SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

Why? Why should new people be able to leech freely. I thought this site was about learning. Doesn't anti-leech promote that?

Anti-leech only creates mass frustration, spam, and leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths about villavu. We decided to get rid of it many years ago and with the sudden large influx of users and the return of people using anti-leech we reopened the discussion and talked about it at great length. From that discussion we have decided we do not want to be that type of community. Yes we are about learning rather than ravaging the RS economy, however, people should be encouraged to learn not forced. Forcing someone to learn something will only leave a bad impression of it. It also creates tension between the new users and the old users. There have been many posts and questions on the IRC "How do I fix this ant-leech" and it has gotten on peoples nerves and shorted their patience with new user. Then when a user has a legitimate question (not about anti-leech) but they are trying to learn, they are viciously attacked by multiple member. Is that the kind of community we want to be? To burn ourselves out so much that we attack or ignore the few that want to learn?

So in short: If you think your script will be abused, don't post it or post a "lite" version of it without banking or something like that.

Even if we removed antileech people are still not going to search and will abuse members for not 'making dem gud scripz'.

As far as that goes, how are we defining anti-leech?

For the following situations, are they all, or are only some considered anti-leech:
1)Adding purposeful waits based on existing variables - functionality unchanged, just time delays.
2)Simple compilation errors.
3)Removing key methods.
3A)As an extension to that, leaving some sort of functionality in place: fishing. Yet including a broken form of banking. Script perfectly capable of running outside that broken banking.

From: Hobbit
Anti-leech only creates mass frustration, spam, and leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths about villavu. We decided to get rid of it many years ago and with the sudden large influx of users and the return of people using anti-leech we reopened the discussion and talked about it at great length. From that discussion we have decided we do not want to be that type of community. Yes we are about learning rather than ravaging the RS economy, however, people should be encouraged to learn not forced. Forcing someone to learn something will only leave a bad impression of it. It also creates tension between the new users and the old users. There have been many posts and questions on the IRC "How do I fix this ant-leech" and it has gotten on peoples nerves and shorted their patience with new user. Then when a user has a legitimate question (not about anti-leech) but they are trying to learn, they are viciously attacked by multiple member. Is that the kind of community we want to be? To burn ourselves out so much that we attack or ignore the few that want to learn?

So in short: If you think your script will be abused, don't post it or post a "lite" version of it without banking or something like that.

I like seeing steps taken, such as what you just mentioned.
I enjoy games and what not, but overall I enjoy learning far more.
Good news in my book
-Lj
:)

Yeah, finally I'm going to get my script to work…jk
OT: I think that we might look better if we have no anti-leech because it might reduce the spam and there will be Boone trying to fix it for $$ on other forums like pb or sythe.

From: Hobbit
So in short: If you think your script will be abused, don't post it or post a "lite" version of it without banking or something like that.

IMO this is the best way to go about it.

Don't blame me if I accidently forget a semicolon or some thing :3

So would my LRC antileech still be ok?

^^@Sin Asha, you ninja'd me.

You SRL members always beat me to near death for a missing semi-colon, or comment..

Not the face! Please, not the face!

From: Ashaman88
So would my LRC antileech still be ok?

Yeah I hope so :)

It would be nice to have something like , a lite version for example, and to get another more advanced version with added features, the interested users would have to fill out a form or answer some questions (randomly about the script's logic or whatever ):D - that's not an anti leech but another way to make them look over the code at least :)

Full support for this. This will not increase the amount of people leeching, it will rather tune down the amount of abusable scripts we have.

From: Ashaman88
So would my LRC antileech still be ok?

Would guess so… Yours is even better than an anti-leech, it has the cool stuff included, you just have to find it…
Would be even more fun if you removed any mention of banking etc. from the first post in the thread :D

Well it was fun till it lasted. I liked the raging newbs :(

So we can release scripts that run prefectly well, ie no anti leech stopping them working.

but they have an added surprise, ie singing Taylor swift randomly?

Anyone that looks over the script will see a clearly named "sing" procedure and easily find when it is called in the main loop so can remove it very very easily but it does not degrade the performance of the script otherwise in any way, is allowed?

From: wthomas
So we can release scripts that run prefectly well, ie no anti leech stopping them working.

but they have an added surprise, ie singing Taylor swift randomly?

Anyone that looks over the script will see a clearly named "sing" procedure and easily find when it is called in the main loop so can remove it very very easily but it does not degrade the performance of the script otherwise in any way, is allowed?

It's your script? Why not make it sing? I know for a fact my ones will have dance breaks with rebecca black

From: wthomas
So we can release scripts that run prefectly well, ie no anti leech stopping them working.

but they have an added surprise, ie singing Taylor swift randomly?

Anyone that looks over the script will see a clearly named "sing" procedure and easily find when it is called in the main loop so can remove it very very easily but it does not degrade the performance of the script otherwise in any way, is allowed?

I know for a fact that there were scripts that made an emote when you leveled up :)

From: xtrapsp
It's your script? Why not make it sing? I know for a fact my ones will have dance breaks with rebecca black

Lol :D would be nice to see that actually happen on a massive scale in rs :D

I'd like if my scripts gets abused. Why not? I don't release scripts for 'learning' purposes, but simply because i want people touse them.
For 'learning' purposes, write a tut!

From: superuser
I'd like if my scripts gets abused. Why not? I don't release scripts for 'learning' purposes, but simply because i want people touse them.
For 'learning' purposes, write a tut!

People learn to write your code by reading someone else's. And this is the most effective learning. Even in programming. And in all the scripting is much easier, so whatever manual you did not write it will be for beginners. The rest is a matter of practice.

Would it be acceptable to have a script that stops after 1 loop, unless they know how to make it run longer?

With all of these questions about what can and can't be done, I would like to see a clear set of guidelines that everyone can follow before releasing a script (in terms of anti-leech specifically).

I'm no scriptor but can they do things like make the script have super long wait times between hitting an ore for example or is that anti-leech as well?

