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i want to know if its good for me becouse i use to smoke a 3rd lung =3 liter of smoke -weed-
right b4 wrestling practice and i wile i wrestled i felt my heart pumping fast and i felt adrenalin all over my body that just kept me going
and i alsow weight lifeted wile on it
when i wrestled i did everything diffrent i thought of diffrent moves i could do but sometimes i would axidently hit my partner becouse i had a diffrent reaction and i kneed him on face and i felt awfull haha=)

=0 hope i get replies

Ask your school.

I can bet they will say no. Also have fun when they do random drug tests, you come up positive and get kicked out/in legal trouble.

Basically if you smoke before you do a sport, your heart get weaker and if you use a lot of force, then the risk might be fatal.. I've heard smoking gets you weaker faster but that's all I've heard. Ask your school clinic about the consequences of smoking weed and then doing a sport. If you don't want them to know your the smoker, let them know it's a friend of yours you want to help out.

you can smoke weed and do anything… anything EXCEPT for play a sport. sorry

It's hardly practical, I used to smoke a fair amount when I was playing rugby and was still competent but not as good as I could have been had I not been smoking it.
I certainly never did it before training/a game, it is a depressant drug (meaning it slows the connection between brain and muscle down). So if you are required to actually do anything physically don't expect to do it better when you are high, because you simply won't.

Your heart pumping faster is a bad thing, it's a sign that it is having to work harder.

Smoking weed before sports will definitely reduce performance.

Weed is a downer/depressant and a psychedelic, which can impair judgement. Two things you don't want playing a sport.

And also the fact that sport teams are usually hard on that type of shit.

You will make silly mistakes… I wouldn't!

If you have to do a urine test for anything, they wont take lightly to you smoking weed.

why would you smoke and then do sports? it makes no sense.


if you really can't stop smoking it then leave it to the weekends or when you have spare time, it's bad for you and it shouldn't get in the way of your everyday life, nor should you smoke it before sport.

also, it's going to bring your fitness levels down, so you may aswell quit smoking it.

From: 321
why would you smoke and then do sports? it makes no sense.


if you really can't stop smoking it then leave it to the weekends or when you have spare time, it's bad for you and it shouldn't get in the way of your everyday life, nor should you smoke it before sport.

also, it's going to bring your fitness levels down, so you may aswell quit smoking it.

That's what I was thinking, weed does the complete opposite of what you want. >.<

From: wmx
Weed is a downer/depressant and a psychedelic, which can impair judgement.

No offense to you personally, but that is the most retarded thing I've seen. Anyone who's ever used Marijuana regularly or who is even slightly educated on the plant knows that it is not a psychelic, nor a downer, and only slightly considered a depressant (CNS Depressant), and that's only because it turns off pain signals in your brain and body.

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Marijuana increases heart rate, increases blood pressure if you're lying/sitting, and decreases if you're standing. It also lowers Testosterone levels and increases the production of estrogen while you're high.

Basically, it will make you more flexible, increase your tolerance for pain, but at the same time throw off your balance, increase heaviness of breathing, and your muscles won't be getting as much testosterone as they would otherwise

Also, to anyone who says that smoking weed and then exercising can be fatal is retarded and knows nothing about marijuana. The worst that would happen would be you get dizzy or you derp out and drop some kind of weights or fuck up with some machinery and that causes you to die, and even then, that wouldn't be a death caused by marijuana, it'd be a death causes by dropping the weights/etc. There hasn't been a single documented death directly caused by marijuana.

Also, when you smoke weed, it does dilate your lungs, instead of constrict (like tobacco), so you may be able to breath easier after smoking. I have friends in Cross country who will smoke weed before practice or races, and then getting amazing times. They just say that the weed helps them breath easier, numbs enough of the pain/feeling that you aren't discouraged as much to keep going and pushing, and it increases heart rate so you are burning more calories and such.

One problem you may encounter is Cotton Mouth. This is the experience that most smokers experience after smoking weed where their mouth gets very dry, and you just crave water or something to drink. So if you're wrestling, I'd recommend having some form of refreshment close by to fix this.

Sure, you will never get anywhere though. But then again i know people are beasts but hotbox everyday. I strongly discourage you from smoking whatsoever unless you wanna cough up blood by the age of 25. Its not worth it.

I doubt drawing smoke into your lungs is not healthy in any circumstance.

