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Mod MMG on RuneScape Micro-Payments:
http://services.runescape.com/m=news/mod-mmg-on-runescape-micro-payments

I know you probably don't care about what he has to say, but scroll down to skip all that micro payment bs and look at the pictures.

Will they keep runescape in java and also have a HTML5 version.
Will they completely switch to HTML5?
Above all, what are the implication of this for simba and other bots?

Discuss.

I doubt Simba will be affected, worst comes to worst and we'll have to get rid of Smart, but the Java bots on the other hand…..

No Epicbot,RSbot,Epicbot,only us and SCAR, right?

Well I'm pretty sure that if they decided to dump java, it would have an impact on simba SRL. The graphics wouldn't be exactly the same (as you can see from the screenshot) and so we'd need to tweek alot of SRL functions.

That being said, it wouldn't be a fatal blow for us, only a minor anoyance, and we'd be back in buisness in no time.
Can't say the same for injection though…

I think it'll be at best, a temporary syntax change; logic will remain to develop necessary adjustments for HTML5. This is based off of no experience with either Java or HTML5 :garfield:

Unless they've created a browser plugin based api we need to install I don't see them porting a direct3d/opengl game to HTML 5, it sounds ridiculous especially with the code visibility if they go webgl route. If they do it most of the code would be in the plugin anyway, and then they have the overhead of maintaining the plugin across all browsers and all supported os.

From: Shay
I doubt Simba will be affected, worst comes to worst and we'll have to get rid of Smart, but the Java bots on the other hand…..

If that happens, day 1 I'll do a tutorial for you guys for a virtualized alternative in which you'll be able to run multiple bots without stealing your mouse.. already been thinking about the "what ifs" for the html5 :p

You guys are overhyping HTML-5.. No point worry about anything at all as it's a ridiculous move by Jagex and it will definitely lag bad.. They must provide some alternative. I don't see runescape being written in just HTML-5 at all.

Third, it'd make botting so much easier! You'd have things like cheat engine or bots that just read the RAM for the browser and check for stuff. HexWorkshop does this already and so does HxD.
Writing a program to do the same thing will be far easier than the current injection methods.

The difference in speed between java and html is quite a lot but then again that depends I guess.

I'd love to know why they show more of the view now instead of before.. With OpenGL/DirectX, you can easily change the viewport and depth and frustum and bam you'll see the entire map at once.

From: Brandon
You guys are overhyping HTML-5.. No point worry about anything at all as it's a ridiculous move by Jagex and it will definitely lag bad.. They must provide some alternative. I don't see runescape being written in just HTML-5 at all.

Third, it'd make botting so much easier! You'd have things like cheat engine or bots that just read the RAM for the browser and check for stuff. HexWorkshop does this already and so does HxD.
Writing a program to do the same thing will be far easier than the current injection methods.

The difference in speed between java and html is quite a lot but then again that depends I guess.

I'd love to know why they show more of the view now instead of before.. With OpenGL/DirectX, you can easily change the viewport and depth and frustum and bam you'll see the entire map at once.

Oh.. I thought of that memory reading but I figured they had some fancy way to get around it O_O I would also assume they're doing javascript+html5 type.. but that doesn't change the reading

if that's the case, this can get exciting :P

are there methods to embed the client + a mouse, like a web browser that has its own embedded mouse or something?

I read that yesterday and didn't think anything of it. I would assume we will be another graphical setting that we can change to show us more or less of the map.

You forgot to mention the "Account Guardian". I belive this will be an "You-must-download-this-program-to-play-the-game." kind of thing.

Would take quite a while anyways to get RS to be completely into html5.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to it, would seem the game would benefit from it.

(+ isn't there a way to manipulate web sockets with injection like bots?)

Anyways, start grinding bottables before the conversion hits :P and bam, you are rich.

This is interesting. I hope Simba will survive this once again.

If they remove Java bots then that's it forever for any kind of Java bot? Don't you think they have any type of preparation plan for this kind of thing?
I do see some small changes that Simba will have to make, but nothing major.
All the best to the devs who will need to fix some things.

Well this all makes me ask this question about us: When the bot nuke happens it is most likely gonna to take down the other bots for a looooooong time…which will then have the roaches "scurrying" back to our place again….. do we as a community have a plan to weed out those who never left versus those opportunists who feed off of us?

From: krasniy
Well this all makes me ask this question about us: When the bot nuke happens it is most likely gonna to take down the other bots for a looooooong time…which will then have the roaches "scurrying" back to our place again….. do we as a community have a plan to weed out those who never left versus those opportunists who feed off of us?

They will never get to enjoy the fruits of their own labor (i.e. self-made scripts) and that would be a loss tremendous enough ;)

From: krasniy
Well this all makes me ask this question about us: When the bot nuke happens it is most likely gonna to take down the other bots for a looooooong time…which will then have the roaches "scurrying" back to our place again….. do we as a community have a plan to weed out those who never left versus those opportunists who feed off of us?

We might just see a good portion of the public scripts making their way to a… more secluded area. ;) Now would be a good time to existing SRL'ers to prove themselves and gain the Member rank, before we get swarmed again, no?

From: Flight
We might just see a good portion of the public scripts making their way to a… more secluded area. ;) Now would be a good time to existing SRL'ers to prove themselves and gain the Member rank, before we get swarmed again, no?

I've been thinking about this for a long time. I really need to step my game up ;)

I am excited to see this, and if account guardian works the way I think it will this will be interesting.

From: R4nd0m
I am excited to see this, and if account guardian works the way I think it will this will be interesting.

how do ya think it'll work? i'm hoping they dont start tracking accounts more than they do, or simply start lol. now last weeks update makes sense…

From: lolskilla
how do ya think it'll work? i'm hoping they dont start tracking accounts more than they do, or simply start lol. now last weeks update makes sense…

I hope they do. Even color botting is not much of a challenge anymore. A bit of action from their sides could bring a bit of life in our include.

From: lolskilla
how do ya think it'll work? i'm hoping they dont start tracking accounts more than they do, or simply start lol. now last weeks update makes sense…

I hope it gives you the option to get confirmation before logging in from a new ip. Hacking will be dead then.

Ive been thinking about this account guardian thing… If I were to venture a guess it would be similar to the Blizzard "authenticator"…. Blizzard has two ways to do this…one is a text message from your phone, and the second way is a little handheld device.

This definitely makes it difficult for people on their services to vamoose with your account….

This does though bring up some interesting issues for us botters….. will we have to always use it or only when we want to change certain account info (email or whatever)….if it is always it would be a pain in the ashcan (but also for legit players too!), but if it is the later option then its not a huge deal.

From: krasniy
Ive been thinking about this account guardian thing… If I were to venture a guess it would be similar to the Blizzard "authenticator"…. Blizzard has two ways to do this…one is a text message from your phone, and the second way is a little handheld device.

This definitely makes it difficult for people on their services to vamoose with your account….

This does though bring up some interesting issues for us botters….. will we have to always use it or only when we want to change certain account info (email or whatever)….if it is always it would be a pain in the ashcan (but also for legit players too!), but if it is the later option then its not a huge deal.

It won't be mandatory, just an option that you have to make your account more secure. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a better version of it and sold on Solomon's store. It would be something worth buying then.

the noobs at powerbot are saying that it is a website change and at most using html to boot the game. they reckon the game will not be fully html. I believe this thread tbh I think it will be something along what u lot are saying

I don't think it is possible to create a game like runescape in a javascript.

From: masterBB
I don't think it is possible to create a game like runescape in a javascript.

I don't see why they couldn't use something like html5 canvas/webgl/js combo. After all its only the client we are talking about here.
They probably would be the first one(?) to offer such "major" mmorpg game in that way, but someone always has to go first right ?

i wouldn't worry too much about it.. It sounds like there just trying to catch up with the device age so to speak… Most likely will be an option. will probably ask you if your using a certain device and then it will use html5 if you are. since apple ditched flash there has been a big fuss about upgrading everything to html5. Java has been around for ages i dont see them becoming obsolete anytime soon. Think of it this way all the developers and programers at jagex have become accustom to using the java platform, do you really think it would be in jagex's best interest to force them to switch over to a new programming environment? If they do they would have to train there whole team.. now considering some of them already know it they could in theory fill in the gaps for each other. i just dont see it happening. if anything they will have a team devoted to porting the game over for html5 users. while having the development team stick with what they already know. But then again jagex has made bad decisions in the past. the past is deemed to repeat itself, lets hope this isn't the case in these circumstances.

From: The Killer
the noobs at powerbot are saying that it is a website change and at most using html to boot the game. they reckon the game will not be fully html. I believe this thread tbh I think it will be something along what u lot are saying

They aren't noobs, but don't mistake html for html5 their capabilities aren't even similar.. however you'd need javascript to make a game out of pure clientside code html5+js (lots of games made this way) however they're probably correct.. I doubt the entire game would change, maybe the front end of the game is going to be html5 and the backend can be.. whatever they want

Just food for your thoughts;

https://developers.google.com/web-toolkit/overview

SDK
The GWT SDK contains the Java API libraries, compiler, and development server. It lets you write client-side applications in Java and deploy them as JavaScript.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/

Then there are several other new elements:

canvas is used for rendering dynamic bitmap graphics on the fly, such as graphs or games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGL

WebGL (Web Graphics Library) is a JavaScript API for rendering interactive 3D graphics and 2D graphics [2] within any compatible web browser without the use of plug-ins.

1+1+1 makes it very plausible in my opinion for them to actually go through with it.

"but oh no html is just hyper-text markup language!"

@DaWu yea I'm not sure why people are so confused about it, there are thousands of html5/javascript games. also node.js does the multiplayer javascript fine.. my friend does little games like tic tac toe with it all the time (multiplayer)

From: grats
@DaWu yea I'm not sure why people are so confused about it, there are thousands of html5/javascript games. also node.js does the multiplayer javascript fine.. my friend does little games like tic tac toe with it all the time (multiplayer)

Not to mention that ^^ solution would be the way I see them having their game run on tablets and smart tvs sometime in the future.

Oh well, waiting for someone to down my view of what they are going to do.

From: DaWu
Not to mention that ^^ solution would be the way I see them having their game run on tablets and smart tvs sometime in the future.

Oh well, waiting for someone to down my view of what they are going to do.

I think they'll get rid of bots with html5 & javascript because.. IT'S 500000TIMES SLOWER

however, we're going to be reading browser memory to bot in the future? sounds pretty efficient other than the fact that javascript is shitty and slow

:o gotta admit I didn't see this coming, Challenge accepted Jagex!

like i said its going to be a slow development. Its not going to happen overnight. They can't just port a whole game over all at once. They might be in over their heads an realize its not worth the effort. From the pictures comparison it doesn't really look all that much better anyway. I would abandon the game completely if I'm not able to script, after all I'm only here for programming knowledge :) …getting an unfair advantage in the game is just a plus.lol

From: Brandon
You guys are overhyping HTML-5.. No point worry about anything at all as it's a ridiculous move by Jagex and it will definitely lag bad.. They must provide some alternative. I don't see runescape being written in just HTML-5 at all.

Third, it'd make botting so much easier! You'd have things like cheat engine or bots that just read the RAM for the browser and check for stuff. HexWorkshop does this already and so does HxD.
Writing a program to do the same thing will be far easier than the current injection methods.

The difference in speed between java and html is quite a lot but then again that depends I guess.

I'd love to know why they show more of the view now instead of before.. With OpenGL/DirectX, you can easily change the viewport and depth and frustum and bam you'll see the entire map at once.

Hahaha, that was definitely one of the most up beat and entirely incorrect posts I have ever read, whilst online.

From: TheSun
Hahaha, that was definitely one of the most up beat and entirely incorrect posts I have ever read, whilst online.

Ok then.. I'll wait for you to correct me.

Explain to me how you can write runescape in just HTML 5..
If I'm wrong about OGL and DX then you should give your input on why.

I also said that cheat engine could make things easier and it is indeed true

From: Brandon
Ok then.. I'll wait for you to correct me.

Explain to me how you can write runescape in just HTML 5..
If I'm wrong about OGL and DX then you should give your input on why.

I also said that cheat engine could make things easier and it is indeed true

You think applications such as cheat engine can change values (and stay that way), with html-5? Do you know the reason why they currently don't? inb4googlesearch

From: TheSun
You think applications such as cheat engine can change values (and stay that way), with html-5? Do you know the reason why they currently don't? inb4googlesearch

Server side no.. Client side yes. I'm not stupid. You still avoided the rest of the explanation. Also I didn't mention changing values did I? No I mentioned reading values. If that's the only problem with my post then hats off to you for spotting something I haven't written and for wasting your first two posts on me

From: Brandon
Server side no.. Client side yes. I'm not stupid. You still avoided the rest of the explanation. Also I didn't mention changing values did I? No I mentioned reading values. If that's the only problem with my post then hats off to you for spotting something I haven't written and for wasting your first two posts on me

You where speaking of programs such as cheat engine, which would make the assumption that you where talking of values.:duh:

You can currently change values client side with the client they have now, which nullifies your statement regarding html-5.:spot:

From: TheSun
You where speaking of programs such as cheat engine, which would make the assumption that you where talking of values.:duh:

You can currently change values client side with the client they have now, which nullifies your statement regarding html-5.:spot:

Lol
1. Do you even know what you're talking about? Please change my stats to all 99 or point out what can be changed. RS is entirely server side.

2. Cheat engine has more than one use.. My statement says read.. Not change.. so how in the world did your assumption have any validity. Please don't waste my time arguing anymore. You're ridiculous. If it makes you sleep at night I'll delete my post since it bothers you so much.

3. To solidify my last statement, I did not mention change. In fact, cheat engine can be used to find a relative address of certain things in game(if they don't change) which you can then look for patterns OR read to get the info you want..

Don't make assumptions.

From: Brandon
Lol
1. Do you even know what you're talking about? Please change my stats to all 99 or point out what can be changed. RS is entirely server side.

2. Cheat engine has more than one use.. My statement says read.. Not change.. so how in the world did your assumption have any validity. Please don't waste my time arguing anymore. You're ridiculous. If it makes you sleep at night I'll delete my post since it bothers you so much.

3. To solidify my last statement, I did not mention change. In fact, cheat engine can be used to find a relative address of certain things in game(if they don't change) which you can then look for patterns OR read to get the info you want..

Don't make assumptions.

So, I take it that you don't like your wording to be thrown back into your face, eh buddy? Everyone who has a brain and has played this beyond the "bounty hunter era"(which, it seems like you haven't) knows about the client side changing of values such as gold, which of course gets set back when you say, deposit it.

And, #2 sounds great to me, bro. You should try doing it. :D

From: TheSun
So, I take it that you don't like your wording to be thrown back into your face, eh buddy? Everyone who has a brain and has played this beyond the "bounty hunter era"(which, it seems like you haven't) knows about the client side changing of values such as gold, which of course gets set back when you say, deposit it.

And, #2 sounds great to me, bro. You should try doing it. :D

lol
Nice try Mr know it all. Was there really a point to mentioning that? Such a useless comment. The gold cannot be used in any way. Btw, I've been around since 2006 so get your facts straight before you assume and mess up again. My old account on this site was: http://villavu.com/forum/member.php?u=50176
I have like 2-3 before that.. Just don't remember the username and password and another that was transfered from srl-forums. Made this account as my permanent one when I decided to settle down and stay. All had some random names and stuff.

Most would say that it is client side because only your client sees it but the server does not. I'd "like" call it serverside because the changes are not reflected on the server and the game is a server based game. You seem to just want to argue.

Also I don't mind anyone throwing my words at me but at least have the decency to do it right. You clearly read wrong. I didn't mention changes so that's all on you. How can you be mad at me for YOU reading wrong? Please if you could just kindly point me to where I mentioned changing anything I'd be more than happy to say I was wrong. If you can't then you only have yourself to blame. If you want to prove yourself, do it elsewhere because right about now, the only thing I can see about you is that you assume and you argue even when you're the one reading wrong.

Everyone who has a brain? Aww that hurts.. I must not have one but somehow I can still read what I wrote. I won't insult you back; I'm better than that.

Like I said I'm done this argument just say what you want.. I'll let it slide.

From: Brandon
lol
Nice try Mr know it all. Was there really a point to mentioning that? Such a useless comment. The gold cannot be used in any way. Btw, I've been around since 2006 so get your facts straight before you assume and mess up again. My old account on this site was: http://villavu.com/forum/member.php?u=50176
I have like 2-3 before that.. Just don't remember the username and password and another that was transfered from srl-forums. Made this account as my permanent one when I decided to settle down and stay. All had some random names and stuff.

Most would say that it is client side because only your client sees it but the server does not. I'd "like" call it serverside because the changes are not reflected on the server and the game is a server based game. You seem to just want to argue.

Also I don't mind anyone throwing my words at me but at least have the decency to do it right. You clearly read wrong. I didn't mention changes so that's all on you. How can you be mad at me for YOU reading wrong? Please if you could just kindly point me to where I mentioned changing anything I'd be more than happy to say I was wrong. If you can't then you only have yourself to blame. If you want to prove yourself, do it elsewhere because right about now, the only thing I can see about you is that you assume and you argue even when you're the one reading wrong.

Everyone who has a brain? Aww that hurts.. I must not have one but somehow I can still read what I wrote. I won't insult you back; I'm better than that.

Like I said I'm done this argument just say what you want.. I'll let it slide.

He has only posted 4 times, EVER. I was surprised you had the patients to even discuss anything with him. Considering his lack of credibility. You made good points none the less.

Well at least they aren't porting it to flash

From: Echo_
Well at least they aren't porting it to flash

Flash is often misjudged on its abilities. apple seemed to give it a bad reputation after the ipad dropped flash support. I like java though and hope they choose to stick with it. but it dont matter what platform they switch to. Fact is they will never stop botters(most they can do is slow us down). If there's a will there's a way. Outside of the box my thinking shall stay. :stirthepot:

From: Brandon
lol
Nice try Mr know it all. .

Hey Brandon, most of us on here know You know your stuff… dont let this person get to you he/she is just a

All new runescape 3 :

Non-Members has now changed to a cmd based game without any graphics at all.

This is due to the wasting of your SOF money into making the game HTML5 based.

Members will of-course be able to acces the HTML5 version, and that at a raised monthly fee of only 500 usd.

Stay a member for over 5 years, and you get not ten but TWENTY free lamps that yield 150million bonus XP..
…
…
O right, and 200 instakill darts.



I wonder how long it would take jagex to resort to the above.

From: kottonmouth
Flash is often misjudged on its abilities. apple seemed to give it a bad reputation after the ipad dropped flash support. I like java though and hope they choose to stick with it. but it dont matter what platform they switch to. Fact is they will never stop botters(most they can do is slow us down). If there's a will there's a way. Outside of the box my thinking shall stay. :stirthepot:

I don't have a problem with Flash's performance, I just wouldn't like hacking in ActionScript :p

^lol good point.

HTML5 implies WebGL, but I really wonder if Jagex can then match the current user experience. Probably not. But if it were to be WebGL, it would be very easy for us to create bots/tools using Javascript.

From: nielsie95
HTML5 implies WebGL, but I really wonder if Jagex can then match the current user experience. Probably not. But if it were to be WebGL, it would be very easy for us to create bots/tools using Javascript.

Yea I was already messing with memory reading in my browser… and more

http://playbiolab.com/


I think it shoots like 100-1000 bullets per second, the thread my browser was running on was like 100% lol