SRL Archive - S.M.A.R.T.

Edit: v6.4 -> v6.4a

Added to the srl-opendev, mirrored on my server:
http://bland.no-ip.org/files/Embedded_SMART.dll
http://bland.no-ip.org/files/libsmart.so
http://bland.no-ip.org/files/libsmart.dll

Source (SVN Repos):
http://blanddns.no-ip.org:81/repos/public-smart

Major changes are not visible to most people, however:
+Changed windows internal names to remove the @[numbytes] so python can interface easier with SMART
+Fixed the user-agent thanks to moparisthebest
EDIT: Changed from v6.4
+Export to SCAR/everything else fixed, hopefully it works now

You also seem to have gotten rid of the pesky i386 assembly code in the windows build, which is great because now it compiles without modification for 64-bit windows! Does anyone know if it actually works with 64-bit windows though?

From: moparisthebest
You also seem to have gotten rid of the pesky i386 assembly code in the windows build, which is great because now it compiles without modification for 64-bit windows! Does anyone know if it actually works with 64-bit windows though?

Smart works on my 64-bit windows (prior to 6.4, dunno about 6.4..); however, I have no idea if it compiles correctly.

From: Train
Smart works on my 64-bit windows (prior to 6.4, dunno about 6.4..); however, I have no idea if it compiles correctly.

Yes, but as a 64bit? Not just running it with Simba, cause that would run it as 32bit afaik.

Compiling Error Line 1 Access violation at address 00000000. Read of address 00000000.

Seriously whats the point of you updating the non simba SMART if you are not going to test to see if it works or not first.

I appreciate you keeping this remarkable program alive, but why make updates that cause it not to work.

From: Train
Smart works on my 64-bit windows (prior to 6.4, dunno about 6.4..); however, I have no idea if it compiles correctly.

It compiles just fine:
http://www.moparisthebest.com/downloads/simba/make_tools/plugins/x86_64-win64/

I can't currently test if it works or not though. I also should have made clearer that I'm talking about whether 64-bit SMART works with 64-bit Simba on 64-bit windows. You are almost certainly using 32-bit SMART with 32-bit Simba on 64-bit windows, which has always worked.

Ok, I got wine64 to compile, and I think SMART will work in 64-bit simba now, as benland's test app has never worked on 64-bit SMART before, and now it does:

~/simba$ wine64 test-windows64.exe 
fixme:seh:RtlAddFunctionTable 0x49d100 1 400000: stub
fixme:seh:RtlAddFunctionTable 0x6f8f5900 1 6f840000: stub
Running SMART Constructor
SMART Initialized!
Library: 0x6f840000
GetFunctionCount: 0x6f841410
GetFunctionInfo: 0x6f84141b
#Exports = 76
        0x6f848f44 = procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: AnsiString);
        0x6f848040 = function SmartGetDC: integer;
        0x6f84804d = function SmartGetDebugDC: integer;
        0x6f84805a = function SmartImageArray(): Pointer;
        0x6f848067 = function SmartDebugArray(): Pointer;
        0x6f8481d1 = function SmartGetRefresh: integer;
/snip

(although, now that I look at it, not sure that should say 'AnsiString' since I compiled it for Simba and NOT for SCAR, is that right Benland??)

If someone would like to try it under 64-bit windows, please give it a shot (don't try to load all of SRL or anything, I believe the current interpreter is still broken under 64-bit, just try to load SMART):
http://www.moparisthebest.com/downloads/simba/current/Simba.x86_64-win64.2010-12-26_13_52.7z

$ wine64 Simba.x86_64-win64.exe 
[FORMS.PP] ExceptionOccurred 
  Sender=EAccessViolation
  Exception=Access violation
  Stack trace:
  $00007FEAD07A0F31
TApplication.HandleException Access violation
  Stack trace:
  $00007FEAD07A0F31
exception at 00007FEAD07A0F31:
Access violation.

Well, Simba 64 bit windows doesn't start here with your latest build. :)

PS: Mind using .gz or .bz2 instead of 7z? I had to install p7zip. :D

Error: Exception: Access violation at line 4

From: Dgby714

Error: Exception: Access violation at line 4

Was that on an actual Windows machine?