From: superuser
I'd like if my scripts gets abused. Why not? I don't release scripts for 'learning' purposes, but simply because i want people touse them.
For 'learning' purposes, write a tut!

i learned 90% from other peoples code

From: RJJ95
i learned 90% from other peoples code

I think that is how every one learns, or expands what they know at least.

From: Noob King
I think that is how every one learns, or expands what they know at least.

all of my procedures are pretty much mutents of other peoples,they start out as a exact copy then evolve into something i made :)

Yes, the current guidelines will be updated and clarified.

From: Hobbit
Yes, the current guidelines will be updated and clarified.

Thank-you.

From: Hobbit
Anti-leech only creates mass frustration, spam, and leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths about villavu. We decided to get rid of it many years ago and with the sudden large influx of users and the return of people using anti-leech we reopened the discussion and talked about it at great length. From that discussion we have decided we do not want to be that type of community. Yes we are about learning rather than ravaging the RS economy, however, people should be encouraged to learn not forced. Forcing someone to learn something will only leave a bad impression of it. It also creates tension between the new users and the old users. There have been many posts and questions on the IRC "How do I fix this ant-leech" and it has gotten on peoples nerves and shorted their patience with new user. Then when a user has a legitimate question (not about anti-leech) but they are trying to learn, they are viciously attacked by multiple member. Is that the kind of community we want to be? To burn ourselves out so much that we attack or ignore the few that want to learn?

So in short: If you think your script will be abused, don't post it or post a "lite" version of it without banking or something like that.

Well Said. Additionally, I believe that exploitation of scripts are inevitable irrelevant of the question of antileaches or not. I also believe that including anti-leaches really sets up the potential for someone that can fix it to start selling help over skype or other methods which is clearly unacceptable.

Personally, I've never used antileech simply because I didn't want the spam. Hovever, I have seen very new users posting about how they solved an antileech and thanked the scripter because they were glad to have learned.
That being said, the suggestion of releasing a "light" version is probably the best option for those who want to restrict how their work is used.

I am not part of the staff, but I will try to answer some questions based on what I think the staff wants.

[INDENT]"Adding purposeful waits based on existing variables - functionality unchanged, just time delays."[/INDENT]

There is always this grey area. It is hard to draw a line here. If the script for example is a green dragon fighter and it waits extra long before picking up bones, therefor sometimes losing them, I would say no. But also a rune essence miner, which pauses your char at weird spots looks detectable, we won't want users to get banned! I think if the waits are at good spots, that aren't detectable by other players, that it would be okay.

[INDENT]"Simple compilation errors."[/INDENT]

No, that would beat the purpose of this forum. We don't want people to spam compilation errors here, not do we want to make running scripts harder then it is. Imagine if your copy of windows came with a few "easy fixable compilation errors" in its kernel. That would kinda suck.

[INDENT]"Removing key methods."[/INDENT]

Perfectly fine. We used to have a lot of these back in the days. A fish bot which doesn't bank? perfect. Make sure that it drops all its fish of course. You can still release the script to members+ if you want to release it with the banking methods too. But a fighter bot which doesn't eat food is already pushing the limits. We don't want dead users :P

[INDENT]"Would it be acceptable to have a script that stops after 1 loop, unless they know how to make it run longer?"[/INDENT]

No, I don't think that would be right. Just see it like this: "Everything released in the public forum should be usable by non scripters". So you can't expect people to fix your script.

I feel like this is a big step backwards

From: slixor
I feel like this is a big step backwards

No… we won't suddenly start to release frost dragon killers and such just because antileech is banned. Read my post above, this will increase quality.

From: masterBB
I am not part of the staff, but I will try to answer some questions based on what I think the staff wants.

[INDENT]"Adding purposeful waits based on existing variables - functionality unchanged, just time delays."[/INDENT]

There is always this grey area. It is hard to draw a line here. If the script for example is a green dragon fighter and it waits extra long before picking up bones, therefor sometimes losing them, I would say no. But also a rune essence miner, which pauses your char at weird spots looks detectable, we won't want users to get banned! I think if the waits are at good spots, that aren't detectable by other players, that it would be okay.

[INDENT]"Simple compilation errors."[/INDENT]

No, that would beat the purpose of this forum. We don't want people to spam compilation errors here, not do we want to make running scripts harder then it is. Imagine if your copy of windows came with a few "easy fixable compilation errors" in its kernel. That would kinda suck.

[INDENT]"Removing key methods."[/INDENT]

Perfectly fine. We used to have a lot of these back in the days. A fish bot which doesn't bank? perfect. Make sure that it drops all its fish of course. You can still release the script to members+ if you want to release it with the banking methods too. But a fighter bot which doesn't eat food is already pushing the limits. We don't want dead users :P

[INDENT]"Would it be acceptable to have a script that stops after 1 loop, unless they know how to make it run longer?"[/INDENT]

No, I don't think that would be right. Just see it like this: "Everything released in the public forum should be usable by non scripters". So you can't expect people to fix your script.

I find this quite agreeable (or perhaps even include extra functionality that simply isn't called by default, such as said banking). Perhaps an official statement from @Hobbit would help greatly in upcoming changes for scripts currently implementing the unapproved forms of leech protection?

Edit: Also, what are public thoughts on adding some sort of initialization check for levels that may not be pertinent to running the script. Easy to remove the check, and usable even without - granted the side "requirements" are met.

I don't know anything about making scripts, but i want to learn! If all scripts was just click and go, it would give me no incentive to even look into the program at all. As there is some kind of anti leech, it does make me look into it abit more. I hope to learn something in my time here :)

From: CynicRus
People learn to write your code by reading someone else's. And this is the most effective learning. Even in programming. And in all the scripting is much easier, so whatever manual you did not write it will be for beginners. The rest is a matter of practice.

No it isn't. No one can just learn programming by looking at any code or script. You first have to read a tutorial on how things work then you can start to look at code and see how other people do things and put their ideas together.

