SRL Archive - NOTA

Somebody might mix 2 common household chemicals and kill people must ban them now! *cough cough* ammonia and bleach *cough cough*

While were at it the following things are should be BANNED because they are to dangerous:

cars paint guns knives brass knuckles anything sharp or pointed clubs walking sticks pencils pens cleaning chemicals toothbrush's handcuffs metal gas lighters matches fireworks gunpowder flammable objects shovels should be illegal to have a fire lit at any time bricks concrete

Very ignorant. Why is this in the news section?

I kinda agree with the principle, but this post is going to get you flamed ;)

You shuda atleast put it in the spam section

From: DannyRS
I kinda agree with the principle, but this post is going to get you flamed ;)

You shuda atleast put it in the spam section

yea ik. idc though

Welcome to the red rep club… I'll be leaving shortly.
Just because something is dangerous doesn't mean it should be banned.
In the school shooting case this is an extreme. It is the last straw- too many schools- too many people dead because of guns.
Now don't pull some cigarettes, car accidents, and fire shit on me.
There have to be changes to the gun laws. Things are happening that should be stopped.

The following is what I would like to see more restrictions on (I crossed out the items that have non-lethal uses):

cars
paint
guns
knives
brass knuckles
anything sharp or pointed
clubs
walking sticks
pencils
pens
cleaning chemicals
toothbrush's
handcuffs
metal
gas
lighters
matches
fireworks
gunpowder
flammable objects
shovels
should be illegal to have a fire lit at any time
bricks
concrete

Unless you hunt, what do you need guns/gunpowder for? And what is the issue with a background check to get them?

What would anyone want brass knuckles for? Name one non violent use.

From: ___
Welcome to the red rep club… I'll be leaving shortly.
Just because something is dangerous doesn't mean it should be banned.
In the school shooting case this is an extreme. It is the last straw- too many schools- too many people dead because of guns.
Now don't pull some cigarettes, car accidents, and fire shit on me.
There have to be changes to the gun laws. Things are happening that should be stopped.

OMFJGJGJDDKDD ONE GUY SHOOTS A SCHOOL WHO DIDN'T EVEN LEGALLY OWN A GUN LETS BLAME LEGAL GUN OWNERS SDJFGJDJKJFDLKDFGLJSKFJDF.

Pro solution: Every person buying a gun should have to have a permit, a background check, and be required to take a safety class, and a class on how to use the gun they plan on purchasing. Also: At gun shows, if a person at a gun show is caught selling a gun without a background check, that person should be convicted as a black market gun dealer and sent to prison for up to 5 years, and if any guns were sold from him the crime that the person committed using that gun will be added on to his time.

From: BMWxi
The following is what I would like to see more restrictions on (I crossed out the items that have non-lethal uses):

cars
paint
guns
knives
brass knuckles
anything sharp or pointed
clubs
walking sticks
pencils
pens
cleaning chemicals
toothbrush's
handcuffs
metal
gas
lighters
matches
fireworks
gunpowder
flammable objects
shovels
should be illegal to have a fire lit at any time
bricks
concrete

Knives and cars have non lethal uses?

From: rjj95
Knives and cars have non lethal uses?

Well obviously suppose a knife can be used on a dead animal or plant, and dont get me started on the car damage thing again lol

From: rjj95
Knives and cars have non lethal uses?

Yes.

Knives: Commonly used to chop vegetables or other food.
Cars: Transportation of people from Point A to Point B.

From: BMWxi
Yes.

Knives: Commonly used to chop vegetables or other food.
Cars: Transportation of people from Point A to Point B.

Are you sure i can't just run somebody over with a car? What if i was in New York City I could plow down a good 30-40 people+ with a truck in times square no less then 2 feet away from the road

This thread is just really stupid, next time post in the spam section.

From: ___
Welcome to the red rep club… I'll be leaving shortly.
Just because something is dangerous doesn't mean it should be banned.
In the school shooting case this is an extreme. It is the last straw- too many schools- too many people dead because of guns.
Now don't pull some cigarettes, car accidents, and fire shit on me.
There have to be changes to the gun laws. Things are happening that should be stopped.

Welcome back to the green box club.

From: rjj95
Are you sure i can't just run somebody over with a car? What if i was in New York City I could plow down a good 30-40 people+ with a truck in times square no less then 2 feet away from the road

You asked for non lethal uses so I gave them. To futher explain my point, most people use cars for driving, not mowing down pedestrians. Most people use knives for cutting up food, not stabbing people.

Don't believe me? Print this short survey off and hand it out to everyone you know:

[CENTER][U]Survey[/U][/CENTER]

1. Do you usually use a knife to ________

    [] Stab someone.

    [] Chop vegetables.


2. Do you usually use a car to ________ 

    [] Run over pedestrians.

    [] Drive from place to place.

From: BMWxi
You asked for non lethal uses so I gave them. To futher explain my point, most people use cars for driving, not mowing down pedestrians. Most people use knives for cutting up food, not stabbing people. (Don't believe me? Ask everyone you know and ask them if they more often use a knife to cut food or stab someone.)