Yes.

From: moparisthebest
Was that on an actual Windows machine?

Yes, Winblows 7 64bit.

@IceFire.. Its technically illegal to use SMART with SCAR.. thus why would he even maintain support?

From: Nava2
@IceFire.. Its technically illegal to use SMART with SCAR.. thus why would he even maintain support?

Ok I'm tired of you guys acting like simba is the perfect program. There are other people that need to use SCAR for different purposes. Cut the bullshit with the "illegal to use with SCAR". I highly doubt your stupid enough to even believe that, because if you are then a truly feel sorry for you. BenLand has full rights to do whatever he wants with SMART, he chose what license to use it with, he even chose a name that included SCAR in the title at one point. The sooner the bullshit ends, the sooner the fighting ends.

Nice trolling btw.

From: IceFire908
Ok I'm tired of you guys acting like simba is the perfect program. There are other people that need to use SCAR for different purposes. Cut the bullshit with the "illegal to use with SCAR". I highly doubt your stupid enough to even believe that, because if you are then a truly feel sorry for you. BenLand has full rights to do whatever he wants with SMART, he chose what license to use it with, he even chose a name that included SCAR in the title at one point. The sooner the bullshit ends, the sooner the fighting ends.

Nice trolling btw.

According to the CURRENT licence, it is illegal.

From: MylesMadness
According to the CURRENT licence, it is illegal.

Is it? Because according to GNU GPL v3^[1] I've yet to see where it says it's illegal.

Certainly not for the program owner, who can do whatever the hell he wants to.

Since Benland is the copyright holder on the program, he can license it under any license he chooses, and allow all the exceptions he wants. He obviously allows it to be used with SCAR (though not under a GPL license). He is allowed to do this and it's perfectly legal.

I however could not compile and distribute the GPL'd SMART for use with SCAR, that would be against the license. I can and do compile it for use with Simba though. And I could compile it and use it for SCAR for my own use, because the GPL only applies if you distribute the program.

Bug report for Benland, though I'm not sure if it makes a difference or not, it very well might.

2 snippets from Main.cpp:

// first snippet
#ifndef NEWSCAR
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: AnsiString);",
#else
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: String);",
#endif

// second snippet
#ifndef NEWSCAR
    (char*)"sendKeys", (char*)"procedure SmartSendKeys(Text: String);",
#else
    (char*)"sendKeys", (char*)"procedure SmartSendKeys(Text: AnsiString);",
#endif

Notice how the first snippet is reversed? This causes the exports when compiled for Simba to be slightly messed up, as SmartSetup has a final parameter of type 'AnsiString' instead of 'String'. It should instead be switched like so:

#ifndef NEWSCAR
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: String);",
#else
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: AnsiString);",
#endif

Also, I'm not sure if the 'params' parameter is supposed to be String or AnsiString when compiled for SCAR, I'd think it might be messed up too.

If this made a difference, I'd expect it not to work in SCAR or Simba probably, if it currently does work then it's just a semantics issue. :)

Damnit. Lol, nice catch. I'll fix it right away. It only makes a difference for SCAR.

WHICH IS WHAT ICEFIRE SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED INSTEAD OF "IT DON'T WORK WAT DO"

@IceFire — it would work fine and this problem wouldn't exist if Freddy wasn't a fail at keeping things sensible. SMART has a tendency to work fine on everything, except SCAR. Anyway, i'll update.

Edit: Fixed for v6.4a… TBH Icefire, if i knew anyone accessible to test for me on SCAR I would run it by them, but I don't.

From: BenLand100
Damnit. Lol, nice catch. I'll fix it right away. It only makes a difference for SCAR.

WHICH IS WHAT ICEFIRE SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED INSTEAD OF "IT DON'T WORK WAT DO"

@IceFire — it would work fine and this problem wouldn't exist if Freddy wasn't a fail at keeping things sensible. SMART has a tendency to work fine on everything, except SCAR. Anyway, i'll update.

