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Anyone got a old copy of the SRL reflection source and include laying around? If so, could you please attach it here? Thanks :)

https://github.com/SRL/SRL-Reflection-2 ?
or
https://github.com/SRL/srl-reflection

From: x[Warrior]x3500
https://github.com/SRL/SRL-Reflection-2 ?
or
https://github.com/SRL/srl-reflection

How do I download the whole project from there lol

Theres an option to download it as a zip file - its the one with the cloud and zip right next to it.

ninja'd by core :P

Got it thanks

Why do you want it lol? its heavily outdated + smart doesn't even support it anymore.

omfg it looks so hawt i wish I could use it

2007 reflection botting o.o… what if…
Lol, possibilities oh the possibilities

Why do you want to bring back reflection?

From: Justin
Why do you want to bring back reflection?

Because it allowed us to click things without actually seeing them? We could walk by coordinates? ie. more fail-safe?

From: Justin
Why do you want to bring back reflection?

mostly for the tile walk and more reliable combat scripts could be made

From: RJJ95
mostly for the tile walk and more reliable combat scripts could be made

I will definitely be willing to help with this<3 I was thinking about it for the walking XD

no challenge :p

From: SRLKing
I will definitely be willing to help with this<3 I was thinking about it for the walking XD

I think most of reflection devs are inactive though :s

You cannot grab fields with the current smart. Easy enough once we get the field getting methods back into smart and some hooks

From: JPHamlett
You cannot grab fields with the current smart. Easy enough once we get the field getting methods back into smart and some hooks

So wait this is being looked into?

From: RJJ95
So wait this is being looked into?

Never said that.

The methods of tile walking, npc finding, and so on are easy once the hooks are there.

How does this reflection work does it just read the memory of runescape. I know how injection works by injecting code into the runescape client and being able to tell it what to do.

From: tristen8878
How does this reflection work does it just read the memory of runescape. I know how injection works by injecting code into the runescape client and being able to tell it what to do.

It reads the code (ie. reflects)

From: litoris
It reads the code (ie. reflects)

So it just reads runescape code and does zero injecting?

From: tristen8878
So it just reads runescape code and does zero injecting?

Basically yes. It would still be trackable to some extent though.

From: Netzone
Basically yes. It would still be trackable to some extent though.

Which is where the mixed feelings come in, better botting vs less detectable.

From: Lord Waffles
Which is where the mixed feelings come in, better botting vs less detectable.

I only want it for walking. and random event solving.

From: Netzone
Basically yes. It would still be trackable to some extent though.

It's not trackable if done correctly, avoiding all the Jagex catches,

But Jagex have said they are going to bring "current anti botting technologies" to the client, so it will be a legal crapstorm again soon :/

So I don't think it's a good use of time, maybe if a few months pass and they don't change the client

Reflection isn't really worth looking into.
We don't have an active team of reflection developers for one, and two, what happens when they make the switch to HTML5? We could have used that time to better the SRL include, and not worried about reflection.

From: DannyRS
It's not trackable if done correctly, avoiding all the Jagex catches,

But Jagex have said they are going to bring "current anti botting technologies" to the client, so it will be a legal crapstorm again soon :/

So I don't think it's a good use of time, maybe if a few months pass and they don't change the client

wonder what kind of technologies they will bring.. the new clusterflutter

From: NKN
Reflection isn't really worth looking into.
We don't have an active team of reflection developers for one, and two, what happens when they make the switch to HTML5? We could have used that time to better the SRL include, and not worried about reflection.

SRL-OSR could use reflection, Old School Runescape will probably never be converted to HTML5.

From: Benny
wonder what kind of technologies they will bring.. the new clusterflutter

that and the encryption thing that made reading their code a copyright breach violation I guess :p

From: NKN
Reflection isn't really worth looking into.
We don't have an active team of reflection developers for one, and two, what happens when they make the switch to HTML5? We could have used that time to better the SRL include, and not worried about reflection.

I'm pretty sure we could find active people, but it's just not worth the legal issues :p like you say, use the time to better the color Include

From: DannyRS
that and the encryption thing that made reading their code a copyright breach violation I guess :p



I'm pretty sure we could find active people, but it's just not worth the legal issues :p like you say, use the time to better the color Include

I don't think there are any legal issues(?) as long as you don't change the code like injection does.

From: core
http://www.jagex.com/g=runescape/terms/terms.ws#intellectual_property

"You must not reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any Jagex Product client software in any way"

In order to successfully implement reflection, you must first discover/identify the structures (objects/methods/fields) that you will be referencing. So while I'm not sure that using developed reflection is against that particular term, the act and process of developing using reflection certainly appears to be.

ToS isn't law.

From: core
In general ToS may be legally binding unless it violates any federal or local laws, the same as any contract.

The interesting part is that there are several ways in which Jagex limits the enforcability of this particular ToS. It is missing several key clauses and has specific wording that weakens its strength, especially internationally. It appears that its main purpose is to defend it against litigation, rather than to use as a basis for litigation. However, they may still use it as support in a lawsuit that is based on other claims, particularly use in bad faith related to diminishing the value of a product or service such as subscription revenue.

The ToS as well as the Rules of Conduct are cited in section 9 of JAGEX LIMITED v. IMPULSE SOFTWARE (aka rs bot).

The specific laws that are used as the grounds for enforcement are:


This is applicable because:


Other parts of the complaint are based on their bot incorporating Jagex intellectual property (images and name), as well as facilitating other users to break the ToS.

Jagex won this case on all counts, creating precedent and broadened the avenue for similar complaints to be held valid by the court in the future.

