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Game Updates 2007 - Old School RuneScape... You Vote!


Shatterhand

2013-02-13 13:07:20

Hi everyone,

Last week, Mod Mark posted a thread on our forums highlighting some of the nostalgic and often passionate discussions within the community around a desired return of an ‘old school’ version of RuneScape. Specifically, the fine vintages of 2006 & 2007 appeared to be the high point of collective interest. Our team then set out to see if we had a backup that went that far back; if restoring the backup was even technically possible; and what specific content these potential old RuneScape backups might contain.

The team has spent many late nights and the past weekend digging through dusty old backups and restoring them, in the hope of finding more than just the old IT manager's MP3 collection of 80s rock power ballads! ?

Finally, I’m very happy to report that we have indeed managed to recover a full RuneScape backup from August 2007. This is a complete snapshot of the game, which we have been able to verify would work, with some time and effort invested in it. Ironically, in October 2007 we actually changed our backup systems, so we have no complete content versions from August onwards that are viable for this purpose.

As I said at the start of the year, we’re all very focused on making this year fun, memorable and special to you, and a significant part of realising this mission is giving you a big say in what we focus on. That said, a huge amount has either changed or been improved since the heady days of 2007. The game has evolved, as have our tech, systems, and infrastructure. There will be a substantial amount of work involved to get these ‘old school’ servers back up and running again. However, if enough people support this project, this will be neither unachievable, nor a hindrance to the main game.

So, just like the poll for the return of the Wildy & Free Trade, which saw a jaw dropping 1.4 million votes , we will be running a similar poll and letting you - our valued members - decide the fate of ‘Old School RuneScape', given that you directly fund the game's ongoing development and supporting services. This decision - along with the level of service, investment and potentially any additional fee for the service - is truly up to you to determine.

However, before we invest any further resource into this project, we need to accurately gauge your level of support by understanding how many of you are really behind ‘Old School RuneScape’ as it was in August 2007. As such, we will set up a poll this week for players to show their interest in the 2007 service.

But before I get into the specifics, there is one thing that is very important to note. If this idea gathers sufficient support, then we will not need to take our current talent away from all of the exciting updates to be implemented into the current version of the game, as we will be able to hire a new dedicated team to work specifically on this project.

By giving you the choice to play either version of the game, we are demonstrating our commitment to listen and - wherever possible - incorporate your feedback. In the long term, we hope that this project will bring back many veteran players, as well as possibly encourage new players to join. They will be able to relive their old game experience to their heart's content, and - if they so choose - perhaps even join the main game. Over the next couple of months and subsequent years, we have an ever-growing plethora of exciting content waiting to be deployed into the Evolution of Combat, regardless of the reinstatement of old servers.

That being said, we have set out the following targets to help us figure out how much focus and resource we should put into this project:

Level 1 - 50,000 or more votes:

2007 servers will come back as a separate entity to the current Runescape game, with an additional membership fee of around $15. These servers will receive no content updates and only critical maintenance.

Level 2 - 250,000 or more votes:

2007 servers will come back as a separate entity to the main Runescape game, supported by a small development team, with a smaller additional membership fee of around $5 extra. These servers will receive basic maintenance for bug fixes and little improvements, with the possibility of integrating our modern anti-bot technology over time, if it becomes necessary.

Level 3 - 500,000 or more votes:

2007 servers will come back as a separate entity to the main RuneScape game, with a dedicated development team, with no extra membership fee. These servers will receive regular maintenance, some content updates and integration of anti-bot technology if necessary.

Level 4 - 750,000 or more votes:

2007 Servers will come back as a separate entity to the main RuneScape game, with a larger dedicated development team with no extra membership fee and the free portion of the game available to all. These servers will receive continuous maintenance, modern anti-bot technology if necessary and - crucially - regular members' polls to determine which updates you want to see prioritised.
These servers, at any of the above levels, would be the exact version from back in 2007 and would maintain the ‘old school’ vibe and rules. The old graphics, hiscores, log-in, are all part of the same archived build and would be retained. We wouldn’t ever add any micropayment updates.

This will be a members-only vote. While all types of players have invested time in the game, it is our members that ultimately fund the initiatives and therefore get to set the priorities. Your support allows us to continue to evolve this amazing game that we all care deeply about. Making the vote members-only has the benefit of ensuring the votes cannot be rigged, and is a reliable, secure way to calibrate interest from dedicated players.

If you are against the idea, then you should - naturally - abstain from voting. However,if you are supportive, or would simply like to do a cool thing for your fellow Runescape friends (both retired and active) by making it a no-charge service as well as a benefit for free players (which is very much our aspiration), then please do register your vote and encourage all your friends to do the same!

If you choose to abstain from voting, before you do so, please understand: the Evolution of Combat will not be removed from the main game in any event. Although some of our resources and time would be reallocated initially to the reinstatement of the 2007 servers, the main game would still continue to receive its regular updates, as well as the massive updates promised for 2013.

