SRL Archive - Discussions and Debates

I know there thread's publicly, but I'd like to know members + Opinions on there new system. Do you think we'd be screwed?

Mat

I'm not sure, I think they are fairly serious about this. According to the livestream Botany Bay is introduced tomorrow, so we'll see very soon…

They have mentioned multiple times that they will detect players by the fact if they are talking or using quickchat, etc. So I think we really need to work on an auto responder or something.

Jagex just mentioned they are going to sue Powerbot and Epicbot. With multiple lawyers etc. Nothing about Villavu :)

EDIT: They now said it will be live before the end of September.

I feel that a lot of bots are detected by their consistency. We need to write bots with more "Human Error" in them. When you are playing, will you always click where you intended, or will you sometimes miss click? I find that I hardly talk to people when I play without a bot, so not talking should not be too key in bot detection.

Also, Its not that human clicking we need new Mouse moving, that stall randomally, and are more human, HumanMM isn't human imo.

Mat

From: EtherFreak
I feel that a lot of bots are detected by their consistency. We need to write bots with more "Human Error" in them. When you are playing, will you always click where you intended, or will you sometimes miss click? I find that I hardly talk to people when I play without a bot, so not talking should not be too key in bot detection.

This, I agree with.

There should be "Human Errors" and also the mouse speed needs to be sorted out so that the smaller the object to click, the slower it moves the closer you get. And many other things could be done to.
The talking part, well, if I don't wanna talk then I wont, they can't make you.

From: Mat
Also, Its not that human clicking we need new Mouse moving, that stall randomally, and are more human, HumanMM isn't human imo.

Mat

Jagex just said like: ALL bots, especially little color pickers. Yeah, we definately need some stuff like that :P

I remember reading somewhere on a thread here that Wiz had worked on some AutoResponder dialogue, but he got tired/hiatus'ed it because there was too many things to add (If he reads this, I'll take a look / take over that if it still exists).

I agree with the need for more mouse movements too, I've tested my mouse moving via recording and using the recorded movements on Paint. I notice that, in comparison to MMouse, that I tend to have more build up / 'jiggle' between movements - meaning I don't just offset my path, but (especially on turns) I create more bold lines when using my mouse. I leave a wider, yet still direct path … if that makes any sense :s

Also, I didn't know it was supposed to arrive before the end of Sept. (Bot Bay) - thanks for that heads up J J

Will definitely be interesting to see what this update truly holds.

To be perfectly honest I think it is a bluff, but we will see.

I remember back years ago, many people had autoresponders/random talking in their scripts. It's been quite a while, so don't quote me on it, but I think I even remember an autoresponder section in SRL a loooong time ago?

From: EtherFreak
I feel that a lot of bots are detected by their consistency. We need to write bots with more "Human Error" in them. When you are playing, will you always click where you intended, or will you sometimes miss click? I find that I hardly talk to people when I play without a bot, so not talking should not be too key in bot detection.

I agree, and we've had this in the past.. many times I've seen scripts that on purpose when dropping an item it will click examine or miss-click the text which is what I'd do if I was going even half as fast as some bots drop.. I think why we don't have this anymore is because people realize jagex doesn't care, and currently they really show they don't. Maybe in the future we'll see this stuff being required, which would make sense that it does make you look extremely bot like.

Flights dropping in his scripts for example (not to pick on him) but those should be near instant bans for anyone who acts like that, no human can get near that drop speed.. the mouse keys.. maybe.. but definitely not with a mouse & right clicking etc… but again right now we're able to get away with it, so why wouldn't we abuse that.

and to add in with the mouse movements, a huge start would be using some of flights mouse movements, stuff like that should just be put into SRL, it seems a lot of the better stuff is per script and not added to the include.

From: J J

They have mentioned multiple times that they will detect players by the fact if they are talking or using quickchat, etc. So I think we really need to work on an auto responder or something.

Indeed this is a good idea to move forward on. I've brainstormed some systems to handle chat and SI but they've been put aside. It definitely won't be easy to make a really human-like auto-responder, but it might very much be required in the near future.

From: J J

Jagex just mentioned they are going to sue Powerbot and Epicbot. With multiple lawyers etc. Nothing about Villavu :)

Best news I've heard all day.

From: Mat
Also, Its not that human clicking we need new Mouse moving, that stall randomally, and are more human, HumanMM isn't human imo.

Mat

Aye, that can be arranged. I'd really like some input from users on what they would describe as "human mouse movement" and how it differs from SRL's standard mouse movement.

From: grats

Flights dropping in his scripts for example (not to pick on him) but those should be near instant bans for anyone who acts like that, no human can get near that drop speed.. the mouse keys.. maybe.. but definitely not with a mouse & right clicking etc… but again right now we're able to get away with it, so why wouldn't we abuse that.

Very true. I don't feel safe using my simulated mouse-keys dropping which is why I warned about the potential danger of using it.

From: grats

and to add in with the mouse movements, a huge start would be using some of flights mouse movements, stuff like that should just be put into SRL, it seems a lot of the better stuff is per script and not added to the include.

:) Always room for improvement, but like I mentioned earlier, I need suggestions from people on what they call "human mouse movement"; I've built all my mouse procedures based on how I move my mouse in-game; I'd much rather have multiple input.

I'd release something nice for us if It was possible for me to secure it properly, because if the code I have did get leaked, the consequence's for Runegliders undetectability would be 2 much for it 2 bear, that's the only reason I've been working on it strictly In Java.