Complaint: http://www.scribd.com/doc/131525869/JaGeX-vs-Impulse
Obligatory IANAL/TINLA

They even claimed copywrite over the skill icons lol

From: core
In general ToS may be legally binding unless it violates any federal or local laws, the same as any contract.

The interesting part is that there are several ways in which Jagex limits the enforcability of this particular ToS. It is missing several key clauses and has specific wording that weakens its strength, especially internationally. It appears that its main purpose is to defend it against litigation, rather than to use as a basis for litigation. However, they may still use it as support in a lawsuit that is based on other claims, particularly use in bad faith related to diminishing the value of a product or service such as subscription revenue.

The ToS as well as the Rules of Conduct are cited in section 9 of JAGEX LIMITED v. IMPULSE SOFTWARE (aka rs bot).

The specific laws that are used as the grounds for enforcement are:


This is applicable because:


Other parts of the complaint are based on their bot incorporating Jagex intellectual property (images and name), as well as facilitating other users to break the ToS.

Jagex won this case on all counts, creating precedent and broadened the avenue for similar complaints to be held valid by the court in the future.

Complaint: http://www.scribd.com/doc/131525869/JaGeX-vs-Impulse
Obligatory IANAL/TINLA

If I'm right in saying, does this mean that anyone who uses an injection client is at risk of legal issues, due to using a modified game client, while those that use reflection aren't, as it any reads "reflected" information? Although, I can't imagine Jagex would nver bother pursuing individual botting client uses

From: Richard
If I'm right in saying, does this mean that anyone who uses an injection client is at risk of legal issues, due to using a modified game client, while those that use reflection aren't, as it any reads "reflected" information? Although, I can't imagine Jagex would nver bother pursuing individual botting client uses

Paris isn't.
They have some lawyers who fixed everything, meh.

AFAIK, Oldschool is still legal. None of these security measures were added yet, making it still legal to inject/reflect oldschool.

:S Doesn't seem illegal to me.. Only things I can think of is that "copying, reproducing,
making, displaying, importing, selling, and/or distributing the Software in conjunction with
selling Defendants’ Bots without authorization from Jagex" got them in trouble?

Reproducing someone else's (Jagex's) client is illegal? :S I don't see anything there that says Injection/Reflection is illegal.
There is no law that I know of that says you cannot reverse engineer something.

As far as I know, in terms of client hacking:
EoC: Illegal/questionably legal in the United States
2007: Legal

From: core
Could you explain how it (accessing private variables, as has already been entered as a clarification to the law through precedent by the judgement in favor of Jagex's claim) doesn't violate Section 1201 Subsection 2, which I quote below directly from the law?


(I'm not personally against injection or reflection, et. al, I'm genuinely interested in getting to the bottom of this)

Skype me, it'll be easier that way cause I'm trying to get some work done atm.

From: core
Could you explain how it (accessing private variables, as has already been entered as a clarification to the law through precedent by the judgement in favor of Jagex's claim) doesn't violate Section 1201 Subsection 2, which I quote below directly from the law?


(I'm not personally against injection or reflection, et. al, I'm genuinely interested in getting to the bottom of this)

These laws you mentioned seems to be pretty subjective.. How come GameShark and Action-Replay still exist?
GameShark/Action-Replay specifically exists to circumvent technological measures against cheating in almost every single game..

Why is Jailbreaking legal if it is made specifically to break the iPhone's security despite what Apple and the law says? Actually, it was deemed legal by the supreme court in the US.

I can't even count on my fingers the amount of programs that circumvent Valve's Anti-Cheat system as well as Websites dedicated to breaking it with loaders and what not.. These are legal because it help's reverse engineers learn.

I believe it becomes illegal when you begin to actually copy code or modify someone's code and redistribute it for profit such as what PB and the two brothers did? Yet PB still exists.. How about RSBuddy? RSBuddy wasn't illegal at all :S

The amount of illegal stuff on sites like hackforums is overwhelming..

I dont see why everyone wants reflection for walking. I find walking one of the easiest things to do. Ive never had a problem once i get a good method of ATPA's/Custom SPS. It works flawlessly for days until i stop it o.O

From: Itankbots
I dont see why everyone wants reflection for walking. I find walking one of the easiest things to do. Ive never had a problem once i get a good method of ATPA's/Custom SPS. It works flawlessly for days until i stop it o.O

Because SPS guess's were you are which isn't always accurate, tiles are 100% accurate

From: RJJ95
Because SPS guess's were you are which isn't always accurate, tiles are 100% accurate

Custom SPS map.
100% accuracy.

From: NKN
Custom SPS map.
100% accuracy.

Not 100% as in tile walking. You can't make sure you land on a specific square with SPS. It is good enough accuracy for general walking purposes tough.

From: litoris
Not 100% as in tile walking. You can't make sure you land on a specific square with SPS. It is good enough accuracy for general walking purposes tough.

There was a function somewhere that let you get to the exact tile. It's somewhere around here, few months old.

On the topic of walking, the reason reflection is considered "better" is due to the efficiency as well as accuracy. Although I've never actually looked at the SPS code, I can image the algorithm would require a lot of searching through parts of the map to determine its position. Reflection, on the other hand, is working with smaller and fewer numbers. (this is all pretty assumptious knowledge from me, I could be wrong)

From: Richard
On the topic of walking, the reason reflection is considered "better" is due to the efficiency as well as accuracy. Although I've never actually looked at the SPS code, I can image the algorithm would require a lot of searching through parts of the map to determine its position. Reflection, on the other hand, is working with smaller and fewer numbers. (this is all pretty assumptious knowledge from me, I could be wrong)

Exactly ;)

@MKN, theres a function that walks to exact tile, but it's a bit buggy :/

We can't really compete with Java walking tbh, but we can get close enough in most cases