Weed makes you lazier in general..so yeah

Also if the school for some reason makes people get drug tests you're screwed (9 months in hair)

From: illester
Sure, you will never get anywhere though. But then again i know people are beasts but hotbox everyday. I strongly discourage you from smoking whatsoever unless you wanna cough up blood by the age of 25. Its not worth it.

You're so uneducated about marijuana that this is my gift to you:


There is no link between weed and lung cancer, there is no link to other lung diseases that are commonly caused by Tobacco. They are two VERY different plants. Don't make an ass of yourself by assuming they cause or do the same things to the human body. The worst lung damage that smoking weed can do is cause chronic bronchitis, or chronic pneumonia, and that has only been recorded by people who smoke pot for literally decades.

Seriously, I know people who have been smoking weed daily for over 50 years, and they are completely normal.

Also, did you know that over 50% of the White House staff admitted to smoking pot within a year before their hiring date? Obama (regardless of whether you like him or not, he's still the President of the US) was actually a HUGE pot smoker when he lived in Hawaii. He actually invented "total absorption" with his friends, which means that every time you take a hit of a pipe/joint/bong, you had to hold the smoke in so long that when you exhaled, no smoke would come out….. Or else you'd be skipped in the next time it goes around the circle. He even used to do "Roof hits" where he would inhale the smoke resting on the ceiling of his car. Basically, just because you smoke pot doesn't mean anything about whether or not you're going to become successful or not. YOU as a person make that happen; a drug that is statistically as addictive as Caffeine (@ 9% of users becoming clinically addicted), is not going to keep you from becoming successful.

Also, to add another example: Ted Turner, owner of CNN, smokes a joint every day. The guy is old as hell, and rich as hell.

My last example, is Abraham Lincoln. He has actually been quoted saying that one of his favorite pastimes was to sit on his rocking chair on his porch, and smoke "sweet hemp." Back then, Weed was known as "hemp." It was a long time before anyone called it "Marijuana"

From: Trent!
You're so uneducated about marijuana that this is my gift to you.

Not going to even read the first sentence of your wall of text. Out of everyone on the thread you seem to think you're the only one who's educated.. True pot heads defend weed no matter what others tell them so why would anyone even bother arguing with you.

Why don't you go play football high as hell and get knocked till kingdom come. If you're going to say there is no documents that relate weed to any problems then that right there will stop anyone with sense from reading the rest of your argument.

That's like saying nothing has an impact on you because you're the one that caused it since you chose to get high. Stupid argument. Or.. You knock someone down with your car while drunk but it's not the alcohol's fault and it's not yours, it's your car's because your car is too stupid stop on it's own.

From: Trent!
You're so uneducated about marijuana that this is my gift to you:


There is no link between weed and lung cancer, there is no link to other lung diseases that are commonly caused by Tobacco. They are two VERY different plants. Don't make an ass of yourself by assuming they cause or do the same things to the human body. The worst lung damage that smoking weed can do is cause chronic bronchitis, or chronic pneumonia, and that has only been recorded by people who smoke pot for literally decades.

Seriously, I know people who have been smoking weed daily for over 50 years, and they are completely normal.

Also, did you know that over 50% of the White House staff admitted to smoking pot within a year before their hiring date? Obama (regardless of whether you like him or not, he's still the President of the US) was actually a HUGE pot smoker when he lived in Hawaii. He actually invented "total absorption" with his friends, which means that every time you take a hit of a pipe/joint/bong, you had to hold the smoke in so long that when you exhaled, no smoke would come out….. Or else you'd be skipped in the next time it goes around the circle. He even used to do "Roof hits" where he would inhale the smoke resting on the ceiling of his car. Basically, just because you smoke pot doesn't mean anything about whether or not you're going to become successful or not. YOU as a person make that happen; a drug that is statistically as addictive as Caffeine (@ 9% of users becoming clinically addicted), is not going to keep you from becoming successful.

Also, to add another example: Ted Turner, owner of CNN, smokes a joint every day. The guy is old as hell, and rich as hell.

My last example, is Abraham Lincoln. He has actually been quoted saying that one of his favorite pastimes was to sit on his rocking chair on his porch, and smoke "sweet hemp." Back then, Weed was known as "hemp." It was a long time before anyone called it "Marijuana"

"Marijuana smoke contains cannabinoid compounds in addition to many of the same components as tobacco smoke. For instance, benzopyrene, a carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon, is found in both tobacco and marijuana smoke and has been implicated in mutations related to lung cancer.4 - 7 Furthermore, experimental studies support an association between marijuana smoke exposure and lung cancer, with lung cancer cell lines demonstrating tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-induced malignant cell proliferation8 - 9 and a murine model suggesting that THC promotes tumor growth by inhibiting antitumor immunity by a cannibinoid-2 receptor mediated pathway.10"

I copied and pasted that off a scholary paper. Weed may not be that bad, but its not like it'll have no bad effects at all.