And most people use guns for hunting or self defense. What's your point?

From: rjj95
And most people use guns for hunting or self defense. What's your point?

In what case is somebody so defenseless that the only suitable defense is a gun? Usually when another gun is in play?
Hunting doesn't involve AR-15s… not even rednecks are that stupid.

ban water, its very dangerous in many different ways…..

From: ___
In what case is somebody so defenseless that the only suitable defense is a gun? Usually when another gun is in play?
Hunting doesn't involve AR-15s… not even rednecks are that stupid.

Yea but if u make guns illegal, the other guy (criminal) will then have one and you wont, and thats just dumb

And if you limit me to a pistol, and he has an assult rifle, same problem, likely hes going to get me first

-from a UK resident where gun rules are strict as hell

Edited my post, and included a short survey. Feel free to hand it out to those you know.

I will post this survey whenever someone says: Ban [Common household item] because it could be used to harm others.

From: ___
In what case is somebody so defenseless that the only suitable defense is a gun? Usually when another gun is in play?
Hunting doesn't involve AR-15s… not even rednecks are that stupid.

Yes. Exactly. I'm glad you understand.

Survey

1. Do you usually use a gun to ________

[] Kill 20 children.

[] Hunt.

[] Defend yourself.


Your arguement is invalid.. and can be turned around either way. What percent of [LEGIT][PERMIT HOLDING]gun owners use their guns to massacre people? Hmm?

From: chief herb
ban water, its very dangerous in many different ways…..

Haha.
Ban Education, they're all making us think the same way!

From: rjj95
What percent of [LEGIT][PERMIT HOLDING]gun owners use their guns to massacre people? Hmm?

He got his guns from a legitimate permit holding gun owner (his mother)

From: BMWxi
He got his guns from a legitimate permit holding gun owner (his mother)

Exactly. This is were we probably come to an agreement:

From: rjj95
Pro solution: Every person buying a gun should have to have a permit, a background check, and be required to take a safety class, and a class on how to use the gun they plan on purchasing. Also: At gun shows, if a person at a gun show is caught selling a gun without a background check, that person should be convicted as a black market gun dealer and sent to prison for up to 5 years, and if any guns were sold from him the crime that the person committed using that gun will be added on to his time.

From: rjj95
Yes. Exactly. I'm glad you understand.

Survey

1. Do you usually use a gun to ________

[] Kill 20 children.

[] Hunt.

[] Defend yourself.


Your arguement is invalid.. and can be turned around either way. What percent of [LEGIT][PERMIT HOLDING]gun owners use their guns to massacre people? Hmm?

Your not getting it…
People dont hunt with assault rifles… they hunt with- hunting rifles..
People don't defend themselves with guns against retarded hoboes, they defend themselves from other gunmen.

Piers wants to ban assault rifles, no hunting rifles and pistols. The amendment is still safe- its just being secured.

From: rjj95
Exactly. This is were we probably come to an agreement:

That is where we come to an agreement, yes. :)

From: ___
Your not getting it…
People dont hunt with assault rifles… they hunt with- hunting rifles..
People don't defend themselves with guns against retarded hoboes, they defend themselves from other gunmen.

Piers wants to ban assault rifles, no hunting rifles and pistols. The amendment is still safe- its just being secured.

Please give a rundown of how to defend yourself against an AR-15 with a Hunting Rifle, becuase i just aint seeing it

From: ___
Your not getting it…
People dont hunt with assault rifles… they hunt with- hunting rifles..
People don't defend themselves with guns against retarded hoboes, they defend themselves from other gunmen.

Piers wants to ban assault rifles, no hunting rifles and pistols. The amendment is still safe- its just being secured.

Define 'assault' Rifles. If we get them banned what's next? .50 cals? 15 round mags? Pistols with a caliber over 9mm?

Try reading my 'Pro' solution.

And wasn't Piers the one that held up with 30 round clip in Washington DC were is was already illegal to have one?Or what that somebody else?

Hey y'all. Just came back from huntin' rabbits and stoof with my MAC-11. Lovin' those fast rounds and that extra penetration power for them extra tough deer skulls. My trusty friend is still the M-9 though I even take it to work just in case someone wants to start summin' with me at the coffee queue.

History shows that where nations that ban guns (for self defence), has very few gun-violations. Why? Because only people who are stupid enough to think they'd need a gun to get out of stupid things, buy one.

Just don't get into stupid things and you'll be fine, just like most of Europe does daily, that's the case in Scandinavia at least.

Guns is the topmost stupidest invention of all man-hood besides the bad outcome of nuclear science (atom bombs and so on). Imagine where we might have been at if it weren't for all the killing and all the wars.

Man I hate guns and war.

E: Talking about assault rifles and other non-hunting rifles

From: Zyt3x
History shows that where nations that ban guns (for self defence), has very few gun-violations. Why? Because only people who are stupid enough to think they'd need a gun to get out of stupid things, buy one.

Just don't get into stupid things and you'll be fine, just like most of Europe does daily, that's the case in Scandinavia at least.

