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a few weeks ago, JAD drops off the planet and is not longer on MSN?, he is just on MSN mobile and does not respond

I lent him my account a few times, as did many others for his merching experiments..

It all was going fine, but he slowly was losing my money…i thought nothing of it because he said he would make it up with his merchin…but a successful merch never occured..

Im in the hole about 100m…wtf is JAD doing?…i dont play RS anymore, but this hinders my sale value of my account :D

Yea lol I lost 200m or some shit to him too…as did others. Sorry but you're not getting your money back bro.

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54901
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55496

His personal life took a big hit. I've promised him I wouldn't say anything further. I've also lost a few 100M, but I know that he'll do his best to pay us back… eventually. He's not the type of guy to just leave. At least I hope not. I know it's been a while already, but give him some time.

From: Coh3n
His personal life took a big hit. I've promised him I wouldn't say anything further. I've also lost a few 100M, but I know that he'll do his best to pay us back… eventually. He's not the type of guy to just leave. At least I hope not. I know it's been a while already, but give him some time.

I know the story behind this as well, guys something happened. You just need to trust him, I honestly don't blame him.

Just let it go for awhile.

Let him come back in his own time.

Why shouldn't other people know what JAD is up to?

From: Wizzup?
Why shouldn't other people know what JAD is up to?

Its *really* one of those things not for anyone else to tell…

I dont see what could be soooo very bad

i mean a death in the family parents/siblings/grandparents, is extreme, but u can talk about it, divorce is very hard…but again u can talk about it

so he get raped?

From: _ChArMz
I dont see what could be soooo very bad

i mean a death in the family parents/siblings/grandparents, is extreme, but u can talk about it, divorce is very hard…but again u can talk about it

so he get raped?

Rape is the only thing I can think of that'd be too embarrasing to tell to practical strangers over the internet.. If his G-ma died or shit and he went to whores and drugs idk why couldn't he tell that.

So, assault rape and robbery.

From: _ChArMz
I dont see what could be soooo very bad

i mean a death in the family parents/siblings/grandparents, is extreme, but u can talk about it, divorce is very hard…but again u can talk about it

so he get raped?

I don't see how extreme a problem is changes anything. He owes a lot of people money; and he disappears without any reason. (So it seems to us) If it is serious then we can respect it, but he can't just wander off without telling us about it.

From: Wizzup?
I don't see how extreme a problem is changes anything. He owes a lot of people money; and he disappears without any reason. (So it seems to us) If it is serious then we can respect it, but he can't just wander off without telling us about it.

yes, i agree, thats what i was getting @

a statement needs to be made by JAD, or we rape him forreal :P

meh.

What if he was caught playing with himself with a blow up doll and another man sticking his…and his parents caught him, kicking him off the internet for awhile?

..well, you get my point. Something like that would change the opinion of him, and ruin his entire online rep. So I do feel a little guilt trying to force him to tell if that was the case. :redface:

From: Ejjman1
meh.

What if he was caught playing with himself with a blow up doll and another man sticking his…and his parents caught him, kicking him off the internet for awhile?

..well, you get my point. Something like that would change the opinion of him, and ruin his entire online rep. So I do feel a little guilt trying to force him to tell if that was the case. :redface:

He has told some members. (navatwo, Coh3n) It's family death. I hope we can let this rest for now?

From: Wizzup?
He has told some members. (navatwo, Coh3n) It's family death. I hope we can let this rest for now?

Ok thanks for clearing that up.

depends on which family member passed away, of course a parent commuting suicide would hit much harder than a grandparent passing in their sleep. For the first, I wouldn't care about anyone here either, the latter, it maybe could have been handled it better.
We just have to wait and see.

From: Brain
depends on which family member passed away, of course a parent commuting suicide would hit much harder than a grandparent passing in their sleep. For the first, I wouldn't care about anyone here either, the latter, it maybe could have been handled it better.
We just have to wait and see.

Lets just say its a big deal and leave it at that.

This is why it's best to stay away from long term account lending in the first place, even if it's someone trustable if anything goes wrong some one is always responsible for damages.

You guys could of told me it was something serious before I went spastic at him lol..oh well

From: The Claw
You guys could of told me it was something serious before I went spastic at him lol..oh well

Said not to.. :\

From: The Claw
You guys could of told me it was something serious before I went spastic at him lol..oh well

Was it completely unexpected that it's something very serious? :rolleyes:

From: marpis
Was it completely unexpected that it's something very serious? :rolleyes:

Yes. Considering there are so many scammers who just run off, it is unexpected behaviour. Try doing the same at your work. ;)

From: Wizzup?
Yes. Considering there are so many scammers who just run off, it is unexpected behaviour. Try doing the same at your work. ;)

I think what he's saying is that when people make excuses they generally do so with something serious to get pitty(?)

I might just be cynical, especially as it's so easy to lie on the internet, but it seems kind of strange that he borrows a bunch of accounts, hundreds of millions of gp disappear/is lost on them, still keeps selling gp (disregard the massive losses he caused) and then when it's time to pay back something horrible happens and he can't pay anyone back. Looking at the market value of gp it seems he caused +1000$ of losses to people, and he just gets away with it? It's ridiculously easy to lie on the internet, and the way I see it this is like ripping off your real-life friends for hundreds of dollars and then saying "oh internets issues, I'll pay you eventually".

From: GoF
I might just be cynical, especially as it's so easy to lie on the internet, but it seems kind of strange that he borrows a bunch of accounts, hundreds of millions of gp disappear/is lost on them, still keeps selling gp (disregard the massive losses he caused) and then when it's time to pay back something horrible happens and he can't pay anyone back. Looking at the market value of gp it seems he caused +1000$ of losses to people, and he just gets away with it? It's ridiculously easy to lie on the internet, and the way I see it this is like ripping off your real-life friends for hundreds of dollars and then saying "oh internets issues, I'll pay you eventually".

Upsetting him and accusing him will just get him more angry. There's a few things that could happen.

A) He is not lying. We say 'hope everything gets better.' When he returns, he pays everyone back. Time is lost, but money is returned.

B) He is not lying. We say 'he's a stealing scumbag.' When he returns, he says sorry that happened, but because you guys can't trust me, I am leaving this community, along with the money.

C) He is lying. We say 'hope everything gets better.' . He slips away from the community, leaving with our money.

D) He is lying. We say 'he's a stealing scumbag.' He is banned, and leaves with our money.

The way I see it, we have one option, and that's to trust him. I have always liked the guy, and I believe him.

He has seemed totally legit to me since the point where he paid my girlfriend over $100 for her services (helping him transfer gold). We can speculate all day about every part of this, but it won't do much good. We can only wait and see.

From: Brain
He has seemed totally legit to me since the point where he paid my girlfriend over $100 for her services (helping him transfer gold). We can speculate all day about every part of this, but it won't do much good. We can only wait and see.

You keep saying that like he was doing you a favour, he wouldnt of done it if he didnt profit off you.

From: The Claw
You keep saying that like he was doing you a favour, he wouldnt of done it if he didnt profit off you.

And why shouldn't he make a profit? Brain is just stating that, from his experience, JAD is a legitimate businessman.

It wouldn't make any sense for JAD to drop everything and run away. From what I understood, he was making quite a profit running his business, only something really serious could have forced him to give all that respect and success up. He's not malicious, he wouldn't have you guys lose tons of money, not to mention it's not as if he made a profit off of your losses.

From: GoF
I might just be cynical, especially as it's so easy to lie on the internet, but it seems kind of strange that he borrows a bunch of accounts, hundreds of millions of gp disappear/is lost on them, still keeps selling gp (disregard the massive losses he caused) and then when it's time to pay back something horrible happens and he can't pay anyone back. Looking at the market value of gp it seems he caused +1000$ of losses to people, and he just gets away with it? It's ridiculously easy to lie on the internet, and the way I see it this is like ripping off your real-life friends for hundreds of dollars and then saying "oh internets issues, I'll pay you eventually".

Correct me if I'm wrong in what I'm about to say, I haven't been around much, but from what I know of the situation: He 'borrowed' the accounts but the owners still had access to them. I haven't seen anything that indicates that he continued to sell gold after he owed people money. It's not as if "something horrible happened and he can't pay back", he simply hasn't had enough time to negotiate something between him and the people he owes money too. Lastly, he's not getting away with it. Nobody can pass judgement because nobody knows his side of the story nor what he's going to do about it, yet, and there's no point in doing anything until he's actually here.

well Claw, if nobody was making money nobody would hire anybody to work for them…(welcome to the real world…?)
so to me, it was a favor, he let her do the work and she got paid.

Agree with Ejjman. I don't see any point in discussing this.

From: Tad
Correct me if I'm wrong in what I'm about to say, I haven't been around much, but from what I know of the situation: He 'borrowed' the accounts but the owners still had access to them. I haven't seen anything that indicates that he continued to sell gold after he owed people money. It's not as if "something horrible happened and he can't pay back", he simply hasn't had enough time to negotiate something between him and the people he owes money too. Lastly, he's not getting away with it. Nobody can pass judgement because nobody knows his side of the story nor what he's going to do about it, yet, and there's no point in doing anything until he's actually here.

Iirc he borrowed the accounts to make money on them and then sell it off of them. From what I read from The Claw's (who's word I trust over JAD's) posts in this thread he was still selling gold after The Claw's huge losses and refused to contact him even though he was online on msn. In this kind of a situation he should instantly and thoroughly explain his situation and let everyone he owes know about this instead of just vanishing and telling a couple people he has real-life issues. Most people would do exactly the same thing if they fucked up so majorly as he did.

