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http://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/934512-for-those-of-you-familiar-with-anti-leech/

I Don't even think i need to say much, that sums it up. I mean seriously…Cant find the antileech in a 20 line script.

This guy needs some SERIOUS help. And not with the antileech


Lack of common sense kills me to see lol

Well I get the point and all that, but you should also keep in mind that most powerbot users is very young, i've been a Moderator there twice and I can tell you this, I felt way too old for that community sometimes.

From: Emperia
Well I get the point and all that, but you should also keep in mind that most powerbot users is very young, i've been a Moderator there twice and I can tell you this, I felt way too old for that community sometimes.

Most of them kids I guess, raging trolls :p

I basically gave him the answer lol http://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/934512-for-those-of-you-familiar-with-anti-leech/?p=11471189

From: Emperia
Well I get the point and all that, but you should also keep in mind that most powerbot users is very young, i've been a Moderator there twice and I can tell you this, I felt way too old for that community sometimes.

He's right

Its like teaching a community of old dogs, a new trick; those that came here from there will refuse to read/understand and instead demand

From: Four
He's right

Its like teaching a community of old dogs, a new trick; those that came here from there will refuse to read/understand and instead demand

Yeah true, I love to help people, and when people actually ask to for something help learning im more then glad to help them. But im not going to spoon feed them.

Common sense> knowledge in my mind, If you apply common sense to most things in scripting once you learn the basicis, you are very well off.

I've been a member since 09 on there and the trouble with pb is it had the potential to be a great community (i quite liked the buddy community because bullshit posted was at a minimum) but instead it just turned into one massive spam forum with no real control of what users post. If they started to infract/ban users more then maybe it'd be better but its probably to far gone now.

personally i just buy what bot need and post to say thanks to the script writer and that's about it

Which is pretty sad considering the amount of active users that forum has

From: ste
I've been a member since 09 on there and the trouble with pb is it had the potential to be a great community (i quite liked the buddy community because bullshit posted was at a minimum) but instead it just turned into one massive spam forum with no real control of what users post. If they started to infract/ban users more then maybe it'd be better but its probably to far gone now.

personally i just buy what bot need and post to say thanks to the script writer and that's about it

Which is pretty sad considering the amount of active users that forum has

Few of them are ok though, just a few atm :(

From: Sjoekeloe
Most of them kids I guess, raging trolls :p

I basically gave him the answer lol http://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/934512-for-those-of-you-familiar-with-anti-leech/?p=11471189

Not just that. Loop procedure was commented out trololol. IDGI why does he asks there instead of here? Our community is WAAAAY more helpful & friendly. I don't even check PB forums anymore. :P

From: guthixboss1
Not just that. Loop procedure was commented out trololol. IDGI why does he asks there instead of here? Our community is WAAAAY more helpful & friendly. I don't even check PB forums anymore. :P

Because we wouldn't have straight up given it to him/her, we would have encouraged them to learn, and given them pointers in the right direction. Unfortunately, I doubt he/she would have ever taken the effort find out.

When did it become that case that botters were leechers rather than programmers?

guaranteed he didn't even try. extremely simply made/nooby script, could have found out how to fix it by simply looking through the tutorials on here. my goodness

I actually find it interesting when new users join. Of course, many users from our competitors are not interested in becoming a programmer. Maybe we should be more open to them, and just remove the anti leech from most scripts? We can't really expect everyone to become amazing at scripting. How odd would it be if other software introduced anti leech? Like, yeah you can use windows, but first you have to fix these obvious problems in the kernel! <- that would kinda suck.

I think we shouldn't just look at what they are doing wrong. It might be beneficial for both if we can find a way more between us, instead of just drawing it on our side.

From: masterBB
I actually find it interesting when new users join. Of course, many users from our competitors are not interested in becoming a programmer. Maybe we should be more open to them, and just remove the anti leech from most scripts? We can't really expect everyone to become amazing at scripting. How odd would it be if other software introduced anti leech? Like, yeah you can use windows, but first you have to fix these obvious problems in the kernel! <- that would kinda suck.