Guns is the topmost stupidest invention of all man-hood besides the bad outcome of nuclear science (atom bombs and so on). Imagine where we might have been at if it weren't for all the killing and all the wars.

Man I hate guns and war.

E: Talking about assault rifles and other non-hunting rifles

Agreed.

From: Runehack123
Hey y'all. Just came back from huntin' rabbits and stoof with my MAC-11. Lovin' those fast rounds and that extra penetration power for them extra tough deer skulls. My trusty friend is still the M-9 though I even take it to work just in case someone wants to start summin' with me at the coffee queue.

Theres a limit on how many you can hunt.. so in the end it does not matter what you use..

From: Zyt3x
History shows that where nations that ban guns (for self defence), has very few gun-violations. Why? Because only people who are stupid enough to think they'd need a gun to get out of stupid things, buy one.

Just don't get into stupid things and you'll be fine, just like most of Europe does daily, that's the case in Scandinavia at least.

Guns is the topmost stupidest invention of all man-hood besides the bad outcome of nuclear science (atom bombs and so on). Imagine where we might have been at if it weren't for all the killing and all the wars.

Man I hate guns and war.

E: Talking about assault rifles and other non-hunting rifles

Say what you want, they already here.

From: Runehack123
Hey y'all. Just came back from huntin' rabbits and stoof with my MAC-11. Lovin' those fast rounds and that extra penetration power for them extra tough deer skulls. My trusty friend is still the M-9 though I even take it to work just in case someone wants to start summin' with me at the coffee queue.

Lol'd irl, and still smiling :p

From: DannyRS
Yea but if u make guns illegal, the other guy (criminal) will then have one and you wont, and thats just dumb

And if you limit me to a pistol, and he has an assult rifle, same problem, likely hes going to get me first

-from a UK resident where gun rules are strict as hell

But whether or not Assault rifles are banned, you would be in the same predicament.
At the school in Newtown, assault rifles weren't banned- the people weren't prepared, and the shooter was heavilly armed.
How can you prepare to be hunted? A pistol or an AR-15 won't do much difference when a guy bent on killing you is beating down your door.

I feel misunderstood. I feel Piers is right.

i just know that if they were to ban the "gnarly bad" guns people will still have them.

the cartel already doesnt play what if they know you dont have guns and they do….
bums dont have guns they have needles, knifes, and broken crack pipes

i can get a gun within an day easy for cheap too, honestly people can go on for days about the gun laws and what not. but people kill people weather they use a gun,knife,poison,there bare hands!!! ETC…

From: ___
But whether or not Assault rifles are banned, you would be in the same predicament.
At the school in Newtown, assault rifles weren't banned- the people weren't prepared, and the shooter was heavilly armed.
How can you prepare to be hunted? A pistol or an AR-15 won't do much difference when a guy bent on killing you is beating down your door.

I feel misunderstood. I feel Piers is right.

What does banning guns do? If anything a crazy person sees elementry school:"OOO look defenseless people NOBODY IN THERE HAZ A GUN I IS UNSTOPPABLE"

going to bed be on l8er

From: rjj95
What does banning guns do? If anything a crazy person sees elementry school:"OOO look defenseless people NOBODY IN THERE HAZ A GUN I IS UNSTOPPABLE"

going to bed be on l8er

Nobody has guns already! Not every school has an armed guard on every corner. People will always be vulnerable. We need a gun ban. Then there are LESS guns at the disposal of psycopaths and school shooters. People shouldn't be shooting people in the first place.
Or do we just wait on Obama's next apology and his reworded condolences?

From: ___
Nobody has guns already! Not every school has an armed guard on every corner. People will always be vulnerable. We need a gun ban. Then there are LESS guns at the disposal of psycopaths and school shooters. People shouldn't be shooting people in the first place.
Or do we just wait on Obama's next apology and his reworded condolences?

The people killing people will kill them with something else, just the media wouldent care as much and you wouldent hear about it

From: DannyRS
The people killing people will kill them with something else, just the media wouldent care as much and you wouldent hear about it

With what? Something else at least wouldn't be an assault rifle… I would much rather die by a knife rather than being mowed down by an assault rifle.

From: ___
With what? Something else at least wouldn't be an assault rifle… I would much rather die by a knife rather than being mowed down by an assault rifle.

Ok so slowly bleed out over instant death, if you can pick, seems the logical way to go

Just FYI theres so many things you could buy at walmart and do more damage in a shool than with than an assult rifle

From: DannyRS
Ok so slowly bleed out over instant death, if you can pick, seems the logical way to go

Just FYI theres so many things you could buy at walmart and do more damage in a shool than with than an assult rifle

Like chips, obesity is a huge killer (no pun intended :p)

From: DannyRS
Ok so slowly bleed out over instant death, if you can pick, seems the logical way to go

Just FYI theres so many things you could buy at walmart and do more damage in a shool than with than an assult rifle

wouldn't you rather sleep knowing that no psychopath is going to buy big gun at wal mart to rampage a school?
The fact that there will be far less guns is a better thought than there being so many so readily available.