And no, I will not give him sympathy as too often people just instantly go "aww poor him, he couldn't have done anything bad" in these situations, not only here at SRL. From what I've read and observed I can very easily pass judgement on this. People have betrayed online communities and even real-life friends for way smaller sums, although this is kind of a difficult situation as it's hard to prove whether or not he took the money or just lost it.

If he does pay people back I will admit I was wrong and raise my virtual hat for him, but from the looks of this situation it doesn't seem to be happening. I judge people somewhat harshly on the internet, but in the past I have almost always been correct in these situations, although not really here on SRL as there's rarely any conflicts here.

From: GoF
Iirc he borrowed the accounts to make money on them and then sell it off of them. From what I read from The Claw's (who's word I trust over JAD's) posts in this thread he was still selling gold after The Claw's huge losses and refused to contact him even though he was online on msn. In this kind of a situation he should instantly and thoroughly explain his situation and let everyone he owes know about this instead of just vanishing and telling a couple people he has real-life issues. Most people would do exactly the same thing if they fucked up so majorly as he did.

If he was selling gold, it wasn't off the accounts that everyone lost money on (he'd have to make money to pay everyone from somewhere, right?). Plus, I don't think he was selling gold. Claw said that his status continued to say he was selling gold, and that he'd updated it very recently, but I'm inclined to doubt the latter part. I'm not saying Claw was lying, but I'm guessing that Claw didn't correctly estimate the time of the status update. If my assumption is correct (which we'll never know, I guess), it renders Jad's status meaningless, because he could have simply not bothered to change it.

I'm not sure where you see the refusal of contact even though they were both online. And lastly, I think the thread leads the Claw's losses not being JAD's fault (I'm assuming Claw acknowledges this, since he said he doesn't care about it after I pointed out that if he had followed JAD's advice he wouldn't have lost anything).

From: Tad
If he was selling gold, it wasn't off the accounts that everyone lost money on (he'd have to make money to pay everyone from somewhere, right?). Plus, I don't think he was selling gold. Claw said that his status continued to say he was selling gold, and that he'd updated it very recently, but I'm inclined to doubt the latter part. I'm not saying Claw was lying, but I'm guessing that Claw didn't correctly estimate the time of the status update. If my assumption is correct (which we'll never know, I guess), it renders Jad's status meaningless, because he could have simply not bothered to change it.

I'm not sure where you see the refusal of contact even though they were both online. And lastly, I think the thread leads the Claw's losses not being JAD's fault (I'm assuming Claw acknowledges this, since he said he doesn't care about it after I pointed out that if he had followed JAD's advice he wouldn't have lost anything).

He did update his status, he was on MSN mobile though. Changed his price from $3 to $2.75 per mill, or the other way around, cant remember. This was during the time between the crash and him ignoring my attempts to communicate through PM, MSN, and SSRL forums - my point here is that he was online at least once, also evidenced by the fact he had logged on to my account and cancelled some GE buying offers for chocolate bars (shows he knew they crashed, or that he had finished dumping on me/others), but didnt tell me what was happening. Apparantly he told some other people though.

What I meant by saying I didnt care anymore was that I didn't care about trying to convince other people who had misinterpreted the situation (such as yourself, not your fault though..) because theres not really any point as not many people are directly involved and since I know now hes not scamming (when all evidence seemed to point towards saying he was) community pressure won't do anything. Bad idea to take it to public forums now I know the full situation, I was thinking if he was scamming the impact of other people knowing could have on his business/his relationships with people here and so on would change his mind or at least make him see where he went wrong, as hes generally a good guy.

I still blame him for mine and everyone elses losses, as it was completely his fault the merch went bad…And if a merch clan dumps an item on you/your item crashes/whatever, you don't just hold on to that item forever - you get rid of it trying to make as little loss as possible, which is what I did. The whole point of my posts was that he didnt leave any instructions for anyone to follow - he just dissapeared for weeks, leaving us all in the dark and losing money, with no idea if he'd ever be back, or if we'd just gotten scammed, or what, and didnt respond to any attempt to contact him even though it was a fact he had come online at least once. When it would of taken him 20 seconds to type "hey dude im gonna be away for a while, family issues or whatever, so get rid of your chocolate bars asap" which would of completely avoided this whole situation…..

I wouldn't have gone after him like I did if I knew he had a death in the family, him saying "I've got real life issues and its none of your business so butt-out" doesnt cut it - it's aggressive aloof scammer behaviour that we've all seen many times by actual scammers. Especially when that's his response weeks after the event - if he had of said it the day he cancelled the GE offers, it would of been much more believable and I wouldnt of been annoyed because merch's go bad all the time, and I would of profited.

GoF gets it. :p