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Hello, I'm coming here from RiD. I would love too use simba on my main account, but what some people said at RiD about simba makes me scared. I have botted 1500 hours with RiD and got 6 99's and close to 8. I don't want to loose that. Someone told at RiD simba will get you banned ect…. but I want to try it out. Thanks for the help.

I have been using Simba 15hr/day for the last three months and I didn't get banned nor have I heard of anyone getting banned.

I suppose it's safe to use Simba :p

From: jaga
Hello, I'm coming here from RiD. I would love too use simba on my main account, but what some people said at RiD about simba makes me scared. I have botted 1500 hours with RiD and got 6 99's and close to 8. I don't want to loose that. Someone told at RiD simba will get you banned ect…. but I want to try it out. Thanks for the help.

LMFAO, people say that at rid, so you stay at rid and pay for tokens or whatever to use the scripts, simba is all open-sourced so you can check it's safe yourself

also: i 24/7 using simba :D

Botting always have the risk to get you banned, whatever bot you're using doesn't matter. I have been 24/7 all my accounts that has more than 200m on them, no bans yet :p

RiD are just trying to scare you out of more money

just lol'd at OP, enjoy your stay at SRL

If RiD doesn't get you banned simba definitely wont..

Simba is as safe as rid and has free scripts.
The community here is very friendly and helpful.
Welcome :)

Yeh enjoy your time here.

If you have any questions feel free to ask me via pm or wherever :)

OT: Simba hasnt gotten me banned

hanst got me banned neither and i botted my acc to over 2,1k totals:P

got 99 strenght, agility, runecrafting with simba

Lol check the "got banned" forum, people haven't gotten banned since the nuke, and even before that very few people got bans.

I've botted 5x99s withsimba and I've never been banned. I'd trust simba with my life.

According to SRL Stats I've just over 50 days run time. That's just over 1200 hours, on one single account, my main. http://stats.villavu.com/user/208

Of course other bot sites will stir up rumors about competition; if everyone knew how safe Simba is then they'd lose their profit & userbase. We openly invite you to try out Simba for yourself and see first hand how safe it really is. You maybe check the source of everything here as everything is open-source; Simba/SMART/SRL/all scripts. No other bot can say the same, especially not RiD.

Enjoy your stay mate, I hope you enjoy Simba and our community. :)

Hi there! Enjoy your stay at the forums.
Simba is pretty safe, I haven't got banned yet so i assume it's safe.

I have max cape partly from SRL and partly from RSBuddy when it was up. You'll be safe.

None of my accounts have been banned, in the years I've used our library. Simba in itself can't get you banned as it's just the program that compiles our library ;)

I hope you enjoy what our awesome community has to offer :)

Glad to see you here; welcome!

Thanks guys.

Definitely not going to get you banned some people here have botted max accounts + some of them have 200m in certain skills. Simba/SRL will not get you banned, it is probably one of the safest bots you could ever use.

From: Hazzah
Definitely not going to get you banned some people here have botted max accounts + some of them have 200m in certain skills. Simba/SRL will not get you banned, it is probably one of the safest bots you could ever use.

This.

You have nothing to fear but fear itself :p, welcome!

Welcome to the community,

I only bot using Simba.

i have achieved.
99atk
99str
99def
99hp
99range
99mage
95mage
99cooking
99fletching
94 fletching

ulikeopensource?
Then welcome aboard, matey!

I've been botting 8hrs a day for the past month to get 99wc before this supposed "Botnuke". Also never been banned on any of my accounts. Ever.
<3 Simba

From: jaga
Hello, I'm coming here from RiD. I would love too use simba on my main account, but what some people said at RiD about simba makes me scared. I have botted 1500 hours with RiD and got 6 99's and close to 8. I don't want to loose that. Someone told at RiD simba will get you banned ect…. but I want to try it out. Thanks for the help.

This is extremely typical for every community to pull, no clients out right now will get you banned injection, reflection, color etc they are all safe. Although there is a very small chance just be smart and you will be fine.

Hey there, Welcome to Villavu\SRL!

Nothing to worry about getting banned with Simba\SRL. I personally have botted just over 60 days on my main account and still, no warning, no ban, no rollback, Nothing.
(~Justin has committed a total time of 60 days, 5:15:00 in 16357 commits.)

[J]ustin.

I honestly don't even remember the last time I heard about someone getting banned using Simba/SRL…

It helps that it seems as though Jagex doesn't care as much as they used to, but the main reason is that we don't tamper with the client, we use random patterns, and we try to act like humans when our scripts are running.

Chances of getting banned are…pretty much zero.

I have gotten 99 Att, Str, Deff, Range, Mage x 2, Cook, Fletch, Fm, 90 prayer, 200m+, never been banned using simba.

The one time I got banned I was doing thieving, stupidly with a different bot client.

Now most of the people who tell other users that "Simba will get you banned" are mostly regular users, most of which don't have much knowledge about different bots or how the detection system works.

While bans are possible with Simba (Basically if you're reported too many times and get unlucky and have your account investigated by a J Mod, then you'd have to worry), they are lower than any injection bots out there.

People similar to myself (Being someone who has botted over 3150 hours, 3000 of which was on my main, earning 12 99's without a macro ban(that's just RiD. I've botted another ~2500-3000 hours with injection/reflection, with numerous bans) on RiD share the clingyness to their bots because they have used it enough to feel confident with its level of safety and ban rate (which is literally nonexistant since before the last Bot Nuke, even out of suicide botters and users whom were reported, even by player mods).

I personally know of a minimum of 6 bans than happened using privately written Simba scripts (Made by Smurg and someone else I can't remember). 5 of which were on accounts doing under 8 hours a day. All of these bans have happened within the last few months. When I asked for explaination from YoHoJo, he told me that he had to have been reported, and that's why he was banned. On all 5 accounts?? Even so, if a bot is truly undetectable and safe from ban, then getting reported shouldn't matter whatsoever.

Idk, that's just my 2 cents, take it for what you want.

From: Trent!
Now most of the people who tell other users that "Simba will get you banned" are mostly regular users, most of which don't have much knowledge about different bots or how the detection system works.

While bans are possible with Simba (Basically if you're reported too many times and get unlucky and have your account investigated by a J Mod, then you'd have to worry), they are lower than any injection bots out there.