From: ___
wouldn't you rather sleep knowing that no psychopath is going to buy big gun at wal mart to rampage a school?
The fact that there will be far less guns is a better thought than there being so many so readily available.

Couldent really care less about the guns, would be happy if the phycopathic killer was gone tho, would you really rather die by a knife?!?! In what way is the knife a better way to go

From: DannyRS
Couldent really care less about the guns, would be happy if the phycopathic killer was gone tho, would you really rather die by a knife?!?! In what way is the knife a better way to go

Now that I think about it, no… I would kind of rather it be over sooner rather than drawn out and painful. But I would rather not be killed by a psycho who bought an assault rifle from the nearest minimart…

Just so everyone is clear, I hold nobody against what they say. It is merely a belief that carries no further than this thread.

From: ___
Now that I think about it, no… I would kind of rather it be over sooner rather than drawn out and painful. But I would rather not be killed by a psycho who bought an assault rifle from the nearest minimart…

Even if they used freedom bullets?

From: ___

Just so everyone is clear, I hold nobody against what they say. It is merely a belief that carries no further than this thread.

Good policy, we're all friends at Villavu :)

From: ___
Now that I think about it, no… I would kind of rather it be over sooner rather than drawn out and painful. But I would rather not be killed by a psycho who bought an assault rifle from the nearest minimart…

Glad to hear your still sane,

But dying by phycopath with gun is by logical decision then, better than phycopath with knife, if you look at it selfishly and dont care how much damage he can do after hes done with you

Edit - i wish everyone would have that policy, i also live by it

If there's one thing history taught us, it's that children need guns for defence.

From: Runehack123
If there's one thing history taught us, it's that children need guns for defence.

All that image says to me is that children need parents that dont mess with the global superpower

From: DannyRS
All that image says to me is that children need parents that dont mess with the global superpower

Yes, they had it coming I agree, because their parents were living in huts and working as farmers. It was a bad move - they had to die.

Also, when Vietnam decided to declare war on the USA that's when this all started so guns aren't really to blame here. It's the fact that Vietnam declared war on the USA and this was a war of self-defence.

From: Runehack123
Yes, they had it coming I agree, because their parents were living in huts and working as farmers. It was a bad move - they had to die.

They tried to minimize civilian casualties, but thats what you get when the enemy hide behind the innocent, at some point somethings going to give, they should have left, and if their own soldiers wouldent let them, blame them, not us

From: DannyRS
They tried to minimize civilian casualties, but thats what you get when the enemy hide behind the innocent, at some point somethings going to give, they should have left, and if their own soldiers wouldent let them, blame them, not us

Yes, agreed, because Vietnam declared war on the USA and we showed these monkeys not to mess with us.

From: Runehack123
Yes, agreed, because Vietnam declared war on the USA and we showed these monkeys not to mess with us.

Dont even know where your going with that, we helped out the other side because they are allied with us, they were fighting before we got there

But whatever I'm going to bed

From: DannyRS
Please give a rundown of how to defend yourself against an AR-15 with a Hunting Rifle, becuase i just aint seeing it

No one will break into your house with an AR15, because a break-in with a rifle (or shotgun for that matter) isn't practical. It's a cumbersome two-handed weapon that's too long to use in a close quarters environment like a house, and you can't hold someone up with it and perform another action (like taking a wallet, hitting a light switch, ect.) at the same time.

You defend yourself by being smarter. Use a lightweight, medium calibur semi-auto pistol (like a Glock 17); and use your environment to your advantage by doing things like leaving all of the lights off and using a strobing tactical light to blind them.

I'm betting you have a more fantastical than realistic view of how gunfights happen, because there's never more than a shot or two fired before it's over. In home defense situations, it's sometimes possible to resolve without a shot being fired at all; once one of the parties has a distinct upper hand, the other won't usually risk death.

From: Runehack123
Yes, agreed, because Vietnam declared war on the USA and we showed these monkeys not to mess with us.

Most Americans consider the Vietnam War a loss for us, and it's not taught in schools for that very reason. Something that upsets me greatly, but that I can't change.

This would have died down normally but there still are shootings in America which keeps it on top of the news, it's so bad what that country has become now tis so true what Immortal Technique says

From: ___
Now that I think about it, no… I would kind of rather it be over sooner rather than drawn out and painful. But I would rather not be killed by a psycho who bought an assault rifle from the nearest minimart…

Just so everyone is clear, I hold nobody against what they say. It is merely a belief that carries no further than this thread.

What are you even talking about? THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT HAPPENED LOL. You realize people with mental problems are not allowed to own guns? It's the idiot moms fault for not knowing basic gun safety ex keeping guns locked up

How about this thread gets moved into the NOTA section before people get 100+ posts for spamming..

OT: Whatever we say will have no affect on the current situation, so why bother.. And I don't see the point in comparing the U.S. to other countries with different gun laws. I can guarantee you if we had the same gun laws as another country with stricter gun laws, the results would be different. It depends all on how people are raised (morals and media). Doesn't mean I agree with our current gun laws either, just means that not much can be done about them.