I think the idea of mis-clicks and spam clicks should be implemented much more in scripts. Especially where they are really repetitive (herb/fletch etc).

I will pay a bit more attention to how I move the mouse but the majority of the time I am on a laptop so at present there are lots of moving part way to the point then stopping then starting again as I reposition my finger

Most of you weren't involved in the earlier years of RS botting.
From 04 to late 07 You really were just simply asking for a ban if you botted 12 hours in a row with a single char. I believe they have been ignoring major amount of bots for past few years. If they wanted to ban the majority of the bots the ONLY thing they would need to do is to flag every account that has more than 15 hours per day ingame time.

Scripts aren't any more "advanced" nor techniques really, considering the fact that game had way more simple graphics back then, so more simple solutions worked exactly the way the more complex ones do now for comparisons sake.

If they are for real going to take a stand against botting, you have to start botting smart like this community did in the earlier years.
Blend in ? Anyone ? ( Yes, thats a huge part of the "SRL philosophy", goldfarming never was part of it ).

I heard in the RS Q&A live stream that the bottany bay update is supposed to release on Monday. To me, it felt like they want to instant ban the gold farmers as opposed to the legitimate players. If there's no more Random Events either, I'll be very happy as I'd much rather create a nice hefty antiban rather than figuring out randoms :>

From: Flight
Very true. I don't feel safe using my simulated mouse-keys dropping which is why I warned about the potential danger of using it.

Yea, and I think it's beyond ridiculous that we can get away with it…

I can't input on human mouse movement, normally my bass is going so my mouse jitters all around & I sit in my lay-z-boy chair rocking sometimes so the mouse flies all over, especially when I'm typing it usually slides down into the chair and spazzes all out (as it did while I typed this)

All that is needed is a human body clock for the bot's, also a personality which isn't that complicated since the average donkey on their, does not have a very complicated mindset and a pretty basic schedule ;) I won't go into it 2 much, the chain is as strong as it's weakest link. Humans are just to predictable, most people in society are quite brainwashed and extremely repetitive, they thrive on current event's and discuss them quite often it's kind of like people are a couple of Mb's of memory that spit different views and information that they retain out constantly in an illogical highly predictable manner, make your own broken record.. people aren't that intelligent.. know what I am getting at omegos?

How about instead of speculation :p, when it comes out we make a few accounts and just test our theories.

I'll probably test out some heavier anti-ban scripts I have, that make more sense with the script that it's for. I'm highly sure that the actions, down to mistakes made, ability to retain effectiveness, etc. are that of a human. However perhaps they're just taking in statistics such as clicks, wait times, etc. So I guess I'll just loop back around with my own broken record talk :P but I tend to agree with some aspects of Leetsxc/Sir Ducksworthy. (I personally think that the system they'll implement, so my theory per-say, will be subjected around basic human gameplay..)

And I think it will come down to trial and error for our theories, as I'm sure those will lead to another decent period of knowledgeable ``botting"" standards. :)

Cheers,
Lj

P.S. - It would be interesting to see people make their own Private Friends Chats, and implement new chat dialogues every 'x' session. I.E. specific dialogues created for each character within the private friends chat, adding to a potentially better antiban. :P – Oh well, should be a fun update! ^.^

1. This new system will again be 100% fully automated, so plenty of room for us.
2. It is almost impossible to implement an algorhythm that 100% correctly filters out generated mousemovements. (Test it by creating a test-program that monitors mouse movements and make the program decide whether this is computational or human?) There are just too many ways of cursor point-and-move devices nowadays. What we can do for instance is build in more randomness in functions.
The only thing I can image is that Jagex now "knows" our mouse algo's. They have tested and understood our stuff at HQ.
3. I'd be supercautious with your high level players these days; wait till the storm blows away.
4. Be wise with your players! Dont leave them unattended, change scripts, dont play around the clock with them, play a lil' legit once and a while, do a small quest, have some friend on your friendlst, chat a lil'….. common sense human stuff, simple and effective.

From: WT-Fakawi
1. This new system will again be 100% fully automated, so plenty of room for us.
2. It is almost impossible to implement an algorhythm that 100% correctly filters out generated mousemovements. (Test it by creating a test-program that monitors mouse movements and make the program decide whether this is computational or human?) There are just too many ways of cursor point-and-move devices nowadays. What we can do for instance is build in more randomness in functions.
The only thing I can image is that Jagex now "knows" our mouse algo's. They have tested and understood our stuff at HQ.
3. I'd be supercautious with your high level players these days; wait till the storm blows away.
4. Be wise with your players! Dont leave them unattended, change scripts, dont play around the clock with them, play a lil' legit once and a while, do a small quest, have some friend on your friendlst, chat a lil'….. common sense human stuff, simple and effective.

Just like the old days aye ;)

From: DaWu
Just like the old days aye ;)

Yeah, sort of :) Well see. Keep low for some time.