People similar to myself (Being someone who has botted over 3150 hours, 3000 of which was on my main, earning 12 99's without a macro ban(that's just RiD. I've botted another ~2500-3000 hours with injection/reflection, with numerous bans) on RiD share the clingyness to their bots because they have used it enough to feel confident with its level of safety and ban rate (which is literally nonexistant since before the last Bot Nuke, even out of suicide botters and users whom were reported, even by player mods).

I personally know of a minimum of 6 bans than happened using privately written Simba scripts (Made by Smurg and someone else I can't remember). 5 of which were on accounts doing under 8 hours a day. All of these bans have happened within the last few months. When I asked for explaination from YoHoJo, he told me that he had to have been reported, and that's why he was banned. On all 5 accounts?? Even so, if a bot is truly undetectable and safe from ban, then getting reported shouldn't matter whatsoever.

Idk, that's just my 2 cents, take it for what you want.

Why is it people think privately written scripts makes them harder to detect? If the script is using bad methods, eg. Coord clicking, its still more likely to get you banned than a well written public script.

Sometimes private scripts are actually worse, because people assume since masses of people aren't using it, they can skimp on the anti-ban and such, which is the opposite of true.

I've been botting on two different accounts pretty much all day for the past 3+ months and nothing. Most of it is the quality of the script, I know for a fact that while using MSI's high-alcher one of my accounts was reported by about 4 people because I saw it happen. To date no ban has happened on that account, not even a rollback or infraction, etc.

It all depends on the script, it doesn't matter what client you use.

As a side note, and its nothing against you Trent!, but your listing of hours botted just makes you come across as an arrogant RiD user who likes to boast about the total time they've spent auoting. We don't really care about total hours here, just about writing good scripts and learning new techniques. If you really want to compare hours go look at the SRL stats page… Single accounts have quite a bit of time, but very few people mention it because they don't pay for botting by the hour, so there is no need to keep track.

Also, you mention 5 accounts that you know got banned, but don't say whether or not they were different people who owned them. If it was one person, chances are they were running an army. If even one got reported, Jagex could flag the IP, monitor the other accounts for similar tasks, and bam. Ban hammer all of them. Bans are possible with everything, including RiD, Simba, powerbot, etc. It doesn't matter.

/rant.

From: Silent SPY
Why is it people think privately written scripts makes them harder to detect? If the script is using bad methods, eg. Coord clicking, its still more likely to get you banned than a well written public script.

Sometimes private scripts are actually worse, because people assume since masses of people aren't using it, they can skimp on the anti-ban and such, which is the opposite of true.

Well, when I asked YoHoJo, he did say that both of the scripters for those scripters were very talented. I'd think that a talented scripter would put a decent amount of antiban into a script, especially if they are being paid for it.

I've been botting on two different accounts pretty much all day for the past 3+ months and nothing. Most of it is the quality of the script, I know for a fact that while using MSI's high-alcher one of my accounts was reported by about 4 people because I saw it happen. To date no ban has happened on that account, not even a rollback or infraction, etc.

I'm not sure if I said it in this post, but I have in the past: Bans do not happen immediately, nor do they happen shortly after being reported. It can take weeks to months for reports to be processed and bans to be handed out. Also, like I've said elsewhere, there's a difference between being reported… and being reported and investigated. Reports just activate most of the simpler macro detection methods. If the account for some reason sets off some flags, your chances of getting manually investigated by a J Mod increases. Lately Jagex has been pretty strange and haven't been doing as many manual investigations. It seems like they are just expecting the automated system to do it. This doesn't mean that Jagex never checks, so I wouldn't take that as a greenlight to go botting like crazy.

I used to run a Sorc garden bot farm right after free trade came out, and was able to run over 8 accounts 20+ hours a day (sometimes even 50+ hour proggies) without even so much as a temp ban or rollback. It wasn't until I'd had the operation going for 5-6 months before Jagex started to pick off my accounts one by one. I even watched some of my accounts get banned right in front of my eyes. I still have about half of the bot army I had after I stopped farming due to the difficulty of replacing the accounts.

As a side note, and its nothing against you Trent!, but your listing of hours botted just makes you come across as an arrogant RiD user who likes to boast about the total time they've spent auoting. We don't really care about total hours here, just about writing good scripts and learning new techniques. If you really want to compare hours go look at the SRL stats page… Single accounts have quite a bit of time, but very few people mention it because they don't pay for botting by the hour, so there is no need to keep track.

/sigh The only reason I even mentioned my botted time was because Flight did the same thing. You can't really bash me for doing the exact same thing that one of your highly talented scripters did in the same thread /logic

Also, I didn't just mention my hours used with RiD, I mentioned my hours from other bots too, and the main purpose of doing so was the demonstrate that I have experience with a wide variety of bots, and that I have the experience with different bots, and macro bans in order to make a credible statement on the OP. If you took it as "boasting" or "arrogance" then you misinterpreted and should reexamine your view.

Also, I have glanced at the trackers in the past, many of those names are obvious that it's a Chinese goldfarmer who owns the account, and it's most likely that they are running many accounts at once. I honestly don't care that much if someone has botted 1000 hours if those were split between 10-20 accounts, because that's not really that impressive in my eyes. I get mostly impressed by massive amounts of bot time clocked on single accounts, because after all, botting is against the rules, and I find it impressive to be able to dodge Jagex's bullet for massive amounts of botting time on that single accont.

Also, you mention 5 accounts that you know got banned, but don't say whether or not they were different people who owned them. If it was one person, chances are they were running an army. If even one got reported, Jagex could flag the IP, monitor the other accounts for similar tasks, and bam. Ban hammer all of them. Bans are possible with everything, including RiD, Simba, powerbot, etc. It doesn't matter.

/rant.

It was a single person who owned the accounts, and he was a goldfarmer. If what you are saying is true, then why would they not ban every single account doing the same thing? He had 8 accounts doing the same thing, and 5 of them were banned. Why not all 8? Also, I've had many many bans on the same IP as my main, which I bot with RiD while I ran the farms, and my main was never touched, despite sharing the IP of many goldfarming accounts.

And at your last sentence, sure, there have been bans with RiD since it reached its current quality in August of 2008. However, all 37 of these bans happened to users who were proven to have broken the Guidelines that are posted on their site. The Guidelines are basically written to guide you to bot the same way a human would play. It still stands to this day that there hasn't been a single ban of any RiD user following the Guidelines, in over 4 years. There have been times in the past where a RiD user has tried to claim that they got banned using RiD, and RiD was able to gather enough information that proved that all of the accounts that they ever used RiD on were still unbanned. He even got so pissed at someone who was lying about it that he actually posted 3 of their RS usernames on the forums, and almost posted his IP because the kid was still acting like a dick. We have ways to ween out fakers and liars, and we take the real incidences very seriously.