From: Brandon
Not going to even read the first sentence of your wall of text. Out of everyone on the thread you seem to think you're the only one who's educated.. True pot heads defend weed no matter what others tell them so why would anyone even bother arguing with you.

Why don't you go play football high as hell and get knocked till kingdom come. If you're going to say there is no documents that relate weed to any problems then that right there will stop anyone with sense from reading the rest of your argument.

That's like saying nothing has an impact on you because you're the one that caused it since you chose to get high. Stupid argument. Or.. You knock someone down with your car while drunk but it's not the alcohol's fault and it's not yours, it's your car's because your car is too stupid stop on it's own.

/facepalm

First you say you're not even going to read my wall of text… and then next you start to try and tell me what I've said if you haven't even read it? /logic

Don't be ignorant, and don't be arrogant. Also, don't assume, because assume makes an ass of u and me. Actually READ something and then make a rebuttle, don't show blatant ignorance by straight up disregarding the other person's point.

I've been fully able to accept any negative consequence of using weed when people have been able to NOT be ignorant and arrogant and have provided me with scholarly articles (studies directly from medical journals) to back up their claims. I have a pile of medical journal studies that have been given to me by licensed therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and other people that I've debated this topic with.

I have a 25+ page word document that has a large combination of different studies, articles, et cetera, all on marijuana and its safety/effects.

Again, don't be arrogant, nor ignorant. I never said that "there is no documents that relate weed to any problems." So don't go putting words in my mouth. If you had ACTUALLY used your brain and read my post properly, you'd have found that I said there are no link between Marijuana and Lung cancer (Oh lookie here, this is the article: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=large-study-finds-no-link) and that you don't find the same lung problems such as COPD that you find with tobacco. You wanna educate yourself a little bit? Watch this video interview with Dr. Tashkin, director of Pulmonary lung function at UCLA: [YOUTUBE]GJmQ16cGBHU[/YOUTUBE]

Honestly, if you REALLY believe you know more about this plant than me, PLEASE go ahead and present me with valid, recent scholarly articles and studies proving what you are trying to claim.

You'll find that I don't make claims about weed unless I have a source behind it. There's a reason my Works Cited page for my Speech Final that was done on marijuana was multiple pages long. I've written papers, I've done Speeches, I've done PowerPoints, hell, I've even brought stacks of papers proving my Health teacher wrong whenever he tried to tell the class something about Cannabis that wasn't true.

From: vaporak10
"Marijuana smoke contains cannabinoid compounds in addition to many of the same components as tobacco smoke. For instance, benzopyrene, a carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon, is found in both tobacco and marijuana smoke and has been implicated in mutations related to lung cancer.4 - 7 Furthermore, experimental studies support an association between marijuana smoke exposure and lung cancer, with lung cancer cell lines demonstrating tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-induced malignant cell proliferation8 - 9 and a murine model suggesting that THC promotes tumor growth by inhibiting antitumor immunity by a cannibinoid-2 receptor mediated pathway.10"

I copied and pasted that off a scholary paper. Weed may not be that bad, but its not like it'll have no bad effects at all.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=large-study-finds-no-link

Read that.

And also watch the video I posted in my previous response, it's relevant.

Also, check out http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

Talks basically about how cannabis has antitumor, antiproliferative, and helps prevent metastasis of cancer cells

"Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. "

From: Trent!

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=large-study-finds-no-link

Read that.

And also watch the video I posted in my previous response, it's relevant.

Also, check out http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

Talks basically about how cannabis has antitumor, antiproliferative, and helps prevent metastasis of cancer cells

"Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. "

I guess its not that bad but I find it hard to believe its healthy to inhale anything at that temperature.

From: vaporak10
I guess its not that bad but I find it hard to believe its healthy to inhale anything at that temperature.

While it can cause scarring to the lung tissue over years and years (decades even), it's not as bad as tobacco, which is a legal substance in the US. It may cause a handful of lung issues, but it's a lot less different kinds than Tobacco, and the risk for it is much lower.