I'm pretty sure with some math and use of the brains on this forum we can come up with a better human like system

From: WT-Fakawi
1. This new system will again be 100% fully automated, so plenty of room for us.
2. It is almost impossible to implement an algorhythm that 100% correctly filters out generated mousemovements. (Test it by creating a test-program that monitors mouse movements and make the program decide whether this is computational or human?) There are just too many ways of cursor point-and-move devices nowadays. What we can do for instance is build in more randomness in functions.
The only thing I can image is that Jagex now "knows" our mouse algo's. They have tested and understood our stuff at HQ.
3. I'd be supercautious with your high level players these days; wait till the storm blows away.
4. Be wise with your players! Dont leave them unattended, change scripts, dont play around the clock with them, play a lil' legit once and a while, do a small quest, have some friend on your friendlst, chat a lil'….. common sense human stuff, simple and effective.

That's some good advise, I wish everyone would read this. I hope you can understand why I'm a bit disappointed to see threads like "Nuke coming soon, so let's bot 24/7!". I really don't like that attitude. :(

I wonder if its possible to make a true human moving mouse?
I might have a dabble tonight.

I think jagex could pretty easily ban 99% of bots just by checking mouse clicks. Most scripts never move the mouse when the mouse is pressed. I think there is many things they could do but they probably won't. And even if they do there is nothing that could stop botting permanently.

Playing with Break Mouse and changing how it moves, and making it stall as if i was on a laptop, I'm trying to copy what I do when im on my lappy.

We could use this type of software to try to identify mouse/click patterns, and then try to simulate them. I think spam-clicking is definitely needed as a version of the Mouse function, I'm surprised nobody added it till now really. It could be used when attacking monsters, mining rocks etc. Spamming for a second or so shouldn't cause any problem with on screen objects due to the reaction time of the game.

E: ^Isn't there already a boolean thingy that you can set to true so that mouse functions act like laptop touchpads? I remember seeing it, I just never used it.

I think the only way Gejax will monitor any type of mouse movements on your char is if you get flagged, it just requires too much on their end (in terms of monitoring with available processing power/humans around to check account flags). The main thing is, (DaWu brought it up) is just to not play 12 hours straight per char. We may have to go back to armies. (Tarajunky's chicken killer anyone?)

From: litoris
We could use this type of software to try to identify mouse/click patterns, and then try to simulate them. I think spam-clicking is definitely needed as a version of the Mouse function, I'm surprised nobody added it till now really. It could be used when attacking monsters, mining rocks etc. Spamming for a second or so shouldn't cause any problem with on screen objects due to the reaction time of the game.

E: ^Isn't there already a boolean thingy that you can set to true so that mouse functions act like laptop touchpads? I remember seeing it, I just never used it.

I found this yesterday when searching for ways to make my new scripts mouse movements more human-like. It's in the antiban include.