But why would the mom lock up the gun? What if she isn't at home and a shady dark stranger tries to intrude?! Children need full access to guns to guarantee their safety. You can't blame the mother for being considerate and caring for the safety of her children.

From: Runehack123
But why would the mom lock up the gun? What if she isn't at home and a shady dark stranger tries to intrude?! Children need full access to guns to guarantee their safety. You can't blame the mother for being considerate and caring for the safety of her children.

[YOUTUBE]ZbsBj8NRufw[/YOUTUBE]

This is what happens when you leave your guns out with kids

When did we start trolling ourselves =?

From: Runehack123
But why would the mom lock up the gun? What if she isn't at home and a shady dark stranger tries to intrude?! Children need full access to guns to guarantee their safety. You can't blame the mother for being considerate and caring for the safety of her children.

Get off this thread if your not going to debate

ban lysol. did you know in 1918 lysol was used sold as a feminine hygiene product. (vagina wash)

From: rjj95
Get off this thread if your not going to debate

What makes you think I'm not debating? I just pointed out that children should also have access to guns because they are the people that need defence from psychos and rapists the most!

From: Runehack123
What makes you think I'm not debating? I just pointed out that children should also have access to guns because they are the people that need defence from psychos and rapists the most!

You are trolling.

From: rjj95
You are trolling.

Woah there! You're just saying that because I made a valid point that defeats your whole argument. :)

From: Runehack123
Woah there! You're just saying that because I made a valid point that defeats your whole argument. :)

It actually does not. Because my argument was for gun owners to lock guns away, and based off your sarcastic post, you agreed.

So..

So why do you say I'm trolling? :confused:

I think you're the one trolling me by saying that I am trolling and not debating. So please, why are you saying this? What did I ever do to offend you this much? :(

Fail attempt to get de-rep.

Respect level -= 9001

Moved to NOTA due to NOTA-like content

From: Zyt3x
Moved to NOTA due to NOTA-like content

thanks

I heard this somewhere, can't remember where though :

You leave your medical care to the doctors, why can't you leave your shooting to the police?

From: BMWxi
thanks

I heard this somewhere, can't remember where though :

that is the smartest quote I have ever heard!

How many people have died due to pens and pencils? Compare that to how many people died to guns. There's your answer.

/Closed

From: Rincewind
How many people have died due to pens and pencils? Compare that to how many people died to guns. There's your answer.

/Closed

Let's ban Oxygen.
It's a poison that slowly kills you.

It's been proven that 100% of people who drink water will eventually die. Ban tiem.

From: Tlachtli
It's been proven that 100% of people who drink water will eventually die. Ban tiem.

Food too :s

This has not been proven. In fact, you can't even prove it as you can not falsify the reverse.

From: NKN
Let's ban Oxygen.
It's a poison that slowly kills you.

According to The Daily Show by Jon Stewart, oxygen causes women more miscarriages than guns kill people.

From: BMWxi
The following is what I would like to see more restrictions on (I crossed out the items that have non-lethal uses):

cars
paint
guns
knives
brass knuckles
anything sharp or pointed
clubs
walking sticks
pencils
pens
cleaning chemicals
toothbrush's
handcuffs
metal
gas
lighters
matches
fireworks
gunpowder
flammable objects
shovels
should be illegal to have a fire lit at any time
bricks
concrete

Unless you hunt, what do you need guns/gunpowder for? And what is the issue with a background check to get them?

What would anyone want brass knuckles for? Name one non violent use.

Gunpowder is used in fireworks, model rockets and a few industrial tools. Bean bag gun, flare gun, stun gun, guns that fire rubber bullets, and nerf guns all have non lethal uses and most could could easily be converted into lethal weapons.

In what case is somebody so defenseless that the only suitable defense is a gun? Usually when another gun is in play?
Hunting doesn't involve AR-15s… not even rednecks are that stupid.

My roommate last year went hunting with his AR-15.

When i first read this post, i didn't know whether you were being sarcastic or not :S

Add guns to the list. Do you usually go ape shit and mas murder people with guns? Or do you usually hunt or use them for self-defense?

you're right, change the survey to violent or non-violent.

And because you asked, I usually do neither, because I don't consider needlessly taking the life of an animal or human to be one of my rights.

From: Rincewind
How many people have died due to pens and pencils? Compare that to how many people died to guns. There's your answer.

/Closed

Actually cars kill more people then guns.

From: rjj95
Actually cars kill more people then guns.

Well yeh but its a unwinnable battle your fighting here, nobody's going to change their mind because of our opinions on the subject lol

Again? as i said it is easier to kill with a gun that is made with the purpouse of KILLING that others with purpouse completely diferent. If a person (crazy person) wants to kill he will kill with a stone, but its easier to kill with a gun.

Also innocent people can defend therselfs better from stones that from semi autos or high caliber guns.