Also, inhaling ANYTHING by burning dried plant matter and taking it into your lungs can cause scarring or damage over longterm use, HOWEVER, there is a way around this: Vaporizing. Basically a vaporizer, instead of burning and carbonizing the plant matter, it usually uses electricity (through batteries, plug in, etc) to turn the moisture into water vapor, which you inhale with 0 negative lung health effects. The only reason you find all those carcinogenic materials in the smoke of marijuana is because it's carbonized (burned), and that brings a lot of those out. When you just inhale water vapor that is combined with THC (when you burn weed, you are inhaling THC (tetrahydracannibinol) and CBD (Cannabidiol), but when you vaporize, you only get the THC, meaning you can smoke the CBD that's left in the already vaped weed later should you wish) and it lacks all of the carcinogens that are found in marijuana smoke.

Basically, in TL;DR form: Using a Vaporizer instead of smoking it removes the risks of lung damage

you better don't, you'll prestate a lot worse after smoking weed.

From: P1nky
You will make silly mistakes… I wouldn't!

I think I see what you did there :)


OT:
And why is it that when somebody makes a thread about weed it gets a bazillion hits… you realize that this is just you posting your opinion about weed like most of you have in so many other pot related threads. You can pretty much copy paste your longest defense and leave.
I don't understand why people have to stand up for weed or downtalk it, you aren't changing anybody's mind. If you don't smoke, nobody is going to make you smoke- especially not over the internet. If you smoke, you will most definitely continue smoking- no effect from internet walls of text.

I don't smoke, and reading "Weed cantz hurtz yew!" isnt going to change my decision. What are you thinking? After reading a biased review on marijuana I'm going to pick up my bong and head to the hills? lolno.

The only person who usually has a good comment is Brandon/ggzz since he has a vast knowledge of the universe.

~Joe

From: Joe


I don't understand why people have to stand up for weed or downtalk it, you aren't changing anybody's mind. If you don't smoke, nobody is going to make you smoke- especially not over the internet. If you smoke, you will most definitely continue smoking- no effect from internet walls of text.

I don't smoke, and reading "Weed cantz hurtz yew!" isnt going to change my decision. What are you thinking? After reading a biased review on marijuana I'm going to pick up my bong and head to the hills? lolno.

The only person who usually has a good comment is Brandon/ggzz since he has a vast knowledge of the universe.

~Joe

Although you may not be directly and immediately affected by material in this debate, it still may be affecting others. I myself did a lot of research about weed on the internet before I decided to toke up for the first time. There were plenty of debates on this forum that I read, which ultimately factored into my decision to do so.

The fact of the matter is that there has been years of dirty government propaganda related to the "risks" of weed. And throughout these years we have put forward enough scientific studies to prove many of these risks untrue. Unfortunately, there are still many people out there who feel obligated to perpetuate these false claims against weed, and in turn, perpetuate ridiculous legislation and the discrimination of otherwise-law-abiding citizens.

And you're saying that it isn't even worth it to debate about? How the hell do you think anything changes in this world? No no no… its much better to say nothing about it while remaining ignorant of the actual consequences. :fiery:

From: Trent!
YOU as a person make that happen; a drug that is statistically as addictive as Caffeine (@ 9% of users becoming clinically addicted), is not going to keep you from becoming successful.

^ Hell yes.

From: gerauchert
Although you may not be directly and immediately affected by material in this debate, it still may be affecting others. I myself did a lot of research about weed on the internet before I decided to toke up for the first time. There were plenty of debates on this forum that I read, which ultimately factored into my decision to do so.

The fact of the matter is that there has been years of dirty government propaganda related to the "risks" of weed. And throughout these years we have put forward enough scientific studies to prove many of these risks untrue. Unfortunately, there are still many people out there who feel obligated to perpetuate these false claims against weed, and in turn, perpetuate ridiculous legislation and the discrimination of otherwise-law-abiding citizens.

And you're saying that it isn't even worth it to debate about? How the hell do you think anything changes in this world? No no no… its much better to say nothing about it while remaining ignorant of the actual consequences. :fiery:

Very little change in the world comes from debate. In fact- it seems most change that comes from debates is division. People seperate based on their claims. In this debate we have users and nonusers ranting on about weed being either good or bad. What change is coming physically? Nobody- not a single person in this thread has a changed view about marijuana. Speak up if your view has been changed. People state their views, others combatting that view, then a back and forth rage convo about weed. But really, your all trying to convert each other like a group of jehova's witnesses.
Seen the news about Quebec? here.
If there is a winner to this debate, I'll be damned.