Edit: Fixed for v6.4a… TBH Icefire, if i knew anyone accessible to test for me on SCAR I would run it by them, but I don't.

Since IceFire is so vocally interested in keeping SCAR a viable option, perhaps he should volunteer the duty of testing on SCAR?

Anyway, great work Ben, thanks! [/Suckup]

From: moparisthebest
Since Benland is the copyright holder on the program, he can license it under any license he chooses, and allow all the exceptions he wants. He obviously allows it to be used with SCAR (though not under a GPL license). He is allowed to do this and it's perfectly legal.

I however could not compile and distribute the GPL'd SMART for use with SCAR, that would be against the license. I can and do compile it for use with Simba though. And I could compile it and use it for SCAR for my own use, because the GPL only applies if you distribute the program.

Thanks for clearing this up, this is what I was confused about.

@IceFire, it was not a troll, but merely a statement of an incorrect fact. I am sorry about that. I also think that you do need to move on from SCAR, but that is a personal opinion and not one to be discussed in this topic.

Quick patch. Everything seems to compile just fine and load fine in all of the architectures of your plugin test apps. (win64, win32, linux32, linux64)

All the plugins are here:
http://www.moparisthebest.com/downloads/simba/make_tools/plugins/

And incorporated into the latest Simba builds, and all future ones (until it's updated again), here:
http://www.moparisthebest.com/downloads/simba/current/

If someone could test the 64-bit windows smart and give feedback as to what happens, that would be great.

From: Nava2
@IceFire, it was not a troll, but merely a statement of an incorrect fact. I am sorry about that. I also think that you do need to move on from SCAR, but that is a personal opinion and not one to be discussed in this topic.

I would disagree because this is not the first time.

From: BenLand100
Damnit. Lol, nice catch. I'll fix it right away. It only makes a difference for SCAR.

WHICH IS WHAT ICEFIRE SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED INSTEAD OF "IT DON'T WORK WAT DO"

@IceFire — it would work fine and this problem wouldn't exist if Freddy wasn't a fail at keeping things sensible. SMART has a tendency to work fine on everything, except SCAR. Anyway, i'll update.

Edit: Fixed for v6.4a… TBH Icefire, if i knew anyone accessible to test for me on SCAR I would run it by them, but I don't.

Edit: The exports are messed up still. All the functions from smart are unknown identifiers. If you cbf to fix it that's fine I really dgaf but it would be nice if you reverted to the SMART before this one in the none simba folder.


—


I appreciate you fixing the problem, and I'm going to ignore the rude responses. Thank you.

Just a side note, there was never any resentment geared towards you from me in this thread. Just thought I'd point that out.

But for future references, it took me a sufficient amount of time to find the official SMART repository/wiki/ all that, it would be helpful if there is a specific place on the forums (where ever) to guide people.

From: moparisthebest

All the plugins are here:
http://www.moparisthebest.com/downloads/simba/make_tools/plugins/

If someone could test the 64-bit windows smart and give feedback as to what happens, that would be great.

Still get a Access Violation.

From: IceFire908
Edit: The exports are messed up still. All the functions from smart are unknown identifiers. If you cbf to fix it that's fine I really dgaf but it would be nice if you reverted to the SMART before this one in the none simba folder.

—

I appreciate you fixing the problem, and I'm going to ignore the rude responses. Thank you.

So, broken or fixed? And has scar magically changed in the past 48 hours such that it might not be something I changed causing the problem? Cause I really didn't change anything except moving stuff around….

Edit: Presuming it was broken, I committed something to the repos that might fix it. No version change though, since it was just a flag in the makefile I changed. Maybe it works on SCAR now?

From: BenLand100
So, broken or fixed? And has scar magically changed in the past 48 hours such that it might not be something I changed causing the problem? Cause I really didn't change anything except moving stuff around….

Edit: Presuming it was broken, I committed something to the repos that might fix it. No version change though, since it was just a flag in the makefile I changed. Maybe it works on SCAR now?

