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Thoughts?
Mine are its a premuim bot but the community is extremly ignorant. I wouldn't pay for a script on there when i can get one for free here that works just as good.The website also has a extremly limited number of scripts.. been up 4 years and only have like 12 scripts.

Also, what do you think of their '0' bans statement.. while i beleive they have a extremly low ban rate i highly doubt they can accuratly predict '0' bans.

Tl;dr
If your a hipstir willing to spend more on something that is the same/not much better or are extremly paranoid of being banned this bot is for you!

Thought about using it but Simba is basically just as good if not better plus ofc Simba is free. Yeah I heard the community isn't much fun to talk to

I refuse to pay for what I can easily get for free :) and have more control over

From: Gucci
Thought about using it but Simba is basically just as good if not better plus ofc Simba is free. Yeah I heard the community isn't much fun to talk to

They seem to think grabbing information from the cleint is bad, when in reality the reason mainstream bots have such a high banrate is because like 5,000 different people use the same script( LOL Prices double if a script is down more then 4 days) , terrible mouse patterns and they always bot 20 hours a day

From: Ashaman88
I refuse to pay for what I can easily get for free :) and have more control over

+1, Why pay for something when you can get it for free.

I tried it a long time ago, simba is 1000x better

From: rjj95
They seem to think grabbing information from the cleint is bad, when in reality the reason mainstream bots have such a high banrate is because like 5,000 different people use the same script( LOL Prices double if a script is down more then 4 days) , terrible mouse patterns and they always bot 20 hours a day

Nothing wrong with botting 20 hours a day >.>

i think rid community is just bad they abuse there power and are a trolling community and they make fun of new users and call them names

The RiD community consists of haters that hate on initiates *new people*. There are some nice people, but yeah.

Bot quality is debatable.

I like it over at RiD. The bots aren't expensive IMO and the only bans have been through people botting for 24/7 or close to 24/7 and from times when J-mods have gone around manually banning people. The latter shouldn't be a problem now though because RiD has a new chat centre feature allowing botters to chat in RS to friends and publicly.
I will admit that the community is sometimes harsh on new members though.

i thought it was the ish before i found simba<3

From: print
i think rid community is just bad they abuse there power and are a trolling community and they make fun of new users and call them names

There are abusive people here too. This community is far from perfect- maybe not even good.
For an example of a very good community head over to undeadlabs.com and go to their forums.

From: ___
There are abusive people here too. This community is far from perfect- maybe not even good.
For an example of a very good community head over to undeadlabs.com and go to their forums.

Who? To discuss about 'abusing power', the user in question must have power in the first place, which means only Mod+ (or SSRL+ for infractions). I certainly do not see a single abusive Mod+ here.
Also, no communities are perfect because no humans are perfect. It's a continuous evolution and improvement.

Have some of you ever take a look at how RID work like? Even though I probably will never pay for such high amount of money to use their client, from the demo video they provide,they have a REALLY nice mouse move, which move every like how human would using mouse.
Also, If they think their client worth such price, I'm curious to see how can they compete with much cheaper commercialize bot, like epicbot or powerbot.

From: freezeyp
Have some of you ever take a look at how RID work like? Even though I probably will never pay for such high amount of money to use their client, from the demo video they provide,they have a REALLY nice mouse move, which move every like how human would using mouse.
Also, If they think their client worth such price, I'm curious to see how can they compete with much cheaper commercialize bot, like epicbot or powerbot.

Their mouse movement is almost the same as simba's,

The code itself is hosted on a server, so you can never see it, meaning theres quite alot of delay, as you have to send a client image to the server before it moves the mouse, personally with simba available, never going to use RiD ;)

From: [J]ustin
+1, Why pay for something when you can get it for free.

AND learn a thing or two along the way? :tongue:

From: DannyRS
Their mouse movement is almost the same as simba's,

The code itself is hosted on a server, so you can never see it, meaning theres quite alot of delay, as you have to send a client image to the server before it moves the mouse, personally with simba available, never going to use RiD ;)

A video of one of RID bots :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6psZoaCGHuU

From: freezeyp
A video of one of RID bots :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6psZoaCGHuU

Judging from that video I observed their mouse movements have two traits: 1) They're quite slow, 2) The mouse will stop at random points along its full path.

Now let's see, we are fully in control of the mouse speed. Stopping along a full mouse path to its target seems to me like a trait you'd only see using laptop touchpads, which we have incorporated into SRL's mouse definition already.

Also, I saw their mouse missed the target (rarely), we also have this that is determined by mouse speed and mouse distance traveled. Their mouse never slowed down as it approached a small target on the mainscreen, where our mouse does just that, if the user chooses.

We're fully in control of our mouse movement styles, we don't have to have it randomly generated from some other database for us.

From: Flight
Judging from that video I observed their mouse movements have two traits: 1) They're quite slow, 2) The mouse will stop at random points along its full path.

Now let's see, we are fully in control of the mouse speed. Stopping along a full mouse path to its target seems to me like a trait you'd only see using laptop touchpads, which we have incorporated into SRL's mouse definition already.

Also, I saw their mouse missed the target (rarely), we also have this that is determined by mouse speed and mouse distance traveled. Their mouse never slowed down as it approached a small target on the mainscreen, where our mouse does just that, if the user chooses.

We're fully in control of our mouse movement styles, we don't have to have it randomly generated from some other database for us.