( I don't care if you say defend, they are many other ways to defends, but if you decide to defend yourself with guns you are surely going to cause injuries to the other)

How many massacres have been made with guns? how many with knifes? how many massacres have been made with cars? Stop playing GTA a person cant kill 30 people with only one car…

From: eduardo230

( I don't care if you say defend, they are many other ways to defends, but if you decide to defend yourself with guns you are surely going to cause injuries to the other)

How many massacres have been made with guns? how many with knifes? how many massacres have been made with cars? Stop playing GTA a person cant kill 30 people with only one car…

Duno what car you drive, but mine could easily make 20-30 people before stopping,

Please explain how one can defend themselves with no gun from someone weilding an automatic rifle, pretty sure without harming them it cant be done,

From: DannyRS
Duno what car you drive, but mine could easily make 20-30 people before stopping,

Please explain how one can defend themselves with no gun from someone weilding an automatic rifle, pretty sure without harming them it cant be done,

Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) is the natural chemical extract found in chili peppers. Most people know it as pepper spray. It has to hit the target directly in the eyes, nose, or mouth to be most effective. The chemical creates a burning sensation which translates into making the bad guy's eyes slam shut. Also, the capillaries dilate which causes temporary blindness. Most unpleasant and somewhat disorienting - for the bad guy, that is.

The instant inflammation also causes problems with some pretty serious consequences. Everything but life-sustaining breathing and uncontrollable coughing is restricted and the effect can take as long as 20 minutes before it wears off. That translates into enough time for you to get away and call for help.

DannyRS - what you need is pepper spray. :)

From: Runehack123
Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) is the natural chemical extract found in chili peppers. Most people know it as pepper spray. It has to hit the target directly in the eyes, nose, or mouth to be most effective. The chemical creates a burning sensation which translates into making the bad guy's eyes slam shut. Also, the capillaries dilate which causes temporary blindness. Most unpleasant and somewhat disorienting - for the bad guy, that is.

The instant inflammation also causes problems with some pretty serious consequences. Everything but life-sustaining breathing and uncontrollable coughing is restricted and the effect can take as long as 20 minutes before it wears off. That translates into enough time for you to get away and call for help.

DannyRS - what you need is pepper spray. :)

So many cases were police have sprayed criminals with pepper spray with no effect.. if somebody is trying to harm me its not my job to keep them safe sorry but im not "caring" towards criminals.

From: DannyRS
Duno what car you drive, but mine could easily make 20-30 people before stopping,

Please explain how one can defend themselves with no gun from someone weilding an automatic rifle, pretty sure without harming them it cant be done,

If you'll read my earlier post in response to you, you'll see why it's unlikely you'll ever be against an automatic. Also to recap something from that post, you win by knowing the environment and by being smarter.

But if insist on staying on this track, there are a few ways to stop someone holding a rifle when you don't have a gun. If you're strong enough to overpower them, grabbing the front end of the stock instantly gives you control of where that rifle's pointing; even if you can't take it, he won't be able to point at you. Word of caution, don't grab the metal or you'll get burned if it goes off. Stomp their foot, knee their nuts, bite, do whatever it takes to get them on the ground.

If you can't overpower them, grab a kitchen knife and come from behind. There's no way someone will turn around once there's a knife on their neck. If you're not near a kitchen a decent choke hold works too, but it's harder to pull off. A rifle is too big to aim behind someone, so as long as you can stay behind them you're pretty safe.

You should be more afraid of a pistol than an automatic, as none of that works nearly as well against a smaller gun.

From: Runehack123

DannyRS - what you need is pepper spray. :)

yea right so i have time to spray that out at gunpoint, lol jk dead

From: Tlachtli
If you'll read my earlier post in response to you, you'll see why it's unlikely you'll ever be against an automatic. Also to recap something from that post, you win by knowing the environment and by being smarter.

Assume I'm 10-20 feet away with no exits or obstacles ?, lol dead

I don't work life on unlikeliness if there's any chance, there's a chance

From: Tlachtli
If you'll read my earlier post in response to you, you'll see why it's unlikely you'll ever be against an automatic. Also to recap something from that post, you win by knowing the environment and by being smarter.

But if insist on staying on this track, there are a few ways to stop someone holding a rifle when you don't have a gun. If you're strong enough to overpower them, grabbing the front end of the stock instantly gives you control of where that rifle's pointing; even if you can't take it, he won't be able to point at you. Word of caution, don't grab the metal or you'll get burned if it goes off. Stomp their foot, knee their nuts, bite, do whatever it takes to get them on the ground.

If you can't overpower them, grab a kitchen knife and come from behind. There's no way someone will turn around once there's a knife on their neck. If you're not near a kitchen a decent choke hold works too, but it's harder to pull off. A rifle is too big to aim behind someone, so as long as you can stay behind them you're pretty safe.

You should be more afraid of a pistol than an automatic, as none of that works nearly as well against a smaller gun.

Why are you on the criminals side? Are you one of those people that beleives in the home owner being charged with assault if he attacks somebody robbing his house?

From: rjj95
Why are you on the criminals side? Are you one of those people that beleives in the home owner being charged with assault if he attacks somebody robbing his house?

