation

From: Nava2
It doesn't at the moment, but we will make it do that. The issue is the naming.

Simba doesn't have any functions! Its all the MML :)

Oh really. Thats heaps cool, thanks for telling me that :)

Simply Intelligent Macroing By Automation

I don't even see the point of an acronym. SCAR is an acronym because SCAR itself doesn't really mean anything, whilst Simba alone means something anyways, no need for acronym.

Maybe… But it's always fun to make a nice competition_->_cup?!

From: Floor66
Maybe… But it's always fun to make a nice competition_->_cup?!

In your dreams. Competition cups are supposed to actually MEAN SOMETHING and be a reward for AN ACCOMPLISHMENT!

:p but i r want 2 wiN!

I was just bored and came up with some :p I can't wait till this is ready! Any word on a beta date range?

~Camo

Silly Imbeciles Making Bad Acronyms.

From: mixster
Silly Imbeciles Making Bad Acronyms.

Haha, now that was funny. I say we use it :D

~Camo

Omg omg, lemme test it nao!!

Simba Interprets Magnificent Botting Advancements.

From: YoHoJo
I don't even see the point of an acronym. SCAR is an acronym because SCAR itself doesn't really mean anything, whilst Simba alone means something anyways, no need for acronym.

SCAR means Shit Compared to Auto Rune no ?

Sima Improves Macroing (and) Botting Asweknowit/Alot.

Still Improvising More Bad Acronyms

Super Illegal Macroing Badass Application

From: Floor66
Super Illegal Macroing Badass Application

Super Intense Macroing Badass Application

I like this 1^

From: Dr D. Dervish
SCAR means Shit Compared to Auto Rune no ?

Yeah it does. Whats you're point? (Not trying to sound rude)

Just found this link, and edited N1kes 1st post so hopefully more people will also….

Unofficial official what does Simba stand for thread

I wonder how long this is away ?

From: NiCbaZ
I wonder how long this is away ?

Oh, we all live busy lives. (Ray and I do anyway)
Considering it was vacation when we worked heaps on it, but we have less time to work on it now. There's still a lot of development being done, but creating the forum on SRL + setting up the bugtracker etc also takes some time… Expect it within a few days from now. (For testers that is)

From: YoHoJo
Yeah it does. Whats you're point? (Not trying to sound rude)

I reread your post, thought you said SCAR didn't mean anything.

From: Wizzup?
Expect it within a few days from now. (For testers that is)

/me is happier now.

From: Tickyy
/me is happier now.

Raymond and I set a deadline for a beta release for testers: this weekend. Let's hope we can make it. :)

From: Wizzup?
Raymond and I set a deadline for a beta release for testers: this weekend. Let's hope we can make it. :)

Woo nice.

From: Wizzup?
Raymond and I set a deadline for a beta release for testers: this weekend. Let's hope we can make it. :)

I can't describe how exited I am! :D
Let's hope this doesn't turn out like the deadline for the new and improved SRL Stat system ;)

From: Zyt3x
I can't describe how exited I am! :D
Let's hope this doesn't turn out like the deadline for the new and improved SRL Stat system ;)

One of the reasons that halted for some time is because I was (secretly) working on this. :)

From: Wizzup?
One of the reasons that halted for some time is because I was (secretly) working on this. :)

Sneaky…

From: Wizzup?
One of the reasons that halted for some time is because I was (secretly) working on this. :)

I figured :p

When will form support be added (if it isn't already)?

From: Zyt3x
I figured :p

When will form support be added (if it isn't already)?

Probably never, forms are fully supported in the form of plugins though. It actually gives more functionality than PS forms ever could.

Well, technically they work, but only on Windows and aren't a very good idea because of that :p

This looks awesome

Hey wizzup will includes be easy to create, since you said OOP will not be possible in the script itself?

From: Feroc1ty
Hey wizzup will includes be easy to create, since you said OOP will not be possible in the script itself?

Includes behave the same way, bit different including but no, no OOP as of yet.

We can export OOP into PS, but can't write in it.

WOolwoowlwowowlowowl
/me needs date release :3
Good luck devs! Lets hope its out before sunday.

:O it's getting close :D

~Camo

Saturday or Sunday :D!

From: Zyt3x
I figured :p

When will form support be added (if it isn't already)?

Form support can be added to whatever Operating System and Architecture once Pascal Script works properly on that particular OS / Arch. Currently, it only really works on Windows/x86, and all the other operating systems are buggy. Forms however, are (at least to me) of no real priority.

From: kingarabian
Saturday or Sunday :D!

Yeah, but it is really only a testers release, so it won't be suited for the general public.

Created forum, and gave everyone who wanted to test access to it. If you don't have access, but still want to test, PM me. If you wanted to test, but you haven't been added, I probably missed it. Please PM or post here.

(Let's call it a pre-alpha testers release)

I'm a bit confused.. Is it Simba or Mufasa?

From: Zyt3x
I'm a bit confused.. Is it Simba or Mufasa?

Simba is the program itself, MML is the library behind it.

I'd like to test if possible.

~Camo

Will this have the same functions as scar? like post- and gethttp?
It looks neat, nice overview, is it meant to be some sort of fusion between SRL and SCAR?

From: Cartmann
Will this have the same functions as scar? like post- and gethttp?
It looks neat, nice overview, is it meant to be some sort of fusion between SRL and SCAR?

In theory it would be possible to fuse SRL and Simba, but I don't think it is a good idea, since the code will then not be maintainable for people without compilers.

Is there a date or a 'deadline' when its completed for the public. Or is it for you guys just try and error to get it working. Im sorry if this answer already is answered :)

From: Matsetst
Is there a date or a 'deadline' when its completed for the public. Or is it for you guys just try and error to get it working. Im sorry if this answer already is answered :)

I think the only deadline is "whenever most/all of the program stopping bugs are ironed out", but I might be wrong.

From: Matsetst
Is there a date or a 'deadline' when its completed for the public. Or is it for you guys just try and error to get it working. Im sorry if this answer already is answered :)

Currently there is a lot of testing (and solving…;)) being done already. Unfortunately most reported bugs are still GUI related. (Probably easier to test)
I hope the testing of the real `core' will start soon, as the GUI is maturing.

There are also finally some changes to Pascal Script, which fix some of the bugs on Linux, but it's still not stable enough to pass all my tests. So most core testing will be done on Windows.