(*
MultiMouse
~~~~~~~~~~

.. code-block:: pascal

  function MultiMouse(x, y, chance, maxClicks: integer; red: boolean): boolean;

Will simulate "spam" clicking on the point x, y.  Will do it a random amount
between 1 and 'maxClicks'.  Will click once no matter what, then has a percent
'chance' of clicking again after that.  Will not exceed 'maxClicks'.  if 'red'
then will return true if the red X appears after clicking an object, else will
return true after clicking.

.. note::

  | Author: Coh3n
  | Last Updated: 21 July 2011 by Coh3n

Example:

.. code-block:: pascal

  if (waitUptext('ree', 200)) then
    MSI_MultiMouse(x, y, 35, 5, true);
*)
function MultiMouse(x, y, chance, maxClicks: integer; red: boolean): boolean;
var
  clicks: integer;
begin
  repeat
    inc(clicks);
    mouse(x, y, 0, 0, true);

    if (red) then
      result := didRedClick
    else
      result := true;

    if (random(100) > chance) or (not result) then
      break;
  until(clicks >= maxClicks);
end;  

Me Dropping 3 Items

BreakMMouse Dropping 3 Items

MMouse Dropping 3 Items.

So it's evident that no matter what mouse method is being used more 'jitter' needs to be added to the movement. Those lines look far too clean cut for a human given your examples and it would be an unbelievably easy way to detect a bot just by looking at that.

From: P1ng
So it's evident that no matter what mouse method is being used more 'jitter' needs to be added to the movement. Those lines look far too clean cut for a human given your examples and it would be an unbelievably easy way to detect a bot just by looking at that.

Yea, HumanMMouse Jitters I haven't yet tried that, will later now im off to school.
Mat

Interesting,

I do agree with the mouse movements being a little more human but i also believe that everyone where is thinking too much in to it. :) But we will see :)

Hamster they say, they are monitoring mouse movements and stuff like that if all our bots are pretty much the same, then its obvious were botting with simba.
Mat

Looks like it has started a bit.
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1468327

Vid of bot exploding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWNbt9VYsXE

IT HAS BEGUN

From: J J

…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWNbt9VYsXE

…

HA, that advert bot got a nice swift ban! I like the theatrics added to ridding them - spam bots that is.

And the challenge begins…

To Right :D

From: WT-Fakawi
1. This new system will again be 100% fully automated, so plenty of room for us.
2. It is almost impossible to implement an algorhythm that 100% correctly filters out generated mousemovements. (Test it by creating a test-program that monitors mouse movements and make the program decide whether this is computational or human?) There are just too many ways of cursor point-and-move devices nowadays. What we can do for instance is build in more randomness in functions.
The only thing I can image is that Jagex now "knows" our mouse algo's. They have tested and understood our stuff at HQ.
3. I'd be supercautious with your high level players these days; wait till the storm blows away.
4. Be wise with your players! Dont leave them unattended, change scripts, dont play around the clock with them, play a lil' legit once and a while, do a small quest, have some friend on your friendlst, chat a lil'….. common sense human stuff, simple and effective.

Exactly, how people need to be thinking is like this ^ where their is a probability of getting caught their is always a probability of not, as with everything in this world. One could roll a dice 100 times and that dice may not land on a certain number through the whole duration. 6 Proportions on a dice 6 sides=16.6%. We can say that on each side it lands P = % Divided by 2 but that things work in a more complex way since each other number not landing evenly distrubute's an effect to all probabilitys for the next roll. Their is just a rediculous amount of variables that intertwine with everything, that go are unnoticed, just like all of our untapped potentials.

I have no idea what that means ben.
Mat

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understood, from the dice analogy, you may be thinking of something along the following lines?
(This is a snippet Zmon created, however seems to serve a good purpose in terms of randomizing script actions as pointed out, from my perspective at least):

Program RandomizedWeightedAccessor;
  {$DEFINE SRL5}
  {$i SRL/srl.simba}

var i : Integer;
var ac : TIntegerArray;
var COUNTER : array [1..7] of Integer;

function GetAccessor(Low, High : Integer) : TIntegerArray;
var TargetLength : Integer;
var Index : Integer;
begin
  TargetLength := High - Low + 1;
  SetLength(Result, TargetLength);
  for Index := 0 to Length(Result) - 1 do
  begin
    Result[Index] := Low + Index;
  end;
  // randomize with weight by double sweep
  for Index := Length(Result) - 1 downto 1 do
  begin
    if (RandomE > 0.5) then continue;
    // swap
    swap(Result[Index], Result[Index - 1]);
  end;
  for Index := 1 to Length(Result) - 1 do
  begin
    if (RandomE > 0.5) then continue;
    // swap
    swap(Result[Index], Result[Index - 1]);
  end;
end;



Procedure MainTest;
begin
  for i := 1 to 7 do COUNTER[i] := 0;
  for i := 1 to 10000 do
  begin
    ac := GetAccessor (1, 7);
    Inc(COUNTER[ac[0]]);
  end;
  for i := 1 to 7 do
  begin
    WriteLN('PICK ' + IntToStr(i) + ' chosen ' + IntToStr(COUNTER[i]) + ' times.');
  end;
end;




begin

  SetupSRL;

  ac := GetAccessor (1, 7);
  for i := 0 to Length(ac) - 1 do
  begin
    WriteLN('pos ' + IntToStr(i) + ' value ' + IntToStr(ac[i]));
  end;

  Maintest;

end. 

I'll edit in the link where I fount the thread / post. Sec
Edit : Original Thread Found Here ==> http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83456

Close enough,