To Everyone else:

Putting anti-leech in a script only gets the users interested in removing it and after that, they forget all about coding. They learn only the essentials to allow them to remove it.

For example, I only learned assembly to allow me to crack applications and reverse stuff.. I'm not going to spend my time writing assembly at all! I only learned scripting because the scripts I wanted did not exist and no one would make them for me and at the time, the requests for such scripts were low.

I doubt anyone learned scripting from anti-leech. The people who script learned scripting because they wanted to make something that did not exist or because they're competitive or curious. If everyone was a pro scripter/programmer, there'd be almost no users/consumers.

Anti-leech? Without leeches, who really uses your scripts? Other members? No.. not really.. they use it sometimes because they'd be lazy to write their own and it's convenient since it already exists. Leeches are the ones who report bugs and better a script and use it for every single thing that it's worth. If only people knew how to treat them or get them to give you the information to fix the script.. THEN you'd have a perfect script that works for everyone. Without leeches I don't think there'd even be a villavu. PB's user base is pretty large. Ours is small but we have smarter leeches than them. They don't have leeches. They have a-holes.


IF you think about it, why do users come to "Villavu.com"? I mean powerbot is wayyyy easier to setup.. It has every script for a leecher.. It's their dream spot.. But has anyone given thought to why someone would just come here? There has to be a reason and I think that reason is to actually do something or learn something. I mean.. the website url is pretty random..

From: Brandon
Anti-leech? Without leeches, who really uses your scripts? Other members? No.. not really.. they use it sometimes because they'd be lazy to write their own and it's convenient since it already exists. Leeches are the ones who report bugs and better a script and use it for every single thing that it's worth. If only people knew how to treat them or get them to give you the information to fix the script.. THEN you'd have a perfect script that works for everyone. Without leeches I don't think there'd even be a villavu. PB's user base is pretty large. Ours is small but we have smarter leeches than them. They don't have leeches. They have a-holes.

Actually, if they report bugs and stuff in a script they use, they aren't leeches. They're contributing. They're leeches if they just use the script and go, not reporting anything whatsoever (a simple "This is working great for me!" or something would suffice) or if they ask for everything to be given to them right away with no patience or willingness to learn at all. The rest of your post I fully agree with though.

@Hobbit Thanks for the post, it changed my mind somewhat on the subject ;)

Very bad decision IMO. Script writers should have more freedom in how they release their scripts (obviously obfuscating shouldn't be allowed, because that's an outright security risk), but anti-leech is essentially releasing a script that isn't fully functioning, something which would incredibly unjust to remove a script over.

Many people wish to release scripts to a wide audience, but without all these script kiddies that come along and just want to abuse. You're removing freedom from your community members in order to get more forum members, not exactly the SRL way, hmm?

The only way I would see this decision as justified is if we were to reinstate the old 7-day/10-post wait, this irons out all the incredibly impatient script users who just want to abuse our abundance of scripts.

Not the best decision I've seen the staff make, I'll be honest. Even if this is a very old rule.

TL;DR Reinstate the 7-day wait, then maintain this rule.

From: Brandon
IF you think about it, why do users come to "Villavu.com"? I mean powerbot is wayyyy easier to setup.. It has every script for a leecher.. It's their dream spot.. But has anyone given thought to why someone would just come here? There has to be a reason and I think that reason is to actually do something or learn something. I mean.. the website url is pretty random..

Some users come to villavu because it is a safer botting platform meaning there is a less chance of having there main banned, and I completely agree with the rest of your post you make a good point.

I can see a near future where the price of bottable goods (ores/logs/etc) drops quickly.

With jag cracking down on PB and other injection style bots we will get more of their community comming here. I dont like the mentality of the injection bot user base. Anti-leech can be useful to discourage the riff-raff from comming here.

In my opinion there should be a set type of anti-leech that is allowed. Disabling the banking section of a script until an anti-leech is solved would help with some of these issues.

Botting for levels or the cash to train with is okay in my opinion, but botting purely for profit is not.

If there was no anti leach i would have just snagged all the scripts and took off tbh. Instead i'm actually able to write my own simple scripts now. They are definitely a good thing.

ATM it is looking like we are going to put in place a system like we had a few years ago. Have a section of scripts accessible when you firs register that will only consist of non-banking (ie power levellers) or 'Lite' versions of scripts. You will need to have a certain number of posts and be registered for a certain amount of time to access the banking (amusable) scripts. Details are still being ironed out but this looks like the best solution for everyone ATM.

From: Hobbit
ATM it is looking like we are going to put in place a system like we had a few years ago. Have a section of scripts accessible when you firs register that will only consist of non-banking (ie power levellers) or 'Lite' versions of scripts. You will need to have a certain number of posts and be registered for a certain amount of time to access the banking (amusable) scripts. Details are still being ironed out but this looks like the best solution for everyone ATM.

This sounds like it is probably the best option. There are definitely pros and cons for both arguments, and this option seems like the halfway point between both. It will be good to see more details when they are released.

From: Hobbit
ATM it is looking like we are going to put in place a system like we had a few years ago. Have a section of scripts accessible when you firs register that will only consist of non-banking (ie power levellers) or 'Lite' versions of scripts. You will need to have a certain number of posts and be registered for a certain amount of time to access the banking (amusable) scripts. Details are still being ironed out but this looks like the best solution for everyone ATM.

Brilliant news :) The right direction for the community, in my opinion. We'll do our best as a community to help and encourage people with programming during their wait period.

From: Hobbit
ATM it is looking like we are going to put in place a system like we had a few years ago. Have a section of scripts accessible when you firs register that will only consist of non-banking (ie power levellers) or 'Lite' versions of scripts. You will need to have a certain number of posts and be registered for a certain amount of time to access the banking (amusable) scripts. Details are still being ironed out but this looks like the best solution for everyone ATM.

I agree with the wait time, but I think the post requirement will just cause people to spam to get it.

A post-count is to some extent arbitrary, and making a required one encourages needless spam.