The poll will be live on the website this Friday 15th February for two weeks. We will also be uploading a video on YouTube expressing these ideas, and opening a thread on the members-only forums to discuss this topic. In light of the poll, we will be moving our next Q&A session - Around the Campfire with Mark Ogilvie - to next week, where we will be focusing on discussions around the ongoing poll.

On a side note, I want to remark that we truly appreciate how passionate and devoted our players are to the future success of the game. I’ve never seen any other community as active and passionate about shaping the future of their game experience. It’s truly an honour to be part of this community and I very much hope this initiative positively engages the current - as well as the lapsed - community.

Thanks for reading, the team and I are really looking forward to seeing what you decide!

Have (old school?) fun! ?

Cheers,

Mark Gerhard
CEO

Discuss this here.

News -> http://services.runescape.com/m=news/2007---old-school-runescape-you-vote
Forum -> http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/l=0/sl=0/forums.ws?14,15,832,64233878

Richard

2013-02-13 13:08:58

Like every other update with RuneScape, I reckon this will be dead content pretty quickly :/

First of all, you have to start from scratch, which everyone will hate. Secondly, it's 10th of August, we won't have much in the way of bossing :/

Still, will be interesting to see how it turns out!

Shatterhand

2013-02-13 13:11:17

From: Richard
Like every other update with RuneScape, I reckon this will be dead content pretty quickly :/

First of all, you have to start from scratch, which everyone will hate. Secondly, it's 10th of August, we won't have much in the way of bossing :/

Still, will be interesting to see how it turns out!

I dont think so. Im sure some people would want to start from scratch.
The only problem here is only members can vote. How many members does Jagex have atm? How many of them are the veterans who wants back 2007?
Maybe some desperate veteran would pay membs just for voting. :D

viljo

2013-02-13 13:19:35

looking forward for this, hope here is or comes some scripts for that 2007 runescape :)

Richard

2013-02-13 13:32:58

According to the highscores, there are almost 1.8m members, but so many of those are just bots :/
I still stand by what I said about dead content, it'll just end up like RSC.

Think about it, how many people actually play CoD4 consistently?

J J

2013-02-13 13:35:59

From: Richard
According to the highscores, there are almost 1.8m members, but so many of those are just bots :/
I still stand by what I said about dead content, it'll just end up like RSC.

Think about it, how many people actually play CoD4 consistently?

Still quite a lot but COD has improved. RuneScape has only been getting worse since 2007.

I really hope that these servers get implemented, but it might be too late…

Benny

2013-02-13 13:38:46

Wow I'm surprised that they have gone to this! It's impressive that they are realizing the demand for old servers.

I also liked that they said they would never offer micro payments!

Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Thanks shatterhand!

Jake

2013-02-13 13:50:10

I doubt this will reach level 4 or 5
But good luck to those who vote

GoF

2013-02-13 13:58:25

Would be interesting to try old school RS again. I just really, really hope it won't get completely fucked up by goldfarmers.

Richard

2013-02-13 14:00:47

How likely do you think it'll be that they introduce RS HD?

Not sure I could stand playing on fixed screen

kingarabian

2013-02-13 14:10:36

LOL. Garuntee this gets more than 500k votes. CANT WAIIIIIIIIIIIT

The only bot that will work for 2007 RS is SCAR/SIMBA Good old days!!!


OMG I HAVE SUCH A MASSIVE BONER NAO

Silentcore

2013-02-13 14:15:52

Time to create thousands of free trial account to vote..

Shatterhand

2013-02-13 14:18:20

From: Silentcore
Time to create thousands of free trial account to vote..

You cant do that. Only real members can vote.
I think I am gonna spend all my rsgp on pins.

kingarabian

2013-02-13 14:19:11

Everyone needs to vote folks.

Jake

2013-02-13 14:44:36

Gonna laugh if this is primarily to get more people to get members and pay

The Killer

2013-02-13 14:46:52

Intresting. But how long will it last? it would properly eliminate several private servers (mainly the profitable ones that require u to p2p)

Kave

2013-02-13 15:34:11

God I look forward this.

E: Imagining all the people raging at packed rock crabs, that should be amusing ;)

DannyRS

2013-02-13 15:53:51

From: Richard
According to the highscores, there are almost 1.8m members, but so many of those are just bots :/
I still stand by what I said about dead content, it'll just end up like RSC.

Think about it, how many people actually play CoD4 consistently?


CoD4 is more active than BO2 on PC,

I'm for fresh start and 07

Neznam

2013-02-13 16:02:55

I wouldn't want to start all over just for this.
I bet they DONT even what this to succeed. They KNOW a huge portion of people won't start all over after all the time they've invested in the game. This is just ridiculous. If we could transfer our accounts then Id support 100%, even pay 15$ extra or whatever needed.