Our paths intersect, if our paths do not intersect in the same positions theirs less probability that the player is a bot, because when you have no averages their is no possible predictability. Generating a non intersecting path that does not follow any particular pattern, their would be no figures building up to flag. Reaction times? When the object spawns the timer is began, when we click it is registered in ms how long our reaction time is it is added to your average/compared to see if any clock the same times, avoidance of any overlaying reactions or just things in general.
Goes on and on like that, don't wanna bore anybody tho ^

Dunno if this any useful. Red circles represent left-clicks. Green circles represent right-clicks. Black lines represent the path of the cursor.


This shows the activity of the general user, Now if we can implement this and record a LEGITIMATE version of this of runescape gameplay, possibly of multiple users, photoshop and overlay it we can get a general idea of the most used areas and the percentage of people who right click compared to left click etc etc

When I get off work tonight I'm going to play around with some human mouse stuff.

Edit: As well I think a good way might be to get a large sample of people doing the same thing, and compare it.

Edit2: As we'll I have been dreaming up a plan for making a private chat anti ban for using more then one player. My plan for it is they will talk back and forth every so often, maybe in a clan chat too. I think talking is going to be something Jagex monitors with the new system too. Since a majority of bots don't ever talk.

From: Noob King

Edit2: As we'll I have been dreaming up a plan for making a private chat anti ban for using more then one player. My plan for it is they will talk back and forth every so often, maybe in a clan chat too. I think talking is going to be something Jagex monitors with the new system too. Since a majority of bots don't ever talk.

We have done this several time in the past. I am sure I have a chatbase somewhere in a computer with lots of conversations typed by SRL-users. I am even sure they are somewehere here in this board.

EDIT: Search for chatbase and private chat. Lots of code you will find too.Here are your convos:

[ 22-06-2007 at 01:34:03 by WT-Fakawi ]

Hey, is it you again?
Hows life?
Not bad, you?
Well, couldnt be better
lol
really
yeah?
yes I wan the lottery
wow how muc
1 million!
really?
nah..wish it where so


[ 27-12-2006 at 04:18:03 by Ruroken ]

this is such a boring game
is not
is to
is not
is to
is not
is to
is not
is to
is not
:p
lol
were are pathetic
speak for yourself
ok
i am pathetic
so am i :p
-_-
lol


[ 27-12-2006 at 04:16:46 by Ruroken ]

hi
hey
whats up?
nothin
really?
yep
oh, ok
yessir..
lol
nothing happening over here..
wanna come over tonight?
shure
ill call you.
sounds good
yup
ok
so
so what?
nothing. :p
ah lol


[ 25-12-2006 at 05:25:56 by Ruroken ]

yessssssssss
yes what?
i have no homework!!!
:)
wanna come over tonght
cant..i have homework...:(
ah. ok ill talk to you tomorow then


[ 25-12-2006 at 05:24:31 by Ruroken ]

*sigh*
what?
nothing...
really?
no
oh.
yeah..
feel like talking about it?
nope
fine
ok i will
im listening
its my birthday but none of my friends remebered
oh...thats no fun
yeah
happy birthday man..
thanks
tell your frinds how you feel....they will feel bad and apologise
i think i will :)


[ 25-12-2006 at 05:22:01 by Ruroken ]

oh man.
?
school today was brutal
:(
i have so much homework
then why arnt you doing it?
ill do it later..
gotta unwind?
yesssss
lol me 2


[ 25-12-2006 at 05:19:55 by Ruroken ]

welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
welllll what?
nothing
nothing?
nothing
oh.
so
so what?
nothing
this is dumb..but fun :)
i know
lol
lol
what kinda music you like?
punk
what????
punk
oh..really
you dont like that stuff?
nope :p
what do you like
metal
thats cool too.
yeah
:)


[ 25-12-2006 at 05:17:21 by Ruroken ]

hello!
..woah
what?
a little enthusiastic...
what?!?!?!
see? there it is again.
maybe im just an enthusiastic person!!
maybe i dont care.
awwwww :(
...
you make me sad
good.
why so angry?
i made a bad trade
oh.
this other guy ripped me off
its only a game mate.
yeah...but still
ill help you get the money or whatever back
really?
no.
oh
Its only a game. yous houldnt care so much.
i guess..
yeah
you have any friends in RL?
yea
go talk to them..make plans for this weekend...or sooner
....
dont get stuck playing this game all the time
i guess...
it isnt good for you
your right! I shouldnt care so much!
thats the spirit!
thanks alot! I wont play so much now.


[ 25-12-2006 at 05:12:21 by Ruroken ]

hey
hi
sup?
not to much. You?
nothing.
haha.
what?
nothing...
no seriously, what?
no seriously...nothing.
tell meeeeee
no
yessss
alright.
yay!
heres the big secret...
....
i
yes?
am
yes!!??
bored!
-_-
ahahahaha!
:p real funny


[ 21-11-2006 at 21:15:58 by lardmaster ]

did u get the 2k logs yet?
1300!
kool
what r u going to do when u have all of them?
sell them for moneys!
dood, you should do quests or something
well what are you doing?
dragon slayer :)
whatever
i got hw anyways...
me too, i think ill only do 100 more :)
im gonna do it later tonight.
yay! i gained a lvl!
good for you...
:(
bye then.


[ 16-11-2006 at 03:09:19 by bullzeye95 ]

dude ms smith wrote me up
for wat?
i was reading while she was talking
lol
dude im grounded
funny!
if i get caught im gonna be in big trouble
well you better go
nah
whatever


[ 16-11-2006 at 03:06:27 by bullzeye95 ]

wanna go to the wildy wit me?
maybe later, i gotta make muny
k tell me when ur done
kk
well l8r
l8r


[ 16-11-2006 at 03:03:31 by bullzeye95 ]

bored...
me 2
wanna come to my house?
uhh maybe l8r i gotta go to my sisters gymnastics -.-
lol
yea real funny...
it is :)
whatever...


[ 16-11-2006 at 03:00:26 by bullzeye95 ]

hey
hey whatsup
what was our hw for math
uhh page 14 i think
sweet thanks man
np :)