To answer your question, the first one you put up wouldn't allow anything to compile at all and gave the read of address 000000. The second one you put up would compile but none of the functions would register (unknown identifiers), the one you just put up won't compile at all and puts out Compiling Error Line 1 Unable to register function function SmartImageArray(): Pointer;. Nothing has changed in SCAR for a month or two. The previous SMART that was in the repository worked until you updated it.

The point I was making though was what is the point of updating SMART that isn't used for anything but SCAR if you aren't going to test to see if it works fine or not first. It's an inconvenience for everyone whom it effects.

"isn't used for anything but SCAR"

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wat.

From: i luffs yeww
"isn't used for anything but SCAR"

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wat.

Read the context before you make yourself look stupid. The SMART found in the SRL include that isn't in the simba folder.

Who else uses SCAR? :\ You and Timer?

From: 3Garrett3
Who else uses SCAR? :\ You and Timer?

Is this some kind of a joke? You of all people Garrett

Tell me why we people making irrelevant, off topic, incorrect, smart ass comments here. I am trying to discuss with Ben here more important things than some of you can probably wrap your brain around.

Simba is not a perfect program. It has many flaws. SCAR has been around for some time, and a lot of the code that I've made (and a lot of code in the SRL include), and many others, was based for this. Most of us learned to code in SCAR and we are used to the way it interprets things and the way it works. Simba does things differently, here's a perfect example of a coder having problems adapting http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60368 to the new environment. In order to better simba, it takes help from people like me who give a fuck and take an in-depth look into high detail of these differences to catch shit you'd never expect or anticipate. There are many examples of this, and many instances of this. All of you who think I'm some anti-simba hating jackass mother fucker need to take a closer look at the things that I've done. My only goal is to better everything, deleting SCAR off the face of the Earth and proclaiming Simba to be god is some serious head up the ass approach I've had to put up with that has made things that much harder. I've been in to help from the start, and I've done a fantastic job of doing what I can for simba.

I'm doing this for a reason, those of you who are so sort sighted and ignorant, those of you who take offense to constructive criticism really need to grow a pair.

From: IceFire908
Read the context before you make yourself look stupid. The SMART found in the SRL include that isn't in the simba folder.

I know what you're saying, but you specifically said that SMART (I don't care where it's located, by the way) "isn't used for anything but SCAR," which is false.. SMART supports both Simba and SCAR (again, the location doesn't matter). That is all.

But anyway, herp derp, let's continue arguing about Simba vs SCAR in this thread.

Ben, I wanna give you a patch for libsmart.so but I'm trying to have a few more people test. It's just how you find the Java stuff on Linux. It's a bit.. specific. Actually, I think you always have to edit the source and recompile if you're on linux..

IceFire that was a serious statement. Who else uses SCAR and SMART combined? You didn't answer.. I'm not saying any of the accusations you made, nor am I trying to troll you. I actually want to know. Nobody else that I know of actually uses SMART with SCAR because (again, afaik) there aren't any scripts which work anymore and also use SCAR. This is all just to my knowledge and I am legitimately curious as to how many people actually continue using SCAR.

Sorry for any misinterpretations into my statement.

freddy1990.com

People still use SCAR. And oldies sometimes do.

From: i luffs yeww
freddy1990.com

People still use SCAR. And oldies sometimes do.

But with SMART and SCAR? For RS I mean. The argument made was that SMART needs to be compatible with SCAR, but even Freddy's forums for Runescape scripts hasn't been posted in since August.. SCAR has uses for other games, etc I'm sure, but I don't see anyone using it with SMART or RS in general. Hence my curiosity. Only IceFire and Timer are vocal about their use of SCAR, so those are the only two I know about.

and apparently(according to his post on rsbot forums) he only was trolling with his scar thing so he could get people pissed at him so he could go out with a bang.

From: MylesMadness
and apparently(according to his post on rsbot forums) he only was trolling with his scar thing so he could get people pissed at him so he could go out with a bang.

Sounds like an 8 year old that needs to lie to look cool, when he really was just an immature little idiot.