But tbh, 37 bans in 4 years with thousands of botters, over 100,000 registered members in 2 years, and with most of our users being suicide botters or Guideline breakers (there are icons next to their name on their posts that indicate who these users are) that's not bad at all, and extremely low imo.

Personally, I don't like having to search through a massive pile of usermade scripts, not knowing if they are good enough or not to pass off as human should I be reported and/or investigated. It's hard to pick out the good from the bad, and I don't have the programming knowledge to check the code to determine for myself.

Welcome is all i got to say..

Enjoy your stay.. RiD is just money hungry lol They would say anything to keep their money rolling in(for customers not to leave).. seriously how pathetic could you really be to be charging per hour for botting :P

Stick to Simba, a huge variety of free scripts & actually you could learn to make scripts as well.

From: blinkblink
Enjoy your stay.. RiD is just money hungry lol They would say anything to keep their money rolling in(for customers not to leave).. seriously how pathetic could you really be to be charging per hour for botting :P

Stick to Simba, a huge variety of free scripts & actually you could learn to make scripts as well.

You do realize that it's not RiD who's saying anything to keep the customers around? The community and users are the ones who say the kind of shit that OP mentioned. RiD himself likes to lurk more than anything, and only seldomly pops in to make a joke or two. He especially doesn't like to publicly compare between bots, and I've even seen him tell his mods to remove or edit lines in certain posts they are preparing to make them "more friendly towards other bot sites."

Also, the only reason why it charges for credits instead of buying it once and that's it, is because RiD has to pay hundreds of dollars a month to support the servers that host all the code and make constant connections between the thousands of members who use RiD. Basically, the bot client acts as the arms, hands, mouth, and eyes of the bot, and the servers (costing hundreds a month) act as the brain. The "eyes" of the client views the screen, sends back specific information back to the "brain" and the server interprets the information, and then sends back commands to the arms/hands/mouth of the bot to complete an action. Basically, every single time your RiD bot moves the mouse, clicks, talks, etc, the bot has to communicate with the server for its instructions to complete said action. This method is called "Blackbox Security," which is used to keep all of the source code of the bot stored safely on the servers so that nobody, not even Jagex, can analyze the code to understand how the bot works enough to try to manually develop detection systems against it. This also gives RiD the ability to add something called "Unique Styles" meaning that every single user's bot acts completely different.

Here's the quote on the site to explain in more detail:

"The first time someone uses any RiD bot, we create random style seeds (which are long 10-14 digit numbers, so they are different for each person) and store them in our database. In addition to these styles, we also create and store around 10 randomly generated attributes representing factors like reaction speed and patience, etc which also make a difference to your training. The style seeds however make a more significant difference. We split training methods into different stages… instead of coding one way to perform each stage like normal bots, we code many ways of performing each stage then piece them together to produce a unique training style.

This matches human behaviour, from study human players have been found to settle on a unique training style and stick with it.
We use style seeds to control things from your favorite bone pile to use in the MTA Graveyard, to the preferred part of an object you like click on (the top, near the bottom, no preference etc), preferred dropping style, the way you time and coordinate your clicks/movements, favorite distraction when concentration levels drop, and infact every part of your training session that involves a decision is influenced by your style seed. "

I've seen a ton of people say that Simba does the same thing… but it's not just like clicking randomly instead of the same spot, or "randomizing" different variables. It's making each user's bot have a custom mouse movement algorithm for each different kind of action their bot is performing. It's making it so that even if you had 1000 accounts using the same RiD bot, and Jagex were to look at every single one for days, even weeks, they wouldn't be able to see enough similarities between the 1000 accounts to conclude that they are all using the same bot.

Again, all of what I just explained is the reason why RiD spends hundreds a month for servers, because it's necessary to have the bots work in the way they do, and to keep the code safe from Jagex's hands. And this also means that if RiD wants to keep his customers, he has to continually meet their expectations and provide bot updates. There are many premium bot sites where people pay for a script, and then it's either poorly managed and has bugs, or doesn't work at all, and the scripter still profits while all of his users are fucked over. I've even seen scripters release a script, take all these payments, and then move onto other projects and discontinue or give up on the old project, and all those paying customers are fucked.


Oh, and it also makes it so that the bots are impossible to crack and steal. That's just a fun bonus I guess.

From: Trent!
snipped for post's length sake.

But tbh, 37 bans in 4 years with thousands of botters, over 100,000 registered members in 2 years, and with most of our users being suicide botters or Guideline breakers (there are icons next to their name on their posts that indicate who these users are) that's not bad at all, and extremely low imo.

Personally, I don't like having to search through a massive pile of usermade scripts, not knowing if they are good enough or not to pass off as human should I be reported and/or investigated. It's hard to pick out the good from the bad, and I don't have the programming knowledge to check the code to determine for myself.

You would think they would put effort into anti-ban this is true, though I'm surprised we haven't seen (correct me if I'm wrong?) any posts in our banned section of such bans going on.

I'm aware bans don't happen immediately :) I realize I made my comment about my character seem like it had all been recently, but MSI was used a long time ago.. I'm sure that shows somewhere on my stats account but I'm too lazy to look.

I do admit I misinterpreted my first reading with your botting hours, that's my bad. Like I said, nothing against you.

I hadn't seen Flight's post actually so, that's also my fault for not reading the entire thread, but I didn't say that no-one does either, I said most.

As for the tracker, yes I realize most of the top ones are probably used by gold farmers, but some individual ones (like the ones mentioned in this thread earlier (is that the post you are referring to with Flight talking about hours?)) give good examples of single accounts.

As for why not all 8, I really don't know for a fact that they do that, it is just a theory, and perhaps all 5 really did get reported because I can't think of another connecting pattern (except for bad scripting which you don't believe to be the case).

That amount of bans isn't bad at all, but to be honest I find the concept of "guidelines" for something that breaks the rules to be rather ironic. I'm also curious as to what these guidelines are, since I've seen posts about them several times, but never actually read them myself, I may have to look into that.

I also wasn't saying RiD gets just as many bans as everyone else, merely saying that it is possible, and no script/bot is immune from that.