g2g do it
ok cya
bye


[ 27-10-2006 at 22:46:53 by weibs ]

u kno wat my favorite song is?
dont really care
ugh, fine
good
i guess i wont tell you
ok....
comon guess
nah
youre a loser, u kno that?
fine by me
man, thats annoying
whatever
do you hate me or something?
eh
ok then, i guess ill ttyl
I hope not
:( bye


[ 26-10-2006 at 09:17:31 by WT-Fakawi ]

hi
hi
its raining.
haha its sunny over here
wow, what time is it with you?
3 pm
wow, its 11 am here
lol
lol
see the world spinning round
round round round
coocoocatchu
lol
rofl
you like the beatles?
no :)
haha me 2
lol
I like deathmetal
eek
you dont?
no
ow
nvm
l8r
l8r
bye


[ 25-10-2006 at 04:19:46 by Rams89 ]

hey guys
sup
you really like this?
well if i am playing it i like it
not always true
i am too dumb to argue that
lol


[ 25-10-2006 at 00:26:45 by lardmaster ]

hey, ur phones been busy
yeah, dial up sux.
:P
why were you tryin to call me?
to see if you could come to my house
cant, too much hw.
then why are you playing rs?
idk, lol
whatever
im just gonna play for a few more hours...
lol
no wonder your failing math :P
lol
cya
bye


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[ 24-10-2006 at 03:42:34 by Flyboy ]

Are you done yet
What do u mean
I want to go to the wild soon
in a bit.... just chill
chill- thats imposible...
lol
ok let me know when your ready
kk


[ 22-10-2006 at 03:27:58 by weibs ]

man, noobs are so annoying
lol, what happened?
earlier, this guy kept on following me
and..
asking for free money plz!!
lol, i feel for ya
I even switched worlds, and he found me
lmao
oh crap, hes back, g2g
rofl!!! haha, c ya


[ 22-10-2006 at 02:36:41 by dwas woot ]

have you seen the new capes?
dude i just killed an evil chicken!
whats your lvl?
wanna go duel?
this music is really getting on my nerves!
dude where are the red dragons?
i told my mother off today lol!!
why do you hate me
i love tomatoes lol
all random lol
im really into this game now...
omgzors im dying!
i died...
dude help me with this quest


[ 22-10-2006 at 02:32:11 by dwas woot ]

im getting really tired of this...


[ 21-10-2006 at 21:02:32 by WT-Fakawi ]

boring...
what?
runescape
haha
always the same thing over and over
i kinda like that
well, it passes the day :)
it makes time fly
i dont think i can cope with this much longer
haha, that bad?
yeah
well, quit for some time, go see the light
ha outside you mean?
yeah
brrr, its cold outside this time of year
true
I will switch on some more lamps
haha thats not what I meant
:)
and?
much better thank you
...
Now i can continue playing runescape
good
yes
:) ty
kk bye
bye


[ 21-10-2006 at 20:26:50 by Flyboy ]

yo
whatup
did you watch the race yesterday?
yeah it rocked
no kidding... i wish i was that good
me too.... someday *sigh*
lol
when is the next one
not sure brb
kk
ok, its on next thur on channel 56
sweet thanks
np
ttyl
kk cya


[ 21-10-2006 at 19:30:40 by weibs ]

oh man, I dont feel good
you shouldnt of eaten all that junk
but it was good at the time :P
lol
seriously, I feel like throwing up
then go sit by a toilet :P
I think I might just do that
you should
yup, brb
kk
back, feelin better
did you throw up
yea
eww
ikn, ill ttyl
k, bye


[ 21-10-2006 at 18:10:29 by weibs ]

another mining lvl!!!
dang, youve gotten a ton today
ikn, ikn, im good like that
haha
not that far away from another lvl
how? you just lvled
ya, but i mine like crazy
lol
k, gotta get back to minin
alright
i feel another lvl comin
sure..sure
c ya


[ 21-10-2006 at 18:08:10 by weibs ]

hey hey hey
why are you so happy
no reason
you should come over
maybe
kevin and ben are here
really?
ya
hmm, i might come over in a lil bit
kk
did you see the fight yesterday?
no, but i heard about it
it was scary
you saw it?
ya, one guy got his head slammed into the locker
holy cow
i know, theres a dent in the locker now :P
lol, how long did it last
about 5 mins
didnt the teachers do anything?
they tried, couldnt get them calmed down
oh
but my english teacher got a hold of one of em
what did he do?
held him back, hes like buff
lol, anyways, i sold all of that coal we got
how much?
22k
nice
so now we have a total of....
317k?
417k
sweet
ya, cant wait till we get to 1 mill
ikn that would be awesome
but that might take a while
unfortunately, yes
but it will happen someday
someday....someday
lol
meh, im bored
come over then!
fine, let me ask
kk
hold on
...........
yeah I can
k
ill be over in like 5 mins
k, c ya then
yup


[ 21-10-2006 at 18:00:17 by weibs ]

how long did you stay up last nite?
like 3
only?
ya, when did you go to sleep?
I didnt...hehe
oh, cool, I was dead tired
i see, i see
ya, so have you gotten ur wcing higher?
not yet, ive been merchanting lately.
oh, I heard thats the best way to make $
yeah, but you have to have a lot of $ 1st
why?
cuz cheap items arent good for merching
oh
rares are the best
oh
well, i gotta get back to selling
ok, ttyl
k


[ 21-10-2006 at 08:29:15 by Wizzup? ]

Hello!
Hi.
So.. what happend yesterday?
Ah nothing much, teacher got mad.
Ah. How un-fortunate.
Yes pitty really, I finally though I would get better notes lol.
Haha! So, Still like mining and combat in rs?
Yes, how do you know?
I looked up your highscores.
Ah ok.
Ok well.. I will stop talking for now.. peeps keep stealing my "money".
Ok. byebye.
Bye!


[ 21-10-2006 at 03:41:35 by Flyboy ]

r u buying or selling today?
nope not today
hmmm
why
you know why... I want to get rich lol
haha yeah we all do
marketing is the way to go my man... everyone becomes a winner :)
sounds like your going to be selling me something soon
maybe or buying if you want to get rid of stuff
you know me always collecting stuff so maybe... just not now
ok
tks 4 asking... will let you know when I need to market stuff
sweet
ttyl
will do


[ 21-10-2006 at 03:34:14 by Flyboy ]

hey
yo
finaly we r both online at same time
yeah, I no what u mean
can you get me more rune chain
no man that was a one time deal