From: Trent!
/facepalm

First you say you're not even going to read my wall of text… and then next you start to try and tell me what I've said if you haven't even read it? /logic

1. I read your first post but I never said I was going to read the second one.. So take your own advice and don't assume either. /logic.

2. I wasn't assuming anything. Only stating that what you said here is wrong:

The worst that would happen would be you get dizzy or you derp out and drop some kind of weights or fuck up with some machinery and that causes you to die, and even then, that wouldn't be a death caused by marijuana, it'd be a death causes by dropping the weights/etc. There hasn't been a single documented death directly caused by marijuana.

Retard logic. Sorry. You say that everyone who says smoking before a sport can be fatal, is a retard.. well check your logic above. Like I said, join a football team or rugby team, smoke until you get high as hell and then go on the field to get all your bones broken. According to you, since the weights killed you, it's not the weed's fault. Well damn right it is. If you didn't smoke, you could have still been alive considering that you could probably lift them when NOT high or not cause stupid "accidents". Read my alcohol metaphor again before you tell me to use my brain.

3. I don't care what 25 page document you have. If I don't have that document in my hands then your argument is invalid. What does your 25 page document you have, have to do with anything here? Geez.. I can say I'm bill gates or Lance Armstrong but I'm not going to try and prove that over the internet (I'm neither btw). Might as well go to court and say I have this and that but it's at home.

4.

I've written papers, I've done Speeches, I've done PowerPoints, hell, I've even brought stacks of papers proving my Health teacher wrong whenever he tried to tell the class something about Cannabis that wasn't true.

Really? As I said before, what does "your work" have to do with any of this? You cannot prove it to me so it's irrelevant. I can care less how many teachers you say you proved wrong, how many papers you wrote on weed, and how many studies you have done. That doesn't prove anything to ME. You're just hyping yourself up. Sit down.

5. I haven't argued with any source or videos you posted since you posted all that crap AFTER I replied so again.. Irrelevant to what I said. Take a seat and read first.

As far as im concerned getting lean is something you do AFTER a physically demanding activity such as sports :P

As for the weed is bad and will kill you by 25… Vaporize. Im pretty sure that a lifetime of living in a city is worse for my health with all of the air, noise and light pollution than bud is.

It is also very frustrating when I see people blindly following the propaganda sicked up over and over by a government that has been lying to us all ever since we were born, without doing any research of their own.

In the UK I remember hearing about a poll (obviously this doesn't include everyone) where the question was do you trust the government, not even 40% of people said yes.

According to you, since the weights killed you, it's not the weed's fault. Well damn right it is. If you didn't smoke, you could have still been alive considering that you could probably lift them when NOT high or not cause stupid "accidents". Read my alcohol metaphor again before you tell me to use my brain.

Sorry I have to disagree with you there, it would be the same as driving down a hill in a car while fully aware the brakes dont work, It might have been the brakes that caused you to die but it was your own fault for driving the car.

From: Brandon
1. I read your first post but I never said I was going to read the second one.. So take your own advice and don't assume either. /logic.

2. I wasn't assuming anything. Only stating that what you said here is wrong:
Retard logic. Sorry. You say that everyone who says smoking before a sport can be fatal, is a retard.. well check your logic above. Like I said, join a football team or rugby team, smoke until you get high as hell and then go on the field to get all your bones broken. According to you, since the weights killed you, it's not the weed's fault. Well damn right it is. If you didn't smoke, you could have still been alive considering that you could probably lift them when NOT high or not cause stupid "accidents". Read my alcohol metaphor again before you tell me to use my brain.

3. I don't care what 25 page document you have. If I don't have that document in my hands then your argument is invalid. What does your 25 page document you have, have to do with anything here? Geez.. I can say I'm bill gates or Lance Armstrong but I'm not going to try and prove that over the internet (I'm neither btw). Might as well go to court and say I have this and that but it's at home.

4. Really? As I said before, what does "your work" have to do with any of this? You cannot prove it to me so it's irrelevant. I can care less how many teachers you say you proved wrong, how many papers you wrote on weed, and how many studies you have done. That doesn't prove anything to ME. You're just hyping yourself up. Sit down.

5. I haven't argued with any source or videos you posted since you posted all that crap AFTER I replied so again.. Irrelevant to what I said. Take a seat and read first.