All you devs know what warrants as an anti-leech and what does not, you are only asking if it's allowed because you know it goes against the idea of the new rule. Even a small detail means you intentionally left something unfinished.

I understand where you're coming from and all, it's just that it ultimately only leads to new dudes like me constantly annoying all the older members for the same small fixes.

Now the idea of a script that doesn't have banking, but does have a thread where members have helped write the banking for it. That actually sounds like I might learn something, and it doesn't leave me feeling like you handed me a broken gameshark and told me to find someone to help me fix it.

From: Hobbit
Anti-leech only creates mass frustration, spam, and leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths about villavu. We decided to get rid of it many years ago and with the sudden large influx of users and the return of people using anti-leech we reopened the discussion and talked about it at great length. From that discussion we have decided we do not want to be that type of community. Yes we are about learning rather than ravaging the RS economy, however, people should be encouraged to learn not forced. Forcing someone to learn something will only leave a bad impression of it. It also creates tension between the new users and the old users. There have been many posts and questions on the IRC "How do I fix this ant-leech" and it has gotten on peoples nerves and shorted their patience with new user. Then when a user has a legitimate question (not about anti-leech) but they are trying to learn, they are viciously attacked by multiple member. Is that the kind of community we want to be? To burn ourselves out so much that we attack or ignore the few that want to learn?

So in short: If you think your script will be abused, don't post it or post a "lite" version of it without banking or something like that.

Let me summarize your answer:
We want more users. Leechers are more common.

Seems ridiculous that script writers can't release how they want, but I guess if the mods say so it has to be done that way :/

From: Hobbit
ATM it is looking like we are going to put in place a system like we had a few years ago. Have a section of scripts accessible when you firs register that will only consist of non-banking (ie power levellers) or 'Lite' versions of scripts. You will need to have a certain number of posts and be registered for a certain amount of time to access the banking (amusable) scripts. Details are still being ironed out but this looks like the best solution for everyone ATM.

^Support for this though

I also disagree with the anti-leech removal idea. I know my post won't mean anything, but, well, if all the people who couldn't use some script just because of some anti-leech, will start to use it, the bot will get popular and even might get detected, resulting in Jagex giving bans to some of us. I love the concept of anti-leech, it may be not the best learning material, but it sure teaches you to pay more attention to code and also script is more unique and less detectable when leeches can't use it. :P Villavu was different from all the sites involved in RS Botting purely because this was more of a learning community, than a botting one. Oh well, I hope to see some alternative to anti-leech, for people to actually do something, not just download-run-level up-delete. (even the post or registration time idea seems appropriate :P)

From: Brid Mayhem
Let me summarize your answer:
We want more users. Leechers are more common.

Please do not summarize my posts when they are short to begin with and you take them out of context.
We don't want more users, we cant to be able to help the ones who do want to learn and not lash out at them like many members have been doing lately.
I could care less if we have 5 members or 5000 members, I look out for the interests of those who want to learn and will make decisions based on what will give them the best chances of learning. I could care less if someone wasn't able to farm runescape, thats not we're about. Our goal is not to rape and pillage the runescape economy. It is about a intellectual game of cat and mouse with Jagex and about what we can learn and what we can teach others.

I don't even use the scripts here and I feel like not allowing anti-leech is a massive step backwards! I have never written a script, and only really ever skimmed the guides so I don't know much about scripting, but I am sure that I could figure out most anti-leeches.

From: Hobbit
Please do not summarize my posts when they are short to begin with and you take them out of context.
We don't want more users, we cant to be able to help the ones who do want to learn and not lash out at them like many members have been doing lately.
I could care less if we have 5 members or 5000 members, I look out for the interests of those who want to learn and will make decisions based on what will give them the best chances of learning. I could care less if someone wasn't able to farm runescape, thats not we're about. Our goal is not to rape and pillage the runescape economy. It is about a intellectual game of cat and mouse with Jagex and about what we can learn and what we can teach others.

An*

But uhm.. What you just said wasn't even accurate. Leeching doesn't give better learning opportunities. Plus if all you're about is ruining the games economy then what's the point of all the work?

From: Brid Mayhem
An*

But uhm.. What you just said wasn't even accurate. Leeching doesn't give better learning opportunities. Plus if all you're about is ruining the games economy then what's the point of all the work?

*game's

He said that we're NOT about ruining the game's economy..

Reading the comments on this topic just makes me miss the original scar and scar-scripts.com

Good topic overall!

i have always been sorta layed back on this topic. i think once i made an anti-leech for a script (my blk jack basher one) but after a day, i removed it. i see and understand why people would want to put anti-leeches in their scripts, but the more read these posts, the more i am liking the idea of the newly restructured scripts sections. personally i have always been a big fan of the jr mem section :) not afraid to bring that up whenever i can XD. anyway, this sounds really interesting, and even though i'm sure a lot of people will be saddened by the removal of anit-leech, i'm sure in the long run it will be better for the community. gj staff taking steps forward.

From: Hobbit
Please do not summarize my posts when they are short to begin with and you take them out of context.
We don't want more users, we cant to be able to help the ones who do want to learn and not lash out at them like many members have been doing lately.
I could care less if we have 5 members or 5000 members, I look out for the interests of those who want to learn and will make decisions based on what will give them the best chances of learning. I could care less if someone wasn't able to farm runescape, thats not we're about. Our goal is not to rape and pillage the runescape economy. It is about a intellectual game of cat and mouse with Jagex and about what we can learn and what we can teach others.

With all due respect, Hobbit, that is a very crude representation of the way our members have been acting. As far as I've seen, the only accounts of hostility that have occurred have been sourced from the people complaining about the anti-leech in the first place. Are we really going to give in to the people who have been creating a more negative atmosphere here?
I do find it quite insulting that you've claimed we've "lashed out" on these threads that have provided more and more negativity on the lower board. Personally, I've only witnessed insightful and encouraging posts, informing newer users of the way things are run around here. At times, we may have got heated in the discussions at hand, but it's only ever been as a tool to stand our ground against these newer users who purely wish to take from the community, and not give.
However, I do understand I'm not the most active user, so if you can find some examples of where our members have lashed out at these newer members unjustifiably, then I shall concede. But, as it stands, I honestly feel this is all about giving in to the ragers.