As for digging through scripts… That one I'm going to not really give to you. There are plenty of scripts with mountains of feedback to see if they work properly or not. I don't know how you could honestly just run a script on any account without doing a little research. I also believe that a little looking is well worth it in order to get stuff for, well, free. Not to mention if you do know how to code you can customize anything on the site to fit your needs.

You really don't have to do much digging either, usually the best/most popular scripts are right at the top of their prospective forum because they are used more, and therefore get more feedback.

Yay! another normal thread turned into a Simba Vs RiD thread!

It's getting old….

From: [J]ustin
Yay! another normal thread turned into a Simba Vs RiD thread!

It's getting old….

Good call, I'm dropping it.

@OP Welcome to SRL. :)

From: Silent SPY
That amount of bans isn't bad at all, but to be honest I find the concept of "guidelines" for something that breaks the rules to be rather ironic. I'm also curious as to what these guidelines are, since I've seen posts about them several times, but never actually read them myself, I may have to look into that.

Here's their Guidelines: http://www.robotzindisguise.com/Guidelines.htm

Essentially, the theory goes that there's certain things that can be indisputable proof that you are botting. There's user controlled things (botting inhuman amounts of time for inhuman lengths of time, for example), HTTP referrer, giving too much info about your account away, admitting to botting or leaving a trail/evidence that your account has had macro software used on it, having a history of macro offenses (or botting on a "dirty" IP that has had past bans for macro use), and then there are nonuser controlled reasons for being banned. The nonuser controlled reason would be using software that is detectable should you be investigated by Jagex or should you get reported and then investigated.

Basically, if you follow ALL of those Guidelines with a specific bot, and you STILL get banned, then that bot is the reason for the ban, and it cannot be considered undetectable.

In short, the theory goes that with RiD, everything that could lead to you getting banned is user-controlled, and that if you follow those Guidelines, your account would be theoretically impossible to be caught for botting. To put it in RiD's words: "The consensus is RiD is undetectable at a theoretical level, this is backed up by a perfect record against the detection system lasting the entire duration of our latest generation of software, which has been in operation since August 2008."

Like he said, following the Guidelines, it is theoretically banproof, and there hasn't been anything that has disproven the theory in the past 4 years. The theory continues that if you continually and excessively break the Guidelines, then you are making yourself more vulnerable and open to a ban. Even then, statistically, breaking Guidelines still has an extremely low ban rate.

I also wasn't saying RiD gets just as many bans as everyone else, merely saying that it is possible, and no script/bot is immune from that.

Yeah, like I stated all above, there are a lot of user-controlled reasons for bans, and then there's bot-controlled reasons for bans. At a theoretical level, RiD only leads to a ban from user-controlled reasons (e.g. heavily breaking Guidelines). At a theoretical level RiD claims to be immune from bans… provided the user follows the Guidelines. Like I said, "theoretical," but at the same time, there hasn't been anything that has suggested the theory is wrong in the past 4 years.

As for digging through scripts… That one I'm going to not really give to you. There are plenty of scripts with mountains of feedback to see if they work properly or not. I don't know how you could honestly just run a script on any account without doing a little research. I also believe that a little looking is well worth it in order to get stuff for, well, free. Not to mention if you do know how to code you can customize anything on the site to fit your needs.

You really don't have to do much digging either, usually the best/most popular scripts are right at the top of their prospective forum because they are used more, and therefore get more feedback.

I don't mean like actually struggling to find good functioning scripts when I say digging, I mean looking through the available scripts, and being able to determine how detectable it is, how likely the chance of ban is if I were to get reported or investigated. To make a comparison to Powerbot, which we all know is known for their bans, hence the nickname "Powerban," I can go there, in their respective bot sections, and see scripts that have hundreds of replies, and but even though it means it's the most popular, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the safest. With a bot, just because a few, even a bunch of people get 99 with a script, doesn't mean that it's safe. Hell, I've gotten over 85 farming on a Sorc garden account before. at 2.5k exp an hour, that's over 1300 hours botted. Just because I accomplished that on one account, does that make the script safe enough to risk on a main? Hell nah, especially not after I had over 6 accounts banned right in front of my eyes while using the same script. My point being, it's hard to be able to look at a random script on a bot site and know what is being done to stay under the radar, and know exactly how safe it is.


EDIT: Again, I'm not trying to bash Simba. You'll see me recommend it to anyone over any injection bot, and to anyone looking for a free bot with a low ban rate. Again, I'm not saying that Simba will for sure get you banned, the most I'm saying is that there's a possibility, and that it does happen sometimes, even if it's very seldom.

From: Trent!

/sigh The only reason I even mentioned my botted time was because Flight did the same thing. You can't really bash me for doing the exact same thing that one of your highly talented scripters did in the same thread /logic

Let me stop you there quick. Believe it or not, this is the forum for SRL. Posting one's rankings from SRL Stats is actually encouraged here. Especially in the sense that Jaga had been told, on RiD, that Simba is infact unsafe. There's is actually nothing wrong, at all, with me posting my rankings here as evidence.

Whether or not your reason for posting running time figures is for a just cause, don't try to justify your reasoning based on mine; my post was in the right place, at the right time, for the right cause.

From: Flight
Let me stop you there quick. Believe it or not, this is the forum for SRL. Posting one's rankings from SRL Stats is actually encouraged here. Especially in the sense that Jaga had been told, on RiD, that Simba is infact unsafe. There's is actually nothing wrong, at all, with me posting my rankings here as evidence.

Whether or not your reason for posting running time figures is for a just cause, don't try to justify your reasoning based on mine; my post was in the right place, at the right time, for the right cause.

I never said there was anything wrong at all with your post? Idk why you're getting your panties in a bunch…

Also, Jaga being told what he was told was was most likely done by other RiD members who most likely don't have the experience with other bots to make any kind of judgement.

My only reason for posting my botted time was to emphasize that I have enough experience with a variety of bots, and being banned, to have a credible point. I have 50 posts, and I'm not known that well here, so I have to present a little bit of what I've accomplished (on any bot) in order to establish a sense of credibility. I'm not sure why you're getting all madbro about what I said about you when I never even bashed you or your posts. (Quite the opposite actually, I even called you a very talented scripter)

From: [J]ustin
Yay! another normal thread turned into a Simba Vs RiD thread!

It's getting old….

Maybe Trent missed my post?!?!?!

From: [J]ustin
Maybe Trent missed my post?!?!?!

I was still writing my wall of text when that was posted. I didn't see it until after I posted.