Yea tbh I thought their mouse movement was pretty good until I actually looked at it.. it randomly moved to far and then to it's target, I think the only reason people arn't getting banned from this bot is because it has such a small user base

From: Ashaman88
I refuse to pay for what I can easily get for free :) and have more control over

Why pay for something that ashaman88 can make for free?

They have only few scripts and all of them are pretty expensive and u can't use your computer while botting. nty

From: x x
They have only few scripts and all of them are pretty expensive and u can't use your computer while botting. nty

You can use a VM, it's not hard.

From: Silentcore
Why pay for something that ashaman88 can make for free?

Just compare my scripts to prices on epicbot… It's insane that people would pay for that

From: rjj95
Thoughts?
Mine are its a premuim bot but the community is extremly ignorant. I wouldn't pay for a script on there when i can get one for free here that works just as good.The website also has a extremly limited number of scripts.. been up 4 years and only have like 12 scripts.

Also, what do you think of their '0' bans statement.. while i beleive they have a extremly low ban rate i highly doubt they can accuratly predict '0' bans.

Tl;dr
If your a hipstir willing to spend more on something that is the same/not much better or are extremly paranoid of being banned this bot is for you!

Their "0" bans is not true. You need to read the disclaimer carefully, they say that from those that followed their procedures and guidelines, 0 have been banned. They recommend botting only 2-4 hours at a time. Simba 24/7 is the only way to do it :spot:

From: MMOE
Their "0" bans is not true. You need to read the disclaimer carefully, they say that from those that followed their procedures and guidelines, 0 have been banned. They recommend botting only 2-4 hours at a time. Simba 24/7 is the only way to do it :spot:

They recommend playing for 8 hours or less a day to stay within the guidelines, not 2-4, I don't know where you got those numbers from. The 8 hours should be made up of legit time + botting time though.

Barely anyone sticks to those guidelines that uses RiD, as you can see if you want to go to the forums and check posts by the "guideline breaker" and "suicide" icons.

Having used Simba and RiD, for me it just comes down to whether you want to pay for someone else to do it, or to learn and make scripts to your own liking like we have here at SRL.

From: MMOE
Their "0" bans is not true. You need to read the disclaimer carefully, they say that from those that followed their procedures and guidelines, 0 have been banned. They recommend botting only 2-4 hours at a time. Simba 24/7 is the only way to do it :spot:

They have no way of tracking bans unless they get banned while their botting and the bot sees the ban message.

it's expensive stuff. quite long ago shay made all the scripts that were on rid and released them here :D
Mat used it before he came here and paid something like £7 for 20hours of botting -.-

From: rjj95
They have no way of tracking bans unless they get banned while their botting and the bot sees the ban message.

easy for RiD to track bans as it has rarely happened and when it does happen it's all over the forum at RiD.

Recently the only way they were able to ban RiD users was to do a Pest control sweep for all rid controlled bots where they banned the users for using RID as the ban message and it was a full ban with no appeal, as they won't be able to tell if they start using RiD again or not. So they have to perm ban without the 2 warnings.

From: Hooker_Puncher
easy for RiD to track bans as it has rarely happened and when it does happen it's all over the forum at RiD.

Recently the only way they were able to ban RiD users was to do a Pest control sweep for all rid controlled bots where they banned the users for using RID as the ban message and it was a full ban with no appeal, as they won't be able to tell if they start using RiD again or not. So they have to perm ban without the 2 warnings.

Anyone know if there is a criteria to dedicate a ban without warnings vs a warning from JagEx's end?

As a staff member on RiD, I'm curious what you guys think is making our community so bad - apart from the "hate" on new people? I just now realize the hate on initiates is getting out of hand and will be bringing this up to the mod team. Hearing that people are leaving the site because people are rude towards new fellow botters is something we definitely don't like to hear.

Hopefully we can get that sorted out asap. We appreciate the feedback, thanks.

From: Aufi
As a staff member on RiD, I'm curious what you guys think is making our community so bad - apart from the "hate" on new people? I just now realize the hate on initiates is getting out of hand and will be bringing this up to the mod team. Hearing that people are leaving the site because people are rude towards new fellow botters is something we definitely don't like to hear.

Hopefully we can get that sorted out asap. We appreciate the feedback, thanks.

Your asking an open source programming community why a closed server blackbox community is bad,

I suggest you make a thread on your own forum and not ask here aswell ;)

From: Aufi
As a staff member on RiD, I'm curious what you guys think is making our community so bad - apart from the "hate" on new people? I just now realize the hate on initiates is getting out of hand and will be bringing this up to the mod team. Hearing that people are leaving the site because people are rude towards new fellow botters is something we definitely don't like to hear.

Hopefully we can get that sorted out asap. We appreciate the feedback, thanks.

I couldn't comment on that as I've never been to the RiD forums. I can only share my opinions on the program itself based off the videos posted on YouTube.

From: DannyRS
Your asking an open source programming community why a closed server blackbox community is bad, heh

with no ability to make user / custom scripts the idea in general is trash and your userbase are unhelpful and rude

I suggest you make a thread on your own forum and not ask here aswell ;)

You have no right to say that without extensively using RiD.