I've been working on a bigger project in SCAR, this is to support a huge bot army, which i will control througe a website. Since it's all done with SCAR in mind, i want to know if this "script" / type of communication could course any problems in Simba.

http://pastebin.com/f6a83bbbd

The first few lines is the actual website talking with SCAR, the next lines is my main script.

I think that Simba won't be compatible with SCAR scripts. There's not a whole lot different as of now (Still in testing tho), so you should just be able to change what's needed.

~Camo

But there wont be any drastic things like a removal of GetHTTP or something like that?

Almost everything in SCAR is in Simba with more or less the same functioning just different names.

From: Cartmann
But there wont be any drastic things like a removal of GetHTTP or something like that?

That should still be in there, AFAIK GetHTTP is GetPage.

~Camo

From: Cartmann
I've been working on a bigger project in SCAR, this is to support a huge bot army, which i will control througe a website. http://pastebin.com/f6a83bbbd

Good Work Here ! Keep it up ! :thumbsup:

From: RAM
Good Work Here ! Keep it up ! :thumbsup:

Thanks Ram, allways nice when somebody likes what you're doing.

But just wait until you hear what i have in mind with that army ;)

This sounds good, Im down to test. Ill be one of the many linux testers. Did you create an open svn?

From: Ron
This sounds good, Im down to test. Ill be one of the many linux testers. Did you create an open svn?

Yes. I'll add you to the testers group. Any chance you'll be able to help developing?

From: Wizzup?
Yes. I'll add you to the testers group. Any chance you'll be able to help developing?

Sorry if I missed something, but is it going to be out for testers any time soon?

Edit: /face palm. Found the section. Sorry.

From: senrath
In case I didn't mention it before, I'd be willing to help test.

Added.

I wouldn't mind helping out by testing whenever I can. Is the syntax 100% the same or slightly different? (assuming it will be at least for the most part the same)

From: Baked0420
I wouldn't mind helping out by testing whenever I can. Is the syntax 100% the same or slightly different? (assuming it will be at least for the most part the same)

Added.
Syntax is the same, but not all methods are.

I wouldn't mind testing either, I have nothing better to do. ;)

From: Lancelot074
I wouldn't mind testing either, I have nothing better to do. ;)

Added.

Hmmmmm something's telling me a certain someone is supposed to make a certain thread about a certain 8000 things…

Meh, what the heck, I'll test

From: MylesMadness
Meh, what the heck, I'll test

Added.

i might as well help test. :D

From: Awkwardsaw
i might as well help test. :D

Added. ( Way to get post count… :p )

I think you should add that you need Lazarus to compile it. Since, IIRC, you said it used the default component for syntax highlighting which is in Lazarus (not Syntax Edit). :)

From: Wizzup?
Added. ( Way to get post count… :p )

sorry :p

but uh, how does i get it? :o

From: Awkwardsaw
sorry :p

but uh, how does i get it? :o

See the Sticky in the development section.

From: Wizzup?
See the Sticky in the development section.

i guess i need a pascal compiler, cant find the .exe :(

From: Awkwardsaw
i guess i need a pascal compiler, cant find the .exe :(

Of course, you need to compile it using FPC.

So, download Lazarus (a visual IDE using FPC) and then install the plugin Pascal Script.

;)

Open the project file in Lazarus then build it ;)

[QUOTE=Dan's The Man;680521]Of course, you need to compile it using FPC.

So, download [url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/lazarus/]Lazarus[/url] (a visual IDE using FPC) and then install the plugin [url=http://www.remobjects.com/ps.aspx]Pascal Script[/url].

;)

Open the project file in Lazarus then build it ;)[/QUOTE]

Binaries are provided as well.
Awkwardsaw: [url]http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52659[/url]

From: Wizzup?
Binaries are provided as well.
Awkwardsaw: http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52659

thank you :)

i should be set now, no moar nubby questions for a while :p

I wanna be part of it! XD

I'd love to test!

From: Smartzkid
I'd love to test!

From: ZaSz
I wanna be part of it! XD

Added both.

May i test Wizzup ?

~Home :)

From: Home
May i test Wizzup ?

~Home :)

Added.

might as well moi

From: Main_Ftw
might as well moi

Added.

Why not just add all members by default, it seems almost all want to try it :p

From: Smartzkid
Why not just add all members by default, it seems almost all want to try it :p

It seemed like an okay way to keep track of who actually wants to try it, but once it's a bit more feature complete and stable it will be opened up to everyone. We haven't really been too secretive with it. All the links etc are public, so it's more an symbolic matter I guess. Although I also don't want everyone to think it currently is a ready-to-go program, so it should be made a bit hard to get your hands on, for now.

From: Wizzup?
Added. ( Way to get post count… :p )

It's not like you just 20 posts from saying "Added." over and over or anything :rolleyes:

I'll test.

From: mormonman
I'll test.

Added.

Wizzup, I'd really like to test if possible.

Inb4"Added." :p
I will start making a script tomorrow

From: ReadySteadyGo
Wizzup, I'd really like to test if possible.

Added.

verrry interesting. i hope freddy doesnt get offended. so whats teh big diff between this and scar? plz dont answer with lion king jokes. besides teh dry humour i drl lion king in the first place -.-….
and whats wrong with scar? is this scar with srl built into it pretty much? or is it a bit more? perhaps user friendliness :D?

Currently, SCAR is pretty bugged..

[QUOTE=Camaro';681661]Currently, SCAR is pretty bugged..[/QUOTE]

But hes making SCAR Luna. or did everyone get tired of waiting. and could he just give us the source code? or does he not wanna do that? wait did he BUY it from kait? or just get it for free?

Freddy's still working on SCAR, and he's not going to give anyone else the source (no matter how many times people ask him to). But people wanted an open-source alternative, so that's what Simba is.

Awesome! I have a macbook if you need testers or something for the os x version

From: chitin
verrry interesting. i hope freddy doesnt get offended. so whats teh big diff between this and scar? plz dont answer with lion king jokes. besides teh dry humour i drl lion king in the first place -.-….
and whats wrong with scar? is this scar with srl built into it pretty much? or is it a bit more? perhaps user friendliness :D?

It doesn't matter if he is offended or not. He has nothing to do with this project.

Simba was started to provide a program that would provide a stable macroing base for SRL (and other projects) on all platforms. It is also a project to spread education, by providing the full source code of the programs to everyone. No hiding stuff from you guys, no secrets, no crap.

Simba still has a long road to go, but the future looks bright.

Id like to test also.

From: Frement
Id like to test also.

Added.

oh if you need testers i dont start school till spring or summer =D. got all the time in the world to help out anyway i can.

I'm just wondering if its completely wise to break away from SCAR. Especially since Luna is apparently on the way, if much of the reason for this is for stability as you seem to imply through the bold text, then there really wouldn't be a large difference between SCAR and Simba other than the open sourciness (and plug-ins that change the program, though i seem to remember Freddy saying that would be added in 4 or 3.5) because the point of Luna is stability. And since the majority of the community doesn't particularly care about it being open sourced (even if they say they do(since most will not look at the source(or if they do they won't properly look at it/wont compile it themselves.))), then it makes even less sense. I'm all for choices which means i accept the idea of Simba, but really Simba wouldn't be giving any choices. It would be simply switching from SCAR to Simba, and forcing all users into one group.

Has more to say, probably shouldn't until someone replies to this.

From: Dan Cardin
and forcing all users into one group.

i'm up with that. and having it open source isnt about compiling (well for some people it is.but not for others.)…sometimes people just want tohave something even though its almost no use to them. and being open source its crossplatform and can have almost any language put into it. unlike scar which is pretty much pascal. so more people will be able to contribute. SCAR on steroids.

afaik its no more cross platform than SCAR and it wouldnt make sense to put any other language in Simba, though they can indeed make mml a plugin though, which is useful in theory but i doubt that feature will be well used by the general populous either.

From: Dan Cardin
afaik its no more cross platform than SCAR and it wouldnt make sense to put any other language in Simba, though they can indeed make mml a plugin though, which is useful in theory but i doubt that feature will be well used by the general populous either.

SCAR itself can't be used on Linux/Mac OS X without wine/whatever. Simba can (apparently.. I dunno since I haven't tested it on my laptop which runs ubu, nor one of my many desktops that run XP/Vista/Win7..). And it says it's more "language-friendly" on the first post, but it doesn't really matter, does it? This community is based on the Pascal interpreter SCAR, so it's not like it'll be a big change to just open up the files with Simba.. And you can open .scar files with Simba as far as I know.

Sorry if that's totally irrelevant.. :p

Simba functions may or may not work the same as SCAR functions. Also may have different names.

No guarentees there.

I'd also like to point out that Simba is not alone, its the MML as well which *will* be able to be used in other languages to produce frontends and other color bots.

Simba is a big part, but also small part of the project.

Not to mention that the manual will be updated continually and actively maintained!

From: Dan Cardin
I'm just wondering if its completely wise to break away from SCAR. Especially since Luna is apparently on the way, if much of the reason for this is for stability as you seem to imply through the bold text, then there really wouldn't be a large difference between SCAR and Simba other than the open sourciness (and plug-ins that change the program, though i seem to remember Freddy saying that would be added in 4 or 3.5) because the point of Luna is stability. And since the majority of the community doesn't particularly care about it being open sourced (even if they say they do(since most will not look at the source(or if they do they won't properly look at it/wont compile it themselves.))), then it makes even less sense. I'm all for choices which means i accept the idea of Simba, but really Simba wouldn't be giving any choices. It would be simply switching from SCAR to Simba, and forcing all users into one group.

Has more to say, probably shouldn't until someone replies to this.

wat? Stable, as in, the program wont throw DIB errors and access violations and shit randomly, when you do as little as try to open a file/close a new tab. Because if it does, someone will have the knowledge and have the ability to fix it, unlike with SCAR now. And stable as in, because its open source, it will always be able to be updated. Even if Wizzup's boat sinks, and all the devs and mods commit suicide, someone will be able to come along and work on it. It's not about simply having a choice…its about not having to rely on one single person for one broken program they dont know how to fix in order to function as a community.

And we're not forcing anyone to use anything - if you want to continue using SCAR, by all means, continue using SCAR. You'll have to write your own SRL, though. :)

From: Dan Cardin
I'm just wondering if its completely wise to break away from SCAR. Especially since Luna is apparently on the way, if much of the reason for this is for stability as you seem to imply through the bold text, then there really wouldn't be a large difference between SCAR and Simba other than the open sourciness (and plug-ins that change the program, though i seem to remember Freddy saying that would be added in 4 or 3.5) because the point of Luna is stability. And since the majority of the community doesn't particularly care about it being open sourced (even if they say they do(since most will not look at the source(or if they do they won't properly look at it/wont compile it themselves.))), then it makes even less sense. I'm all for choices which means i accept the idea of Simba, but really Simba wouldn't be giving any choices. It would be simply switching from SCAR to Simba, and forcing all users into one group.

Has more to say, probably shouldn't until someone replies to this.

No offence, but I don't really see why Luna would be any more stable than any previous SCAR. It's still the same only person working on it. It's still limited to one platform. Its still maintainable by one person only. Its implementations are still limited to one mind.

What's the difference really? I recommend you don't get your hopes up that much. I'm not saying Simba will be shining with stability, but I really think it is plain stupid to assume that SCAR 3.5 will suddenly be more stable than any previous versions.

well… simbia seems intresting ill try it

looks nice!

when it wil be public?

From: piepolo
looks nice!

when it wil be public?

Probably quite soon. We've gotten SRL 4 to work, and it's actually quite stable. :p
In a few weeks, I guess.

I'm quite dissapointed tbh, I hate how we can change from SCAR after all this time.

Sure, ill use SIMBA, but if SRL won't implement reflection, then what's the point in accepting this change?

I won't forget SCAR, for one thing because it was what i learned on, but another would be because it was a light in a dark cave after the best time to bot.

Just my opinion guys, I hope simba isn't too different :(

~Sandos

From: SandoS

Freddy made us

I'm going to break my better judgment and just say, Lol.

From: SandoS
I'm quite dissapointed tbh, I hate how we can change from SCAR after all this time.
Freddy made us, without him we wouldn't be here, and no one flame me for this, you know that it's true.

Sure, ill use SIMBA, but if SRL won't implement reflection, then what's the point in accepting this change?

I won't forget SCAR, for one thing because it was what i learned on, but another would be because it was a light in a dark cave after the best time to bot.

Just my opinion guys, I hope simba isn't too different :(

~Sandos

Well I must say I disagree with you.
Freddy1990 didn't 'make us', if anybody deserves that honour its kaitnieks who wrote the first version of scar and maintained it until version 2.03

SRL existed and worked very well with scar 2.03, it was a thriving community that could easily support autoing many things. If Freddy1990 hadn't restarted development of scar we would have just continued more-or-less as normal.

Very Nice. It better be ready by May so that i can test it out when im done school! And Im not getting in on this drama bull *some other word*.

From: Yakman
Well I must say I disagree with you.
Freddy1990 didn't 'make us', if anybody deserves that honour its kaitnieks who wrote the first version of scar and maintained it until version 2.03

SRL existed and worked very well with scar 2.03, it was a thriving community that could easily support autoing many things. If Freddy1990 hadn't restarted development of scar we would have just continued more-or-less as normal.

Ill agree with that actually, forgot about Kait ><
/Facepalm

From: The Claw
And we're not forcing anyone to use anything - if you want to continue using SCAR, by all means, continue using SCAR. You'll have to write your own SRL, though. :)

which means that you're forcing things. Pretty clear to me.

From: Wizzup?
No offence, but I don't really see why Luna would be any more stable than any previous SCAR. It's still the same only person working on it. It's still limited to one platform. Its still maintainable by one person only. Its implementations are still limited to one mind.

What's the difference really? I recommend you don't get your hopes up that much. I'm not saying Simba will be shining with stability, but I really think it is plain stupid to assume that SCAR 3.5 will suddenly be more stable than any previous versions.

Well, the fact that it is apparently being mostly rewritten is what makes it more stable. One person vs many people does not inherently mean unstable vs stable so thats completely silly as an arguement. Not saying that Simba will be less stable either, but i just dont see much if any benefits from completely breaking away from SCAR. Actually trying to collaberate with Freddy to try and keep some continuity between the two, or enough to make scripts compatible with a mode or something in one of the programs. Rather than you both saying "oh its the other person's problem" it might be nice to at least make it seem like this isnt a personal thing against Freddy rather than a simple wanting of options.

From: Dan Cardin
Well, the fact that it is apparently being mostly rewritten is what makes it more stable. One person vs many people does not inherently mean unstable vs stable so thats completely silly as an arguement. Not saying that Simba will be less stable either, but i just dont see much if any benefits from completely breaking away from SCAR. Actually trying to collaberate with Freddy to try and keep some continuity between the two, or enough to make scripts compatible with a mode or something in one of the programs. Rather than you both saying "oh its the other person's problem" it might be nice to at least make it seem like this isnt a personal thing against Freddy rather than a simple wanting of options.

Well, since Freddy wants to lose SRL (Last thing I heard) I don't see the big issue. And I actually do believe that one person vs many people makes a difference. I have a serious doubt that Freddy wants to support SRL. If he wants, then that's fine. If he doesn't, then that's fine too.

The real reason is not that we're ``afraid'' of SCAR being better; but if we want to make SRL properly we'll have to mod a lot of the (internal Simba/SCAR) functions, they way they work, they way are named, etc. If Freddy decides to follow, I really don't mind if there are some slight compatibility fixes for SRL to it can be used with SCAR, but those fixes won't be coming from me.

That being said; as I've stated previously, this isn't some personal vendetta against Freddy. In fact, if he wants to work on Simba he's welcome to do so. I'm simply creating the possibility for everyone to work on something, rather than depend on one person.

I'm sure Freddy's gonna think this is a rip-off but ah well.
Anyway, looks like good, as well as the idea of open sauce. Hakuna matata.
I see the FamFamFam toolbar icon set in there too o.O
And I can't be bothered downloading yet.

– BP

Wow this looks awsome! Cheers for Simba! :D

So will Simba be pureply RS oriented? and have "built in" srl? like in scar u gota use includes. (which takes up ram ofcourse…) because i use scar for other things…

also tell me pllzzz will Simba be able to compile scripts to exe? that be hawt.

and would you remove the unhuman functions such as movemouse. even though its unhuman its quite usefull for macroing.

From: chitin
So will Simba be pureply RS oriented? and have "built in" srl? like in scar u gota use includes. (which takes up ram ofcourse…) because i use scar for other things…

also tell me pllzzz will Simba be able to compile scripts to exe? that be hawt.

and would you remove the unhuman functions such as movemouse. even though its unhuman its quite usefull for macroing.

1. No, SIMBA has includes too.
2. Yes that will be possible. .exe files ftw! :)
3. Seriously doubt it will be removed. (MoveMouse is used in WindMouse (MMouse))

On the contrary, most more ``human'' functions will not be in there by default. It's better to have your own. SRL uses WindMouse; but for some flash games I would really prefer MoveMouse.

From: Zyt3x
1. No, SIMBA has includes too.
2. Yes that will be possible. .exe files ftw! :)
3. Seriously doubt it will be removed. (MoveMouse is used in WindMouse (MMouse))

w000t. alll the possibilities with exes!!!!!! im dyin to take a look. release it soon.:f:

really can't wait to use it! release it soon! or let me test it ^.^

From: chitin
w000t. alll the possibilities with exes!!!!!! im dyin to take a look. release it soon.:f:

Yeah, ikr :)
It will surely finish my little project :D

Any idea on when it'll be public? :3 I really wanna auto on mah laptop with ubu. ^^

From: i luffs yeww
Any idea on when it'll be public? :3 I really wanna auto on mah laptop with ubu. ^^

i think Wizzup? said in a couple of weeks or so. apparently its really stable? gosh im excited.:stirthepot:

oh what about all the tools that are in the srl folder. are those gonna integrated or separate? or will you amazing ppl integrate them later? will SRL still be updated thru sub repos? or direct Simba download? Cant i get it now? i dont wana wait a few more weeks! i promise ill send feedback debugs suggestions and my 2c.:wow:

edit: so once it does come out. are we goin all out simba and not usining scar?
ps:wonder what the icon will be?

From: i luffs yeww
Any idea on when it'll be public? :3 I really wanna auto on mah laptop with ubu. ^^

It still needs some more testing and features - but an alpha (most likely beta) release can be expected within a few weeks. There are a few reasons I haven't been able to do a lot of testing lately.
1) Work, Study/School, Life.
2) PascalScript isn't fully operational on Linux yet, but it works on Windows. As I am mainly on Linux, I have to do all the testing in a VM/Wine, which is kind of annoying at times.
3) Other people who work on it lead busy lifes too. :p

Summary: Some sort of release in a few weeks, but may not work on Linux. (Well, the actual program will work, but you wouldn't for example be able to use TPointArrays outside the script; which makes it impossible to call stuff like FindColors)

From: chitin
i think Wizzup? said in a couple of weeks or so. apparently its really stable? gosh im excited.:stirthepot:

oh what about all the tools that are in the srl folder. are those gonna integrated or separate? or will you amazing ppl integrate them later? will SRL still be updated thru sub repos? or direct Simba download? Cant i get it now? i dont wana wait a few more weeks! i promise ill send feedback debugs suggestions and my 2c.:wow:

edit: so once it does come out. are we goin all out simba and not usining scar?
ps:wonder what the icon will be?

It looks quite stable, but we're not quite there yet.
SRL 4 will be the same. In fact I think the link won't be changed. Integration is possible, but that will probably be a download system of some sort at most.

PS: If you want to test, send me a PM. (I kind off read you wanted to, but I can't access the Admin Panel at the moment, so a PM would help refreshing my memory. :p Or posting here of course.)

From: Wizzup?
It still needs some more testing and features - but an alpha (most likely beta) release can be expected within a few weeks. There are a few reasons I haven't been able to do a lot of testing lately.
1) Work, Study/School, Life.
2) PascalScript isn't fully operational on Linux yet, but it works on Windows. As I am mainly on Linux, I have to do all the testing in a VM/Wine, which is kind of annoying at times.
3) Other people who work on it lead busy lifes too. :p

Summary: Some sort of release in a few weeks, but may not work on Linux. (Well, the actual program will work, but you wouldn't for example be able to use TPointArrays outside the script; which makes it impossible to call stuff like FindColors)



It looks quite stable, but we're not quite there yet.
SRL 4 will be the same. In fact I think the link won't be changed. Integration is possible, but that will probably be a download system of some sort at most.

PS: If you want to test, send me a PM. (I kind off read you wanted to, but I can't access the Admin Panel at the moment, so a PM would help refreshing my memory. :p Or posting here of course.)

Is it close to scar in looks and how it works or are there a lot more features?

From: dxzgxz
Is it close to scar in looks and how it works or are there a lot more features?

did you even bother to read the very first post? at the bottom there thumnail atachments. as you can see it does have scar similarities. but it also has new features. the funciton box is on the lefts side like it prbly should be. and it has color history and a buncha other stuff idk yet.

Lookin' good guys!
If you get this running for summer then I'll be back to the community and start scripting again. But as for now I'm quite busy with my Informatics studies(That means lots of maths and programming in C and Java). Anyways I smell a new big era of botting coming!

PS. Can you tell aprox. when will Simba's source be available to the community? Can't wait to have a look at it :p

From: bugger0001
Lookin' good guys!
If you get this running for summer then I'll be back to the community and start scripting again. But as for now I'm quite busy with my Informatics studies(That means lots of maths and programming in C and Java). Anyways I smell a new big era of botting coming!

PS. Can you tell aprox. when will Simba's source be available to the community? Can't wait to have a look at it :p

It's open source so you can view the source right now :)
Just ask Wizzup? to be added to the beta testers :)

EDIT: Oh, and hi! :D

From: Wizzup?
It still needs some more testing and features - but an alpha (most likely beta) release can be expected within a few weeks. There are a few reasons I haven't been able to do a lot of testing lately.
1) Work, Study/School, Life.
2) PascalScript isn't fully operational on Linux yet, but it works on Windows. As I am mainly on Linux, I have to do all the testing in a VM/Wine, which is kind of annoying at times.
3) Other people who work on it lead busy lifes too. :p

Summary: Some sort of release in a few weeks, but may not work on Linux. (Well, the actual program will work, but you wouldn't for example be able to use TPointArrays outside the script; which makes it impossible to call stuff like FindColors)



It looks quite stable, but we're not quite there yet.
SRL 4 will be the same. In fact I think the link won't be changed. Integration is possible, but that will probably be a download system of some sort at most.

PS: If you want to test, send me a PM. (I kind off read you wanted to, but I can't access the Admin Panel at the moment, so a PM would help refreshing my memory. :p Or posting here of course.)

x] I know you guys have lives. But uhh.. I'll just wait until it's public.

Could I be a beta tester?

From: TRiLeZ
Could I be a beta tester?

Added.

now that ima on the beta list. how do i get it lol…..

From: chitin
now that ima on the beta list. how do i get it lol…..

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54786

From: Zyt3x
1. No, SIMBA has includes too.
2. Yes that will be possible. .exe files ftw! :)
3. Seriously doubt it will be removed. (MoveMouse is used in WindMouse (MMouse))

how do i compile to exes? also, simba has no "hints" ahah which kinda help whenever i forget something. and whats with the virtualkeys>vb keys? which is alright…just curious.

From: chitin
how do i compile to exes? also, simba has no "hints" ahah which kinda help whenever i forget something. and whats with the virtualkeys>vb keys? which is alright…just curious.

Definitely talk about that in the Simba category. :p We're not supposed to know! Sounds very interesting, though.

Wizzup? (and everyone else who reads this that may know), still having problems with the Linux version? D:

From: i luffs yeww
Definitely talk about that in the Simba category. :p We're not supposed to know! Sounds very interesting, though.

Wizzup? (and everyone else who reads this that may know), still having problems with the Linux version? D:

Yes. The PascalScript developer doesn't seem to have much time to work on it. It will work properly, eventually. And we still have BenLand100's interpreter. :)

do we? is there a working version of sed interpreter? or something of the sort that could be demonstrated?

From: Dan Cardin
do we? is there a working version of sed interpreter? or something of the sort that could be demonstrated?

Yes, it is in the source repos, called libcpascal. You can also set what interpreter to use in the settings.
Demonstrations - lots of testscripts work with it. It just needs some more functionality.

From: Wizzup?
Yes, it is in the source repos, called libcpascal. You can also set what interpreter to use in the settings.
Demonstrations - lots of testscripts work with it. It just needs some more functionality.