From: MylesMadness
and apparently(according to his post on rsbot forums) he only was trolling with his scar thing so he could get people pissed at him so he could go out with a bang.

Post? Where can I see this post?

From: i luffs yeww
I know what you're saying, but you specifically said that SMART (I don't care where it's located, by the way) "isn't used for anything but SCAR," which is false.. SMART supports both Simba and SCAR (again, the location doesn't matter). That is all.

Ok, misinterpretations aside, do you really think I meant to say that SMART is only used for SCAR? Because from reading what you just said, it makes it seem like you did. I was specifically referring to the SMART located in the SRL SVN which is not in the /simba/ folder. That is not used by anything but SMART, so for someone to 'update' that particular file knowing that it potentially does not work, and does not care or bother to test it, commits it to the SVN. Now I've pointed this out before, and apparently no one except Ben is allowed to touch it now. It doesn't get to me that he doesn't care to maintain SCAR compatibility, it gets to me the fact that something that has only 1 specific use is updated only to break its entire purpose. Therefore there is no use in updating it if the only thing it is going to accomplish is an error that prevents anything from compiling, especially when it could just be left alone or reverted to the old one.

Now honestly, minus the minor rude statements from Ben, I'm rather happy with his response and acknowledge of the problem. So really this almost has nothing at all to do with Ben.

What I don't understand is random people coming in here, Ex. Nava2, Ian, Garret, MylesMadness, making unnecessary input that is far from helping anything, especially since they know it's a sensitive topic apparently.

Ian, if you didn't understand what I said, that's really your fault, and not mine.

From: 3Garrett3
IceFire that was a serious statement. Who else uses SCAR and SMART combined? You didn't answer.. I'm not saying any of the accusations you made, nor am I trying to troll you. I actually want to know. Nobody else that I know of actually uses SMART with SCAR because (again, afaik) there aren't any scripts which work anymore and also use SCAR. This is all just to my knowledge and I am legitimately curious as to how many people actually continue using SCAR.

Sorry for any misinterpretations into my statement.

First of all, whether or not anyone at all uses SCAR is irrelevant. If you want to know the answer to such a question that is as off topic and derailing as that one, please do it somewhere else. I don't care where, no one wants this to be another simba vs SCAR thread, especially not me. And by discussing and asking such questions here is nearly impossible to avoid with this many people of such a 'small' attitude is only going to lead to exactly that.

All I'm going to say here in this thread, is that your statement is incorrect in this thread, because it is. If you want the answer to that question then follow the instructions listed above. It's real simple.

From: 3Garrett3
But with SMART and SCAR? For RS I mean. The argument made was that SMART needs to be compatible with SCAR, but even Freddy's forums for Runescape scripts hasn't been posted in since August.. SCAR has uses for other games, etc I'm sure, but I don't see anyone using it with SMART or RS in general. Hence my curiosity. Only IceFire and Timer are vocal about their use of SCAR, so those are the only two I know about.

Lets assume 3 things aren't true, that actually are. That no one ever uses SCAR, that no one ever uses SCAR with Runescape, and that no one ever uses SMART with SCAR with runescape.

That being said, does it make any sense at all to update a file, that has no other purpose that being used with SCAR (Yes Ian this means I'm talking about the SMART not the in the /simba/ folder) be "updated" if all it is going to do is cause what it was there for not to work.

Now lets take into account that even one, or two, hell maybe all those things are probably true.

From: MylesMadness
and apparently(according to his post on rsbot forums) he only was trolling with his scar thing so he could get people pissed at him so he could go out with a bang.

From: mormonman
Sounds like an 8 year old that needs to lie to look cool, when he really was just an immature little idiot.

Please specify who you exactly you are referring to before I go off on some page long rant.

OOOHHH, you meant SMART. :x You said SCAR so I thought you meant that SMART was used specifically for SCAR, but I see now that you meant SMART, which makes entire sense. Not to be rude, but it's kinda unfair to say I misinterpreted which is my fault or anything since you said the wrong thing.

But! I know what you meant now. My apologies. Back on topic.

"Now I've pointed this out before, and apparently no one except Ben is allowed to touch it now."