Anyway though, you asked for the Guidelines, and they're there to look at if you want. It's an interesting bit of information no matter what bot site you're using.

Okay lets make simba's guidelines that are "you shall only bot up to 2 minutes a day" does that mean simba in un-ban able? :O

I have never gotten a ban from Scar/Simba/SRL and I have been here since 2008.

From: Trent!
I was still writing my wall of text when that was posted. I didn't see it until after I posted.

Anyway though, you asked for the Guidelines, and they're there to look at if you want. It's an interesting bit of information no matter what bot site you're using.

Trent always hass a good argument. Makes me wanna stay with RiD :thumbsup

jagex doesnt ban nowadays, they just want their $$

From: wister1
jagex doesnt ban nowadays, they just want their $$

This is actually incredibly true. As far as ban rates go, they are incredibly low and those that do get banned are 99.95% of the time either gold-farming (jagex is hung up about this, too many legits complaining about goldfarmers) or suicide-botting f2p accounts. I honestly cannot think of a recent time where a p2p account was banned for non-goldfarming botting (even 24/7).

@OP Welcome to SRL, Hope you enjoy it here ;)

~Caotom

Sigh, this is getting old…

From: Trent!
Now most of the people who tell other users that "Simba will get you banned" are mostly regular users, most of which don't have much knowledge about different bots or how the detection system works.

That is true, yet, every other client out there says the same thing despite our record. It gets annoying.

From: Trent!
While bans are possible with Simba (Basically if you're reported too many times and get unlucky and have your account investigated by a J Mod, then you'd have to worry), they are lower than any injection bots out there.

Again, true. We can agree on this.

From: Trent!
People similar to myself (Being someone who has botted over 3150 hours, 3000 of which was on my main, earning 12 99's without a macro ban(that's just RiD. I've botted another ~2500-3000 hours with injection/reflection, with numerous bans) on RiD share the clingyness to their bots because they have used it enough to feel confident with its level of safety and ban rate (which is literally nonexistant since before the last Bot Nuke, even out of suicide botters and users whom were reported, even by player mods).

The same goes for Simba, you can't deny that. Many people have auto'ed way more than that, on a few accounts. People like Simba because it's safe and makes them feel safe. People like other clients because since they have to pay for them, it must mean they're safe.

Take a look here http://stats.villavu.com/user/79 He is ranked #8 in stats. He isn't a goldfarmer, and only uses a few accounts. He has 983441 minutes accounted for, which is 16390.7 hours. I'm not bashing you, just pointing out that you're not alone in the "high scores" of autoing.

From: Trent!
I personally know of a minimum of 6 bans than happened using privately written Simba scripts (Made by Smurg and someone else I can't remember). 5 of which were on accounts doing under 8 hours a day. All of these bans have happened within the last few months. When I asked for explaination from YoHoJo, he told me that he had to have been reported, and that's why he was banned. On all 5 accounts?? Even so, if a bot is truly undetectable and safe from ban, then getting reported shouldn't matter whatsoever.

Idk, that's just my 2 cents, take it for what you want.

From: Trent!
Well, when I asked YoHoJo, he did say that both of the scripters for those scripters were very talented. I'd think that a talented scripter would put a decent amount of antiban into a script, especially if they are being paid for it.

Oh, yes, I remember your talk with YoHoJo. Just because it's a private script doesn't make it superior to others. I have many, many private scripts on my computer from very well respected scripters here, and some of them cut corners, use basic functions, and don't go in depth that some public scripts do.

Hell, I'll just leave this here:

From: Kyle Undefined
You can't quantify someone getting banned with a goldfarming account with mains/stakers/etc accounts getting banned. It's totally different.

Trents: My gold supplier used Mat's script and got banned
Trents: Same guy who got banned 5 times from the unf pot bot lol

Well that's what he gets for goldfarming, and I honestly don't feel sorry for him. If he were to auto smart and correctly, it wouldn't have happened.

Trents: He said SRL fucked up a lot of randoms
YoHoJo: If it does, it logs out
Trents: Idk, he just said it failed them

He needs to learn how to setup SRL and his RS settings correctly. All of the working randoms that we have work perfectly for me, every time.

Trents: Is that Optimus could include a method for tracking mouse movements and mouse positions at all times, or something along those lines
Trents: Which would just mean you'd just have to improve the quality of the Mouse movement algorithms

Do you know how much data that will take? The amount would be huge, and would actually hurt the system. Imagine, storing all of that data in real time while thousands of players are online. I hightly doubt that.

Our algorithms are fine, and will only get better. If you look at our source, you'll see that we move pretty human like. We don't just move from point a to b, we "blow" the mouse from point a to b. Take a look at the algorithm, it's pretty awesome.

Also, we have new functions that greatly change the mouse movements. Flight is one of the leaders in that, his functions are awesome.

Trents: RiD doesn't really have to worry about that kind of update, if it does end up being true
Trents: 3 different mouse options + a billion possible unique playing styles for each bot

Any client will have to worry about it if it's true, and don't try to deny it. How do you know there is a "billion possible unique" styles for each bot? Have you seen the source? Have you seen how it works? Or are you just repeating one of the headlines used to draw people in? That statement is used in every ad for RiD I've seen. Any video about it, any post about it, even the RiD site promotes it. So until I see it with my own eyes, I'm calling that bluff.

Trents: We've had J Mods come up to some of our top botters
Trents: and talk to them, asking if they were botting, etc
Trents: while they were botting, of course
Trents: nothing ever happened to them, ban wise
Trents: Did you ever read about how the Unique Styles work?
Trents: http://www.robotzindisguise.com/forum/showthread.php?707-Unique-Styles
Trents: Shows why, even if you get 1000 of RiD bots running at the same time, the movements are different and have different patterns and habits compared to the rest of the users running the same bot

I've autoed next to many J Mods and P Mods with my main. Still nothing has happened to it. What exactly is your point? None of the accounts I've owned has ever been banned for autoing, using nothing but SCAR and Simba, for years.

Also, your link doesn't really prove much. Take this snip for example:

instead of coding one way to perform each stage like normal bots, we code many ways of performing each stage then piece them together to produce a unique training style.

So he has coded over a billion ways to piece each stage together? Or is he just randomly piecing stages together? Either way, he has to hard code something, and it WILL get repeated and over used.

Trents: If you get reported, they look at mouse movements
Trents: And if Optimus includes a feature to constantly track the mouse, that could be very changing for the botting community
Trents: Meaning they are focusing on it like never before
YoHoJo: Doubt it man, I hardly doubt they can catch us based on mousemovements…
Trents: They do lol
Trents: Trust me lol
YoHoJo: No good bot uses mouse movements stupid enough to contain any noticeable patterns
Trents: I know people very very close to the ICU @ Jagex
Trents: They do use mouse movements
YoHoJo: There is so much randmness build into mouse movements
Trents: and not just like, patterns from same movement
YoHoJo: They can't find a pattern and detect
Trents: but like, they look at the way the mouse moves
Trents: and they can see if it's 'too perfect'
YoHoJo: We got funcs that mess up, miss objects, move back to them, etc
Trents: yeah, I'm not just talking about like aiming and stuff
Trents: but like, the actual line of the path
Trents: imagine graphing the exactly movement of the mouse from one point to another
YoHoJo: I said earlier, line has so much randomness build in, what are they going to see
Trents: the exact**
YoHoJo: They will not be able to differenciate a bot's mouose movments from a huamans, if they are looking at any decenty made bot
Trents: They do it all the time lol
Trents: Part of the detection system is based on movements
Trents: Lemme find this app
Trents: basically draws on a white thing with however you move your mouse
YoHoJo: yah you can do w/ paint too :p
Trents: I mean like playing RS
Trents: Humans move the mouse in such a chaotic, unpredictable way
Trents: it's not like a direct path

Who says they look at mouse movements? Your "sources"? I've been reported many times, and haven't been banned or warned.

I know for a fact they don't focus on mouse movements, want to know how? I made a test account, level 3. I wrote a script to move between two points, and click on exact pixels. I ran it over night in a populated world. First hour or so I watched it, and people were saying "Ohhh a botter, reported!". I was never banned nor warned, and I can still login to that account today.

You're right, Simba doesn't use a direct path between the points. There is a start and end node, and many, randomly generated nodes between them that get produced. The mouse line is then calculated with speed, randomness, and splines to create the human movement.

All you have to do is take a look at our source, like I stated before.

Trents: Idk, I've never seen any movements from any Simba bots that impressed me
YoHoJo: They don't need to impress you, they just need to not get you banned, and they dont.
Trents: Well, a lot of that is luck
Trents: You've even said, when my friend had his bans, that he must have been reported
YoHoJo: http://puu.sh/I7fG this much luck?

YoHoJo is right, they're not designed to impress your panties off. They are designed to work, and work well. Which they have been, for OVER seven years.

The stats that YoHoJo posted is only a small percentage, iirc, we did a stats reset awhile ago. Imagine the numbers if we hadn't of done that, far greater than what they are now.

Trents: You'll notice that a lot of those have usernames that obviously point at goldfarming
Trents: meaning multiple accounts at once
Trents: meaning your time builds up a lot faster
YoHoJo: Um so? Multiple accounts still means more bots runnig?
Trents: lol, you don't get it
Trents: I used to run a bot farm
Trents: So I get it
Trents: You can run 100 accounts goldfarming
Trents: I did it with 12
Trents: I ran the bot combined to over 1500 hours
Trents: Only about half or so of my accounts were banned
Trents: Just because the other half didn't get banned, doesn't mean that the script was undetectable
Trents: Just means that I got lucky
Trents: Jagex doesn't ban right away, they wait until they gather at least 80% evidence
Trents: it's more impressive to bot massive amounts on a single account, than little amounts spread across tons of bots

And RiD doesn't have goldfarming users? I think you're trying to grasp at any straw you can to try and prove a point that you can't.

So you're saying that the only reason why the stats are so high is because they're running so many accounts? If you knew anything about goldfarming, you'd know they run many accounts all at once. They will do anything to maximize their return, and if running 100 accounts 24/7 is the answer, they will do it.

You talk about being lucky as if it only pertains to Simba scripts, when it very much pertains to RiD and any client out there. So you're saying that you are just lucky with your main while using RiD and not getting banned then, since you can't really prove it's RiD that's keeping you from not getting banned, just luck. Same goes to anyone who autos, no matter what the client is. Not getting banned is just luck, and you just proved it.

Trents: Lilcmp1, who also bots with simba for goldfarming last I checked, has used RiD for over 600,000 minutes, only on 3-4 accounts
Trents: That's just one user

600K minutes? Aww that's cute. I wish you could pull up stats with larger numbers, like you know, 32 MILLION MINUTES of use. Oh, that would be Narcles script, which is the #1 goldfarmed script here. http://stats.villavu.com/script/18 And that has MANY users, with MANY accounts, GOLDFARMING on a very POPULAR and WIDELY used script. Your puny stats mean nothing.

Trents: I'm not saying that people aren't dissatisfied with Simba
Trents: I'd definitely use Simba over any injection bot
YoHoJo: You're saying RiD is better, like you alawys do, but there is no way to qunaitfy it.
Trents: I just would never trust my main on it
Trents: Simba has had X bans since bot nuke, I know it's a minimum of 6, cause I know the guy, so there has to be more

I trust every account that I own with Simba, and I have, for many years. That includes SCAR too. So because you know of 6 accounts being banned, from a goldfarmer, that MUST mean there are more out there right? Come on dude, you're still grasping for straws.

Trents: There's been 37 bans with RiD since 2008

37 bans, that you know of. How many people get banned without reporting it? Probably a lot. Same applies here, but RiD isn't some godly program that you try to talk it to be. It's a very well written program, but still succumbs to everything any other client does.

Trents: We had about 9-10 or so bans right before Bot nuke
Trents: J Mod sweeps against mining bots, RiD got caught in the crossfire
Trents: All of them were botting 10-20+ hours a day tho

So is 10-20+ hours a day the magic number to get banned with while using RiD? That's strange, because there are many, many, many (and so forth) people who use Simba scripts the same length of time if not longer and are never banned.

Back when Harry had his Fight Cave script, I autoed it for two whole weeks without stopping on my main. I was on vacation, when I got back it had stopped, but only because of a stupid Windows update. If you know anything about Fight Caves, Harry's script is the reason why Jagex took action there. So many people were abusing that script and that's why it's one of the highest spots that can result in a ban.

tl;dr I'm not dissing RiD in particular, I'm dissing you. I can't stand people who go around talking as if one thing is "so much better" than something else when they're pretty much equal. I like RiD, I've never used it, but the guy has done some great work for being by himself. It's people like you who I don't like.

From: Trent!
I'm not sure if I said it in this post, but I have in the past: Bans do not happen immediately, nor do they happen shortly after being reported. It can take weeks to months for reports to be processed and bans to be handed out. Also, like I've said elsewhere, there's a difference between being reported… and being reported and investigated. Reports just activate most of the simpler macro detection methods. If the account for some reason sets off some flags, your chances of getting manually investigated by a J Mod increases. Lately Jagex has been pretty strange and haven't been doing as many manual investigations. It seems like they are just expecting the automated system to do it. This doesn't mean that Jagex never checks, so I wouldn't take that as a greenlight to go botting like crazy.

The reason they're not taking action is because they would have to agree that autoers are back on a huge scale. That would mean, more legits leaving. Also, it would squash their income, by banning the autoers that pay for P2P.

From: Trent!
I used to run a Sorc garden bot farm right after free trade came out, and was able to run over 8 accounts 20+ hours a day (sometimes even 50+ hour proggies) without even so much as a temp ban or rollback. It wasn't until I'd had the operation going for 5-6 months before Jagex started to pick off my accounts one by one. I even watched some of my accounts get banned right in front of my eyes. I still have about half of the bot army I had after I stopped farming due to the difficulty of replacing the accounts.

You haven't been here long enough to know, but 50+ hour proggy is nothing. munk and tarajunky had chicken killers that had 200+ hour proggies. I mean, the highest one is 350+ hours, on a chicken killer! I've seen higher number ones as well, but I can't remember where they were. iirc, none of the accounts were banned or rolled back.

From: Trent!
Also, I didn't just mention my hours used with RiD, I mentioned my hours from other bots too, and the main purpose of doing so was the demonstrate that I have experience with a wide variety of bots, and that I have the experience with different bots, and macro bans in order to make a credible statement on the OP. If you took it as "boasting" or "arrogance" then you misinterpreted and should reexamine your view.

Wide variety? You've used color and Injection. That's it, how is that a wide variety?

Thing is, your attitude is "boasting" and "arrogant". Because you've done the same thing in the past, whenever RiD is mentioned, you JUMP on the opportunity to reply.

From: Trent!
Also, I have glanced at the trackers in the past, many of those names are obvious that it's a Chinese goldfarmer who owns the account, and it's most likely that they are running many accounts at once. I honestly don't care that much if someone has botted 1000 hours if those were split between 10-20 accounts, because that's not really that impressive in my eyes. I get mostly impressed by massive amounts of bot time clocked on single accounts, because after all, botting is against the rules, and I find it impressive to be able to dodge Jagex's bullet for massive amounts of botting time on that single accont.

1000 hours for a goldfarmer is a snack for them. I've countered this above, with Harry as an example.

From: Trent!
It was a single person who owned the accounts, and he was a goldfarmer. If what you are saying is true, then why would they not ban every single account doing the same thing? He had 8 accounts doing the same thing, and 5 of them were banned. Why not all 8? Also, I've had many many bans on the same IP as my main, which I bot with RiD while I ran the farms, and my main was never touched, despite sharing the IP of many goldfarming accounts.

No one can explain why Jagex does what it does, otherwise we would be able to work around everything and never get caught. Besides, I thought you had sources, can't they tell you anything?

From: Trent!
And at your last sentence, sure, there have been bans with RiD since it reached its current quality in August of 2008. However, all 37 of these bans happened to users who were proven to have broken the Guidelines that are posted on their site. The Guidelines are basically written to guide you to bot the same way a human would play. It still stands to this day that there hasn't been a single ban of any RiD user following the Guidelines, in over 4 years. There have been times in the past where a RiD user has tried to claim that they got banned using RiD, and RiD was able to gather enough information that proved that all of the accounts that they ever used RiD on were still unbanned. He even got so pissed at someone who was lying about it that he actually posted 3 of their RS usernames on the forums, and almost posted his IP because the kid was still acting like a dick. We have ways to ween out fakers and liars, and we take the real incidences very seriously.

But tbh, 37 bans in 4 years with thousands of botters, over 100,000 registered members in 2 years, and with most of our users being suicide botters or Guideline breakers (there are icons next to their name on their posts that indicate who these users are) that's not bad at all, and extremely low imo.

Almost everyone who joins this community breaks those guidelines, how is that even related? I know 25 people who are suiciding right now, and have been for months.

Also, you can't say that only 37 RiD user broke the guidelines, and now they're banned. I bet you there are A LOT more than that, doing exactly opposite of what the guidelines say to do. I also bet that there are many users who have gotten banned and haven't reported it. Same goes for every client out there.

From: Trent!
Personally, I don't like having to search through a massive pile of usermade scripts, not knowing if they are good enough or not to pass off as human should I be reported and/or investigated. It's hard to pick out the good from the bad, and I don't have the programming knowledge to check the code to determine for myself.

Well then, you're just a lazy leecher, like most people who come to this site. If you can't take the time to do some basic research (All it requires is reading), then you deserve whatever happens to your account. It's not hard to pick a good script out. Most first time scripts aren't going to be that great, it's just common sense.

From: Trent!
Here's the quote on the site to explain in more detail:

"The first time someone uses any RiD bot, we create random style seeds (which are long 10-14 digit numbers, so they are different for each person) and store them in our database. In addition to these styles, we also create and store around 10 randomly generated attributes representing factors like reaction speed and patience, etc which also make a difference to your training. The style seeds however make a more significant difference. We split training methods into different stages… instead of coding one way to perform each stage like normal bots, we code many ways of performing each stage then piece them together to produce a unique training style.

This matches human behaviour, from study human players have been found to settle on a unique training style and stick with it.
We use style seeds to control things from your favorite bone pile to use in the MTA Graveyard, to the preferred part of an object you like click on (the top, near the bottom, no preference etc), preferred dropping style, the way you time and coordinate your clicks/movements, favorite distraction when concentration levels drop, and infact every part of your training session that involves a decision is influenced by your style seed. "

I've seen your quote in every ad that RiD has, yet, there's no proof of it at all. People like to regurtitate things without fully understanding what's going on. You can't prove that's what's going on, you're only going by their words. Unlike Simba, you can see exactly what's going on and what's happening.

From: Trent!
I've seen a ton of people say that Simba does the same thing… but it's not just like clicking randomly instead of the same spot, or "randomizing" different variables.

Clicking randomly? What? Where the hell did you get that bogus claim from? You obviously haven't look at our source, or even care enough to. Do some research before you try to talk shit about something you have no idea about.