aw please ill owe you big time
lol you already owe me :)
yeah thats true
hehehe
I got killed in the wild dumb gang got me. so unfair
i know what you mean
I had that guys number and then wham 7 guys had surounded me
ouch
yeah your not kidding
did you loose much
yeah I was wearing full rune :(
bummer
tell me about it
well with friends like you i got to get back to work
lol do i cost that much :p
lol yup
kk ttyl
ok


[ 21-10-2006 at 03:06:01 by Bam Bam ]

Hi
Whats up?
nothing much
nothing?
well, no, Im cutting down willow logs
why?
to make money someone scamed my rune axe
that blows
yeah...


[ 20-10-2006 at 23:22:51 by Sumilion ]

hey
yoh
are you listening at the radio atm?
no, why?
well, the weather...
what?
i dont think we will be able to surf tomo
hmm, shame
yeah, maybe in a couple of weeks or so
maybe, i wasnt feeling like it anyway
how come?
oh, i got scammed, im earning money now...
ah i see, how much?
how much i got or how much i got scammed for?
both
well, i got scammed for 60k
ouch
yeah, i already earned it back though
nice! how do you do it? =)
high mining lvl and your set.
thats it?
yup, and start mining
ah, nice.
i think ill give it a try
right now?
yea
ill give you seom equipment later
=O thnx a lot!
np


[ 20-10-2006 at 22:42:34 by weibs ]

im so depressed
whats wrong?
like youd care
i do, seriously, whats wrong?
hahahaha, you got sensitive!
shut up
rofl, that made my day!
shut up! thats not funny
yes it is
no, i thought you were serious
awww, you gonna cry cupcake?
shut up
anyways, guess what
i dunt wanna talk to you
oh come on, its really cool
fine, what?
alex fell on his face today at school
haha, hes so dumb
I know, it was hilarious
you get your homework done?
what hw?
am studies, the powernoting?
oh, shoot, forgot about that
i know, he always gives so much hw
i hate it too
oh well
ya, we get to use notes on the test
lol
what?
my cat just jumped over me
over...?
ya, she got up on the stool next to me
and jumped over you? how
well, sorta...she landed on my leg
well then she cheated
lol
so whats your minin lvl now?
still not high enough
when will it be?
never
lol, overachever
im bored
ya, i better get started on those notes
lol, i almost got those done in a.p.
ap?
activity period, duh
oh, i knew that
lol
k, c ya
bye


[ 20-10-2006 at 22:34:08 by weibs ]

omg, you wont believe this
what?
holy cow this is awesome!!!
what? tell me!
ok ok
....continue
this guy was fitin a goblin, and he died
wow..that never happens
but he dropped like all of his stuff
really?
ya, he dropped like full iron
no way, lucky
ya, i know :) but thats not even the best part
seriously?
ya, he dropped....*drum roll*
oh come on just tell me
mith scimmy!!!!!!!!!!!
sweet! thats work like...10k isnt it?
i dunno but im not sellin it
well, thats pretty awesome, nice find
thanks, I gotta get back to fightin tho
ok
gotta get to 20 att so i can use this baby
lol, alright, c ya later
kk, bye


[ 20-10-2006 at 21:15:40 by Ruroken ]

hi
hi
who are you?
Im selling feathers.
Oh.....
um, i read your posts on the forums saying you wanted to buy feathers
oh, yeah, that....im not selling anymore
oh....ok
bye
bye


[ 20-10-2006 at 19:44:34 by Sumilion ]

hey
hiya
so when are you coming
for what?
for the movie
oh right, oops, forgot
i already thought ill find you here
how come
addicted...
i am not!
cmon, you practically forgot your own b-day
little accident
dont deny it
im not, do you still want me to come or not?
sure i do
ok
as long as you dont go talking about rs all the time
like i would
like you didnt last time -_-
you asked for it
i did not
anyway, do i need to take anything with me
yeah!
what, *hides from shame*?
hmpf =(
is it that bad
yeah!
how come?
you were supposed to buy popcorn...
ah right, sry
ah man, now we dont have any
i think we still have something in our house
i hope so, ill see you in a couple of minutes
k, bye


[ 20-10-2006 at 19:36:06 by Sumilion ]

morning
man am i glad your awake
how come
well, its very stupid actually
what a surprise
>< anyway, i was mining while my head flew off
so? didnt you noticed ?
no, i was watching tv at the same time
whaahaaahaaaa rofl!
yeaaahhh... can i borrow some cash?
nop, im also low on cash
ah man, so i was excited for nothing :(
yup ^^
just you wait when i get some mining lvls
right, like its all so easy
it is, isnt it
not really, youll see
i hope not actually
why?
well, it seems easy to me so far
hah, your in for a nice surprise
right
well, continue mining, you make me feel bored
right, cya >


[ 20-10-2006 at 19:16:35 by Sumilion ]

hey
hey, everything cool?
yeah, you?
Oh, you know, just mining =(
again -_-
you must have a high mining lvl then
i cant complain ;)
showoff
thnx
i hate it when you do that
thats why i do it ^^
lol
anything else?
not really
k


[ 20-10-2006 at 19:12:43 by Sumilion ]

hey
who are you?
you were selling willows right?
not really
oh, too bad
i got some other stuff though
like what?
i got some iron i can sell
no ty
why not?
cause i want my firemaking up
for what?
to become the best ^^
good luck
why? dont think i can do it
no
cause no-one beats zezima ^^
true, doesnt hurt to try, does it
no it doesnt
dont you want to be the best ?
yes, but not that much
how come
ill just like to get rich
whatever, i g2g, cya
bye


[ 20-10-2006 at 19:08:59 by Sumilion ]

hey, did any hw yet?
no, what is it?
some stupid essay
about what?
math
math what?
about codes...
what? like 010011
im afraid so
forget it
why?
i hate math
so do i, but im making it
you really love school
no i dont
then dont make the essay
i am making it
why?
cause ill like to graduate -_-
So do i, but this wont matter
How come?
because its an extra
extra?
yes
what do you mean?
its not for a grade
your joking me ?!
nope
how do you know, you didnt even knew we had it
i asked gary
and you trust gary?
no reason why i shouldnt
no, but he is always lazy
true
ah man, now you made me doubt
haha, isnt life hard
oh yes it is