I think we shouldn't just look at what they are doing wrong. It might be beneficial for both if we can find a way more between us, instead of just drawing it on our side.

The issue is accessibility, back when there was the 7 day/10 post limit, you didn't get many leechers, because they'd realise they had to wait and move on. Adding anti-leech is just the individual scripters way of preventing this. I'm sure if the user asked the scripter nicely how to fix the script, they'd happily give them a bit of advice as to what to look for.

Offtopic: if you ignore the donator's cup, me and you have exactly the same cups!

From: masterBB
I actually find it interesting when new users join. Of course, many users from our competitors are not interested in becoming a programmer. Maybe we should be more open to them, and just remove the anti leech from most scripts? We can't really expect everyone to become amazing at scripting. How odd would it be if other software introduced anti leech? Like, yeah you can use windows, but first you have to fix these obvious problems in the kernel! <- that would kinda suck.

I think we shouldn't just look at what they are doing wrong. It might be beneficial for both if we can find a way more between us, instead of just drawing it on our side.

^ i agree with this i have never been a fan of anti-leech myself just makes it annoying for users.

From: Richard
The issue is accessibility, back when there was the 7 day/10 post limit, you didn't get many leechers, because they'd realise they had to wait and move on. Adding anti-leech is just the individual scripters way of preventing this. I'm sure if the user asked the scripter nicely how to fix the script, they'd happily give them a bit of advice as to what to look for.

Offtopic: if you ignore the donator's cup, me and you have exactly the same cups!

But do you expect them to fix these errors? It is of course the choice of the scripter. Maybe we should add the option for the scripter to set a minimum amount of posts for the download? Where spammers just get their post count reset.

offtopic: Are you calling me poor :O

Tbh I don't think people should be adding anti-leech to scripts that arn't stable in the first place

LOL the error in that was easy as pie… some people though do not want to even try…

He's not a leech though, here's the proof:

dryninja:
Yeah, I know. I'm not here to leech scripts tho, I just want my levels up

^convincing

Can't see the post lol. Can't wait til my suspension ends so I can go on Random again :P

Lol at all this powernoobs, powerfailers, powerimmatures, powerwhateverimmissing..

What you guys talking about? No1 in pb is helping him solve the anti-leech. Who cares anyways PB is going to be making a API for the 07 scape. These scripts arent gold-farming scripts I dont understand why so much greed is used with them… its rather a shame :(

From: Nations_collapse
What you guys talking about? No1 in pb is helping him solve the anti-leech. Who cares anyways PB is going to be making a API for the 07 scape. These scripts arent gold-farming scripts I dont understand why so much greed is used with them… its rather a shame :(

I believe for most people it's out of respect for the 07 game, they don't want to see bot's everywhere

From: masterBB
I actually find it interesting when new users join. Of course, many users from our competitors are not interested in becoming a programmer. Maybe we should be more open to them, and just remove the anti leech from most scripts? We can't really expect everyone to become amazing at scripting. How odd would it be if other software introduced anti leech? Like, yeah you can use windows, but first you have to fix these obvious problems in the kernel! <- that would kinda suck.

I think we shouldn't just look at what they are doing wrong. It might be beneficial for both if we can find a way more between us, instead of just drawing it on our side.

Those who can't program will find themselves woefully behind in the 21st century. Programming is a way of thinking, and those who aren't willing to persevere will suffer in the long-term.

I'm a new member here, and I'm honestly glad for the Anti-Leech. I program in my spare time and at school, but I'm not familiar with SRL/Simba/Pascal (Not sure about the proper name) 's syntax.

Looking through the code, everything is INCREDIBLY simply. For example, here's a snippet of code:

if(P07_InvFull) then
begin
GoToBank;
OpenBank1;
BankLogs;
GoToTrees;
end;

This shows what's happening in plain English. Solving the anti-leech in this code only requires you to a) Know the syntax and/or b) be able to follow the logic.

The benefit of this is that would-be leechers are now equipped with the skills and knowledge to build and write their own scripts, in turn creating more productive members.

It's a phenomenal system.