From: Shay
You have no right to say that without extensively using RiD.

yea was maybe a tad harsh, edited as such

I've used RiD alot in the past and was not very fond of the bot itself, and the forum community was not very accepting and dismissive

From: DannyRS
yea was maybe a tad harsh, edited as such

I've used RiD alot in the past and was not very fond of the bot itself, and the forum community was not very accepting and dismissive

Stole the words out of my mouth. RiD users remind me of Apple users.. they think they bought the product and it's the best thing in the world because they payed for it and anything else is complete garbage

From: rjj95
Thoughts?
Mine are its a premuim bot but the community is extremly ignorant. I wouldn't pay for a script on there when i can get one for free here that works just as good.The website also has a extremly limited number of scripts.. been up 4 years and only have like 12 scripts.

Also, what do you think of their '0' bans statement.. while i beleive they have a extremly low ban rate i highly doubt they can accuratly predict '0' bans.

Tl;dr
If your a hipstir willing to spend more on something that is the same/not much better or are extremly paranoid of being banned this bot is for you!

From: x x
They have only few scripts and all of them are pretty expensive and u can't use your computer while botting. nty

From: freezeyp
Have some of you ever take a look at how RID work like? Even though I probably will never pay for such high amount of money to use their client, from the demo video they provide,they have a REALLY nice mouse move, which move every like how human would using mouse.
Also, If they think their client worth such price, I'm curious to see how can they compete with much cheaper commercialize bot, like epicbot or powerbot.

Well, normally 10/12 of the bots are premium, most of the bots are free atm because they are running through RiD 2.0 beta. Of course once v2.0 is officially released 2 bots will be free and the rest will be premium.

To start, the bots are not traditional "scripts," there is a core server that operates all of the commands and chooses the best action for each situation (in real-time) using a form of programmed AI decision making processes (not to be confused with 'true AI,' that's silly :P). The only reason they cost what they do is because RiD has to pay hundreds a month for servers to host his server-side code & other crucial data. Without these servers, the bot would not be able to function the way it does, and unique styles would be near impossible to support without them. Sure, it's ~6.5-8 cents an hour of usage, but ultimately that's not that much. Working minimum wage in most states would earn enough money for ~100 hours of botting, so it's not too bad. Also, RiD and his team are thinking about alternative payment systems that would be cheaper than those that already exist.

Yes, they only have 12 bots (13 soon after v2.0 is released), but with the dozen that are available, 19 skills can be botted to 99. That only leaves Dungeoneering, Hunter, Slayer, Farming, Summoning, and Runecrafting. There will be a bot for all skills eventually. RiD is the one and only bot developer, so he has to manage over a dozen bots + new bots + forum admin duties + real life job + family + etc.

Their '0' ban statement applies to Guideline followers (http://www.robotzindisguise.com/Guidelines.htm)

RiD has a system that tracks the specific bot usage (along with certain achievements, such as ores mined, cannonballs made, etc). He also has the capabilities of tracking the amount of time botted on any given day. This allows him to prove for a fact if a user is breaking Guidelines, or even if they are telling the truth about being banned or not.

There have been bans breaking their Guidelines, however. It comes down to 48 bans over 4 years. All of these bans have been when J Mods manually went in-game, often-times invisible, and manually went through account records to find people who are breaking guidelines regularly. There's never been any automated system bans (we know because every ban has occurred during sweeps where J Mods have been witnessed, or specific J Mods have admitted to sweeping). It is true that no user following Guidelines has been banned. And 48 bans with over 600,000 hours botted (just 600,000 hours from 2008-2011, a figure for 2012 has not been stated. The 48 bans includes 2012).

Also, the bot doesn't use a client; most users run their bot in a VM (there's a free guide in the Knowledgebase and it includes everything needed, even the Windows XP that has been custom designed specifically to be optimized for the use of VirtualBox with botting RiD (don't worry, it's perfectly legal, Adam has signed a license agreement with Microsoft for unlimited use, and distribution for the use of VMs). It takes me under 5 minutes to set up a new one, it's not that much of a pain.

From: rjj95
They have no way of tracking bans unless they get banned while their botting and the bot sees the ban message.

Not true at all. There are plenty of ways, and RiD can tell.

From: The Killer
it's expensive stuff. quite long ago shay made all the scripts that were on rid and released them here :D
Mat used it before he came here and paid something like £7 for 20hours of botting -.-

Meh, if you think ~6.5-8 cents per hour of use, then sure. The payment system is being thought about for how to improve it (e.g better prices, etc).

Also, it's nowhere near 7 quid for 20 hours. It's 7.99$ USD for ~100 hours, 20.99 USD for ~300 hours, and ~64.99 USD for ~1000. Should probably actually check out a website and learn about it before speaking about it.

From: DannyRS
Their mouse movement is almost the same as simba's,

The code itself is hosted on a server, so you can never see it, meaning theres quite alot of delay, as you have to send a client image to the server before it moves the mouse, personally with simba available, never going to use RiD ;)

Mouse movements have been revamped and redesigned in 2.0 beta, which is out now.

Also, like I've said before, he pays several hundreds a month for servers, and he has multiple of them around the world to improve the connection strength for his users. He optimized everything in v2.0 beta, so having a ping to the bot of 0-500 will give you relatively the same top results. Only time someone's ping will generally go over 500 would be if they are experiencing some kind of networking issue. Of course it's not 100% as fast as other bots, it compensates well by adding measures to anticipate the future course of events (predicting movement of objects/NPCs, moving to interface buttons before they appear, etc).

