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http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Botwatch

Botwatch is the name of the software Jagex uses to detect accounts using bots ingame. This system is scheduled to receive a major update on 24 September 2012 along with the release of Botany Bay. According to Mark Gerhard, Botwatch will be able to profile accounts and determine whether or not they are using botting software. Other rather unsuccessful anti-botting measures have focused on protecting and obfuscating RuneScape's source code; Botwatch doesn't focus on breaking the code of the botting software but instead monitors an account's actions and determines whether or not it is human behavior. The Botwatch system will have the ability to ban players directly, making it the first automated banning system in RuneScape. This being said, Jagex is quite confident that Botwatch will be flawless and not ban any legitimate players.
According to Mod Jacmob, he himself has worked on this project.

I know that the main targets are powerbot/epicbot, but wouldn't something like this target all bots in general?

Yes, yes it would. :)

Yes it targets all bots in general, as they so claim.

However with the right simba script, you're at no higher risk than playing legit.

The way this thing is going to work out is by Jagex having the power to see the client the way you see it. It's kind of like them coming to your house and looking at your computer. So if they see no procedure and/or clients, you are okay. which that's the hard part.

From: Ucantseemebot
The way this thing is going to work out is by Jagex having the power to see the client the way you see it. It's kind of like them coming to your house and looking at your computer. So if they see no procedure and/or clients, you are okay. which that's the hard part.

Are you saying they can see what we are running on our computer? Wouldn't that break every law of online privacy? :p And also, Jagex is going after Epicbot and Powerbot legally, trying to sue them and take them down. They aren't, and likely won't ever sue us, because we are 100% opensource and non-profit.

im pretty sure jagex can't legally see what's on our computers even if they can, and I don't think jagex will go through legal troubles just to get rid of bots

haha gl fagex by time its botabybay on th 24 th i will have gotton 99 attack fagexxxxxx

From: Footy
Are you saying they can see what we are running on our computer? Wouldn't that break every law of online privacy? :p And also, Jagex is going after Epicbot and Powerbot legally, trying to sue them and take them down. They aren't, and likely won't ever sue us, because we are 100% opensource and non-profit.

I'm not sure about how they will do this but i'm guessing it would be something like that. After all, I think there would be some kind of reflection that jagex will use to see how we are running our players.

If they can do that, I'll just bot in the client. Rename simba, change the icon in the taskbar, keep it minimised. Even if they can see my screen, they wont be able to see I'm botting.

From: Footy
If they can do that, I'll just bot in the client. Rename simba, change the icon in the taskbar, keep it minimised. Even if they can see my screen, they wont be able to see I'm botting.

Well hopefully this doesnt cause us too much trouble. But at the same time, I want botters to be gone because I have maxed out my account to do almost anything in game legit. It would be a good time if pb and eb messed up. Footy read my m if you havent.

From: Le Jingle
Yes it targets all bots in general, as they so claim.

However with the right simba script, you're at no higher risk than playing legit.

Indeed. We really can step up our human-like behavior in our scripts and I'll personally be working on projects along these lines.

I think what will get players banned from here on out is how the use the scripts; are they always running the same script in the same area for the same purpose for hours on in? IMO, normal players aren't going to do one task for that long, and if they did they probably wouldn't do it again the next day. We need to mix up which scripts we use in-game more often, not just focus on one skill or one task.

From: Footy
Are you saying they can see what we are running on our computer? Wouldn't that break every law of online privacy? :p And also, Jagex is going after Epicbot and Powerbot legally, trying to sue them and take them down. They aren't, and likely won't ever sue us, because we are 100% opensource and non-profit.

From: scipio
im pretty sure jagex can't legally see what's on our computers even if they can, and I don't think jagex will go through legal troubles just to get rid of bots

When you agree to run Runescape you legally agree to let them monitor your computer (to a point?), it's actually in the ToS. Besides, I've heard Blizzard does this already, why wouldn't Jagex? :/

From: print
haha gl fagex by time its botabybay on th 24 th i will have gotton 99 attack fagexxxxxx

Please stop that mate, it's not impressive and you're not making yourself look cool. It really is just annoying.

From: Footy
Are you saying they can see what we are running on our computer? Wouldn't that break every law of online privacy? :p And also, Jagex is going after Epicbot and Powerbot legally, trying to sue them and take them down. They aren't, and likely won't ever sue us, because we are 100% opensource and non-profit.

Not to mention legal :D

From: Flight
Indeed. We really can step up our human-like behavior in our scripts and I'll personally be working on projects along these lines.

I think what will get players banned from here on out is how the use the scripts; are they always running the same script in the same area for the same purpose for hours on in? IMO, normal players aren't going to do one task for that long, and if they did they probably wouldn't do it again the next day. We need to mix up which scripts we use in-game more often, not just focus on one skill or one task.

I believe this is the best comment so far.

From: scipio
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Botwatch

I know that the main targets are powerbot/epicbot, but wouldn't something like this target all bots in general?

They said in the live Q&A that they will target color-based bots too.

It will be interesting to see how everything pans out over the next few weeks.

We'll have to improve certain things to be more human-like. Jagex once said that a part of there bot detection system detects if you're aiming for the middle of buttons like humans do, or click on a random spot on the button like bots do. I'm almost finished with some procedures to do this human-like :D
We should have a topic where ideas of human-like/antiban procedures can be posted.