Is only one person working on the Pascal stuff..? Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it seems as though only one person is working on Linux functionality. Seems odd.. :p

From: i luffs yeww
Is only one person working on the Pascal stuff..? Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it seems as though only one person is working on Linux functionality. Seems odd.. :p

The "PascalScript" interpreter is an external component by RemObjects. ( http://code.remobjects.com/p/pascalscript/ )
BenLand100 works on his CPascal on and off.

From: Wizzup?
The "PascalScript" interpreter is an external component by RemObjects. ( http://code.remobjects.com/p/pascalscript/ )
BenLand100 works on his CPascal on and off.

Huh. :) Very interesting. ^^ Thanks for all the info. :3 I can't wait to use it! :D And I'll definitely enjoy the open-source aspect of this. :) And I'm sure there will still be developing to do with it after it's initial release. :p

By the way, kind of unrelated, but do you remember that guy, silentwolf? He was doing the OGL stuff in SCAR or something, and I was just wondering (since I never heard of it after a few weeks after his initial post) if anyone continued on that, and if it'll be in Simba? From what I recall, it was similar to reflection (reflection is like what RSbot uses, with tiles and IDs and everything, right? :p), so couldn't it be another supported feature, like reflection is (was..) in SCAR? :D That'd be super cool, and another way for people to learn more. :)

If the plugin is compatible then I don't see why not. :)

From: Wizzup?
If the plugin is compatible then I don't see why not. :)

:> Well that's awesome.

That raises another question; what determines compatibility? Are only certain languages going to be compatible? I wouldn't expect EVERY language to be compatible, as most would be useless (to some extent), but are there going to be certain restrictions? Like in SCAR you can only have a few, right? C*, Delphi, Pascal, uhh.. I think that's it.. But you get my point, I hope.

From: i luffs yeww
:> Well that's awesome.

That raises another question; what determines compatibility? Are only certain languages going to be compatible? I wouldn't expect EVERY language to be compatible, as most would be useless (to some extent), but are there going to be certain restrictions? Like in SCAR you can only have a few, right? C*, Delphi, Pascal, uhh.. I think that's it.. But you get my point, I hope.

Plugins are generally portable. If you do it right, you can do it in any language. But since Pascal uses some weird types you may have to fiddle a bit with the types. Sooner or later it may be rewritten in C++, which will make it a lot more portable.

^^ Thank you very much for all the information, Wizzup?. :) Very useful. If there's anything I could help with, I've no life. :p

Inc(Wizzup?.postcount);

I mean please add me?
Is it possible to write a working fletcher in simba? Because I want to make one but not in scar as simba seems to be so close.(or no?) Thanks!

From: Sabzi
Inc(Wizzup?.postcount);

I mean please add me?
Is it possible to write a working fletcher in simba? Because I want to make one but not in scar as simba seems to be so close.(or no?) Thanks!

Added. And yes, it is possible.

I know kind of late, but better than never.

Do you guys need any computer resources or accounts?

I have 14-ish nicely trained accounts and my boxes to offer.

From: Mr.Klean
I know kind of late, but better than never.

Do you guys need any computer resources or accounts?

I have 14-ish nicely trained accounts and my boxes to offer.

We mainly need people who have time to mess around with Simba, and give their ideas on what it is supposed to look, what features are logical, what ones aren't etc. :)

Hey I want to help with simba! but i dont have a lot of time…would it still be possible to get in on it for when i do have some excess time?

Hell. I'd like to help. :3

From: XcanadamanX
Hey I want to help with simba! but i dont have a lot of time…would it still be possible to get in on it for when i do have some excess time?

You are always welcome.

From: i luffs yeww
Hell. I'd like to help. :3

And so are you. Everyone is welcome test, but I'd like to keep track of who is actually interested in testing. ;)

woohow, I totally missed this thread until right now :].

Cool thing that we're creating our own scar now. I'm currently working on an Virtual Mouse and Keyboard driver for windows(using WDK) since thats still my main issue with scar (Win API)…

If there's any interest in implenenting such a thing for this project, let me know ;].

// Oh, and I think simba is a cool name, but it shouldnt have lionking graphics :X..

~caused

OMG. I have to change my shorts now.

From: GreenText
OMG. I have to change my shorts now.

haha I lolled :p

Yea I think its totally awesome. I hope they don't get to many complications while writing the code/source thing :)

Hey can i test please?

wow man just wow i like the look of this alot any chance you can add me too please?

From: caused
woohow, I totally missed this thread until right now :].

Cool thing that we're creating our own scar now. I'm currently working on an Virtual Mouse and Keyboard driver for windows(using WDK) since thats still my main issue with scar (Win API)…

If there's any interest in implenenting such a thing for this project, let me know ;].

// Oh, and I think simba is a cool name, but it shouldnt have lionking graphics :X..

~caused

We've been doing some stuff with silent mouse movement. It's not priority but we're interested of course.

From: rya
Hey can i test please?

Bien sur.

From: Scaper
wow man just wow i like the look of this alot any chance you can add me too please?

Yep.

I can't wait anymore. Can you add me :p

From: antti mies
I can't wait anymore. Can you add me :p

Added.

Wizzup im really curious ! can I be in ? :D

could i also test this out?

From: x[Warrior]x3500
could i also test this out?

Added.

How do yo get simba?

From: rya
How do yo get simba?

You have to be a tester to get it.

I'de like to help test :)

Can i test?

From: caustic
I'de like to help test :)

From: Smarter Child
Can i test?

Added both.

Id like to test it also ;).

Is the size of the executable (Windows and Linux) huge like all FPC produced applications?

BobboHobbo: Added.

[QUOTE=Dan's The Man;693747]Is the size of the executable (Windows and Linux) huge like all FPC produced applications?[/QUOTE]

Nope… It's only huge for people who don't have a clue as to what they are doing… ``Like all FPC produced applications…''
Puh… I think it is around 3mb.

Wow, I must say. This is a really neat program. This is like what every scripter would be looking for in a program. I love everyhing about it, the highlighting of the boxes around the begins/end when you click it (EPIC idea). Love how its really easy to see the brackets as they are in red.

All together Wow, amazing. Hope it all goes well in developing it completely! kudos to yahs.

I'd like to test, if I can.

Add me.

Yeah wizzup, Id like to help develop but I dont know delphi in lazarus too well. I'd have to play around with it but if I have the time, hell yeaaa. :)

From: Wewt
I'd like to test, if I can.

From: Secet
Add me.

Added both.

From: Ron
Yeah wizzup, Id like to help develop but I dont know delphi in lazarus too well. I'd have to play around with it but if I have the time, hell yeaaa. :)

I was hoping you'd ask. :) It's not too different from Delphi.

I would love to test. :f:

Hmm, this seems to be the new craze… I would like to join in. :)

Added both.

I'd like to test :)

Hey,

I'd like to help test as well.

Great work Wizzup?!

From: altec
do that guy who came up with the idea to call this project Simba smokes pot ? :D

I lmao'ed.
Add me plz.

Wasn't Simba planned on being public when SRL went private? Or am I just making stuff up?

Added both.

From: i luffs yeww
Wasn't Simba planned on being public when SRL went private? Or am I just making stuff up?

We're getting really close to a first beta release.

I wonder why I haven't asked to be added to the tester group yet, but add me.

From: GoF
I wonder why I haven't asked to be added to the tester group yet, but add me.

Done :f:

I'll beta test if you want ;D ima get back into all this shiz :P

Sign me up, please.

Added both. :)

I cannot wait for it to be completed. Can I test? ^_^

dunno if there are any testers left but id like to help :)
Also can some other normal scripts run on this like scar

Yes. There is hardly anything that needs to be changed if they don't work. And there are guides on how to change scripts if you need help. :)

When will SIMBA be released?
Surely it's getting close! :D

Yup. There's a set (semi) public release for the next week, but it will be members only. Although it shouldn't take long at all for a complete public release with all of them testing. ;)

Does it get detected by McAfee? Because I would actually start scripting again if it doesn't. I'm too lazy to waste 5 minutes every time I want to open SCAR up :p

No, sir! :) That was a major plus to me about Simba. ^^

I never properly thanked you for it…
As a fellow Mcafee owner. TY.
you don't know how much of a pain it was just to turn mcafee off every time i wanted to auto…
Thank you again..

Also, this looks rather promising in my opinion…
I'm actually rather happy since i just came back and forgot almost if not all of my scripting skills. So i guess this was a good time to come back to try out Simba :D.

So this is what simba is all about? i'm looking to get back into scripting, so if you need anymore testers, add me to the list. Thanks.

Can SIMBA interpret C or at least C# or Java syntax? I envy Pascal. It's a horrible language…

Simba can with plugins, I believe. Not too sure about Java, but I'm 99% sure it can interpret C*.

Awesome. I thought about writing my own macroer in C++, but I wouldn't be able to implement SMART, and writing real-time bitmap finding algorithms would be the death of me.

I would love to test! =)

I'd happily test, I have tons of time on my hands to look for bugs =P

From: sylvawarrior
I'd happily test, I have tons of time on my hands to look for bugs =P

Added.

xSaintias: Added.

Oooh, so this is what i've been hearing about lately (been out of the loop for awhile).

I would love to test this =P

I'd love to test this too. I thought I PMed you but it says that I haven't, so sorry if you got that message too.

Unfortunately I have been a quite inactive lately… I still try to get on and get a gist of what is current. Some stuff came up… but hey, that's life. Give me three - four weeks and I would love to test. I wanted to earlier, but I didn't have a time frame.

By time I will be able to test, will it be called test or running beta/rc?

Anonymity, isn't there a release in the members section? 'o.O

Sorry for the ignorance, back from a very long absence. Will this have its own website, or be run out of Villavu?
I am very interested in scripting for this at the time of its release :)

Villavu will be Simba based, and won't officially support SCAR. The scripting is really no different from SCAR.

From: i luffs yeww
Villavu will be Simba based, and won't officially support SCAR. The scripting is really no different from SCAR.

Sounds good :spot:

From: i luffs yeww
Anonymity, isn't there a release in the members section? 'o.O

:p hey, doesn't mean I can't mention my willingness to test it out when I have some time to.

E: and other mems have said they wanted to test too ;)

Added ``nickrules'' and ``A Random Guy''.

From: anonymity
E: and other mems have said they wanted to test too ;)

Well of course they have. :p The members release was like.. last week or something.

wow, been a long time since ive been around here, sounds like alot of work is going on and i need a new hobby lol. well im going to check back into this tommorrow just came across an email from an old friend about it, would love to test it possibly do more all depends upon what my time allows.

^ I think I remember you (your avvy/sig). :o Welcome back. ^^

Sign me up please.

From: Rct33
Sign me up please.

Added.

Would like to test too.

I would be willing to help out on script testing. There is a few scripts giving me some problems with memory leaks, heard Simba could help me out on that? :)

i would love to test this. kind of interested in the differences between this and scar. ill be scripting right away and taking note of anything thats weird(those flies and gnats and other bugs :P)

reg users allowed? i think im suposed to be com mem but wtv :P

Well, if there's no requirenments, I'd like to give this a go and test it out…

I'm in need of something like this, the open source sounds great and could help me out with the situation i'm in.

Added all four. :)

I'm In :)

Typical, I disappear for… way too long… comeback and this happens…
Sounds awsome.
Good luck with it :)

Yours
Tv

Hey there

Since I am free from med school till september I was wondering whether I could get access to this SIMBA. Sounds great and would love to try it out :)

does simba already have the dtm tool?
if so, may i see it because i need some code for my project(dtm scanner)
when it is finished and works like i think it should i'll publish with source

From: nielskool
does simba already have the dtm tool?
if so, may i see it because i need some code for my project(dtm scanner)
when it is finished and works like i think it should i'll publish with source

Simba is open source :)

From: Zyt3x
Simba is open source :)

i knew… but to see it i need acces from wizzup:P

From: nielskool
i knew… but to see it i need acces from wizzup:P

No, not really :)
I have seen it

From: Zyt3x
No, not really :)
I have seen it

ok… now i am confused..:P

This is an interesting development - I've had a degree to focus on so really haven't managed to get a chance to do any developing, but from previously I really thought SCAR had to have some changes made to it.

It's a great tool but there are many things it's been lagging behind in which could of greatly improved it. Simba seems to catch up on these from the looks of things, object-oriented is always a great touch and cross-platform is fantastic!

I'm slap bang in the middle of exams at the moment so don't have a chance to take a look at it development-wise, but great job! :)

Considering it's your website, Wizzup, I presume you know that everyone has access to the Simba installer off of that? - Unless I'm missing the point of people requesting access here. ;)

From: Aequix
This is an interesting development - I've had a degree to focus on so really haven't managed to get a chance to do any developing, but from previously I really thought SCAR had to have some changes made to it.