From: freezeyp
A video of one of RID bots :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6psZoaCGHuU

Yeah that video is pretty old. The movements and behavior has been improved a lot, especially with 2.0 beta being pretty close to official launch. As soon as that happens I'm redoing a lot of RiD bot videos.

From: Flight
Judging from that video I observed their mouse movements have two traits: 1) They're quite slow, 2) The mouse will stop at random points along its full path.

Now let's see, we are fully in control of the mouse speed. Stopping along a full mouse path to its target seems to me like a trait you'd only see using laptop touchpads, which we have incorporated into SRL's mouse definition already.

Also, I saw their mouse missed the target (rarely), we also have this that is determined by mouse speed and mouse distance traveled. Their mouse never slowed down as it approached a small target on the mainscreen, where our mouse does just that, if the user chooses.

We're fully in control of our mouse movement styles, we don't have to have it randomly generated from some other database for us.

Well like I've said, that video was pretty old. There's been full system optimization and a revamp of the mouse movements. Also, there are 3 different mouse type options, Infra-red (like a ball-less mouse), Gaming mouse (simulates the use of a gaming mouse), or TouchPad (simulates the use of a laptop touchpad). It's possible that the maker of that video was setting his bot to TouchPad.

There is also a sliding scale for controlling your preferred mouse speed.

It really depends on your style for the slowing down part. I know that especially with the v2.0 beta and mouse movements revamp, I've seen my bot do that.

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Also, the mods have been discussing measures to help prevent new users from getting bashed on and trolled/insulted. This is not something we want to advocate and hopefully we can improve that situation.

@Above poster, brace yourself, i'm going to debunk everything you said :garfield:

To start, the bots are not traditional "scripts," there is a core server that operates all of the commands and chooses the best action for each situation (in real-time) using a form of programmed AI decision making processes (not to be confused with 'true AI,' that's silly :P).

Isn't that 'core server' still a 'script' with loads of case/boolean statements that (randomly) chooses a statement to execute? Can you elaborate/illustrate 'best action for each situation'?

Also what could be a better 'antiban' than having it open source and allowing users to edit the scripts to their liking? :p

RiD is the one and only bot developer, so he has to manage over a dozen bots + new bots + forum admin duties + real life job + family + etc.

We have scripters here who have over 20 scripts (eg. Flight), all of which are of high quality–most of them better than the counterparts at RID. Some of them may be outdated (due to reflection breaking etc) but remember that we are providing these scripts completely free of charge.

There have been bans breaking their Guidelines, however. It comes down to 48 bans over 4 years. All of these bans have been when J Mods manually went in-game, often-times invisible, and manually went through account records to find people who are breaking guidelines regularly. There's never been any automated system bans (we know because every ban has occurred during sweeps where J Mods have been witnessed, or specific J Mods have admitted to sweeping). It is true that no user following Guidelines has been banned. And 48 bans with over 600,000 hours botted (just 600,000 hours from 2008-2011, a figure for 2012 has not been stated. The 48 bans includes 2012).

The same goes for most SRL scripts too, there would be 0 automate bans if you only bot few hours a day, and don't bot more than 1 acct with 1 ip etc.

Not true at all. There are plenty of ways, and RiD can tell.

What are the ways?

Meh, if you think ~6.5-8 cents per hour of use, then sure. The payment system is being thought about for how to improve it (e.g better prices, etc).

Also, it's nowhere near 7 quid for 20 hours. It's 7.99$ USD for ~100 hours, 20.99 USD for ~300 hours, and ~64.99 USD for ~1000. Should probably actually check out a website and learn about it before speaking about it.

Seriously…the idea of PAYING to BOT on a game…especially when there's a free and better alternative.

Also, like I've said before, he pays several hundreds a month for servers, and he has multiple of them around the world to improve the connection strength for his users. He optimized everything in v2.0 beta, so having a ping to the bot of 0-500 will give you relatively the same top results. Only time someone's ping will generally go over 500 would be if they are experiencing some kind of networking issue. Of course it's not 100% as fast as other bots, it compensates well by adding measures to anticipate the future course of events (predicting movement of objects/NPCs, moving to interface buttons before they appear, etc).

Server-sided code: Compromising cost savings and speed optimization for the sole reason of remaining close source.

Also, there are 3 different mouse type options, Infra-red (like a ball-less mouse), Gaming mouse (simulates the use of a gaming mouse), or TouchPad (simulates the use of a laptop touchpad). It's possible that the maker of that video was setting his bot to TouchPad.

There is also a sliding scale for controlling your preferred mouse speed.

SRL include has option to set to laptop touchpad mouse as well, and customizable mouse speed.



Overall, i'd say that RID scripts (compared to SRL scripts) is slower, less human-like, infinitely times more expensive, less features, less scripts, less support, less (no) chance for learning, no option for making own scripts, more memory-intensive, …

From: riwu
@Above poster, brace yourself, i'm going to debunk everything you said :garfield:


Isn't that 'core server' still a 'script' with loads of case/boolean statements that (randomly) chooses a statement to execute? Can you elaborate/illustrate 'best action for each situation'?