If you mean he's the only one allowed to commit, then yes. But, if you post a patch that's useful (and works, or at least should work), then he will apply it and it'll be in the repo at some point. It's been done at least once recently, and I plan on posting a patch (or if he's on in irc just giving it to him) at some point this week/weekend and it will most likely be added to the repo.

Point is, if you want something to be changed, SMART is open source and you can post patches if you so please and it will be added to the repo, granted it has a point and is done correctly.

From: i luffs yeww
Post? Where can I see this post?

http://www.powerbot.org/vb/showthread.php?t=551262&p=5839928&viewfull=1#post5839928

Ice,

You just gave me a mini wall of text to neither answer or help me ;)

Also they were talking about Timer I believe.

Oh crap, yeah I was talking about timer. This thread is just full of miscommunication

From: MylesMadness
Oh crap, yeah I was talking about timer. This thread is just full of miscommunication

This.

Its painful to test in SCAR, and I don't really like leaving old versions of a program in official places. I do check to see if it exports all of the methods properly, but SCAR is notorious about not accepting sane input and instead complaining about it. I don't generally test on Simba either, to be honest, but I have test apps that simulate the way SCAR/Simba used to work. So yea. I'll be updating it soon with lots of changes, I guess I'll test in an old version of scar or something.

Also, your last reply was the most annoyingly passive aggressive thing I've ever read. Just saying.
E: ^ Was at the first page IceFire

From: moparisthebest
Bug report for Benland, though I'm not sure if it makes a difference or not, it very well might.

2 snippets from Main.cpp:

// first snippet
#ifndef NEWSCAR
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: AnsiString);",
#else
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: String);",
#endif

// second snippet
#ifndef NEWSCAR
    (char*)"sendKeys", (char*)"procedure SmartSendKeys(Text: String);",
#else
    (char*)"sendKeys", (char*)"procedure SmartSendKeys(Text: AnsiString);",
#endif

Notice how the first snippet is reversed? This causes the exports when compiled for Simba to be slightly messed up, as SmartSetup has a final parameter of type 'AnsiString' instead of 'String'. It should instead be switched like so:

#ifndef NEWSCAR
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: String);",
#else
    (char*)"setup", (char*)"procedure SmartSetup(root, params: String; width, height: Integer; initseq: AnsiString);",
#endif

Also, I'm not sure if the 'params' parameter is supposed to be String or AnsiString when compiled for SCAR, I'd think it might be messed up too.

If this made a difference, I'd expect it not to work in SCAR or Simba probably, if it currently does work then it's just a semantics issue. :)

It had to be AnsiString for a while because the plugin system in SCAR 3.25 wasn't finished, it had some issues because of the new unicode support introduced in Delphi 2009, though because of issues like this I've kept SCAR ansi only. The plugin system was finished a bit ago, it should no longer be required to use AnsiString in exports.

From: i luffs yeww
OOOHHH, you meant SMART. :x You said SCAR so I thought you meant that SMART was used specifically for SCAR, but I see now that you meant SMART, which makes entire sense. Not to be rude, but it's kinda unfair to say I misinterpreted which is my fault or anything since you said the wrong thing.

Really I don't think anyone but you had a hard time understanding that especially if you had read or understood any of the previous posts before that one like this one

From: IceFire908
If you cbf to fix it that's fine I really dgaf but it would be nice if you reverted to the SMART before this one in the none simba folder.

Then you would know what I was talking about, but it really doesn't matter. Nothing in this thread was ever intended for you, but thanks for wasting my time.

From: i luffs yeww
But! I know what you meant now. My apologies. Back on topic.

"Now I've pointed this out before, and apparently no one except Ben is allowed to touch it now."

If you mean he's the only one allowed to commit, then yes. But, if you post a patch that's useful (and works, or at least should work), then he will apply it and it'll be in the repo at some point. It's been done at least once recently, and I plan on posting a patch (or if he's on in irc just giving it to him) at some point this week/weekend and it will most likely be added to the repo.

Point is, if you want something to be changed, SMART is open source and you can post patches if you so please and it will be added to the repo, granted it has a point and is done correctly.