Our mouse paths are randomly generated, every time.

From: Trent!
It's making each user's bot have a custom mouse movement algorithm for each different kind of action their bot is performing. It's making it so that even if you had 1000 accounts using the same RiD bot, and Jagex were to look at every single one for days, even weeks, they wouldn't be able to see enough similarities between the 1000 accounts to conclude that they are all using the same bot.

Again, all of what I just explained is the reason why RiD spends hundreds a month for servers, because it's necessary to have the bots work in the way they do, and to keep the code safe from Jagex's hands. And this also means that if RiD wants to keep his customers, he has to continually meet their expectations and provide bot updates. There are many premium bot sites where people pay for a script, and then it's either poorly managed and has bugs, or doesn't work at all, and the scripter still profits while all of his users are fucked over. I've even seen scripters release a script, take all these payments, and then move onto other projects and discontinue or give up on the old project, and all those paying customers are fucked.

Oh, and it also makes it so that the bots are impossible to crack and steal. That's just a fun bonus I guess.

Everyone who uses Simba and SRL correctly can say the same thing. Everytime the mouse is moved, a new path is generated by our algorithm. It's up to the scripter to make it not click on the same location, every time. I bet you there would be similarities between those accounts.

Well that's the risk they take when they decide to pay for something, just because someone buys a script doesn't mean they have to keep it maintained.

Oh, Jagex has had access to our code since day one, yet they still can't mass ban anyone who uses SRL. Why is that?

Oh yeah, I've seen RiD being cracked before.

From: Trent!
Like he said, following the Guidelines, it is theoretically banproof, and there hasn't been anything that has disproven the theory in the past 4 years. The theory continues that if you continually and excessively break the Guidelines, then you are making yourself more vulnerable and open to a ban. Even then, statistically, breaking Guidelines still has an extremely low ban rate.

Yes, theoretically, not factually. You can get banned even with following the guidelines. Because you know, like you stated to YoHoJo, it's all about luck.

Everything you state is theoretical.

I'm tired of you trying to act like RiD is so much greater than Simba, when it's really not. RiD has bans, so does Simba (Well, SRL technically, since Simba wouldn't do anything without the library), and any client out there.

From: Trent!
EDIT: Again, I'm not trying to bash Simba. You'll see me recommend it to anyone over any injection bot, and to anyone looking for a free bot with a low ban rate. Again, I'm not saying that Simba will for sure get you banned, the most I'm saying is that there's a possibility, and that it does happen sometimes, even if it's very seldom.

And the same goes for RiD, bans happen when people use it as well. You just proved our point. RiD isn't some magical God program you try and say it is.

There's a possibility of getting banned, on any client, with the least amout of autoing.

From: Trent!
You do realize that it's not RiD who's saying anything to keep the customers around? The community and users are the ones who say the kind of shit that OP mentioned. RiD himself likes to lurk more than anything, and only seldomly pops in to make a joke or two. He especially doesn't like to publicly compare between bots, and I've even seen him tell his mods to remove or edit lines in certain posts they are preparing to make them "more friendly towards other bot sites."

Also, the only reason why it charges for credits instead of buying it once and that's it, is because RiD has to pay hundreds of dollars a month to support the servers that host all the code and make constant connections between the thousands of members who use RiD. Basically, the bot client acts as the arms, hands, mouth, and eyes of the bot, and the servers (costing hundreds a month) act as the brain. The "eyes" of the client views the screen, sends back specific information back to the "brain" and the server interprets the information, and then sends back commands to the arms/hands/mouth of the bot to complete an action. Basically, every single time your RiD bot moves the mouse, clicks, talks, etc, the bot has to communicate with the server for its instructions to complete said action. This method is called "Blackbox Security," which is used to keep all of the source code of the bot stored safely on the servers so that nobody, not even Jagex, can analyze the code to understand how the bot works enough to try to manually develop detection systems against it. This also gives RiD the ability to add something called "Unique Styles" meaning that every single user's bot acts completely different.

Here's the quote on the site to explain in more detail:

"The first time someone uses any RiD bot, we create random style seeds (which are long 10-14 digit numbers, so they are different for each person) and store them in our database. In addition to these styles, we also create and store around 10 randomly generated attributes representing factors like reaction speed and patience, etc which also make a difference to your training. The style seeds however make a more significant difference. We split training methods into different stages… instead of coding one way to perform each stage like normal bots, we code many ways of performing each stage then piece them together to produce a unique training style.

This matches human behaviour, from study human players have been found to settle on a unique training style and stick with it.
We use style seeds to control things from your favorite bone pile to use in the MTA Graveyard, to the preferred part of an object you like click on (the top, near the bottom, no preference etc), preferred dropping style, the way you time and coordinate your clicks/movements, favorite distraction when concentration levels drop, and infact every part of your training session that involves a decision is influenced by your style seed. "

I've seen a ton of people say that Simba does the same thing… but it's not just like clicking randomly instead of the same spot, or "randomizing" different variables. It's making each user's bot have a custom mouse movement algorithm for each different kind of action their bot is performing. It's making it so that even if you had 1000 accounts using the same RiD bot, and Jagex were to look at every single one for days, even weeks, they wouldn't be able to see enough similarities between the 1000 accounts to conclude that they are all using the same bot.

Again, all of what I just explained is the reason why RiD spends hundreds a month for servers, because it's necessary to have the bots work in the way they do, and to keep the code safe from Jagex's hands. And this also means that if RiD wants to keep his customers, he has to continually meet their expectations and provide bot updates. There are many premium bot sites where people pay for a script, and then it's either poorly managed and has bugs, or doesn't work at all, and the scripter still profits while all of his users are fucked over. I've even seen scripters release a script, take all these payments, and then move onto other projects and discontinue or give up on the old project, and all those paying customers are fucked.


Oh, and it also makes it so that the bots are impossible to crack and steal. That's just a fun bonus I guess.

Was gonna snip.. but it seems better to just show your wall text of reply you have given me for only writing 3 lines of text. Trent! stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

This is so funny if you open ticket about botting issue on Rid Trent will just copy and paste something like" - Your ticket has been forwarded for further investigation. Some problems (such as bot issues) take time to resolve, please allow up to 7 days for us to get back to you! Thank you for your patience." If you are talking about Simba and Rid he will spend few hours talking shit, now i know why i have to wait for 3 months to get my botting issue solved.

Nice read Kyle, Kept me busy for a couple of mins :P