"programmable AI decision making"

If you don't understand the term then don't make an assumption about it. It will look at your screen in real-time, sends relevant information to the server, the server interprets the data, and based on various factors, variables, et cetera, it chooses the action that it feels is best for the situation at hand. The bot does not pick the same action every time. It does not perform certain actions in the same exact order every time. This is where it differs from a straight-lined script. Because of this it never gets caught in an infinite loop, because it just logs out when it gets in a situation that it doesn't understand.

Also what could be a better 'antiban' than having it open source and allowing users to edit the scripts to their liking? :p

Having a closed sourced system (that is impossible to crack, and impossible for Jagex to analyze source code) that uses Unique Styles technology (over 1 billion play styles for each bot), and having the man in charge be an actual professional, with a bachelor's degree in Computer Science & Mathematics. Yeah what you said is similar, but it's only as good as the scripter.

We have scripters here who have over 20 scripts (eg. Flight), all of which are of high quality–most of them better than the counterparts at RID. Some of them may be outdated (due to reflection breaking etc) but remember that we are providing these scripts completely free of charge.

Well, if you count the actual different training styles, RiD offers ~15 "bots"

RiD is in his mid-to-late 20s, with a real job on top of this and many other things. He doesn't have as much time as many people do, especially those who are younger. The coding methods he uses leads to bots being very line heavy. I'm not saying lots of lines makes it better, but that's why it takes as long to produce new bots. All the bots combined (all 12) is over 100,000 lines of code. The core is 30klocs alone. So, obviously more lines = more time (generally)

The same goes for most SRL scripts too, there would be 0 automate bans if you only bot few hours a day, and don't bot more than 1 acct with 1 ip etc.

A few? lolno. 8 hours is what the guidelines suggests, and it even says that going over that is not that big of a deal most of the time, as long as it's not regular and humanly impossible and a J mod isn't going through account records. I myself ran RiDiverse 88-99 in only 3 bot runs recently; 21, 26, and 32 hours long. The only reason it stopped was because of Jagex's server issues/maintenance. There's so much more to Jagex's banning system than JUST play-time.

What are the ways?

It's not difficult if you know a bit about programming.

Seriously…the idea of PAYING to BOT on a game…especially when there's a free and better alternative.

I'm going to profit overall by the time I finish playing RS. Currently, if I were to sell my account (all botted) and its wealth, I'd receive over $1,000 USD. I've only purchased ~2400-2500 credits worth, the rest have been from referrals or competition. To break it down into a dollar figure, that's spending ~$160, and getting back ~$1,000. It's an investment to me.

Server-sided code: Compromising cost savings and speed optimization for the sole reason of remaining close source.

Speed optimization isn't that much of a problem these days with 2.0 beta. it's performing extremely fast now.

You make it obvious that you don't understand the true capabilities of an automated detection system, especially when they have the source code of a bot they are trying to ban at their disposal. RiD wasn't always like it is now. Years ago Jagex decompiled RiD's source before it was server-side, and used information they gathered to ban many people. Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it's not a possibility in the future for open sourced projects.

SRL include has option to set to laptop touchpad mouse as well, and customizable mouse speed.

Obviously, that's already been said. I was mentioning it to Flight

Overall, i'd say that RID scripts (compared to SRL scripts) is slower, less human-like, infinitely times more expensive, less features, less scripts, less support, less (no) chance for learning, no option for making own scripts, more memory-intensive, …

Slower - Not by much tbh, my XP rates are pretty similar since 2.0 integration

Less human-like -rofl, I literally laughed out loud at this part. Clearly you have not used RiD for any kind of extended time, rofl. I have several hundred days worth of botting time on my account, and RiD covers 65% of that time. I've also botted other bots for literally thousands of hours, and I've never been impressed by the human behavior of any bot other than RiD.

Expensive - Like I said before, if you consider 6.5-8 cents an hour expensive, then sure.

Less scripts - Like I've said, it's 12 bots, capable of training 19 skills. 6 skills not covered isn't that bad tbh. Compare RiD to a private Simba script selling website. Having a community of programmers make bots is a lot different than having a lead developer for their site.

Less support - Well bots don't really need manual support these days. All of the log contents and errors are automatically submitted to RiD instead of needing to open a ticket. RiD can easily fix lots of bugs each update, and the only support needed can usually be answered via the chatbox, or certain sections of the forums.

No learning - Well that's not really the point of the community. It's not one geared towards educating people about scripting or anything.

No user-made scripts - Like I said above, compare it to a private simba script selling site. Generally with only few devs, let alone 1, they don't have as many scripts, and generally don't do user-made ones. That's where places like this come into play.

Memory intensive - The bot only uses ~70mb of RAM. So I'm not sure where intensiveness is coming into play here?

Anddd this has turned into a SRL/Simba vs RiD……………………………………….

If you don't understand the term then don't make an assumption about it. It will look at your screen in real-time, sends relevant information to the server, the server interprets the data, and based on various factors, variables, et cetera, it chooses the action that it feels is best for the situation at hand. The bot does not pick the same action every time. It does not perform certain actions in the same exact order every time. This is where it differs from a straight-lined script. Because of this it never gets caught in an infinite loop, because it just logs out when it gets in a situation that it doesn't understand.

Only thing I saw in that was "We use servers to send data back to base to increase the use of un-needed bandwidth for all our customers"

From: Trent!
"programmable AI decision making"

If you don't understand the term then don't make an assumption about it. It will look at your screen in real-time, sends relevant information to the server, the server interprets the data, and based on various factors, variables, et cetera, it chooses the action that it feels is best for the situation at hand. The bot does not pick the same action every time. It does not perform certain actions in the same exact order every time. This is where it differs from a straight-lined script. Because of this it never gets caught in an infinite loop, because it just logs out when it gets in a situation that it doesn't understand.