From: Austin
*game's

He said that we're NOT about ruining the game's economy..

No, it's not "game's", learn some grammar. :)

From: Brid Mayhem
No, it's not "game's", learn some grammar. :)

It is actually:

Forming the Singular Possessive Form of Nouns

A possessive noun shows that someone (or something) owns an item. In the simplest cases, an apostrophe and the letter 's' are added to the noun to show that ownership. Some examples are baby's, boy's, and army's.

In this case, the economy belongs to the game, so it is the "game's economy". The quote is from www.spellingcity.com if you want to look there.

From: Austin
It is actually:



In this case, the economy belongs to the game, so it is the "game's economy". The quote is from www.spellingcity.com if you want to look there.

Okay, for the sake of the thread i'll stop arguing.

Okay, I just want to get this question answered. Does Ashaman88 have to change anything in his LRC Miner script? Where anti leech is not an anti leech, you can select how you want it to work yourself.

From: Im New Sry
Okay, I just want to get this question answered. Does Ashaman88 have to change anything in his LRC Miner script? Where anti leech is not an anti leech, you can select how you want it to work yourself.

I don't believe he does because his script functions perfectly fine when you download it. The "anti-leech" is just for banking/superheating options which are completely optional and aren't necessary to run the script.

My opinion matter because I'm new, but ever since I joined, I enjoy anti-leeches more than just having a script I can download and go. I've seen people saying things like "fix script bitch" to the OP, and I think It's unnecessary to have a community that includes members such as those. I can figure out most antileechs by reading tutorials, and I'm not overly smart. My take on this is to have the highly rated scripts have difficult antileechs (even for the owners of the scripts), and for the newer scripts to have easier ones.

I believe this was already stated somewhere in the thread, however I can see why people are upset at removing the anti-leeches.

I can see better why keeping anti-leeches out of the script would promote learning to those serious about it easier. When there is a good clean script released I download it, I read through the entire script seeing how they go about doing things. You don't get the "REMVE THE LEETCH, CNT yOu ReAD the RULES oP!? Fix Ur gaRbage ScrIpt" people and I get to learn how better to do things, so that I can better contribute to the community. By going crazy with anti-leechs you could possibly effectively troll me (i'm confident that I would see that something is wrong though ;) ).

All in all I feel like though the anti-leeches keep a lot of the internet turds in the toilet rather than on the carpet, however I think that it is easy to spot a leecher and I have confidence in the community that they will treat them like such. (not spoon feed them help)

I like the idea of a lighter version of scripts if you believe your script would be abused. Such as a power leveling script that only banks if you change the code, ect. (Ex. Ashaman LRC)

From: Sawyer
I like the idea of a lighter version of scripts if you believe your script would be abused. Such as a power leveling script that only banks if you change the code, ect. (Ex. Ashaman LRC)

You can't do that. Anything purposely done to negatively affect the scripts performance is an anti leech.

From: Brid Mayhem
You can't do that. Anything purposely done to negatively affect the scripts performance is an anti leech.

Banking would actually negatively affect the script's performance xp-wise lol. And banking isn't necessary for a script to run (unless it's a bank standing script of course). So Ashaman's LRC banking would still be allowed as it is.

From: Brid Mayhem
You can't do that. Anything purposely done to negatively affect the scripts performance is an anti leech.

Wrong.

Everything purposely changed in the script so it wouldn't work - anti leech.

He didn't purposely do anything to negatively affect script's performance. It does more XP when dropping rather than banking.
And dropping is a default option in the script. If you want to - you can change it. You don't have to fix not 1 mistake purposely done in the script. Because there are none. It's your choice whether you want to bank or drop, you just gotta change to banking option if you want to bank. :)

The forum Rules:

No Leeching
SRL is for the beginner and the advanced, for the hobbyist and the semi-professional. We are an open and free community that believes in cooperative learning and sharing. This is only possible when we all participate together and do not leech. We encourage all our users to get involved and participate in our community. This does not necessarily mean that you have to be an amazing scripter. There are many other ways that you can still contribute to the community. A zero or spam filled post count and a hard drive stacked with good scripts is not an option here. The SRL Community has worked thousands of hours on this project and we are giving SRL out for free. All we ask in return is that you stay awhile and participate in our community.

What is our idea of working on this if we entirely remove anti-leech? How do we enforce this otherwise?

I have 2 srcipts that I've made from scratch myself, and I probably wouldn't have been able to learn all this without antileeches kicking me in the butt..
Personally, I don't think spam and mass confusion is an acceptable excuse to prohibit antileeches.

Anyway, I'm not releasing any of my scripts if I'm not allowed to put anti leeches.

From: shebee
I have 2 srcipts that I've made from scratch myself, and I probably wouldn't have been able to learn all this without antileeches kicking me in the butt..
Personally, I don't think spam and mass confusion is an acceptable excuse to prohibit antileeches.

Anyway, I'm not releasing any of my scripts if I'm not allowed to put anti leeches.

You can get a bit creative to prevent you script from getting abused… My chicken killer, for example, needs to be edited to unlock the feather collecting feature.
That isn't a reason to not to release scripts. You can also ask for a script to be released in the members' section, and I think you can use its link to view the thread, even if it's in members.

From: nivek1989
The forum Rules:


What is our idea of working on this if we entirely remove anti-leech? How do we enforce this otherwise?

We don't try to enforce it?
From my understanding, this would be how our forum (now) works (with anti-leech gone)

Person(age: young): I wonder if there is a way to automate a task
-> finds simba+script
-> not frustrated, manages to get it working
-> eventually (but probably not initially) gets interested in the how and why; the workings of scripts
-> *learning* (yay)

^that I think would be the process of getting more people into programming with our wonderful community.

From: Im New Sry
Wrong.

