SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

After most recent events as of lately I like to think of my self being Anti-Islam..I'm starting to be very against anyone from the middle east; that means Pakistan, Afghanistan etc…

I am a film maker, so I take a lot of respect to the director of the islam film.
I've seen plenty of very sick, sad, and or rude films. A lot of polical films I've watched in France in 2010 that caused a lot of riots, or protests. But the fact is; No one was killed…

They should just deal with the fact it was a movie, I find it funny that we can joke about, Rape, Race, Gender Christianty, Buddhism, Toasim, but do not joke about Islam!! What kind of cracked world do we live in?


http://news.yahoo.com/feds-id-california-mans-role-anti-islam-film-164554115.html

Although I agree that everyone should be able to joke around a bit, calling yourself "Anti-Islam" is way over the line. Deciding that you are "very against anyone from the middle east" is just downright racist. You should never form an opinion on somebody based on their race or the culture that they were raised in.

From: BMWxi
Although I agree that everyone should be able to joke around a bit, calling yourself "Anti-Islam" is way over the line. Deciding that you are "very against anyone from the middle east" is just downright racist. You should never form an opinion on somebody based on their race or the culture that they were raised in.

I spent 7 weeks in Iraq on the front lines with camera gear dodging bullets while I filmed for a documentary..

2 months ago I lost a friend of mine who I knew for 14 years in Iraq;

The more & the more I watch, and see everything that is going on-it makes me sick. So if being raicest against a culture is wrong; then so be it. I have no respect for those people and until I can spot out a terrorist from the good I will have to just consider them all terrorists.

It IS wrong. And to your argument about your inability to locate a terrorist by sight: Would you consider all Norwegians terrorists simply because they looked like Anton Breivik? You have got to stop judging people on their race just because you don't know if they are a terrorist.

From: BMWxi
It IS wrong. And to your argument about your inability to locate a terrorist by sight: Would you consider all Norwegians terrorists simply because they looked like Anton Breivik? You have got to stop judging people on their race just because you don't know if they are a terrorist.

I can safetly say, with the recent events that most middle easterns can't be trusted; look at how 4 trained Iraq army members turned on our US troops training them…

Look at how they get hurt over a movie making fun of islam. This my friend is a debate forum; so expect the fact others will not have the same view as you. Regardless if my opionion is Raciest or not.

anyone that wastes any amount of time on any religion is wasting an amount of time…

From: footballjds
anyone that wastes any amount of time on any religion is wasting an amount of time…

your alive?

From: Jos3ph
After most recent events as of lately I like to think of my self being Anti-Islam..I'm starting to be very against anyone from the middle east; that means Pakistan, Afghanistan etc…

I am a film maker, so I take a lot of respect to the director of the islam film.
I've seen plenty of very sick, sad, and or rude films. A lot of polical films I've watched in France in 2010 that caused a lot of riots, or protests. But the fact is; No one was killed…

Those Towel heads should just deal with the fact it was a movie, I find it funny that we can joke about, Rape, Race, Gender Christianty, Buddhism, Toasim, but do not joke about Islam!! What kind of cracked world do we live in?


http://news.yahoo.com/feds-id-california-mans-role-anti-islam-film-164554115.html

You say you are anti-islam, yet you say you can't tolerate anyone from the middle east. You know there are whole countries down there that are not Islamic right (Israel; Jewish)? Also Pakistan and Afghanistan are not in the middle east they are part of South Asian along with India and the surroundings.

The fact of the matter is who are we to make fun of a religion we know nothing about. We see people make fun of Christianity, but generally the people who made the films are also Christians and tbh it is true we don't care and that is our culture. We should respect other cultures and if they don't want people making fun of something, then we simply should not. Should they kill, good heavens no but again we have no right to say what we can or what we can't do regarding anothers region. (especially in America, the land that was founded on Religious freedom)

You simply "cannot" hate an entire race for the actions of a few. I mean do you hate all white men because one injured 72 people and killed 12? Sure there are more examples of this extreme violence in the middle east/surroundings but that is because "they are at war". When america is at war, we also do a lot of "questionable" things..example: Agent orange, purple, green, white, blue, pink; all which cause extreme human disfiguration to babies/adults, it can literally burn the skin right off of you (orange at least can) after being exposed chances of cancer go through the roof. Also lets not forgot the atomic bombs in which we killed millions with (all the affects later etc.).

Anyway I am rambling, my point of the matter is you can not hate an entire race for the actions of a few idiots.
If not; you are no better than Hitler was he hated "all Jews" just like how you hate "all middle easterners"

I am Pakistani, fear me.

First off, I disagree that "most middle easterns can't be trusted". So a handful of extremists killed american soldiers that trained them. Out of the tens of millions of middle easterners in the world. Do you know how many don't have any desire to kill westerners? No, you don't, and neither do I, Because that never makes the news. Do you know why you never read in the paper about middle eastern people not killing someone? Because it is the norm. These attacks are anomalies and do not represent the majority of people from the middle east.

And yes I know this is a debate forum, that is why I am debating with you rather than pm'ing a moderator to delete the thread. I don't expect you to have the same view as me which is why I am debating with you. I intend to change your mind.

How can you be Jewish and live in Pakistan now a days? That is a great question to ask

From: BMWxi
First off, I disagree that "most middle easterns can't be trusted". So a handful of extremists killed american soldiers that trained them. Out of the tens of millions of middle easterners in the world. Do you know how many don't have any desire to kill westerners? No, you don't, and neither do I, Because that never makes the news. Do you know why you never read in the paper about middle eastern people not killing someone? Because it is the norm. These attacks are anomalies and do not represent the majority of people from the middle east.

And yes I know this is a debate forum, that is why I am debating with you rather than pm'ing a moderator to delete the thread. I don't expect you to have the same view as me which is why I am debating with you. I intend to change your mind.

There may only be one fourum mod that may be offended by my thread, but what terms would this thread be illegal against forum guidelines?

Hence again forum is made for debating; if you cant handle a strong opion just skip along.

Also R4N0M have you read the book 'No Easy Day'? Chapter 8 & 9 would be the one's I'm talking about?

Amen. No pun intended… We cannot joke about Islam! Like what is going on!? You can't make a cartoon in the paper about Islam or Muhammad or any turban-wearing person.
Like this
People get killed for disrespect to some babbling idiot who was the "messenger of God"?
Yet we can make jokes about Jesus walking on water and make films like Bruce Almighty and not a word from the terrorists because "it is not allah". Like what the actual F**K!
I would call myself anti-islam and any other indian culturalist.
Finally somebody else who makes sense!

From: Jos3ph
How can you be Jewish and live in Pakistan now a days? That is a great question to ask

If you are going to debate, I suggest going through all the points that were brought up not picking and choosing one… then quoting it wrong.

I am Christian I spent one month in Abu Dhabi/Dubai (Middle east), 2 weeks in Pakistan the other two weeks in India. I had no problems what so ever.

I do not see your question as being relevant to the discussion at hand in anyway. They don't have the same constitution we have, nor are they required to follow ours.


Edit: Chapter 8/9, explain to me the basis of the chapters.

Originally Posted by WT-Fawaki
Behave
Although the main focus of SRL is for scripting, we also like to have fun and debate over the “Real Questions of Life”. You are free to talk about any other subject; however it must be within moral standards.

IMO racism is not within moral standards.

Personally the type of person I am is this; if you can't handle a joke, or an anti movie then to damn bad…I don't see Obama blowing up houses for the dirctor that made the Anti Obama film.

I mainly streched my views on the middle-east / islam and placed my thoughts in a manner that made sense at the time. But none the less; Not all muslims are bad I just rather write them off and not even waste my time with them.

They can burn the american flag, they can burn our bibles but if we were to even attempt to mess with ALLAH we're gonna get a FIM-92 Rocket Launcher shot at us…

From: Jos3ph

I mainly streched my views on the middle-east / islam and placed my thoughts in a manner that made sense at the time. But none the less; Not all muslims are bad I just rather write them off and not even waste my time with them.

Okay I can respect that, I am sure there are christian radicals too but they are uh less vocal. I am sure once the war times are over the Islamic radicals will be less vocal too.

From: R4nd0m
If you are going to debate, I suggest going through all the points that were brought up not picking and choosing one… then quoting it wrong.

I am Christian I spent one month in Abu Dhabi/Dubai (Middle east), 2 weeks in Pakistan the other two weeks in India. I had no problems what so ever.

I do not see your question as being relevant to the discussion at hand in anyway. They don't have the same constitution we have, nor are they required to follow ours.


Edit: Chapter 8/9, explain to me the basis of the chapters.

Dubai…. Really you are going to say you went to Dubai and had no problems! Man come the hell on, Dubai is where all the rich of the rich live. No kidding you aren't going to encounter any problems. I stayed in Dubai for nearly 6 weeks on a production;

India;;; where in India too by the way, its technically seperated into 2 parts… there I only stayed a real short period in India when I worked on a Diabetic doc; but I didnt sense anything like I did when I was in Iraq…I just recall not drinking the water, food was spicey shit was cheap, people were friendly and all in a lot of medical needs…I went with bob marleys newphew so I was given speical attention so dont go by my views to india being accurate

Most importantly you mentioned Pakistan; Pakistan is actually rough for those who are Jewish & those who are americans.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-releases-video-american-hostage-200420922--abc-news-topstories.html

" A Jew living as a civilian in Pakistan…with judgment like that, this guy has already defied the odds in surviving as long as he has "

@Jos3ph How long have you been in the service?

How Many times have you been to the Middle East?

When and where were your times in the Middle East?

How old are you?

Just some question I was wondering….

From: Jos3ph
Dubai…. Really you are going to say you went to Dubai and had no problems! Man come the hell on, Dubai is where all the rich of the rich live. No kidding you aren't going to encounter any problems. I stayed in Dubai for nearly 6 weeks on a production;

India;;; where in India too by the way, its technically seperated into 2 parts… there I only stayed a real short period in India when I worked on a Diabetic doc; but I didnt sense anything like I did when I was in Iraq…I just recall not drinking the water, food was spicey shit was cheap, people were friendly and all in a lot of medical needs…I went with bob marleys newphew so I was given speical attention so dont go by my views to india being accurate

Most importantly you mentioned Pakistan; Pakistan is actually rough for those who are Jewish & those who are americans.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-releases-video-american-hostage-200420922--abc-news-topstories.html

" A Jew living as a civilian in Pakistan…with judgment like that, this guy has already defied the odds in surviving as long as he has "

Fair enough I agree Dubai was really nice, every other car was a lambo pretty much -.-…

I visited new delhi then visited kerala state, yeah stuff is really cheap. I remember buying a bunch of weird gadgets etc. for all of $20 usd. (I am pretty sure I over paid too :P)

Yeah I have a family friend who is from Pakistan and we went with her for the visit. I wasn't threatened or anything, we just went on our way and the locals went on theirs.

From: R4nd0m
Okay I can respect that, I am sure there are christian radicals too but they are uh less vocal. I am sure once the war times are over the Islamic radicals will be less vocal too.

^This is well put. During ww2 foreigners in north america (esp. Japanese) were harassed, sent to labour camps, and deported simply for being of a certain race. We cannot think that we are in the clear as far as wartime discrimination goes.

And:

From: R4nd0m
stuff is really cheap. I remember buying a bunch of weird gadgets etc. for all of $20 usd. (I am pretty sure I over paid too :P)

Remind me to go there sometime :) (I love electronic gadgets at cheap prices) The real ebay experience :D

I am not in the service, I was with the press doing coverage… I was shooting highspeed POV style coverage with 4 other ops 1 died in action but none of us were in the service…

I've been out there in action once, I been in that area 5 or 6 times usally 1-2 weeks at a pop..

I'm old enough… but none of my experience has anything to do with the service and what they do. I was dropped in the middle of a war zone, following our men that were fighting.

From: BraK
@Jos3ph How long have you been in the service?

How Many times have you been to the Middle East?

When and where were your times in the Middle East?

How old are you?

Just some question I was wondering….

From: R4nd0m
Fair enough I agree Dubai was really nice, every other car was a lambo pretty much -.-…

I visited new delhi then visited kerala state, yeah stuff is really cheap. I remember buying a bunch of weird gadgets etc. for all of $20 usd. (I am pretty sure I over paid too :P)

Yeah I have a family friend who is from Pakistan and we went with her for the visit. I wasn't threatened or anything, we just went on our way and the locals went on theirs.

When I was in France back in 2010 I was with a producer from India, never will forget; his name was Abuchek…We had taken a taxi from down town bus station to a resturant and he said " This taxi just costed me 1,000 rubies… " I was like damn man what would this taxi costed you in India he said " 20 rubbies… "

I then was so impressed how much my money meant to them over there where I could travel in India with 500$ and make it into rubbies and I'd be rich… But you paid ameircan money over there, they knew there money isnt as much as ours or at least it was like that when in 2010 when I flew to India few months ago I didnt pay for anything I just seen how low-income everything was…


PS: TY Brak

From: Jos3ph
They can burn the american flag, they can burn our bibles but if we were to even attempt to mess with ALLAH we're gonna get a FIM-92 Rocket Launcher shot at us…

If there was an Islamic army stationed throughout America for 10+ years, destroying buildings and villages, killing innocent people due to suspicion; would hardcore nationalists not rebel?

^Lol that reminds me of a family guy episode where peter went to a tiny isolated village and effectively became their monarch by paying them a few cents to do everything he wanted.

So you went there by choice? The others you went there with went by choice as well? I'm sure you didn't go there to report on how hot it is in the region correct? So you must have been there to report due to the conflict or instability in the region? So you're mad at people in a region for doing something that you were there to report on while knowing it was dangerous there in the first place? Just trying to understand.

e: Also please don't double post.

From: BraK
So you went there by choice? The others you went there with went by choice as well? I'm sure you didn't go there to report on how hot it is in the region correct? So you must have been there to report due to the conflict or instability in the region? So you're mad at people in a region for doing something that you were there to report on while knowing it was dangerous there in the first place? Just trying to understand.

e: Also please don't double post.

We went in the danger zones… This zones we went into are zones that normally you wouldn't go into..

Which is why you saw a higher concentration of hostile people.

But you went there knowing that it was dangerous and are upset at the religion of that region because of it. There have been plenty of Christian terrorist ove rthe years and many more of other religions as well. So does that make everyone from those religions terrorist? Were the revolutionist terrorist back during the Revolutionary war?

From: BraK
But you went there knowing that it was dangerous and are upset at the religion of that region because of it. There have been plenty of Christian terrorist ove rthe years and many more of other religions as well. So does that make everyone from those religions terrorist? Were the revolutionist terrorist back during the Revolutionary war?

yeah, joseph just be a christain and wage a "holy war"(crusades) on all of the middle east in the name of God(sounds like jihad to me).

crusaders were terrorists…

What people don't understand is that in the religion of Islam, you are doing well WHEN YOU KILL NON ISLAMICS.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
Muslim's regularly terrorize Christian missionaries, killing them in graphic and tortuous ways. The last one I heard of, (my uncle has the video, I have declined watching it), they grabbed a pregnant women, cut out her baby, put gasoline in her open belly and lit it. They then grabbed the baby by the heels and killed it.

This is only one story.

Now, that having been said, we definitely cannot treat anyone from southern Asia or the middle east with disrespect (or fear), especially in our home countries, otherwise we don't become part of the solution, but part of the problem.

EDIT: 2 posts while I posted this, there haven't been any "Christian" terrorism or anything even remotely close to the crusades, since the crusades (which 99.99 of all christians would disassociate with anyway).

Only the extremist's believe that killing non Islamics is god's wish, in the way that only the more extreme Christians believe every single word of the bible.

I agree with your second last point completely.

Using this logic

All Americans are fat because some are.
All UK has bad teeth.
All Germans are Pro-Nazi

From: NKN
Using this logic

All Americans are fat because some are.
All UK has bad teeth.
All Germans are Pro-Nazi

The difference is no one is dying, no one is killing anyone.

We should hate on the christians too , because you know, it was a white christian man that killed all those people in Norway. Because, you know, some people's acts always represent the thoughts of the whole group, however many divisions there may be in it.

In all of this world, there will never be anything as evil as Religion.
"My god is peaceful, I'll prove it by killing anyone who says otherwise!"

From: Jos3ph
The difference is no one is dying, no one is killing anyone.

Let's go repeat the Crusades and kill ALL THE MUSLIMS

In case you forgot, Christians started the Crusades, killing, looting, and destroying Muslim cities. It is the same. Quit being blatantly racist, you obviously don't understand the difference between Muslims and extremists, and until you do, refrain from making a fool of yourself.

(Sorry everyone, my jimmies have been rustled.)

Religion and politics; The two subjects which you should NEVER discuss over the internet…

From: Shay
Religion and politics; The two subjects which you should NEVER discuss over the internet…

It's not religion, it's someone who doesn't understand what religion even is, just because you pick up a gun, it's instantly the religions fault, not the person, like OKIE DOKIE I MAEK DIS RELIGION FOR ALL DAH TERRORISTS ONLY.

From: Brandon
Ahh let me join this argument ;)

I HATE muslims. Yes I said it and don't care. There is a reason though. Bad experiences, bad news, bad everything. They get glorified and praised for killing. I don't give a damn about Muhammad or however it's spelled. I want to watch South Park, I want to poke fun at stereotypes because every race and everyone has them for a reason.

What I don't get is why they think their religion is the shit. Like they're some chosen people or something. We can make fun of and discuss anything but when it comes to them, they go all ape shit.

Also you think we're the only ones being "racist" or biased? Think again. How many of them actually marry outside their culture/religion? NONE. Very rare/very few. They kill women who do such a thing. They bitched about the girl not being able to wear her holy clothes during the Olympics even though it would have been a hazard and choked her.

Anyone who does that stuff to women or hurt them in any way like that pisses me off and I will fist their faces. They're just weak to have to resort to stuff like that.

We can stereotype blacks about gang violence and jews about being in the oven and being cheap/rich, and asians about not being able to drive and have small dicks but yet we can't make a simple joke about Mohammed. Sorry too bad.

Also I'd like to tell a little story. I took Mechanical Engineering before programming. This girl refused to take her head wrap off while in the mechanical shop. Teacher said fine whatever.. she bitched, cried everything.. just to keep that thing on. Guess what? Got in the shop, got that + her hair caught in the blade.. Ripped her entire scalp off. You know who saved her? The teacher shoved his hand right through the blade, pulled her hair and wrap out. Entire forearm bone is metal. In Winter he has to wrap his hand in a sleeve so the metal doesn't get cold.

Know what though? He hates them now. Anyone who comes in the shop with that stuff on, he kicks them out. It's stupid that they have to wear that stuff by FORCE. Know what the father said? It was his fault. That if it wasn't for him, he hijab wouldn't be loose. All sorts of excuses. The family cursed out my teacher for even asking her to take it off.

Anyway.. I don't think I hate the people but rather I hate what that religion does to them. It's debatable though.. Iunno.

Point is, Jo3sph thinks every Muslim is a terrorist. That's hating the people for what they believe in. Do I like the muslim religion, no, I don't. I don't like Jewish or Christanity either, but don't hate the people for the religion they were born into. This is my last post in this thread.

So many wars are caused by religion, if everyone was neutral the world would be a better place.

I don't know why, but I feel this discussion is getting inappropriate for the site :P

Anyway, that video spread FAAAAAASSSSSSSTTTTTT!

I only heard of it recently!

From: Brandon
Ahh let me join this argument ;)

I HATE "radical" muslims. Yes I said it and don't care. There is a reason though. Bad experiences, bad news, bad everything. They get glorified and praised for killing. I don't give a damn about Muhammad or however it's spelled. I want to watch South Park, I want to poke fun at stereotypes because every race and everyone has them for a reason.

What I don't get is why they think their religion is the shit. Like they're some chosen people or something. We can make fun of and discuss anything but when it comes to them, they go all ape shit.

Also you think we're the only ones being "racist" or biased? Think again. How many of them actually marry outside their culture/religion? NONE. Very rare/very few. They kill women who do such a thing. They bitched about the girl not being able to wear her holy clothes during the Olympics even though it would have been a hazard and choked her.

Anyone who does that stuff to women or hurt them in any way like that pisses me off and I will fist their faces. They're just weak to have to resort to stuff like that.

We can stereotype blacks about gang violence and jews about being in the oven and being cheap/rich, and asians about not being able to drive and have small dicks but yet we can't make a simple joke about Mohammed. Sorry too bad.

Also I'd like to tell a little story. I took Mechanical Engineering before programming. This girl refused to take her head wrap off while in the mechanical shop. Teacher said fine whatever.. she bitched, cried everything.. just to keep that thing on. Guess what? Got in the shop, got that + her hair caught in the blade.. Ripped her entire scalp off. You know who saved her? The teacher shoved his hand right through the blade, pulled her hair and wrap out. Entire forearm bone is metal. In Winter he has to wrap his hand in a sleeve so the metal doesn't get cold.

Know what though? He hates them now. Anyone who comes in the shop with that stuff on, he kicks them out. It's stupid that they have to wear that stuff by FORCE. Know what the father said? It was his fault. That if it wasn't for him, he hijab wouldn't be loose. All sorts of excuses. The family cursed out my teacher for even asking her to take it off.

Anyway.. I don't think I hate the people but rather I hate what that religion does to them. It's debatable though.. Iunno. I have really good friends who are muslim but their parents hate my guts only because I'm not muslim and of their culture :S My friends just tell me to ignore them because their racist and what not. That's coming from muslim friends!

Just put it all out there why don't you. :P Anyways on to my point. Like you said "Rather I hate what that religion does to them." To understand how and why they justify the extreme acts they commit like doing this to Embassy you must first understand their religion. For most of people who did this the Islamic religion CONTROLS there lives and everything they do. It would be almost as if someone who is already trying to change you (US being so involved with Middle Eastern Countries) then goes and tries to kill you by destroying everything you believe to be the truth. Also people must remember all over the world wars have been going on for 1000s of years because of religious differences and people hate other people that they know close to nothing about besides the fact that they are supposed to hate them. Regions were the worst things ever created and have taken more lives throughout history and we can imagine.

I think it's funny that people are so uptight about Islam, while not giving a shit about any other religion's intolerance. Yes, people are literally dieing because of radicals in Islam, and I'm not trying to take a damn thing away from that, but at the same time in America, Creationists, and fundies are trying to: Make gay marriage illegal, remove evolution from education, and replace it with creationism, make abortion illegal, and only teach abstinence in schools. This is blatantly against the constitution in regards for religious freedom, and a simple step away from turning into a theocracy, which is the very reason America was founded against in the first place

Alright alright alright, i am an Islamist and here's my thought:

First of all, i am from kosovo(Balkan). Very peaceful place, i usually went to Mosque sometimes(the place where you go to pray) every friday.

Friday is a very important day for us islamists, And there's always someone lemme just say a leader/teacher, who tells us things about islam. Everytime the term "christianism" started, he never teached us that we have to kill them or even near to that he actually teached us that we should respect them.

My point is, it really depends at the people… what they experienced. Religion it self doesn't teach to kill people… Qur'an it self says that only if you're getting attacked in your own country, you have the right to protect it.

To be honest, I am not a high religion person. I personally don't even like a few things at islam, i could also say that i'm a little bit of an atheist.


So really, it depends… Islam itself is not bad.


Here are 2 pictures taken here at my city. A Mosque and orthodox church just a few meters away from each other, Beautiful :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sq/3/39/Ferizk%C3%B6iis_SQ.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Angela_Hennig_Kosovo_Ferizaj_2008_171.jpg

From: Awkwardsaw
I think it's funny that people are so uptight about Islam, while not giving a shit about any other religion's intolerance. Yes, people are literally dieing because of radicals in Islam, and I'm not trying to take a damn thing away from that, but at the same time in America, Creationists, and fundies are trying to: Make gay marriage illegal, remove evolution from education, and replace it with creationism, make abortion illegal, and only teach abstinence in schools. This is blatantly against the constitution in regards for religious freedom, and a simple step away from turning into a theocracy, which is the very reason America was founded against in the first place

Fundies = Fundamentalist Christian?

Also: Texas Republican Party Seeks to Ban Critical Thinking
I'm not sure whether to laugh or be scared for future generations. 0.o

From: BMWxi
Fundies = Fundamentalist Christian?

Also: Texas Republican Party Seeks to Ban Critical Thinking
I'm not sure whether to laugh or be scared for future generations. 0.o

scared. Scared because these people are serious.

TBH.. the video wasn't even that bad.. then again, it's not that funny either.. it's just retarded. Don't see why they're mad though :S

http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/movies/the-video-causing-the-muslim-uproar/1838815892001/

That's the video itself. The acting is just horrible so I guess that's why they got mad.

yeah, I don't really get how this video did what it did. Although I guess from the creators point of view it was a success because it managed to rile up a large chunk of the world as intended. :(

Not sure if anyone knows, but the word Islam itself means peace :p

From: litoris
We should hate on the christians too , because you know, it was a white christian man that killed all those people in Norway. Because, you know, some people's acts always represent the thoughts of the whole group, however many divisions there may be in it.

Also to add, islam, judaism, christianity.. are.. all pretty much the same religion.

From: Leonardo Da Vinci
In all of this world, there will never be anything as evil as Religion.
"My god is peaceful, I'll prove it by killing anyone who says otherwise!"

It is unfortunate people exploit religion so much, when it was meant to do the opposite.
As Marilyn Manson says: "I never really hated a one true god, but the god of the people I hated!"

Which I totally agree with, there are lots of disgusting people.. and sorry jos3ph, but you're as bad as the people you hate.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-15/anti-us-protests-hit-sydney/4263372

Never thought it would happen here…

"Hate freedom of expression should be condemned when it is against Islam" - one video stated :-/

The world judges your actions, not intentions. By burning, attacking American & Israeli targets, and killing random people around the world, those in Muslim world is simply showing the hypocrisy in their actions especially when they claim to proudly follow the Koran, which teaches one to forgive and preach peace, without compromise.

While the western world has been accused of being racist, i.e., stereotyping a race of people from so few, wouldn't the recent events, sparked by 1 obscure youtube video, make muslims the epitome of all racists?


That said, I still believe in freedom of speech and expression, however people, of all races, must learn to ignore potentially inflammatory content.

They are just using the video. Those killing and protesting did not just start hating the US after seeing the video.

It is really crazy how far it has escalated

http://mobile.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/pakistan/120918/pakistani-protester-dies-smoke-inhalation-after-b

DERP..

Despite the actions of a few, you do need to see some who did protest against it in a peaceful manner. Basically they are just dissatisfied with such a movie depicting their religion in such disgraceful light. Putting yourself in their shoes, how would you feel if your religion got mocked. Two politicians offering a bounty and few others acting violently is just a show of their intolerance, and the fact that they are raging over such a poorly produced movie which intended to enrage them. They are just allowing the producer to gain the satisfaction he intended in the first place.

From: newb cheater
Despite the actions of a few, you do need to see some who did protest against it in a peaceful manner. Basically they are just dissatisfied with such a movie depicting their religion in such disgraceful light. Putting yourself in their shoes, how would you feel if your religion got mocked. Two politicians offering a bounty and few others acting violently is just a show of their intolerance, and the fact that they are raging over such a poorly produced movie which intended to enrage them. They are just allowing the producer to gain the satisfaction he intended in the first place.

So you're saying that it's OK then since a video mocked them; they should go ape shit..

Pfft I don't see many other religions going crazy when SouthPark gets ballsy. SP has a Jesus that cursed and a gay Satan..

No, I am just saying the peaceful demonstrations are ok, and there is no need for them to start putting out bounty's. The point I am trying to make is, they should not over react, and neither should Joseph hate a whole race just because a few people caused massive riots and "go ape shit"

Relates a religion to a whole region of the world…? k.

From: BMWxi
Only the extremist's believe that killing non Islamics is god's wish, in the way that only the more extreme Christians believe every single word of the bible.

I agree with your second last point completely.

Islamic Extremists: believe in killing non-believers

Christian Extremists: believe every single word of a book

according to your "point" there is a big difference between the two extremes of each religion. One's a bit far fetched and the other is fucking crazy.

From: Zeds
Islamic Extremists: believe in killing non-believers

Christian Extremists: believe every single word of a book

according to your "point" there is a big difference between the two extremes of each religion. One's a bit far fetched and the other is fucking crazy.

Islamic extremists believe in killing non believers because it is said in the book by god himself.
Christian extremists believe in only parts of it that they like, I'm sure most wear mixed-fabric clothing and such.

From: Zeds
Islamic Extremists: believe in killing non-believers

Christian Extremists: believe every single word of a book

according to your "point" there is a big difference between the two extremes of each religion. One's a bit far fetched and the other is fucking crazy.

From: litoris
Islamic extremists believe in killing non believers because it is said in the book by god himself.
Christian extremists believe in only parts of it that they like, I'm sure most wear mixed-fabric clothing and such.

what about the crusades? lmao. christains kill in the name of god too.

Open your eyes:
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Edit:
Yeah watch and listen very carefully to this.

From: footballjds
what about the crusades? lmao. christains kill in the name of god too.

Yes they do, I was fixing that guy's statement because he made it look like muslims just want to kill and christians are always being good people.

From: litoris
Yes they do, I was fixing that guy's statement because he made it look like muslims just want to kill and christians are always being good people.

:) i wasn't sure who was saying what so i quoted you both :P

imo i like every religion more then Christianity. They're the most obsessive, controlling, judgmental and pushy annoying people I know…

I grew up in a conservative christian household…

From: footballjds
:) i wasn't sure who was saying what so i quoted you both :P

imo i like every religion more then Christianity. They're the most obsessive, controlling, judgmental and pushy annoying people I know…

I grew up in a conservative christian household…

Grew up and still living in a conservative Islamic country, I have the exact same opinion on muslims :)

Just go Scientist….
Believe in the BIG BANG.

From: litoris
Grew up and still living in a conservative Islamic country, I have the exact same opinion on muslims :)

I'm living my life in complete freedom. moved out when i was 17 :)

My biggest problem is they'll not accept that you think differently then them. They'll not accept that they could be wrong. So arrogant…

My parents believed the only important thing was that i dedicated my life to God and that everything would follow. They spent their whole life trying to get me to follow Jesus. Rather then teaching me life skills, rather then talking about drugs and their effects, rather then talking about girls and relationships, rather then talking about work, etc. they always focused on God.

The result? I had to figure everything out when I moved out at 17. I don't know that this is all bad, but I am sad that they only cared about my "relationship with Jesus" and not my success in life…

@Jose3ph
I am really disappointed after reading your posts, since my real life name is (also) Joseph :)
I think you are a person who likes to see things as simple as possible and who wants to build an opinion as fast as possible. After trying to show how "open minded" you are after those travels to the middle east, your "redneck-ish" opinion is even more grave.

Btw you guys are really quoting and linking to article on yahoo? Funny.

(Although my name is Christian, I am not)

Almost all religion has taken on prejudices and/or control, a lot of them do some good but a lot of bad as well get out the history books children and have a good hard look. Is any of it you see something someone with the morality of god the religions describe him to have would do?, I don't think so… so the churches/religions contradict themselves. Even to think they know the morality of a god is spitting in his/her/it's face.

Your taking a way too simple look on this. I heard on CNN that there were around 10,000 protesters. Maybe I am wrong and the number is higher. But the basic fact is that there are 1.8 billion Muslims and you are judging them all and becoming anti-Islam because of the actions of 10,000/1.8 billion percent. I'll leave you to do the math. Don't forget to move the decimal place.

I think calling yourself anti-islam and anti middle east people is a bit racist and generalist.

Many poeple get angry if you make fun of their beliefs. If they cant stand jokes, well dont do them. you dont have the right to insult other people. (im atheist by the way but i beileive that religions should be respected)

I hadnt seen the video, but when you said that people find funny rapes well thats really bad…. imagine someone rapes your mother and you hear some morrons laghing of rapes days after.. well that will make me very very ANGRY, not easy to overtake traumas if someone is making fun of them.

I dont aprove what radical religious people are doing nd had done in the world. But if you know that they are going to be mad becouse you are being inrespectfull with them wel… i dont aprove either to make fun of other people, although we have liberty of expresion we cant make it libertinage

Dont harm others, dont harm youself, only make piece. Be critic and be respectfull