Reread? I'm not on the criminals' side.

From: Tlachtli
Reread? I'm not on the criminals' side.

Could be interpreted that you are, and his question is still valid

From: rjj95
Are you one of those people that beleives in the home owner being charged with assault if he attacks somebody robbing his house?

From: DannyRS
Could be interpreted that you are, and his question is still valid

How could that possibly be interpreted that way (use quotations)? You asked how to defend yourself in a certain situation, and I answered. Never did I mention a homeowner or a criminal. If you go back to my post on the previous page I may have (too lazy to check), but not this one.

While it is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making, I am one of the people who believes a homeowner should do all that is necessary to defend themselves, but no more. If they kill a man so be it, so long as it was justified. I'm not against taking a life, I'm against needlessly taking a life.

From: DannyRS
Assume I'm 10-20 feet away with no exits or obstacles ?, lol dead

I don't work life on unlikeliness if there's any chance, there's a chance

What do you want, some magic spell to turn you bulletproof? In this completely one-sided situation, yes you are dead. I keep saying you win by knowing your environment and being smart, specifically because it helps you to avoid this situation.

From: Tlachtli

What do you want, some magic spell to turn you bulletproof? In this completely one-sided situation, yes you are dead. I keep saying you win by knowing your environment and being smart, specifically because it helps you to avoid this situation.

Not if i also have a gun then its not so one-sided is it

No i want what he has, A GUN, at least gives me a chance


i would never needlessly take a life, but if you try to take mine first, then needlessly no longer applies

From: Tlachtli
Reread? I'm not on the criminals' side.

Your implying it by saying pepper spray can do just as good as a job.

From: rjj95
Your implying it by saying pepper spray can do just as good as a job.

I believe that was Runehack

From: DannyRS
Not if i also have a gun then its not so one-sided is it

No i want what he has, A GUN, at least gives me a chance


i would never needlessly take a life, but if you try to take mine first, then needlessly no longer applies

You originally said you need an automatic to beat an automatic. I offered that you're better off in a home-defense situation (the most likely in the context of this discussion) using something like a pistol and a strobe light inside a house, and gave reasons why. You changed the situation and said there was no way to beat someone with an automatic if you are unarmed. I offered several solutions, again with the reasoning behind each. You changed the situation again to say you're twenty feet away with no cover and they're already aiming at you, and blamed my for not taking the new rules into account.

You're not really giving me a fair chance here.

From: Tlachtli

You're not really giving me a fair chance here.

apply latest situation and its daylight strobe light is void, ar15 vs pistol, what wins

From: rjj95
Actually cars kill more people then guns.

Do people kill people on accident with cars or with intent? I never saw a mass murder happen with a car before. There are lots of examples with guns though.

From: Rincewind
Do people kill people on accident with cars or with intent? I never saw a mass murder happen with a car before. There are lots of examples with guns though.

so why should i give up my property just because of a few idiots ?

From: Runehack123
Yes, agreed, because Vietnam declared war on the USA and we showed these monkeys not to mess with us.

When did Vietnam declare war on the USA? :o

From: Alpha Kue
When did Vietnam declare war on the USA? :o

When they attacked an ally of the USA

Who's heard the EDL anthem? You know the one with the 'Muslamic Ray Guns' :duh:

From: DannyRS
When they attacked an ally of the USA

I'm confused, they never attacked a USA ally.

From: Alpha Kue
I'm confused, they never attacked a USA ally.

I don't do history or care about Vietnam, what were the good Vietnamese to USA?

Edit Googled It-

The U.S. was asked by France, via NATO, to keep the communists from "taking over" the French Territory. We sent troops over only to advise, and from there WE were in it and it just went "to hell in a handbasket" to quote a friend of mine. We left over 58,000 Brothers and Sisters there.

So they attacked the USA then

From: DannyRS
apply latest situation and its daylight strobe light is void, ar15 vs pistol, what wins

Assuming both are aware of the presence of the other… whoever fires first. Your point seems to be that an automatic is an auto-win; mine is that it isn't. This is where we differ in opinion, and not much will change that.

From: Tlachtli
Assuming both are aware of the presence of the other… whoever fires first. Your point seems to be that an automatic is an auto-win; mine is that it isn't. This is where we differ in opinion, and not much will change that.

agreed, but, whoever fires first doesent take into account bullet caliber, damage on impact and rate of fire, so guy with ar15 has more chance

Can we all just agree that criminals will always have guns and the 'guns violence in the united states is the highest in the world' is a invalid argument for taking away guns from legit RESPONSIBLE gun owners because upwards of over 90% (Look it up if you don't believe me) of the gun crimes are committed by, you knew it, illegally obtained guns.