Scripts obviously interpret data during run time, only an autoclicker/mouse recorder don't.
'various factors, variables': Conditional checks/case statements with Boolean operators.
'The bot does not pick the same action every time. It does not perform certain actions in the same exact order every time': Randomizing order/execution based off a set of pre-coded actions.
'This is where it differs from a straight-lined script': what is a 'straight-lined script'? Can you show an example of it in the scripts section?

All the features you mentioned are the basics of a well-coded script, nothing surprising/amazing. RID is just fooling those with no scripting knowledge.

Having a closed sourced system (that is impossible to crack, and impossible for Jagex to analyze source code) that uses Unique Styles technology (over 1 billion play styles for each bot), and having the man in charge be an actual professional, with a bachelor's degree in Computer Science & Mathematics. Yeah what you said is similar, but it's only as good as the scripter.

'1 billion play styles': elaborate on that? if i've a wait(Random(1000)) can i consider it as 1000 possibilities?
We have lots of bachelors in compsci here as well, but we are not creating a new programming language etc here; a degree in compsci may not help with scripting in RS much at advanced levels.

RiD is in his mid-to-late 20s, with a real job on top of this and many other things. He doesn't have as much time as many people do, especially those who are younger. The coding methods he uses leads to bots being very line heavy. I'm not saying lots of lines makes it better, but that's why it takes as long to produce new bots. All the bots combined (all 12) is over 100,000 lines of code. The core is 30klocs alone. So, obviously more lines = more time (generally)

So does that mean that the scripts may not be as good as those in other sites since he's extremely busy? We are not discussing about the person now, but the bot. We don't know/care about how great the creator of RID is (maybe he won a nobel prize and has several jobs, but these aren't relevant when we are discussing the quality of the bot)

A few? lolno. 8 hours is what the guidelines suggests, and it even says that going over that is not that big of a deal most of the time, as long as it's not regular and humanly impossible and a J mod isn't going through account records. I myself ran RiDiverse 88-99 in only 3 bot runs recently; 21, 26, and 32 hours long. The only reason it stopped was because of Jagex's server issues/maintenance. There's so much more to Jagex's banning system than JUST play-time.

Most people here run simba scripts 24/7 and that is also 'not that big of a deal most of the time'.

It's not difficult if you know a bit about programming.

Well i think i know a bit about programming but i don't know how he's going to track whether your accounts got banned (while not botting) without capturing the account password and log in (manually/with a script) to check.

I'm going to profit overall by the time I finish playing RS. Currently, if I were to sell my account (all botted) and its wealth, I'd receive over $1,000 USD. I've only purchased ~2400-2500 credits worth, the rest have been from referrals or competition. To break it down into a dollar figure, that's spending ~$160, and getting back ~$1,000. It's an investment to me.

I'm going to profit even more when i sell my account because my cost is 0 (other than memb cost if p2p), and apart from the monetary reward i've gained invaluable knowledge while scripting.

Speed optimization isn't that much of a problem these days with 2.0 beta. it's performing extremely fast now.

You make it obvious that you don't understand the true capabilities of an automated detection system, especially when they have the source code of a bot they are trying to ban at their disposal. RiD wasn't always like it is down. Years ago Jagex decompiled RiD's source before it was server-side, and used information they gathered to ban many people. Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it's not a possibility in the future for open sourced projects.

If the script is good enough such that it mimics human movements closely, why worry about Jagex looking at it? They are not going to tell from a player that uses the script and a player that legits.

Slower - Not by much tbh, my XP rates are pretty similar since 2.0 integration

Does it have even just 1 script that gets the same/more xp than when legitting? I've some scripts that are capable of that.

Less human-like -rofl, I literally laughed out loud at this part. Clearly you have not used RiD for any kind of extended time, rofl. I have several hundred days worth of botting time on my account, and RiD covers 65% of that time. I've also botted other bots for literally thousands of hours, and I've never been impressed by the human behavior of any bot other than RiD.

In what way is it more human-like than good simba scripts?

Less scripts - Like I've said, it's 12 bots, capable of training 19 skills. 6 skills not covered isn't that bad tbh. Compare RiD to a private Simba script selling website. Having a community of programmers make bots is a lot different than having a lead developer for their site.

Again, we are discussing about the bot, not how capable the creator is. We covered all skills except slayer (which can be partly botted with fighting scripts) and dungeoneering just in the public rs scripts forum alone.

No user-made scripts - Like I said above, compare it to a private simba script selling site. Generally with only few devs, let alone 1, they don't have as many scripts, and generally don't do user-made ones. That's where places like this come into play.

I don't understand this. You are comparing RID to a 'private simba script selling site' (which you can hardly find any)?

Memory intensive - The bot only uses ~70mb of RAM. So I'm not sure where intensiveness is coming into play here?

If you want to use computer, you have to use VM, that would add a lot more, and if you want to bot multiple accounts, that's even more.

From: Trent!

Also, the mods have been discussing measures to help prevent new users from getting bashed on and trolled/insulted. This is not something we want to advocate and hopefully we can improve that situation.

That's really good news. Like I said previously I've never visited the RiD community so I've no input there, but if it's not in the best shape and the people in charge have noticed and decided to really do something about it, then that's wonderful. The quality of a community is quite important to me personally.

From: Trent!

Well, if you count the actual different training styles, RiD offers ~15 "bots"

RiD is in his mid-to-late 20s, with a real job on top of this and many other things. He doesn't have as much time as many people do, especially those who are younger. The coding methods he uses leads to bots being very line heavy. I'm not saying lots of lines makes it better, but that's why it takes as long to produce new bots. All the bots combined (all 12) is over 100,000 lines of code. The core is 30klocs alone. So, obviously more lines = more time (generally)

I don't think I would use that as a case around these forums. :p The majority of the scripters here, and the Developers especially, have quite a lot going on. I'm sure if you were to ask around you'd be surprised. I myself have been quite busy lately and I guarantee what I've been occupied with requires much more attention and dedication with a far more important cause than what RiD might currently be engaged in. Even then I've been able to keep my few color scripts up-to-par, along with the recent update to Heavy-Rodder (for what it's worth).

I've said this before but RiD himself has my respect for maintaining the project solo; no doubt this would be time consuming.


Oh yeah one other thing I wanted to touch base on: it would be silly to say the reason of having RiD close-source and hidden is because of Jagex potentially de-compiling & banning users. SRL scripts have always been open for all wondering eyes, all the way back to the Scar & RSC days; long before RiD existed. Yet if anyone is banned using a script it wasn't because Jagex reads it to find out, for example, how we move our mouse, or how long we take to talk to an NPC, any bans from our scripts will occur normally through in-game observation.

So that may be the reason that RiD gives you of keeping it close-source, but anyone who uses even just a little bit of logic will think "Well Simba/SRL/SMART/Scripts are open-source, so why doesn't Jagex track & stop them?…". My guess is RiD fears the source getting leaked would lead to no $$ in his pocket, as expected.

both RiD and Simba have there ups and downs obviously..
i'm not taking sides.. but we shouldn't be arguing and disagreeing guise.
we should work togetheerrrrrrr n thatttt yhhhhhh.

From: Trent!
"programmable AI decision making"

If you don't understand the term then don't make an assumption about it. It will look at your screen in real-time, sends relevant information to the server, the server interprets the data, and based on various factors, variables, et cetera, it chooses the action that it feels is best for the situation at hand. The bot does not pick the same action every time. It does not perform certain actions in the same exact order every time. This is where it differs from a straight-lined script. Because of this it never gets caught in an infinite loop, because it just logs out when it gets in a situation that it doesn't understand.



Having a closed sourced system (that is impossible to crack, and impossible for Jagex to analyze source code) that uses Unique Styles technology (over 1 billion play styles for each bot), and having the man in charge be an actual professional, with a bachelor's degree in Computer Science & Mathematics. Yeah what you said is similar, but it's only as good as the scripter.



Well, if you count the actual different training styles, RiD offers ~15 "bots"

RiD is in his mid-to-late 20s, with a real job on top of this and many other things. He doesn't have as much time as many people do, especially those who are younger. The coding methods he uses leads to bots being very line heavy. I'm not saying lots of lines makes it better, but that's why it takes as long to produce new bots. All the bots combined (all 12) is over 100,000 lines of code. The core is 30klocs alone. So, obviously more lines = more time (generally)




A few? lolno. 8 hours is what the guidelines suggests, and it even says that going over that is not that big of a deal most of the time, as long as it's not regular and humanly impossible and a J mod isn't going through account records. I myself ran RiDiverse 88-99 in only 3 bot runs recently; 21, 26, and 32 hours long. The only reason it stopped was because of Jagex's server issues/maintenance. There's so much more to Jagex's banning system than JUST play-time.



It's not difficult if you know a bit about programming.




I'm going to profit overall by the time I finish playing RS. Currently, if I were to sell my account (all botted) and its wealth, I'd receive over $1,000 USD. I've only purchased ~2400-2500 credits worth, the rest have been from referrals or competition. To break it down into a dollar figure, that's spending ~$160, and getting back ~$1,000. It's an investment to me.




Speed optimization isn't that much of a problem these days with 2.0 beta. it's performing extremely fast now.

You make it obvious that you don't understand the true capabilities of an automated detection system, especially when they have the source code of a bot they are trying to ban at their disposal. RiD wasn't always like it is down. Years ago Jagex decompiled RiD's source before it was server-side, and used information they gathered to ban many people. Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it's not a possibility in the future for open sourced projects.



Obviously, that's already been said. I was mentioning it to Flight



Slower - Not by much tbh, my XP rates are pretty similar since 2.0 integration

Less human-like -rofl, I literally laughed out loud at this part. Clearly you have not used RiD for any kind of extended time, rofl. I have several hundred days worth of botting time on my account, and RiD covers 65% of that time. I've also botted other bots for literally thousands of hours, and I've never been impressed by the human behavior of any bot other than RiD.

Expensive - Like I said before, if you consider 6.5-8 cents an hour expensive, then sure.

Less scripts - Like I've said, it's 12 bots, capable of training 19 skills. 6 skills not covered isn't that bad tbh. Compare RiD to a private Simba script selling website. Having a community of programmers make bots is a lot different than having a lead developer for their site.