This is gonna make it alot harder to learn to script, all the new scripts are gonna have to be pretty human-like. =/

From: TehNeonFishy
This is gonna make it alot harder to learn to script, all the new scripts are gonna have to be pretty human-like. =/

Yes, but that means all scripters will have to put in some real effort to each script rather than half assing it :)

Like with every anti-bot update, we will be seeing more advanced techniques and a new golden age of botting once these techniques are mastered.

Well, this 'Botwatch' is going online any time now since it's already the 24th in the UK.

i cant wait to see powerbot bots getting banned and seeing kids cry lolol

You know they will all come here when PB and EB goes down. :/

From: Footy
You know they will all come here when PB and EB goes down. :/

We should prepare to receive a bunch of leachers during the next few days.

From: Ucantseemebot
We should prepare to receive a bunch of leachers during the next few days.

Agreed, I should become a mod so there are more people to handle the influx of noobs.

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Avoiding being banned doesn't mean adding a few extra procedures to the case statement in your antiban function. Add total randomness throughout your scripts and don't bot 15 hours a day. Tbh I look forward to the challenge. Think- What would a human do?

im be scarid about whats gonna happen tummorrow

Looks like I'm going to do 80-85 mining by myself…

So… Is the bot nuke today or tomorrow?

I doubt this is going to affects bots very much at all. Sure, ban rates might be higher but they're doing nothing to stop the bots if you think about it.

Plus, there were two massive updates to powerbot's RSBot yesterday/today so I'm sure they're prepared.

From: Leonardo Da Vinci
So… Is the bot nuke today or tomorrow?

Botany Bay comes first, then the Nuke.

In case ur curious they have already started the mass banning, go check out sorcerreses (sorry for the spelling :P) garden, its sooooo wierd seeing it empty.

Time to play legit. At least till member runs out…

First time I met nobody at Edgeville yew trees spot
And resource dungoen is almost empty.
And yes, I'm still using SMART client:garfield:

From: freezeyp
First time I met nobody at Edgeville yew trees spot

And yes, I'm still using SMART:garfield:

Hope you edited the username.

From: Solar
Hope you edited the username.

Damn, didn't notic that.

It could be the fact most people are waiting to see what this update actually does in terms of how bannable, so no one is actually botting. :o Everyone seems to be saying they are gonna legit for a few days then see what happens.

Those spots are empty because the powerbot scripts are temporarily removed from the SDN, untill the scripters update them to be compatible with the new RSBot.

From: Chris
Those spots are empty because the powerbot scripts are temporarily removed from the SDN, untill the scripters update them to be compatible with the new RSBot.

^knows what he's talking about.

From: Leonardo Da Vinci
So… Is the bot nuke today or tomorrow?

Botany bay + the "bot watch" is coming out today.

EDIT: or not..

Update in one hour!
I CAN'T HANDLE THE SUSPENSE!

:( I'm going to school now, let me know how it goes!

I have heard that they broke grotworm bots and fixed the drops back to what they were originally, but I haven't heard anything about this at all on the forums, is this right?

Lol, Runescape is down.
They didn't bot the nukes, they nuked their servers.

So what's going down? Any think to say about the update?

Haven't been on yet. Once someone goes on it would be great if they could report back

I've been on, botted too… nothing seems different?

Start using 2-th account to bot, but I have transferred all the money to the main to prevent getting caught.

Meh I'm just going to continue 24/7ing my main until I'm maxed, just like I have for the last 6 months. I have complete faith in srl and I do not expect to be banned anytime soon.

From: Zerkeronrs7
Meh I'm just going to continue 24/7ing my main until I'm maxed, just like I have for the last 6 months. I have complete faith in srl and I do not expect to be banned anytime soon.

It's your choice if you are going to bot non-stop and expect to be still recognized as a human by this new system.

I like the whole Idea of getting rid of spammers, advertisers and basically the autotypers.

Been botting from about 3PM GMT on and off due to randoms and Bugs in my Script causing it to Stop, (Not ones that make you looks bot type :P) Which makes it look semi human that every so often it logs then re logs about 30 min later.

From the picture of the Mod on the Forums we could expect a update tomorrow? defo with in the next week.
Mat

Doesn't look like anything has changed.

I still think this is more to kill the gold farmers off, the ones that sit in there granite and d legs 24/7 @ groatworms and dragons and that.

Yeah everything seems pretty normal :/ I say it hesitantly

Well I've had more randoms so I think Jagex is watching me.. however I haven't actually botted in a verry long time.. since i last released a script..

so i've been playing at work xD

Funny, for me it is the total opposite. I haven't had any randoms since Sunday. I thought they took it out already. Guess they haven't

botwatch = a system that looks for players who do the same exact things, as timming and clicks, delays, camera movements ect, This would be a very bad thing if botwatch only looked at how users do randoms, obviously clients all have one setting for randoms >.<

but if they only looked at skilling then simba users really wouldnt be affected to much since they really dont have alot of users using the same exact scripts. And even the users who do use public scripts have the ability to tweak the script just enough to make themselves uniqe and not get detected.

I saw this in my degbug:

******** FOUND MOD ********
Logging out, waiting 1-2 minutes until mod leaves

Does it do that only if Jmod is detected or are pmods also included?

From: l6bustank
I saw this in my degbug:

******** FOUND MOD ********
Logging out, waiting 1-2 minutes until mod leaves

Does it do that only if Jmod is detected or are pmods also included?

Player moderators too if I remember correctly.