Ashaman88

2013-02-13 16:12:19

it would be fun to bot my way to the top on it though ;)

US Marine

2013-02-13 16:13:22

I'll start over… HELL YEAH! Can play both, still have my maxed.. and max out on regular runescape in a couple of months with some scripts. Sounds good to me.

*Vote 100%*

l6bustank

2013-02-13 16:20:04

Im going to vote yes, I liked the game back then.
On another note, it seems that jagex is beginning to get desperate with their dwindling playerbase. Why would they spend so much energy on doing this otherwise?

Shatterhand

2013-02-13 16:20:38

From: Ashaman88
it would be fun to bot my way to the top on it though ;)

This. :D

Neznam

2013-02-13 16:21:14

I still think this is set up to fail. Come on don't you see it?
No way seeing this go past 1 or 2 tier.
I bet they want it to tier 1, so people pay extra. So lame.

Which is like having micro transactions. B.S

Austin

2013-02-13 16:47:29

Well, time for S U O M I to start all over again. This time he only has to get 4.6bil xp though.

tealc

2013-02-13 16:56:07

This won't last long unless it reaches level 4, but even then jagex would mess it up with new content.

Austin

2013-02-13 17:04:12

From: bob_saget
This won't last long unless it reaches level 4, but even then jagex would mess it up with new content.


The players would get to vote on what content they want or not.

DannyRS

2013-02-13 17:04:58

From: bob_saget
This won't last long unless it reaches level 4, but even then jagex would mess it up with new content.


Will easily, I got sooo many PM's from ppl today who haven't played in year's

word will spread, give it a day or two

tealc

2013-02-13 17:27:45

@Austin -jagex will do anything if a couple people on forums whine long enough

@DannyRS -The poll is members only and i'm guessing most people who haven't played in years aren't members

Sin

2013-02-13 17:32:14

Fyze

Jun2012
13-Feb-2013 21:35:08 Profile Highlight Report
Friend sent me this, just posting it here if it hasn't been yet.

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This is your one-stop list of things that many players use that would not be in 2007scape. The purpose of this post is to allow readers to mentally sort out what did or did not come after August 2007. Basically:

Don't vote for the 2007 servers if you're nostalgic for old/original versions of anything on this list, or enjoy anything on this list. Remember that falsely inflating the interest in 2007scape (voting yes even if you're not actually interested) could have negative financial repercussions for Jagex.
Do vote for the 2007 servers if you dislike the things on this list.

I created this list by using this page from RSWikia.

The backup that Jagex has is from August 10, 2007. Updates between that date and the end of 2010-ish include:

Bosses

God Wars Dungeon
Corporeal Beast
Tormented Demons
Glacors

Quests

All quests above and including Path of Glouphrie in the full list of quests
Legacy of Seergaze (+ Branches of Darkmeyer)
Spirit of Summer (+ Summer's End)
Temple at Senntisten
Nomad's Requiem
Most of the Void series (Void Dance onward)
While Guthix Sleeps (+ Ritual of the Mahjarrat)
Smoking Kills

Skills

Summoning
Dungeoneering
Your current skills
"Grimy" Herbs (They will be "unids"
ZMI Altar
Slayer Reward Points
Herblore Habitat and Juju potions

Combat

High level potions (Super Antifire, Extremes, Overloads, Renewals)
Kuradel
Surge spells
Ancient Curses
Augury and Rigour
Dragon Defender
Damage Soaking
Autocasting without a staff, autocasting god spells and Iban Blast
Dragon Claws, Godswords, and Chaotics
A working combat triangle

Minigames

Fist of Guthix
Stealing Creation
Soul Wars
Conquest
Clan Wars

Distractions and Diversions

Fish Flingers
Familiarization
Balthazar Beauregard's Big Top Bonanza
Shattered Heart (aka "Stran
Quote
Fyze

Jun2012
13-Feb-2013 21:36:02 Profile Highlight Report
ge Rocks"
Court Cases

Miscellaneous

The Grand Exchange
All Acheivement Diaries and Task Sets except Easy, Medium, and Hard Karamja
Orb of Oculus (no 2007 machinima)
No cooldown for Home Teleport (was 30 minutes)
Max, Completion, and Milestone capes
All rares (Not because rares were post-2007, but rather because everyone will start from scratch on 2007scape)
Resting and Musicians
Removal of random events

Banks

Tabs
Search
Deposit/Withdraw X
Bank space counter
Left-click Bank (instead of Talk)
Money pouch
Price checker

Game Mechanics

LootShare and CoinShare
RuneScape HD
Item Lending
In-game world selection/hopping
Photo Booth / Forum Avatars
DirectX mode This means that certain game recording software such as Fraps will not be able to hook into RS2007
Z-buffering, a major animation update
Bank equip screen
Separate clan and friends chats
Any game language other than English
XP tracker and pop-ups
BotNuke and BotWatch (possibly)


List of things that wont be in RS2007, hope you guys have fun :D

rj

2013-02-13 17:33:56

why can I not see this thread at the top?