Less support - Well bots don't really need manual support these days. All of the log contents and errors are automatically submitted to RiD instead of needing to open a ticket. RiD can easily fix lots of bugs each update, and the only support needed can usually be answered via the chatbox, or certain sections of the forums.

No learning - Well that's not really the point of the community. It's not one geared towards educating people about scripting or anything.

No user-made scripts - Like I said above, compare it to a private simba script selling site. Generally with only few devs, let alone 1, they don't have as many scripts, and generally don't do user-made ones. That's where places like this come into play.

Memory intensive - The bot only uses ~70mb of RAM. So I'm not sure where intensiveness is coming into play here?

close minded.

From: rjj95
Stop being a fanboy and look out of your knothole….close minded as hell.

A quick reminder, it is not allowed to attack other users. Doing so may result in an infraction or warning.

sometimes i think ashaman is Rid, i have been using both bots and they are perfect

Im not going to get into this whole situation since RiD and Simba each have their goods/bads, but one thing caught my attention:

I'm going to profit overall by the time I finish playing RS. Currently, if I were to sell my account (all botted) and its wealth, I'd receive over $1,000 USD. I've only purchased ~2400-2500 credits worth, the rest have been from referrals or competition. To break it down into a dollar figure, that's spending ~$160, and getting back ~$1,000. It's an investment to me.

How?
I have a completionist cape account with close to 1B xp and it's only worth 800$?

From: Shay
Im not going to get into this whole situation since RiD and Simba each have their goods/bads, but one thing caught my attention:



How?
I have a completionist cape account with close to 1B xp and it's only worth 800$?

Hes probably counting RSGP

From: Shay
Im not going to get into this whole situation since RiD and Simba each have their goods/bads, but one thing caught my attention:



How?
I have a completionist cape account with close to 1B xp and it's only worth 800$?

From: Trent
if I were to sell my account (all botted) and its wealth

Yeah, both RiD and Simba have their pros & cons. Their methodology is very similar, and it really comes down to the wants of the botter. What kind of features/bots/etc they want to use. Some are best off here, and some would be happier at RiD. I just want to put it out there that I do acknowledge that generally Simba scripts are notorious for their low ban rates, wide script selection, and the fact that if someone wants to, they can design their own script for their own personal use. I really do respect Simba as a bot site, and I don't want you guys getting the impression that I'm trying to be aggressive or anti-Simba here. Any time someone asks me what bot to use besides RiD, the first one I mention is Simba, and I will even link them to the site; even if I'm on RiD itself. I mention RiD as a first option because if you think about, try and look from my view, I've had great success there, and I love the community. Now, putting you guys into the same position, you'd recommend Simba, correct? Because you had great success here, and you love the community, correct? We're not so different, we just have different main loyalties per-say. I also didn't come here to try and argue with all of you. I simply wanted to correct certain misinformation that was being spread (e.g. 20 hours for 7 quid instead of the real ~100 for 8 USD, etc). I'm not going to waste forum space by arguing with everyone. If someone wants to have a 1-on-1 chat with me via MSN or Skype, I can be PM'd here and I can give you my info. I'd rather have a polite conversation about whatever you may be wondering than have it all splattered across a forum page. Again, I believe Simba to be a great scripting platform, and it can do some amazing stuff. I didn't want to get in a RiD vs Simba war. And I don't mean any harm to you guys with this whole thing. If you're happy with Simba, stay with Simba; if you're happy with RiD, stay with RiD; If you're unhappy with either; do some exploring to find which you like more.

I would love for both communities to be able to communicate and interact in a peaceful manner as rivals, as friends, as bot nuke survivors, and much more. I'd rather users from either forum take the time to explore, learn, and possibly use either site's bots so that they can have first-hand experience of what it's like, how it works, et cetera. That way there will be a lot less people operating off of hearsay, and more from actual experience. Whether they like RiD or Simba better, as long as they're happy with their botting experience, all is well.

If anyone has some other input about possible improvements to the community or forum (not bots) that could be made, it is much appreciated! The sooner the staff are aware of specific issues or problems, the sooner we can work to fix it! :thumbsup:

First off all i would just like to say ignore everything trents has to say hes just a retarded brownose.

Now to what i acctualy want to say, i dont understand why there must be so much hate towards RiD cant you just leave it at that both RiD and Simba has there pros and cons.
if you like simba good for you if you like using RiD good for you.

And for the RiD comunity it has it downsides, i know we can be realy hard on initiates and thats mostley becouse every 2 seconds theres some new kid who didnt bother to read read the guides before using the bot and then goes to the chatbox and starts freaking out.
but yea we need to go lighter on the new guys.
overall i would say that its a realy good comunity once your in it if you can just look past some of the retarded americans

From: Swedish Viking
First off all i would just like to say ignore everything trents has to say hes just a retarded brownose.

Now to what i acctualy want to say, i dont understand why there must be so much hate towards RiD cant you just leave it at that both RiD and Simba has there pros and cons.
if you like simba good for you if you like using RiD good for you.

And for the RiD comunity it has it downsides, i know we can be realy hard on initiates and thats mostley becouse every 2 seconds theres some new kid who didnt bother to read read the guides before using the bot and then goes to the chatbox and starts freaking out.
but yea we need to go lighter on the new guys.
overall i would say that its a realy good comunity once your in it if you can just look past some of the retarded americans

Proved your ignorance right here:

From: swedish viking
retarded americans