How ever I would be in favor of:

-Laws requiring civilians to take a safety course in order to obtain any firearm

-Selling a gun at a gun show without performing a background check on the person be a felony

-The normal background check, no felons, no misdemeanors

Point is we don't want some retarded drunk redneck to be walking around with a loaded .500 Smith and Wesson Magnum at a children's birthday party showing it off to his redneck friends " Hi ya man check out dis dern .500 Smith and Wesson Magnum dis her bullet is the size of my finger here har har har"

From: DannyRS
Duno what car you drive, but mine could easily make 20-30 people before stopping,

Please explain how one can defend themselves with no gun from someone wielding an automatic rifle, pretty sure without harming them it cant be done,

Well people need to be really slow or dumb to not notice that people is being kill and get out of the way. if i see someone driving trough people i will take cover medicinally. Well lets assume that the first five people cant take cover.. but it is almost impossible to kill 30 people with a car


Also it is very curious how you can be in an open area without obstacles with a guy with a gun if you are not in a war. Even in a war is difficult to achieve that.
Trust me my country (Mexico)is in somewhat a war whit Narcotraficants and we don't need guns to protect us, we need to ban completely the guns that these guy get from countries like in USA and blackmarkets.


well i agree with more measures to sell arms, i will also make obligatory to make Yearly registrations or check-ups so this arms dont cross borders

From: eduardo230
Well people need to be really slow or dumb to not notice that people is being kill and get out of the way. if i see someone driving trough people i will take cover medicinally. Well lets assume that the first five people cant take cover.. but it is almost impossible to kill 30 people with a car


Also it is very curious how you can be in an open area without obstacles with a guy with a gun if you are not in a war. Even in a war is difficult to achieve that.
Trust me my country (Mexico)is in somewhat a war whit Narcotraficants and we don't need guns to protect us, we need to ban completely the guns that these guy get from countries like in USA and blackmarkets.


well i agree with more measures to sell arms, i will also make obligatory to make Yearly registrations or check-ups so this arms dont cross borders

LOL " WE DON'T NEED GUNS TO PROTECT US" BAHAHAHAH LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLL CARTELS RUN LIKE HALF THE CITIES IN MEXICO LMFAO!

Oh, and yes.. it is very possible to run over 30 people in a car..
This is times square, on a normal night:

From: rjj95
LOL " WE DON'T NEED GUNS TO PROTECT US" BAHAHAHAH LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLL CARTELS RUN LIKE HALF THE CITIES IN MEXICO LMFAO!

Oh, and yes.. it is very possible to run over 30 people in a car..
This is times square, on a normal night:

Well no need to laugh.. this is a "civilized" debate isnt it?

Unafortunatly that's true cartels are very powerful, but almost all the power they get is because of weapons. They have an army that can fight many armies in the world. This army gets their weapons of many unregulated countries. They also get them from black markets, but many do this: Pay a normal citizen with no penal backgrounds to buy weapons for them and they pay this guy a lot of money.
Trust me two days ago the house after the house next to mine received 2500 bullets.

Unregulated arm selling not only affects your schools and young ones, they also affect other countries children and citizens.

(im not stating that this is the ultimate salvation, but regulating and baning some eweopns from countries like USA will help a lot to your fellow compatriots and to other countries)

Well its true you can kill 30 people with one car, but common how many masacres have you heard about with this method? And int one year we have seen many masacres 2 in you counrty and many other in others.

Everybody needs to shut up tbh, guns are shit, weapons are shit, war is shit, killing people is shit.

Now, just lock this thread since it's a potential flamecano just waiting to explode.

From: eduardo230
Well no need to laugh.. this is a "civilized" debate isnt it?

Unafortunatly that's true cartels are very powerful, but almost all the power they get is because of weapons. They have an army that can fight many armies in the world. This army gets their weapons of many unregulated countries. They also get them from black markets, but many do this: Pay a normal citizen with no penal backgrounds to buy weapons for them and they pay this guy a lot of money.
Trust me two days ago the house after the house next to mine received 2500 bullets.

Unregulated arm selling not only affects your schools and young ones, they also affect other countries children and citizens.

(im not stating that this is the ultimate salvation, but regulating and baning some eweopns from countries like USA will help a lot to your fellow compatriots and to other countries)

Well its true you can kill 30 people with one car, but common how many masacres have you heard about with this method? And int one year we have seen many masacres 2 in you counrty and many other in others.

If you ban guns then they will use other methods. IT doesn't matter.

Well, if you are going to argue like that dont open a thread, i respect you opinion respect other opinions.

Well it seems you know perfectly the situation in my country… its the problem of your people, you have never had a real war in your territory… ( recent years). When you have violence face to face, seeing the little kids dying , mother being raped, brothers being dismembered you will see how the Guns really are, the violence that emanates from them and the power they give… And I really hope you never see this.

You are making fun of others and you are not being respectfull to other people rights, It will be the same with guns?

I think this debate will lead to nothing, it will be better closed

From: Mr[S]
Who's heard the EDL anthem? You know the one with the 'Muslamic Ray Guns' :duh:

Very off-topic but I heard that. Freaking hilarious :garfield:

From: Shay
Everybody needs to shut up tbh, guns are shit, weapons are shit, war is shit, killing people is shit.

Now, just lock this thread since it's a potential flamecano just waiting to explode.

yes.

/thread

E: Just some facts for the ending: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFfWYYCfCZI