SRL Archive - Bot Information and Spottings

There used to be a time that bots where rare; nowadays there are more bots then ever. Up to the point that there are many many more bots on f2p than legits. Everywhere you look there are flocks of low and highlevel bots walking the same path.

I personally find crowds of bots repulsive and frankly silly. I would never join in a script once I see there are others using the same script.

I wonder what SRL thinks about this.

Agree completely.
Botting used to be fun because it was a challenge that few succeeded in. Now its the norm. :(

I propose an army of reporter bots.

[offtopic]Also, please include cmd/process unit in the next simba version :P[/offtopic]

Only if I really needed it, like at the rogue den's cooking spot…

But I don't understand how people can join the crowds at the willow spot or the karamja spots. Lobies are now far under the 100 gp because of the karamja abuse. Edgeville yews, same story…

there used to be a script that reported every level three(or what ever you specified in a range of levels) in your area for botting, switched worlds, and did it again. why not make an other? :)

what could be even funner is creating some sort of secure server that SRL puts their bot user names in, the script checks to see if any of them are in the list and skips(unless it's a level three thats not auto fighting) over

You mean this?

Yea, update the bot catcher(if that needs to be done). I agree with everything you said and I feel like it could all be finished with if jagex just banned bots right when they logged into their account via rsbot or other client information users. Color ftw! :)

Strenght lays in numbers not disguise this is not bad at all.

I see what your saying tom but not when the thing everyone is doing is "against the rules". I put that in quotations because it seems like JaGeX just doesn't care.

From: tom99
Strenght lays in numbers not disguise this is not bad at all.

Kind of like the "flash mob" mentality, eh?

I guess if 50 people all suddenly show up at a gas station and rob the place, they will almost all get away with it, but one or two might be physically caught or identified on surveillance video.

That doesn't really apply in this case, since Jagex can identify and ban pretty much every one of these bots if they put their mind to it. It seems as though they don't want to bother anymore. So maybe it doesn't even matter how obvious you are.

SRL has always been about keeping a low profile, and I still agree with that approach. The reality is that there are many ways Jagex could identify us today, but they don't.

The majority of the bots are the level 3's in free worlds. I agree 100% with Iamadam, scripting for me is worth it just for the challenge of working with Simba and SRL, I really enjoy it whether or not it's beneficial to me in Runescape. I also want to second his proposal of an SRL bot-busting army with and updated version of the Botcatcher script. The old version of this seemed to check for player colors? This wouldn't work now, but I think the original idea of lvl 3's in prime 'bot spots' is the main priority here.

F2P hotspots
Draynor willows
Almost all yes trees
Oak trees both west/east of varrock
Rimmington mine
Varrock east mine
Mining guild
Barbarian village mine/river
Combat spots (Not sure, but I'm guessing cow/chicken spots)
Almost ALL yew trees

Don't you think those rsdemon abusers, that were level 3 with default character looks, abused a lot more?

I agree 100%.. lobsters are 60ea… (that shows something)

Could always integrate this into regular scripts as anti-ban?

This is why I stopped using Rimmington Yews with MSI. It got to the point where it would take way to long to get one load. There was honestly 20 people chopping yews on every world. I've been running a different location now and 2 Simba's have been running for 36 hours now, and still going. :)

From: tarajunky


That doesn't really apply in this case, since Jagex can identify and ban pretty much every one of these bots if they put their mind to it. It seems as though they don't want to bother anymore. So maybe it doesn't even matter how obvious you are.

But if they banned most botters, most of the poeple online would go. I cant remeber who but someone had a graph of poeple online and it shows how manyp poeple did not come on after a update(As the bots need to update)

I wouldn't use a script that always walks the same path anyway.

If my computer could run more than two bots at the same time I would probably join the crowlds :)

From: WT-Fakawi
You mean this?

I'd love to see that updated, I remember when it came out :P

A favorite recent pastime of mine has been to get on a crowded memb's server, go to Aubury's rune shop, and build a cannon in front of the door. It's always fun to see the mass logout that happens once the bots realize that they can't get into the shop.

Just for fun, I might make a script that goes to highly botted areas and closes key doors, or something of the like; some sort of counter-bot. I also like the idea of the auto-report script seen here: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8956

But yeah, I remember back when Phats were more common than bots :( It wouldn't offend me nearly as much if not for the fact that 99.8% of the botters today know absolutely nothing about scripting.

I too agree that it is really sad with all the botters. OK, I have no problem with botting, I have a real problem with leechers.
My belief and how I bot is that, if you don't know how to write a script, you are not allowed to bot. Unless you fully understand what is going on, you don't deserve ability to bot.
That is why all the scripts (botting) I do, is only my own scripts. I really, really rarely do other people scripts.

And that bot catcher would be nice, if it was brought back :)

I think this is a problem with Powerbot users in general, because they make up the majority of the f2p botting population.

As for a bot combating script, I think it is a very good idea. I bet it would be more productive than any of the current player mods on RS. It would be funny if someone actually got player mod from using a script like that :p

From: Runescape Pro
Yea, update the bot catcher(if that needs to be done). I agree with everything you said and I feel like it could all be finished with if jagex just banned bots right when they logged into their account via rsbot or other client information users. Color ftw! :)

So rsbot is detectable upon login?

From: doublex8
So rsbot is detectable upon login?

It could be if jagex wanted it be.

From: doublex8
So rsbot is detectable upon login?

If it was, everybody that used it would get banned. And they're not, so…

From: MylesMadness
It could be if jagex wanted it be.

Just curious, what about rsbot is so detectable? Is there a way to tweak it at all? Like have it use an unsigned client?

They add code to the rs client, which is detectable quite easily.

Yeah botting is getting out of hand. The massive amount of botters are just overwhelming. Draynor usually has 20-30 bots minimum on every tree around. Recently I have been sticking to scripts that don't have a lot of people running them and that better my accounts not just to money make. We'll see what jagex does with RS as this becomes a larger and larger problem

From: doublex8
So rsbot is detectable upon login?

Absolutely not

From: Echo_
If it was, everybody that used it would get banned. And they're not, so…

Jagex knows they need bots to some extent though.. Really, their economy would completely crash, prices would become ridiculous, and people would stop playing if it weren't for bots..

I've noticed alot more levels reset and alot less bans, I think this proves the point that Jagex keeps the member bots around for the membership fees they're receiving, while on the other hand to combat the bot they'll reduce the botted stats after such a period of time, this is a win-win for them. But why allow f2p bots?

I like the idea of everyone walking the same high/low script paths.

Blame Rsbot for this madness. No community regulation, no respect for the game, and I can go on and on.

ye but then if jagex releases the mass ban hammer, and a lot of our accounts would get hit, that wouldn't be good either lol….they completely fucked rs as soon as they added GE and and trade limit and removed pking…..morons.

From: caustic
ye but then if jagex releases the mass ban hammer, and a lot of our accounts would get hit, that wouldn't be good either lol….they completely fucked rs as soon as they added GE and and trade limit and removed pking…..morons.

Most of ours probably wouldn't be hit. They'd probably target injection bots first because they're the most popular (powerbot, rsbuddy). I'm still doing fine on an account with 2100+ total levels =\. 2000+ levels botted.

From: pyroryan
Most of ours probably wouldn't be hit. They'd probably target injection bots first because they're the most popular (powerbot, rsbuddy). I'm still doing fine on an account with 2100+ total levels =\. 2000+ levels botted.

Agreed my level 134-1895 levels. I've also gotten different levels up to 80 30-40 times during my botting career just by using reflection/color.

I've tried Rsbot 3 times. The first time I had a very good experience. The community was run on a smf type forums. Speljohan in charge, and a bunch of mature people. Last two times I left with all my accounts banned and a horrible community.

Well there has always been influx periods of botting and non botting. Over the ages its always been super active to super inactive and back and forth.

We are just coming out of the most inactive, longest period of inactive botting. This mass influx of botting was inevitable.

That means another huge influx of inactive period of botting will follow again.

From: IceFire908
Well there has always been influx periods of botting and non botting. Over the ages its always been super active to super inactive and back and forth.

We are just coming out of the most inactive, longest period of inactive botting. This mass influx of botting was inevitable.

That means another huge influx of inactive period of botting will follow again.

Runetek 6? Or mass ban?

From: pyroryan
Runetek 6? Or mass ban?

Both will happen eventually, mass ban will probably be a greater influx.

It won't be long before we see another aryan category bot.

We are feeling the influx of botting because of the G.E. Honestly I think jagex should take it out. There is no point into it.

From: kingarabian
We are feeling the influx of botting because of the G.E. Honestly I think jagex should take it out. There is no point into it.

I probably wouldn't play at all (even legit) if there was no GE. It's really painful to manually buy and sell…

From: Harry
I probably wouldn't play at all (even legit) if there was no GE. It's really painful to manually buy and sell…

I believe removing the g.e will encourage more merchanting, interaction with other players, and a challenge. I mean I memorized all the spots where people sold different items in world 1 and 2. It's not that bad really, actually more fun.

Right now we just bot goods, go to the grand exchange and dump. Removing the G.e will stop prices from getting incredibly low. I remember that during aryan and Rsdemon times which had a much crazier influx of bots than today's current one, prices of yews/sharks/lobs and everyday items stayed stable.

Personally, I don't agree with the bot catcher. It'd be more likely an annoyance to the Jagex employees who monitor the system than it does help them. After all, Jagex are ultimately our friends.

If they wanted to ban every level three player in one area, they could do that with the flick of a switch (or click of a mouse button, just grab all the players in one area from the server and ban). The bot catcher would just add a significant amount of more reports ( with some level 3's being legitimate payer) than the actual helpful ones, observed by real humans, submitted by a legitimate player.

What do you guys think about switching from RS and botting a new game, because botting on RS these days can be done by anyone and they don't even bother making the bots look human like

What about randomised paths?

From: Daniel
Personally, I don't agree with the bot catcher. It'd be more likely an annoyance to the Jagex employees who monitor the system than it does help them. After all, Jagex are ultimately our friends.

If they wanted to ban every level three player in one area, they could do that with the flick of a switch (or click of a mouse button, just grab all the players in one area from the server and ban). The bot catcher would just add a significant amount of more reports ( with some level 3's being legitimate payer) than the actual helpful ones, observed by real humans, submitted by a legitimate player.

This is also what I think. If we made something like this it should actually follow the players and ask questions and detect repeative things before reporting… And not just level 3.

From: kingarabian
I believe removing the g.e will encourage more merchanting, interaction with other players, and a challenge. I mean I memorized all the spots where people sold different items in world 1 and 2. It's not that bad really, actually more fun.

Right now we just bot goods, go to the grand exchange and dump. Removing the G.e will stop prices from getting incredibly low. I remember that during aryan and Rsdemon times which had a much crazier influx of bots than today's current one, prices of yews/sharks/lobs and everyday items stayed stable.

I agree with this. Runescape before the ge was such a challenge but it was much more fun. I attribute all my real life bargaining skills to runescape.

From: doublex8
I agree with this. Runescape before the ge was such a challenge but it was much more fun. I attribute all my real life bargaining skills to runescape.

not to mention it was also much easier to merch legitly, like buying blk cavs for 1.1 and selling 1.2. i made so much off those and furies :(

Auto merchant ;)

From: noidea
Auto merchant ;)

ofcourse i used an auto talker, but merching was something that i actually enjoyed doing back in the day :p

Why dont they just make more yew trees :duh:

From: Awkwardsaw
not to mention it was also much easier to merch legitly, like buying blk cavs for 1.1 and selling 1.2. i made so much off those and furies :(

You can merch just fine with the GE.

im getting incredibly slowly 12 yew logs an hour with one bot, due to the fact 40 others is cutting the same tree over and over.

For any legit WC'ing and mining, I've started going to obscure spots and using Seer's village tele to bank (IIRC it's the most efficient use of a law rune anyways, so not really a waste). Still, I wish RSBot would go down for good. There'd be less than 1/4 of the bots there are now.

From: tom99
Why dont they just make more yew trees :duh:

Because they'll be more bots.

I'd like a new game engine update, to kill all these reflection bots. Yes, that means bye for our reflection but we have the advantage of SRL and color.

From: Flight
I'd like a new game engine update, to kill all these reflection bots. Yes, that means bye for our reflection but we have the advantage of SRL and color.

They'd just fix RSBot in a matter of days/weeks, I don't see your point?

From: KingKong
Because they'll be more bots.

lol right now its like a wasp swarm on a honeycomb :p

From: tom99
lol right now its like a wasp swarm on a honeycomb :p

I don't see how a locust swarm would be any better.

From: Capricorn
You can merch just fine with the GE.

Yea, but it just doesn't feel the same. Something about standing around and trying to find the person selling what you were buying…maybe it is just childhood nostalgia:p

From: Train
They'd just fix RSBot in a matter of days/weeks, I don't see your point?

I would guess that would depend on the magnitude of the engine modification, wouldn't you? Or what if the client itself is to be completely redone.

From: Flight
I would guess that would depend on the magnitude of the engine modification, wouldn't you? Or what if the client itself is to be completely redone.

Jagex is too lazy to do anything like that. Even if the updaters has to be completely rewritten, the bot problem would only be solved for a few weeks at the max. And that's only for bots that rely upon client hooks, everything that relies on color or shapes would still be up and running.

A membership pin is one solution. Even though it costs 8-10M (no?), I think it sure is worth it. I'm at the Varrock East Mine, feeling all lonely cause no one is around and I'm getting too much cash :). And I'm sure other places are WAY less crowded, too.

From: LolL
A membership pin is one solution. Even though it costs 8-10M (no?), I think it sure is worth it. I'm at the Varrock East Mine, feeling all lonely cause no one is around and I'm getting too much cash :). And I'm sure other places are WAY less crowded, too.

draynor willows are still pretty crowded even on mems :P

From: willie2oo8
draynor willows are still pretty crowded even on mems :P

Then try the maples at Catherby… or the million other oak/willow/maple locations throughout the P2P map. Oaks and maples were usually slower than willows back in the day, but since today most oaks (at least in P2P) and maples are less crowded, it would actually be better to chop these for XP and cash.

It's not very easy to make money off woodcutting period. The only way is given you're 80+ woodcutting, cutting yews in p2p worlds, and even then it's not that much per hour given that even then you're still competing with multiple other bots.

I think you should invest your time in mining, and like LolL said, buy a pin. There's many quiet places to mine iron/coal in the member worlds.

Fight your way through bots till you've got enough cash for a pin or just grow a pair and buy one, then go do p2p shit.

Where can you get a pin for rs gold?

i have my 2 p2p tots running in rimmy. they do just fine there.

From: doublex8
Where can you get a pin for rs gold?

You can buy a pin for rs gold on sythe (not recommended, you might get scammed). People sell them on this site as well :p

From: Echo_
People sell them on this site as well :p

The SRL Black Market is only for SRL Members +.

The last time botting got rampant Jagex improved their detection system and banned several hundred thousand accounts. I am just waiting for the day the "I got banned" thread explodes. Jagex will eventually figure out how to detect it, and hundreds of thousands will be banned.

Even in p2p it's terrible in some spots. ALL the green drag spots, along with blue drags, thzaar, and many other places there's hoards of botters. Yesterday I went to arma gwd and there's even hoards of them at aviancies! I don't see why Jagex can't hire a couple more Mods that specifically just go through the worlds to various high traffic botting areas and just manually perm ban them.

Oh wait, because each bot means +$5, and if there's 10 bots alone at aviancies in one world, that's $50 a month, but then you multiply that by over 140 worlds, that's over $7,000 each month alone JUST from aviancies.

I didn't know it would come to this day where botters are complaining about too much botters.

Seriously Jagex…

This thread is full of hypocrisy.

Don't think we're better because we don't use the same method - in the end, SRL is just another bot.

I'm mad at Jagex for not doing its job and making this a challenge.

Edit: Anyone can just download and run for any 99 in a short amount of time.

Edit2: That's progress on our side, but it seems cheap.

Edit3: The best is usually produced after trial and error. Jagex is simply not doing their part on that balanced scale.

That means we win ;)

I wonder if its possible for someone to sue Jagex for not banning bots, because if was going to pay to become a member and i cant train anywhere for a decent xp/hr then its jagex's fault(isn't it?)

From: KingKong
I wonder if its possible for someone to sue Jagex for not banning bots, because if was going to pay to become a member and i cant train anywhere for a decent xp/hr then its jagex's fault(isn't it?)

It's their game. I'm pretty sure you can't sue a company for not being able to play their game how you think you should be able to, lol.

So, no.

From: TomTuff
This thread is full of hypocrisy.

Don't think we're better because we don't use the same method - in the end, SRL is just another bot.

No we are better. We respect the game unlike other communities. We even have a bot that catches other bots. We even have rules on how to auto correctly. And the color autoing part of this community is completely legal not infringing any copy rights. We do not bot so extremely that the game becomes unplayable.

From: i luffs yeww
It's their game. I'm pretty sure you can't sue a company for not being able to play their game how you think you should be able to, lol.

So, no.

When you subscribe to members Jagex promises you countless training places for you to train at ease and countless ways to obtain items. Unfortunately due to everything being infiltrated by bots, members server do not have much of a difference or advantage over non members.

From: kingarabian
When you subscribe to members Jagex promises you countless training places for you to train at ease and countless ways to obtain items. Unfortunately due to everything being infiltrated by bots, members server do not have much of a difference or advantage over non members.

If you're trying to say you could sue Jagex and have a chance at winning, then you're wrong.

From: i luffs yeww
If you're trying to say you could sue Jagex and have a chance at winning, then you're wrong.