From: Valderino
Those who can't program will find themselves woefully behind in the 21st century. Programming is a way of thinking, and those who aren't willing to persevere will suffer in the long-term.

I'm a new member here, and I'm honestly glad for the Anti-Leech. I program in my spare time and at school, but I'm not familiar with SRL/Simba/Pascal (Not sure about the proper name) 's syntax.

Looking through the code, everything is INCREDIBLY simply. For example, here's a snippet of code:

if(P07_InvFull) then
begin
GoToBank;
OpenBank1;
BankLogs;
GoToTrees;
end;

This shows what's happening in plain English. Solving the anti-leech in this code only requires you to a) Know the syntax and/or b) be able to follow the logic.

The benefit of this is that would-be leechers are now equipped with the skills and knowledge to build and write their own scripts, in turn creating more productive members.

It's a phenomenal system.

Problem is when people add stupid anti leeches such as removes procedures and making user make their own DTM's. New users need to learn the difference between releasing a script with anti-leech and releasing a plain bad half written script

From: rjj95
Problem is when people add stupid anti leeches such as removes procedures and making user make their own DTM's. New users need to learn the difference between releasing a script with anti-leech and releasing a plain bad half written script

RJJ, this isn't an attack at you, this is plain truth.

You have had memory leaks etc in your scripts. I know it's annoying but to be fair making users make their own DTMs when you cause leaks etc isn't fair.
Also with your comment

New users need to learn the difference between releasing a script with anti-leech and releasing a plain bad half written script

With regards to this, you haven't produced the best scripts and the anti-leech has been pretty bad, so on both accounts you've not done great for both your arguments.

Just saying.

From: xtrapsp
RJJ, this isn't an attack at you, this is plain truth.

You have had memory leaks etc in your scripts. I know it's annoying but to be fair making users make their own DTMs when you cause leaks etc isn't fair.
Also with your comment



With regards to this, you haven't produced the best scripts and the anti-leech has been pretty bad, so on both accounts you've not done great for both your arguments.

Just saying.

Never said I released the best script? And no, making the users make their own DTM's is just stupid.

From: rjj95
Never said I released the best script? And no, making the users make their own DTM's is just stupid.

He was trying to find a polite way to say that your scripts are sub-par. What's wrong with making users make a DTM? It's a great skill to have, and it isn't very difficult.

From: BMWxi
He was trying to find a polite way to say that your scripts are sub-par. What's wrong with making users make a DTM? It's a great skill to have, and it isn't very difficult.

My powerminer had a few problems I'll give him that, but I don't think a anti leech should be making the user fill in the DTM's UNLESS they are all grouped in a procedure

Anti-leech should be given based on what the person who made the script believes. We have no right into telling what they can or cannot do with their script.

I agree^^
if someone makes a script, they even have the freedom to keep it private to themselves if they liked.

From: rjj95
Never said I released the best script? And no, making the users make their own DTM's is just stupid.

False, it's a fantastic anti-leech.
Compiling errors are so simple, a quick google will solve it.

I agree with Danny that the reason for antileech in 07 is because people want the game to have longevity. I also agree that making a DTM part of the antileech is a bad idea, but it is super easy to learn how to make a static DTM so I guess its not that bad.

From: masterBB
But do you expect them to fix these errors? It is of course the choice of the scripter. Maybe we should add the option for the scripter to set a minimum amount of posts for the download? Where spammers just get their post count reset.

offtopic: Are you calling me poor :O

The post count thing is actually pretty clever, I would support that.
I also support anti-leech because once you learn to troubleshoot about 5 of them, you can do all of them unless the person is being a jerk. This causes people to put in the 5-15 minutes of effort to make it work and it prevents the leechiest of leechers :p

I enjoy solving anti-leeches in scripts it's quite fun :)

I enjoy watching others fail at solving anti-leeches and thinking "haha that used to be me…wow i failed so hard"

From: Rincewind
We have no right into telling what they can or cannot do with their script.

And yet we aren't allowed to release obfuscated scripts.

From: Echo_
And yet we aren't allowed to release obfuscated scripts.

I'm pretty sure that's a safety thing, and user safety trumps somebody wanting to obfuscate a script imo.

Just reading that thread made me cry alittle :(

This thread is making me cry because I don't know how to solve it either :(… back to reading tuts…

From: BMWxi
I'm pretty sure that's a safety thing, and user safety trumps somebody wanting to obfuscate a script imo.

Very true, but anybody who has even a little bit of scripting knowledge would notice those safety issues quickly in an obfuscated script and report it (like the use of sockets or something else that has nothing to do with how the script should function).

I can tell you, there is a huge possibility that I wouldn't be around doing scripting/programming of anykind right now, if SCAR scripts would have had antileech in em during 2003-2004 (SCAR 1.12/1.13 days).
Even though I was a serious leecher back then, and I didn't understand much of the language, I was still REALLY inspired of the way things just "magically" worked - and that's exactly the main reason why I wanted to learn to write stuff aswell!

I know there will always be majority of those people who will never get into the coding but they just keep on leeching, HOWEVER, there is still that group of guys, who are like me, they like to see things work without any obstacles and if the things do work without obstacles, someday they may be around here contributing stuff back to the community. :) Sometimes with new ideas and solutions!

So I agree with many people here, it would be really good thing to remove those "antileech" protections from scripts..

This was just my two cents here, of course.. :p

-Jani

Thats kind of how i was too. And i dont agree with anti leech either. Whenever i put out public scripts, i dont include it. If the script is a big money maker or i care about the market to much, then i just dont release it at all.

You can't clump every single person who uses powerbot in one group. Some people use it for certain skills because there's no other option. Very few actual users of it go there because they like the community (It sucks ass, I'm aware).

From: john_dizoglio
You can't clump every single person who uses powerbot in one group. Some people use it for certain skills because there's no other option. Very few actual users of it go there because they like the community (It sucks ass, I'm aware).

Yea this is true, but we all know what kind of people im talking about, im not classing anyone really for using a site. I have pb to, dont use it anymore but i read the forums. And most people here do it. Its just the people who come ONLY when pb is down and leave when pb is back up that annoy us.

I for one came here when the bot nuke happened, but i stayed, learned and never left :)

From: Janilabo
I can tell you, there is a huge possibility that I wouldn't be around doing scripting/programming of anykind right now, if SCAR scripts would have had antileech in em during 2003-2004 (SCAR 1.12/1.13 days).
Even though I was a serious leecher back then, and I didn't understand much of the language, I was still REALLY inspired of the way things just "magically" worked - and that's exactly the main reason why I wanted to learn to write stuff aswell!

I know there will always be majority of those people who will never get into the coding but they just keep on leeching, HOWEVER, there is still that group of guys, who are like me, they like to see things work without any obstacles and if the things do work without obstacles, someday they may be around here contributing stuff back to the community. :) Sometimes with new ideas and solutions!

So I agree with many people here, it would be really good thing to remove those "antileech" protections from scripts..

This was just my two cents here, of course.. :p

-Jani

This is why I feel we should introduce the old 7 day/10 post system, so you had to wait that long to get access to get hold of decent scripts. It's that, and the positive attitude that members of this community had, that led to me scripting, personally.

Everyone has different motives though :)

post count req? just add a time req and u have a jr member scripts section again. its been such a long time, would be nice and would let the people that dont want leeches to use their scripts to place them in a forum where leeches cant access.

I can see both sides of the coin here.

On one side I could just bide my time and get access to scripts without having to really do anything. On the other side of the coin I have to put in time and effort, learn something, and hopefully give back to the community.

Maybe a time requirement ( 6 months? ) with constant positive activity / contributions? That would probably take care of the leechers / kids who just want to press play. I can't see them hanging out for 6 months without begging "gimme" but I could see them joining and doing nothing for 6 months.

Under the present system I have learned quite a bit. That probably would not have happened if it was just handed to me. Anything worth having is worth working for.

Just my thoughts………

From: BadKarma
I can see both sides of the coin here. On one side I could just bide my time and get access to scripts without having to really do anything. On the other side of the coin I have to put in time and effort, learn something, and hopefully give back to the community.

Maybe a time requirement ( 6 months? ) with positive activity / contributions?

Under the present system I have learned quite a bit. That probably would not have happened if it was just handed to me. Anything worth having is worth working for.

Thats pretty much the requirement for SRL junior member status, 6 months and 300 posts. I believe there was once a junior member script section but I'm not entirely sure.

Thanatos -

I made an edit while you posted. Sorry

Main reason for second post is congratz on Jr. member!

From: Thanatos
Thats pretty much the requirement for SRL junior member status, 6 months and 300 posts. I believe there was once a junior member script section but I'm not entirely sure.

yes there was a jr member section, but it got removed a while back

From: Echo_
And yet we aren't allowed to release obfuscated scripts.

The writer of the script got full Copyright and ownership. We do however got rules for publishing it on this forum.

Sometimes it doesn't even need anti leech, people cannot read or follow simple instructions, just check out my Essence miner thread
Its 40 pages of spam complaining about this mysterious "anti-leech" in the script when there wasn't any. They just couldn't read the thread and follow the install guides.

From: masterBB
The writer of the script got full Copyright and ownership. We do however got rules for publishing it on this forum.

The writer of the script got full Copyright and ownership. We do however have rules for publishing it on this forum.

From: wthomas
Sometimes it doesn't even need anti leech, people cannot read or follow simple instructions, just check out my Essence miner thread
Its 40 pages of spam complaining about this mysterious "anti-leech" in the script when there wasn't any. They just couldn't read the thread and follow the install guides.

I lol'd , yeah so many new help threads cause they can't read.

I found the error! Im so proud

Lol jk, but seriously even for someone as me, who is scripting challanged, even I can find the fix.

I always loved George Carlin and his epic quotes :) , but truth be told, that's how powerbot and other paid bots make a ton of money. If they could have an app on their iPhone to start their char on to botting by just pressing a button they would probably be the happiest people alive. Sometimes it baffles me how some RuneScape players can follow guidelines and solve quest puzzles that are utterly complex but they can't follow a few instructions to allow a script to work.

Speedster stop scaring me D:

From: Sjoekeloe
I lol'd , yeah so many new help threads cause they can't read.

I do love these ones. I just switch off of I see them now a days.

A bunch of them are too young, and like to be annoying
It's the new generation of kids

They just want things, and don't want to put any effort, they think everything is served on a platter

Note: I am not saying all are like this, but a lot are

From: speedster
I always loved George Carlin and his epic quotes :) , but truth be told, that's how powerbot and other paid bots make a ton of money. If they could have an app on their iPhone to start their char on to botting by just pressing a button they would probably be the happiest people alive. Sometimes it baffles me how some RuneScape players can follow guidelines and solve quest puzzles that are utterly complex but they can't follow a few instructions to allow a script to work.

+rep for that if I could

I've honestly never before botted runescape, however I used to bot 11+ accounts back in the days of Glider for World of Warcraft. Selling the gold and accounts made me enough money to keep me a top of the line computer for awhile. It really feels good to be back into another botting community as I've been out of the game for awhile, and I can honestly say this is a community you can be proud of being apart. The average intelligence level is well above the average, the mods and members and extremely helpful and nice, and it's scary how hard it seems to become an actual member xD

Though I plan on trying ;)

From: Lord Waffles
+rep for that if I could

I've honestly never before botted runescape, however I used to bot 11+ accounts back in the days of Glider for World of Warcraft. Selling the gold and accounts made me enough money to keep me a top of the line computer for awhile. It really feels good to be back into another botting community as I've been out of the game for awhile, and I can honestly say this is a community you can be proud of being apart. The average intelligence level is well above the average, the mods and members and extremely helpful and nice, and it's scary how hard it seems to become an actual member xD

Though I plan on trying ;)

Welcome and I hope you will be able to show us some of your work soonish :D

From: speedster
Welcome and I hope you will be able to show us some of your work soonish :D

Got my first script in my signsture ;) feel free to give it a look over, im 90% sure ive made it flawless until a random pops…