Well considering SMART is written in a language that I'm not familiar with and one BenLand is fluent enough in to write a program as complex as SMART in a plugin. I'm not about to go and learn the language SMART is written in and spend hours trying to understand enough just so I can do something BenLand can do in less than 10 minutes.

From: 3Garrett3
Ice,

You just gave me a mini wall of text to neither answer or help me ;)

Also they were talking about Timer I believe.

Did you miss this?

From: IceFire908
First of all, whether or not anyone at all uses SCAR is irrelevant. If you want to know the answer to such a question that is as off topic and derailing as that one, please do it somewhere else. I don't care where, no one wants this to be another simba vs SCAR thread, especially not me. And by discussing and asking such questions here is nearly impossible to avoid with this many people of such a 'small' attitude is only going to lead to exactly that.

All I'm going to say here in this thread, is that your statement is incorrect in this thread, because it is. If you want the answer to that question then follow the instructions listed above. It's real simple.

It's pretty clear I don't want to talk about that here, I answered your question, if you want an explanation you'll have to do it somewhere else. Bashing pit, off topic, MSN, AIM, it doesn't matter. This thread isn't the place.

From: BenLand100
Its painful to test in SCAR, and I don't really like leaving old versions of a program in official places. I do check to see if it exports all of the methods properly, but SCAR is notorious about not accepting sane input and instead complaining about it. I don't generally test on Simba either, to be honest, but I have test apps that simulate the way SCAR/Simba used to work. So yea. I'll be updating it soon with lots of changes, I guess I'll test in an old version of scar or something.

Also, your last reply was the most annoyingly passive aggressive thing I've ever read. Just saying.
E: ^ Was at the first page IceFire

Thanks, your latest commit actually works. Doesn't that feel better? Knowing your program actually works

From: BenLand100
Also, your last reply was the most annoyingly passive aggressive thing I've ever read. Just saying.
E: ^ Was at the first page IceFire

I'd take what you said seriously if it wasn't coming from a guy that prides himself on being a jackass.

You are in a very bad mood now, but I'll just mention that you said "it's irrelevant" which is simply side stepping the question. It is not making it a SCAR vs Simba thread, it is asking who else that you know of uses SCAR with SMART to auto RS (that's what you're talking about; the inability for you to use SCAR and SMART). You simply made it seem like lots of people use it for autoing RS but I've seen none. Then I was curious, I'm legit not trying to sound like a dick I just want to know.

From: IceFire908
Thanks, your latest commit actually works. Doesn't that feel better? Knowing your program actually works
I'd take what you said seriously if it wasn't coming from a guy that prides himself on being a jackass.

lol, umad bro? i don't have you're self-esteem issues, or wherever this comment came from, sorry. i don't base my self worth on whether or not a highly successful and widely used program of mine works in a rather outdated and buggy program. for that matter, it worked fine, there were just some kinks that needed working out in the compile process to get it to work in scar. and i might be a jackass, but i also know what i am doing. not listening to me just because you don't like how i operate seems kind of silly. can't we all just get along?

From: Freddy1990
It had to be AnsiString for a while because the plugin system in SCAR 3.25 wasn't finished, it had some issues because of the new unicode support introduced in Delphi 2009, though because of issues like this I've kept SCAR ansi only. The plugin system was finished a bit ago, it should no longer be required to use AnsiString in exports.

I'll test this in the next release, but iirc the issues presented here had something to do with String vs AnsiString. Don't quote me on that though.
E: I'm confused. I swear I downloaded SCAR off your website a few days ago, and I just looked and its v3.22 ? I guess this is what I'm trying to maintain compatibility with? I honestly don't know anymore.

From: BenLand100
lol, umad bro? i don't have you're self-esteem issues, or wherever this comment came from, sorry. i don't base my self worth on whether or not a highly successful and widely used program of mine works in a rather outdated and buggy program. for that matter, it worked fine, there were just some kinks that needed working out in the compile process to get it to work in scar. and i might be a jackass, but i also know what i am doing. not listening to me just because you don't like how i operate seems kind of silly. can't we all just get along?


I'll test this in the next release, but iirc the issues presented here had something to do with String vs AnsiString. Don't quote me on that though.
E: I'm confused. I swear I downloaded SCAR off your website a few days ago, and I just looked and its v3.22 ? I guess this is what I'm trying to maintain compatibility with? I honestly don't know anymore.

http://freddy1990.com/svn/scarprerelease/

From: IceFire908
Simba does things differently, here's a perfect example of a coder having problems adapting http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60368 to the new environment.

wow you have an example of one person who had issues. lets link to every other scripter thats used scar and switched to simba and doesnt have issues to counter your pointless argument.

Simba bitmap approach makes sense, you just have to understand it. I'll write some more information on it soon. New things take time to adopt, it's not weird some people have issues with the new system. It's different, but better. :) (imo)

Is there still other ways for jagex to detect SMART than detecting running progresses?

From: antti mies
Is there still other ways for jagex to detect SMART than detecting running progresses?

Probably, but they just think you're running a custom client.

From: IceFire908
Probably, but they just think you're running a custom client.

I rather not risk my main getting flagged that way :/

They don't check, and IceFire doesn't know what he's talking about anyway. SMART basically just looks like a generic browser with a firefox-esque user-agent.

From: BenLand100
They don't check, and IceFire doesn't know what he's talking about anyway. SMART basically just looks like a generic browser with a firefox-esque user-agent.

SMART doesn't currently send any user-agent (probably the default of Java/your_version_here) when it requests pages from jagex. It does send the correct user-agent when requesting the jar though.

Also, it doesn't have any SecurityManager like the real java plugin does, so it's still rather easily detectable from runescape's perspective. I'd advise not to use it on your main if you don't like the possibility of detection.

Before you all post about how they don't detect it, I'm not saying that they currently do, I don't know as I haven't looked recently. All I am saying is that they *could* detect it this way.

From: BenLand100
They don't check, and IceFire doesn't know what he's talking about anyway. SMART basically just looks like a generic browser with a firefox-esque user-agent.

Funny, you have access to Jagex's macro detection methods?

From: IceFire908
Funny, you have access to Jagex's macro detection methods?

Yea, actually I do, part of them anyway, and the information they gather for the rest of it. Funny thing is, there's this mystical thing called the Runescape Client that lets you play the game Runescape. You might have heard of it. See, you sort of interact with Jagex servers through that client, and since it's written in Java its pretty easy to see what sorts of things they look at. Not that you would know about the client though, since its super-secret. Seriously, though, IceFire, could you just piss off and stop posting in threads I make? You're just a troll wasting everyone's time.

Anyway, all of that is trivial to the long standing main account I've always used to test SMART, which is unbanned. Simply using SMART is not going to get you banned, end of story.

From: BenLand100
Yea, actually I do, part of them anyway, and the information they gather for the rest of it.

Server side too?

From: IceFire908
Server side too?

What about "part of them anyway, and the information they gather for the rest of it" did you not understand? Clearly, you understood none of it. I am done catering to you, cease and desist.

I think ben is correct in this case. He knows what he's doing, and from what I've heard from other poeple who also know what they're doing, they seem to be correct. There is crurently no code in Jagex's client which allows them to see anything from smart.

From: 3Garrett3
I think ben is correct in this case. He knows what he's doing, and from what I've heard from other poeple who also know what they're doing, they seem to be correct. There is crurently no code in Jagex's client which allows them to see anything from smart.

CURRENTLY. It can be done in about 3-4 lines of code though.

Is it true that the server side can only take what the client side can give?

From: Boreas
Is it true that the server side can only take what the client side can give?

The server side can take your IP, etc., which isn't "directly provided" by the RS client. But, in essence, yes.

From: Train
CURRENTLY. It can be done in about 3-4 lines of code though.

This is quite true, however, it's been this way for pushing 4 years now, so I think its pretty safe to assume Jagex doesn't care. For all their attacks on the botting community, not once have they targeted SMART or programs like it.