Jake

2013-02-13 17:38:34

From: rjj95
why can I not see this thread at the top?

Can you not see this on top of the forums either? ..

rj

2013-02-13 17:39:33

From: Four
Can you not see this on top of the forums either? ..


I see it fine, but I also cannot find the thread

Shatterhand

2013-02-14 13:28:16

From: rjj95
I see it fine, but I also cannot find the thread

Its because the forum is ordered by Title.

EDIT:
Great news! :D

inferno

2013-02-14 15:49:50

This is interesting. Whilst I would welcome the chance to play again on a 2007 era server, I have to wonder about the longevity of it. Certainly a lot of past players would return to give it a go, and many more would join simply to try and become one of the best at whichever area they focus on but I can see the playerbase dropping after the novelty of it has worn off. People will realise how much effort it takes starting over and not want to throw away all the time they spent on the 'main' servers. Returning players may see that they joined purely for nostalgic purposes and find that they just don't find it as enjoyable as they did 6 years ago, 6 years is a long time for people to mature and change their expectations of games.

Perhaps most importantly, bots will be rife. It may be hypocritical of me to say this, but if the 2007 server is to live then botting as it exists today cannot infect it. Cheating on RuneScape changed completely with the release of Aryan. Before that, most people focused on cheating as just a way to get an edge, a few extra levels while you were at school. Afterwards and since, people bot numerous accounts at once, bot 24/7, farm millions and millions in gold. This ethos really did have an incredibly detrimental effect on RuneScape, it forced Jagex to take drastic measures and take the game in a direction that was necessary to save it but drove so many players - legitimate and cheaters (including myself) - away. In my opinion cheating would have to return to the pre-Aryan days (for the 2007 server, not the main game) where it supplemented your gameplay, instead of replacing it.

Sorry for rambling on, I'm getting old. This was just meant to be a 'Looks neat, I'd definitely play again for a while'.

Richard

2013-02-14 16:41:17

From: inferno
This is interesting. Whilst I would welcome the chance to play again on a 2007 era server, I have to wonder about the longevity of it. Certainly a lot of past players would return to give it a go, and many more would join simply to try and become one of the best at whichever area they focus on but I can see the playerbase dropping after the novelty of it has worn off. People will realise how much effort it takes starting over and not want to throw away all the time they spent on the 'main' servers. Returning players may see that they joined purely for nostalgic purposes and find that they just don't find it as enjoyable as they did 6 years ago, 6 years is a long time for people to mature and change their expectations of games.

Perhaps most importantly, bots will be rife. It may be hypocritical of me to say this, but if the 2007 server is to live then botting as it exists today cannot infect it. Cheating on RuneScape changed completely with the release of Aryan. Before that, most people focused on cheating as just a way to get an edge, a few extra levels while you were at school. Afterwards and since, people bot numerous accounts at once, bot 24/7, farm millions and millions in gold. This ethos really did have an incredibly detrimental effect on RuneScape, it forced Jagex to take drastic measures and take the game in a direction that was necessary to save it but drove so many players - legitimate and cheaters (including myself) - away. In my opinion cheating would have to return to the pre-Aryan days (for the 2007 server, not the main game) where it supplemented your gameplay, instead of replacing it.

Sorry for rambling on, I'm getting old. This was just meant to be a 'Looks neat, I'd definitely play again for a while'.


That's one hell of a come back post!

I totally agree with what you've said about botting not being what it used to be. One of reasons I stopped was that I didn't want to be associated with this PB users just trying to grow their e-peens.

Could be interesting to see how an independent economy grows. I wonder inter-game trades, with people offering items on their current game accounts for items on the '07 game.

tounsi

2013-02-14 17:12:53

Looks good to see this happening!! Might actually come back to Runescape now

The only issue I see, is those gold farming bots, they could totally ruin the game… but I don't think it will be an issue at the start.. but can be after a while, but hopefully it can be stopped

But starting from scratch again will kind of suck.. not as much time to play the game as we did when we were younger

Anyways, this will be great if it comes back, look forward to playing it again :D

Austin

2013-02-14 19:47:29

From: Sin
List of things that wont be in RS2007, hope you guys have fun :D


Yeah, bossing would basically be obsolete. Bossing/Dungeoneering/Flipping or merching on g.e. are currently my favorite things to do on RS. All of those would be gone on 07scape.

I won't be voting for it, but would still be interesting to see how many votes there will be by the end of tomorrow.

Olly

2013-02-15 12:55:04

@inferno woah, talk about an "oldie" :p