Everything purposely changed in the script so it wouldn't work - anti leech.

He didn't purposely do anything to negatively affect script's performance. It does more XP when dropping rather than banking.
And dropping is a default option in the script. If you want to - you can change it. You don't have to fix not 1 mistake purposely done in the script. Because there are none. It's your choice whether you want to bank or drop, you just gotta change to banking option if you want to bank. :)

No, that's not true.. There's anti leeches that drop your bank. An anti leech is something that negatively affects the performance purposely.

I don't call mine anti-leech, I call it "A Challenge" script. You can use the out of the box script or you can fix challenge script for a nice reward.

From: Brid Mayhem
No, that's not true.. There's anti leeches that drop your bank. An anti leech is something that negatively affects the performance purposely.

I bet if somebody's script would drop player's bank - the script would be long gone from SRL and the creator would be warned/banned. You can select to bank in Ashaman's script, you just need to find where. It's not an anti leech, dropping is an option by default.

From: cause
We don't try to enforce it?
From my understanding, this would be how our forum (now) works (with anti-leech gone)

Person(age: young): I wonder if there is a way to automate a task
-> finds simba+script
-> not frustrated, manages to get it working
-> eventually (but probably not initially) gets interested in the how and why; the workings of scripts
-> *learning* (yay)

^that I think would be the process of getting more people into programming with our wonderful community.

You are an exquisite sir.

From: Brid Mayhem
No, that's not true.. There's anti leeches that drop your bank.

Please show me the scripts that do this. If there are none, do us a favour and don't lie.

From: BMWxi
Please show me the scripts that do this. If there are none, do us a favour and don't lie.

if Leecher then
repeat
if not LoggedIn then LoginPlayer; // gotta make sure you stay logged in ;)
OpenBankFast(Bank);
Withdraw(0, 0, 29);
Closebank;
DropAll;
until(false);

;)

From: The Killer

if Leecher then
repeat
if not LoggedIn then LoginPlayer; // gotta make sure you stay logged in ;)
OpenBankFast(Bank);
Withdraw(0, 0, 29);
Closebank;
DropAll;
until(false);

;)

Hey that's from one of my scripts! Thief! ;)

From: The Killer

if Leecher then
repeat
if not LoggedIn then LoginPlayer; // gotta make sure you stay logged in ;)
OpenBankFast(Bank);
Withdraw(0, 0, 29);
Closebank;
DropAll;
until(false);

;)

Standards, standards. Good staying logged in though. 6hr fix support plox?

From: BMWxi
Standards, standards. Good staying logged in though. 6hr fix support plox?

How about you don't assume i'm a compulsive liar next time. Seriously, seeing only the bad in people is kinda depressing, you should be more optimistic.

From: Brid Mayhem
How about you don't assume i'm a compulsive liar next time. Seriously, seeing only the bad in people is kinda depressing, you should be more optimistic.

He never assumed you were a compulsive liar. Anyway, can you really blame him with your past behaviour?

From: Brid Mayhem
How about you don't assume i'm a compulsive liar next time. Seriously, seeing only the bad in people is kinda depressing, you should be more optimistic.

you should be more optimistic.

Don't want to argue here about that.


Anyway, I think he was talking about he never actually sees anybody try that method

From: Brid Mayhem
How about you don't assume i'm a compulsive liar next time. Seriously, seeing only the bad in people is kinda depressing, you should be more optimistic.

I didn't say you were a compulsive liar, I didn't even say you were a liar. I said that if you didn't show me the scripts that you said existed, I would have to come to the conclusion that your statement was untrue. I was not trying to group you into a category based on that one statement you made, and I'm sorry if you thought I was. I just advise you to think more carefully in the future whether you are saying something that is true or not.

The original purpose of my message, which you seem to have ignored, was for you to show me the scripts that did what you described.

E:And before someone calls me on not calling him a liar, I believe a liar is someone who repeatedly lies and knows that they are lieing. If telling a lie once in your life made you a liar, then most of us would be. I don't think this one incident is enough to characterize you as a liar.

From: BMWxi
I didn't say you were a compulsive liar, I didn't even say you were a liar. I said that if you didn't show me the scripts that you said existed, I would have to come to the conclusion that your statement was untrue. I was not trying to group you into a category based on that one statement you made, and I'm sorry if you thought I was. I just advise you to think more carefully in the future whether you are saying something that is true or not.

The original purpose of my message, which you seem to have ignored, was for you to show me the scripts that did what you described.

E:And before someone calls me on not calling him a liar, I believe a liar is someone who repeatedly lies and knows that they are lieing. If telling a lie once in your life made you a liar, then most of us would be. I don't think this one incident is enough to characterize you as a liar.

li·ar
/?l??r/
Noun
A person who tells lies.
Synonyms
fibber - storyteller - fibster


You also spelled lying wrong.

From: Brid Mayhem
li·ar
/?l??r/
Noun
A person who tells lies.
Synonyms
fibber - storyteller - fibster


You also spelled lying wrong.

You're like the SRL Dictionary here! You often correct people's spelling mistakes.
I'm glad you're of some use here.

From: Brid Mayhem
li·ar
/?l??r/
Noun
A person who tells lies.
Synonyms
fibber - storyteller - fibster


You also spelled lying wrong.

What I was trying to say is that I don't think of you as a liar because you told a lie. I don't think that telling lies is your main characteristic so I don't choose to associate "liar" with your name, even if you have told a lie. Does that make sense?

Also I apologise profusely for my spelling error.

From: Hobbit
ATM it is looking like we are going to put in place a system like we had a few years ago. Have a section of scripts accessible when you firs register that will only consist of non-banking (ie power levellers) or 'Lite' versions of scripts. You will need to have a certain number of posts and be registered for a certain amount of time to access the banking (amusable) scripts. Details are still being ironed out but this looks like the best solution for everyone ATM.

So long as the post count is reasonable….Sounds like a fair way to do it!

From: Noob King
I agree with the wait time, but I think the post requirement will just cause people to spam to get it.