want to work on it tomorrow?
together?
yeah
sure
ok, i got to go, dinner, cya
bye


[ 20-10-2006 at 18:14:45 by WT-Fakawi ]

hi
hey
darn
what?
missed
missed what?
rock
?
because of my eyesight i miss a lot
eyesight?
Ah you didnt know...
no?
I am nearly blind
really?
yes very bad eyesight
wow
so i cant really see what i am doing
a i understand
so i often mis :/
haha
you think thats funny?
nono, i ment, erm...
yes?
Well actually come to think of it...
yes!
I think it is very funny.
... >:<
no really, I am here you are, nearly blind...
grrr
missing all sorts of objects! whaha
I will remove you from my friends list
Ok go ahead idc you are blind anyways haha
fight me
what?
fight me in the wildy!
What? Wait, u r blind man!!!
i will own u
yeah sure you will rofl
now
no way. I am working
removed
yeahyeahwhatever
die
pfrt


[ 20-10-2006 at 18:05:01 by WT-Fakawi ]

hi man
hi
you have addy arrows?
no
too bad
why you need them?
Want to quickly level up
hm, why not use steel arrows?
they dont give enough damage
really?
yup
hm ok
I have steel arrows if you like
nah, I will buy from someone
somewhere
over the rainbow
lol
rofl
ok, I gtg
kk ttyl
bye
bye


[ 20-10-2006 at 17:04:29 by Bam Bam ]

I have to go


[ 20-10-2006 at 16:27:58 by WT-Fakawi ]

hi
hi
sup?
making money :)
haha
you?
same
rofl
its easy to make money
yup
it just takes time
and a high mining level :)
lol
ghehe
a couple of more rounds and i am off
kk me 2
:)
l8r
bye

I found a link to a generic GNU chatbot that I was going to look into.. Granted it'd need some heavy mods to compatible with simba, but I think it looked pretty good at a quick glance. https://github.com/spion/triplie

I was also thinking about figuring some code up for making simba loose focus from SMART, and applying that focus on simba where the script is running (for x time) then swapping back. Might be nice to simulate lost-client focus when players afk.

From: Le Jingle
I found a link to a generic GNU chatbot that I was going to look into.. Granted it'd need some heavy mods to compatible with simba, but I think it looked pretty good at a quick glance. https://github.com/spion/triplie

I was also thinking about figuring some code up for making simba loose focus from SMART, and applying that focus on simba where the script is running (for x time) then swapping back. Might be nice to simulate lost-client focus when players afk.

I think that is the same as moving the mouse off the screen. I could be wrong though.

im up for having a database of different conversations people can have :)

anyway we can make the conversations to be closed source so Jagex can't see them?

From: Noob King
I think that is the same as moving the mouse off the screen. I could be wrong though.

You are wrong.

From: mormonman
You are wrong.

They can detect if you are on the rs page or a different page?

Wouldn't algo's for text matching make for more randomized conversations?

I suppose you'd have to find some intelligent and dedicated person to be able to piece one together, but in hindsight I think it'd be better than data base convo's.

But you could always make your own database and link it to a script in a dll so you don't get jagex peeking, I think?

And yes, there's way to know if you are actively viewing a screen or not, moving the mouse off the RS screen is not the same thing, but it (move mouse off screen) could be considered another form of antiban

From: Le Jingle
Wouldn't algo's for text matching make for more randomized conversations?

I suppose you'd have to find some intelligent and dedicated person to be able to piece one together, but in hindsight I think it'd be better than data base convo's.

But you could always make your own database and link it to a script in a dll so you don't get jagex peeking, I think?

And yes, there's way to know if you are actively viewing a screen or not, moving the mouse off the RS screen is not the same thing, but it (move mouse off screen) could be considered another form of antiban

I have two screens, so when I play legit and use a different window, its just on the other screen, so rs stays open.

From: Noob King
I have two screens, so when I play legit and use a different window, its just on the other screen, so rs stays open.

Yes, but when you select another window, regardless where the rs screen is positioned on (ex. yes or no @"overlapping another screen") you loose the rs windows' focus.

Ex. of similar;

procedure TCustomForm.DefocusControl(Control: TWinControl; Removing: Boolean);

A visual is when, SMART consistently wants to be the active window, you will see it flashing in the task bar. It consistently wants to 'active,' but has no intent to force you to keep it active

Edit: I may be incorrect, but I indeed think that this is the general idea. In java, I think it's the include java.awt.event.FocusEvent;, which can also be found in Ben's git via Smart repo

About the screen focus thing, I think running SMART through wine on linux solves the problem, because things are so screwed up that Jagex wouldn't be able to tell whether it's because you bot or because of wine.

From: Le Jingle
Yes, but when you select another window, regardless where the rs screen is positioned on (ex. yes or no @"overlapping another screen") you loose the rs windows' focus.

Ex. of similar;

procedure TCustomForm.DefocusControl(Control: TWinControl; Removing: Boolean);

A visual is when, SMART consistently wants to be the active window, you will see it flashing in the task bar. It consistently wants to 'active,' but has no intent to force you to keep it active

Edit: I may be incorrect, but I indeed think that this is the general idea. In java, I think it's the include java.awt.event.FocusEvent;, which can also be found in Ben's git via Smart repo

Alright, that makes sense. Wasn't aware they could check any of that. That makes moving the mouse of screen seem rather pointless now.