No shit - but you could hurt them. Though It's not like we have any will or power to sue anyway.

I'm positive you couldn't do anything to hurt them because there are too many bots.. :p

From: i luffs yeww
I'm positive you couldn't do anything to hurt them because there are too many bots.. :p

Ahahhaa… lol.

Reflection is just as detectable as injection - just saying :P
Luckily Jagex haven't pulled that card yet.

From: Iamadam
Reflection is just as detectable as injection - just saying :P

How so?

Zyt3x:

Reflection is just examining the client at run time without editing it, however, this is slower and more detectable than injection. Injection is modifying the client before loading it to be able to easily view the information inside of it, this means that the bot can read directly from the client, this gives the speed advantage over reflection. For detectability, injection can be used to remove/disable any client sided bot detection systems whereas reflection cannot.

Versus

There are two main kinds of bots: BCEL (Byte Code Engineering Library) and Reflection.

BCEL bots use an injector to hack the RS client. Once it writes its code into the client it is then able to extract lots of vital data about where it is in the game and what's going on around it. It uses that data to do the mining, woodcutting, fishing, etc., and to do it in a more human-like fashion.

Of course, you've just injected code! You've left a trail of botting evidence that leads directly to your account. Or have you?

Yes and no. The absolute best bots can use such elaborate algorithms that they are nearly undetectable to the kinds of detection systems that our good friends at Jagex have in place. There are millions of Runescape players online globally every minute of every day. There's no way they can monitor all of them closely at the level required to detect every bot. For the most part, they are waiting for reports from other players that there is a suspicious player. That's why you need to take a little time and search for bots that may be less well known, but that are also not as easily detected.
This leads us to Reflection bots. They simply read the data from the client as best they can, and use it to perform their tasks as best they can. They aren't as effective as the BCEL/injection bots, but they are essentially undetectable. Even if our good friends at Jagex suspect you are using one, there is no way for them to prove it because nothing was injected or otherwise altered within the client. Whew!

Found from amazing interntzor.

~Home

From: Home
Zyt3x:

Reflection is just examining the client at run time without editing it, however, this is slower and more detectable than injection. Injection is modifying the client before loading it to be able to easily view the information inside of it, this means that the bot can read directly from the client, this gives the speed advantage over reflection. For detectability, injection can be used to remove/disable any client sided bot detection systems whereas reflection cannot.

Versus

There are two main kinds of bots: BCEL (Byte Code Engineering Library) and Reflection.

BCEL bots use an injector to hack the RS client. Once it writes its code into the client it is then able to extract lots of vital data about where it is in the game and what's going on around it. It uses that data to do the mining, woodcutting, fishing, etc., and to do it in a more human-like fashion.

Of course, you've just injected code! You've left a trail of botting evidence that leads directly to your account. Or have you?

Yes and no. The absolute best bots can use such elaborate algorithms that they are nearly undetectable to the kinds of detection systems that our good friends at Jagex have in place. There are millions of Runescape players online globally every minute of every day. There's no way they can monitor all of them closely at the level required to detect every bot. For the most part, they are waiting for reports from other players that there is a suspicious player. That's why you need to take a little time and search for bots that may be less well known, but that are also not as easily detected.
This leads us to Reflection bots. They simply read the data from the client as best they can, and use it to perform their tasks as best they can. They aren't as effective as the BCEL/injection bots, but they are essentially undetectable. Even if our good friends at Jagex suspect you are using one, there is no way for them to prove it because nothing was injected or otherwise altered within the client. Whew!

Found from amazing interntzor.

~Home

Yes, I've read that before, but he said reflection is just as detectable as injection and I haven't read that is the case anywhere on the internet, so that's why I asked him to prove his statement :)

Have you guys been to LRC LOL

From: Simtoon
Have you guys been to LRC LOL

Living rock caverns? And ye.. There are bots.. Fuck loads to be honest :P


EDIT:

From: Zyt3x
Yes, I've read that before, but he said reflection is just as detectable as injection and I haven't read that is the case anywhere on the internet, so that's why I asked him to prove his statement :)

Read the upper Quote before "Versus" From my post. :)

~Home

From: TomTuff
This thread is full of hypocrisy.

Don't think we're better because we don't use the same method - in the end, SRL is just another bot.

I don't think we're criticizing them for botting, but the motives behind why they're botting and the part where there's hoards of them obviously botting and Jagex , for whatever reason, decides to not just permanently ban all of them. Not like they're hard to spot either.