Actually this is a good point… perhaps the admins can police that though… like if someone posts "Woohoo" and that is ALL it is clearly spam….perhaps they could have a penalty system in place which if repeatedly offended against gets all privs removed?

From: Brid Mayhem
Let me summarize your answer:
We want more users. Leechers are more common.

NO… I would say that is not correct… the more leechers you have the more larger of a target we all become as a group. What we need are truly active members….who are not afraid of reporting scripts they use (I think PMs are better in many cases for that) to the authors with errors or if it is runnign well…who perhaps even write some scripts of their own if they can…and let's face it folks..some of us are wizards! some of us are NOT! BUT it is within each of us to give SOMETHING back to the community…each according to their abilities.

From: Sjoekeloe
You're like the SRL Dictionary here! You often correct people's spelling mistakes.
I'm glad you're of some use here.

Some use here? I did release 3 scripts within my first week here. All of them got quality feedback. I'm also always helping in the help section as well.

I'd appreciate not to be antagonized for no real reason.

From: krasniy
NO… I would say that is not correct… the more leechers you have the more larger of a target we all become as a group. What we need are truly active members….who are not afraid of reporting scripts they use (I think PMs are better in many cases for that) to the authors with errors or if it is runnign well…who perhaps even write some scripts of their own if they can…and let's face it folks..some of us are wizards! some of us are NOT! BUT it is within each of us to give SOMETHING back to the community…each according to their abilities.

So what do leechers give back to the community? Hate? Flame? This is the usual response when a script has an anti-leech.

From: Brid Mayhem


So what do leechers give back to the community? Hate? Flame? This is the usual response when a script has an anti-leech.

Thats true.. I think the new way of dealing with it as proposed by the admins will help….No anti-leech…but at same token less scripts for the 7 posts folks to access.

As one of the "newer" people here I found anti-leech enticed me to learn and participate in the community. I have never felt or been flamed for asking how to fix something in fact quite the opposite. A few members were nice enough over PM to point me in the right direction which helped me decipher scripting even more. I think Asha has an amazing anti-leech in his LRC script and I think this is a win-win … a script that still works but requires some sort of "fix" to unlock full benefits. My only concern with completely dis-allowing anti-leech is it will just be easier not to post new/update scripts so the non-member community takes a hit in overall content regardless.

From: digitalninja
As one of the "newer" people here I found anti-leech enticed me to learn and participate in the community. I have never felt or been flamed for asking how to fix something in fact quite the opposite. A few members were nice enough over PM to point me in the right direction which helped me decipher scripting even more. I think Asha has an amazing anti-leech in his LRC script and I think this is a win-win … a script that still works but requires some sort of "fix" to unlock full benefits. My only concern with completely dis-allowing anti-leech is it will just be easier not to post new/update scripts so the non-member community takes a hit in overall content regardless.

I think a time requirement and post count should be required for accessing downloads.

From: Brid Mayhem
I think a time requirement and post count should be required for accessing downloads.

Sadly post counts simply encourage spamming instead. And time requirements don't matter for that much in the scheme of things.

i have mixed feelings about this since i just joined villavu maybe a week ago, but before i joined i had no idea what an anti leech was and when i figured out that scripters purposely put mistakes for us to learn i was like "ok this seems fair so the little 12 year old kids cant abuse bots like this and theres less chance of ban right?" and when i looked at the script i was completely lost, like programming in general is very foreign to me but i do want to get involved in programming and when i get into college i am going to take programming classes. As i was saying, i was lost and entered a chat room and NO ONE would help me it got me really frustrated because people were just completely ignoring me..If you're trying to teach use why not put a small tutorial on the basics of programming with pascal…

From: donreyes
i have mixed feelings about this since i just joined villavu maybe a week ago, but before i joined i had no idea what an anti leech was and when i figured out that scripters purposely put mistakes for us to learn i was like "ok this seems fair so the little 12 year old kids cant abuse bots like this and theres less chance of ban right?" and when i looked at the script i was completely lost, like programming in general is very foreign to me but i do want to get involved in programming and when i get into college i am going to take programming classes. As i was saying, i was lost and entered a chat room and NO ONE would help me it got me really frustrated because people were just completely ignoring me..If you're trying to teach use why not put a small tutorial on the basics of programming with pascal…

The tutorial section of the forums is a great place to start learning and I can guarantee that you'll learn how to solve every (reasonable) anti-leech from there.

PS: Did our names just get bolder?

From: Austin
The tutorial section of the forums is a great place to start learning and I can guarantee that you'll learn how to solve every (reasonable) anti-leech from there.

I concur … before I even tried to solve the anti-leeches and try deciphering scripts I watched Yo's video tutorials … required viewing IMO. This makes learning SO much easier … then I tried to solve the anti-leech THEN I asked for help. I am not sure if thats what happened here but I can see how frustrating it is to scripters to have a person 1 week registered asking how to solve the anti-leech. Thats exactly why the anti-leech is in there in the 1st place.

From: Austin
The tutorial section of the forums is a great place to start learning and I can guarantee that you'll learn how to solve every (reasonable) anti-leech from there.

PS: Did our names just get bolder?

thanks man ill look into now

lmfao i love the idea of drop entire bank anti leech, add more of this pl0x!

From: ikillthechickens
lmfao i love the idea of drop entire bank anti leech, add more of this pl0x!

Anti-leeches are no longer allowed. Anything of the sort will not be tolerated. Therefore the leechers get to run a script someone worked hard on without any real work.

From: Brid Mayhem
Anti-leeches are no longer allowed. Anything of the sort will not be tolerated. Therefore the leechers get to run a script someone worked hard on without any real work.

That's the whole point of this though. Yes it sucks when people take and don't contribute to the forum, but if people start depending on Anti-leeching then this open forum becomes full of elitists..

Seriously? I'm working on a script for 4 days now and have added anti leech yesterday im almost completed just final touches.. So do i have to remove the anti-leech before i post my script?