It's a great tool but there are many things it's been lagging behind in which could of greatly improved it. Simba seems to catch up on these from the looks of things, object-oriented is always a great touch and cross-platform is fantastic!

I'm slap bang in the middle of exams at the moment so don't have a chance to take a look at it development-wise, but great job! :)

Considering it's your website, Wizzup, I presume you know that everyone has access to the Simba installer off of that? - Unless I'm missing the point of people requesting access here. ;)

Access is mainly for the forums (on SRL here), to discuss Simba and such. It's a nice way to keep track of who is interested. It's intentional that everyone can download the installer if they want to. There's no point in trying to restrict access.

(Added users that requested access)

Add meh!

From: Hermen
Add meh!

Members already have access. ;)

Dude:surprised: is it me or are you 24/7 online!:P(Wizzup)

From: nielskool
Dude:surprised: is it me or are you 24/7 online!:P(Wizzup)

He's just 1337!

Wizzup, I am super interested in Simba.

add me…

Added both.

@Aran Armath, could you please remove the bux.to alike stuff from your sig? :)

Hi there,

Would it be possible to add me as well?:)

F

From: flamemagee
Hi there,

Would it be possible to add me as well?:)

F

Added.

I'm highly interested in SIMBA =D
Hoera voor simba (:

ill have a look if you dont mind plz

Wizzup, Simba is a blessing to us all :D
Can I ask you one favor though?
Simba already takes up two spaces in the taskbar with the cmd prompt and the actual interface, so I was wondering if you'd consider taking the icon out of the icon tray. Not that it isn't sexy or anything, it's just that it's a little lot! (Not to mention when SMART's running)
Not a huge deal…

But I must say…
SIMBA OWNS :D

You can hide the command prompt, you do know that right?

Added… :)

From: MylesMadness
You can hide the command prompt, you do know that right?

Yeah, I know that. You can also hide the Simba interface as well. I prefer the cmd up though, because it's a tad easier on the eyes.

I am interested in playing around with Simba :)

Added. (Sorry for the delay)

I am very interested in SIMBA

Added. :)

Add me please

From: pur3b100d
Add me please

Added.

I'd like to try Simba :3

From: jompa
I'd like to try Simba :3

+1 :)

So… What do I do now? >.<

From: jompa
So… What do I do now? >.<

1, download simba
2, if you don't know by now than learn scripting
3, write scripts
4, ???
5, profit!

But I assume you just don't know what access you got now.
I think now you can see this part of the forum.
Also I head those who were added as a simba tester can have avatars but I'm nut sure.

I's want's to's try's simba's! :spot:

Added.

I'd like to try Simba! Yeah I'm back and staying for a while now!

Added.

Ill be a guniea pig!

I'd like to be added please

Simba is public now isn't it? There's no more need for "testers" as you can test and give feedback already (or am I missing something?)

^ It's not public yet, I don't think.

From: kufo
Ill be a guniea pig!

Added. But you're probably one of last we'll add, seeing Simba will go public in the next week.
@BUrdou: All SRL Members have access

lol, i sound nub, but how do i start using simba?

EDIT: ive already been added

From: g0tp0t
lol, i sound nub, but how do i start using simba?

EDIT: ive already been added

There are stickies in the Simba forum.

Any idea of a new public release date?

THREADING PLEASE :)

^^^

lol

The public release should be in a few days; Wizzup? is (or is just getting back?) from being away with some friends. He's going to add/fix a few things and push a "final" revision for the current testers to test and give feedback on. After a day of testing, the public release should happen.

i feel like i've been hearing that the public release is only a few days away now for something like a month (or a few weeks at least).

From: i luffs yeww
The public release should be in a few days; Wizzup? is (or is just getting back?) from being away with some friends. He's going to add/fix a few things and push a "final" revision for the current testers to test and give feedback on. After a day of testing, the public release should happen.

This, I am on my way back home at the moment :)

@Dan: True, some things got delayed.

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57980

Can't wait for python interpretation!

wow this was some time ago, i can see all the user with titles on their names.

Any word on Python being put into this? I am very fluent in Python and would prefer to program in it.

-Typenow

From: typenow
Any word on Python being put into this? I am very fluent in Python and would prefer to program in it.

-Typenow

Simba will never have Python support.
We have been working on making a library of MML for use in other languages. (libMML)
And a header package called pyMML.

From: Dgby714
Simba will never have Python support.
We have been working on making a library of MML for use in other languages. (libMML)
And a header package called pyMML.

Actually, we might still integrate it with Simba. At least with basic syntax highlighting + starting a script.

Wizzup, are the plans still on to develop it so it will work with Macs?

At this point SMART won't start with Wine + a Mac…

From: Imagine
Wizzup, are the plans still on to develop it so it will work with Macs?

At this point SMART won't start with Wine + a Mac…

Yes, the plans are still there. :)

So I took quite an extended break. When I left we didn't even have reflection and were still using SCAR by Freddy1990. What exactly happened to Divi and all that Wizzup??

From: Mjordan
So I took quite an extended break. When I left we didn't even have reflection and were still using SCAR by Freddy1990. What exactly happened to Divi and all that Wizzup??

We dropped support for SCAR in favor of Simba because of Freddy1990's choice of not open-sourcing the project (afaik).

From: Mjordan
So I took quite an extended break. When I left we didn't even have reflection and were still using SCAR by Freddy1990. What exactly happened to Divi and all that Wizzup??

SCAR is still alive and kicking strong [HERE], but it's not supported anymore by SRL.
Simba is an open-source alternative, which is developed by SRL community. :)

From: Sex
We dropped support for SCAR in favor of Simba because of Freddy1990's choice of not open-sourcing the project (afaik).

Sort of correct; Freddy did all closed source, and so no one else could help in the fixing of the bugs that we experienced. At that particular time, we couldn't even OPEN SCAR without errors popping up, so the community needed a better alternative that everyone could help develop.

From: Zyt3x
Sort of correct; Freddy did all closed source, and so no one else could help in the fixing of the bugs that we experienced. At that particular time, we couldn't even OPEN SCAR without errors popping up, so the community needed a better alternative that everyone could help develop.

Aha I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me guys.