From: ikillthechickens
Seriously? I'm working on a script for 4 days now and have added anti leech yesterday im almost completed just final touches.. So do i have to remove the anti-leech before i post my script?

The announcement was made over a week ago and it's visible on all forum pages at the top…
Yes you have to remove anti leech, the script needs to work in the state you upload it.

From: litoris
The announcement was made over a week ago and it's visible on all forum pages at the top…
Yes you have to remove anti leech, the script needs to work in the state you upload it.

It will run perfectly no compile errors, it will however type the username and password to the game(you just need to remove it that is all).

From: ikillthechickens
It will run perfectly no compile errors, it will however type the username and password to the game(you just need to remove it that is all).

That actually risks the user's account, it's not allowed. You can do things that will not put anyone's account at risk, but will just annoy the user (ie long waits between steps)

Basically any script released, must compile, run, and do what it is advertised…Example, a 'Power Fisher", will Fish, drop them and get you fishing XP, a "Fishing script with Banking" will bank the fish pixels…..anything hidden in it will be considered malicious. As the author, you have the right to release different versions…IE, lite versions for the public section, more advanced versions for the Member's section. If you're not a member and are capable of writing your own script in multiple versions, then you're probably ready to apply for membership with said script…..As the author, you have the right to include the option to be "Power and/Or Bank" …if you are just looking for feedback on your Fishing methods, then only post the power version, …..

years ago, to combat the level 3 characters with default clothing "Bots", there were different methods of "Anti-leech" incorporated into scripts…then the fad of level 3 "Skillers" came about and similar discussions about what is "fair"…

Much time, thought and discussion has went into these decisions and it's been a delicate balancing act of trying to keep everyone happy and do what is in the majority's best interest…..

More changes and restructuring to be implemented soon…not everyone will be happy, such as life, but as a community, it can still be discussed here and perhaps more viable solutions can be made….

~RAM
Brid, I have some Ocean Front Property in Arizona I would like to sell you cheap……

Read All! SRL Rules and Regulations.

From: RAM
Basically any script released, must compile, run, and do what it is advertised…Example, a 'Power Fisher", will Fish, drop them and get you fishing XP, a "Fishing script with Banking" will bank the fish pixels…..anything hidden in it will be considered malicious. As the author, you have the right to release different versions…IE, lite versions for the public section, more advanced versions for the Member's section. If you're not a member and are capable of writing your own script in multiple versions, then you're probably ready to apply for membership with said script…..As the author, you have the right to include the option to be "Power and/Or Bank" …if you are just looking for feedback on your Fishing methods, then only post the power version, …..

years ago, to combat the level 3 characters with default clothing "Bots", there were different methods of "Anti-leech" incorporated into scripts…then the fad of level 3 "Skillers" came about and similar discussions about what is "fair"…

Much time, thought and discussion has went into these decisions and it's been a delicate balancing act of trying to keep everyone happy and do what is in the majority's best interest…..

More changes and restructuring to be implemented soon…not everyone will be happy, such as life, but as a community, it can still be discussed here and perhaps more viable solutions can be made….

~RAM
Brid, I have some Ocean Front Property in Arizona I would like to sell you cheap……

Read All! SRL Rules and Regulations.

All of that has been said… On this thread… -.-

It's more of an opinion; we want your point of view, not the explanation of why.

From: Brid Mayhem
All of that has been said… On this thread… -.-

It's more of an opinion; we want your point of view, not the explanation of why.

Does it really matter what he posts? Just as long as its about the topic its fine. I'm the one that made the thread and nowhere in the OP does it say if I want a POV. It actually says for an explanation of why lol.. Both are fine though so don't nag.. Especially when you didn't make the thread.

From: Austin
Does it really matter what he posts? Just as long as its about the topic its fine. I'm the one that made the thread and nowhere in the OP does it say if I want a POV. It actually says for an explanation of why lol.. Both are fine though so don't nag.. Especially when you didn't make the thread.

I don't think you know what nagging is. I was simple posting what I thought the thread was made for. (Considering the only question you posted on this thread was this: 'Why should new people be able to leech freely.').


What he did was define what an anti-leech was, what has been done about 10 times on here.

With the removal of anti-leech I just hope villavu doesn't become like Powerbot. Honestly It's not a community I'd want to be appart of.

From: Brid Mayhem
I don't think you know what nagging is. I was simple posting what I thought the thread was made for. (Considering the only question you posted on this thread was this: 'Why should new people be able to leech freely.').


What he did was define what an anti-leech was, what has been done about 10 times on here.

I thought you would know. Well here's another definition for you, you seem to like them:


You fall under 5 out of 5 of those categories for me.

And if you were posting what you thought the thread was made for, then you should have said "I", not "we". And I actually posted 4 questions (one of them being rhetorical), so don't even try.

Annnddd so what if he posts something that you feel shouldn't be posted again. I liked reading his post more than any of yours on this thread. His doesn't nag me (refer to the definition above).

From: Austin
I thought you would know. Well here's another definition for you, you seem to like them:


You fall under 5 out of 5 of those categories for me.

And if you were posting what you thought the thread was made for, then you should have said "I", not "we". And I actually posted 4 questions (one of them being rhetorical), so don't even try.

Annnddd so what if he posts something that you feel shouldn't be posted again. I liked reading his post more than any of yours on this thread. His doesn't nag me (refer to the definition above).

Actually, you only asked two questions. If you don't end with a question mark, then it's just a fragmented sentence.

Also, I don't fall under any of those 4 definitions(categories as you call them).

I used we as a general public because I don't think anybody wanted to see what was said already. (This is actually called spamming.)

Give it a rest, jeez

From: Brid Mayhem
Actually, you only asked two questions. If you don't end with a question mark, then it's just a fragmented sentence.

Also, I don't fall under any of those 4 definitions(categories as you call them).

I used we as a general public because I don't think anybody wanted to see what was said already. (This is actually called spamming.)

I too love Chinese food

From: Ashaman88
I too love Chinese food

What is your favorite kind of chinese food?

Annnnnd we're closed.