As I said before, Brandon is really the only one with legitimate posts on debate threads. But all in all, nothing here is changing anyones minds.

From: Wreck

Sorry I have to disagree with you there, it would be the same as driving down a hill in a car while fully aware the brakes dont work, It might have been the brakes that caused you to die but it was your own fault for driving the car.

What? Where did I mention brakes? Ever heard of a DUI? You drive under the influence of anything, it's your fault for taking the drug and driving in the first place. See if you weren't drunk, you won't be impaired and you wouldn't have gotten in trouble or knocked a person down. Thus it is your fault and whatever you took that impaired your judgement.

If you disagree with me then do as I told him. Get high, play rugby or football.. No.. better yet, be like me and go get so high and do an airflare and see if you make it with both arms in tact. I used to do alot of stupid shit too. Get high and break dancing is pretty much comparable to tough sports while being high.. Ended up with broken bones all over the place (that was the last time I ever got high).

See without getting high, I was guaranteed to have not broken any bones because I'd be fully aware and have full strength to do what I always did sober.

He's arguing that everyone who said "Getting high while playing sports can be fatal" is retarded.. With that logic, I must've been a damn genius to break and smoke. I'd love to see both you and him on video get super duper high and pull off an airflare or play football and rugby without getting smashed like mad or possibly killed (airflare/parkour will kill you). Infact any rough sport while high CAN kill you. Not that it will but it CAN.

I don't care if OP smokes it any other time but simply smoking before a sport is plain stupid.

From: Brandon
What? Where did I mention brakes? Ever heard of a DUI? You drive under the influence of anything, it's your fault for taking the drug and driving in the first place. See if you weren't drunk, you won't be impaired and you wouldn't have gotten in trouble or knocked a person down. Thus it is your fault and whatever you took that impaired your judgement.

If you disagree with me then do as I told him. Get high, play rugby or football.. No.. better yet, be like me and go get so high and do an airflare and see if you make it with both arms in tact. I used to do alot of stupid shit too. Get high and break dancing is pretty much comparable to tough sports while being high.. Ended up with broken bones all over the place (that was the last time I ever got high).

See without getting high, I was guaranteed to have not broken any bones because I'd be fully aware and have full strength to do what I always did sober.

He's arguing that everyone who said "Getting high while playing sports can be fatal" is retarded. Well I'd love to see both you and him on video get super duper high and pull off an airflare or play football and rugby without getting smashed like mad or possibly killed (airflare/parkour will kill you).

Did you even read what I wrote? Let me put it another way… If you are stoned and shoot yourself in the face while playing with a gun who's fault is it? Your own.
Even if it wouldn't have happened if you weren't stoned you can't blame it on the weed. You have to realise that you made the choice yourself to play with a gun while high and you ended up shooting yourself in the face.

From: Wreck
Did you even read what I wrote? Let me put it another way… If you are stoned and shoot yourself in the face while playing with a gun who's fault is it? Your own.
Even if it wouldn't have happened if you weren't stoned you can't blame it on the weed. You have to realise that you made the choice yourself to play with a gun while high and you ended up shooting yourself in the face.

Did you read what I said? If you aren't FULLY aware, can you truly blame yourself? No. There is something in this world called an influence. You have to blame both obviously. It's the same reason cops blamed bathsalts for that guy's behaviour when he ate the other man's face. They blamed both him and the bath salts because I'm pretty damn sure if he wasn't on it, he wouldn't eat the guy. How can you blame just him?

What about the california shooter? He was "apparently" brain washed by some guy and thus he got less time in jail whereas the other guy got life. That's an influence. He used it and he blamed that for his killings.

Same thing here. You get high, it's your fault yes, but it's also your influence's fault for whatever you do. In the end though you're the one getting in trouble not the influence. That's the only difference.

From: Brandon
Did you read what I said? If you aren't FULLY aware, can you truly blame yourself? No. There is something in this world called an influence. You have to blame both obviously. It's the same reason cops blamed bathsalts for that guy's behaviour when he ate the other man's face. They blamed both him and the bath salts because I'm pretty damn sure if he wasn't on it, he wouldn't eat the guy. How can you blame just him?

Sorry were talking about smoking marijuana here, not crack.
If you smoke weed and get into a mental state where you have no idea what you are doing and can't control yourself then maybe you shouldn't be smoking it.

From: Wreck
Sorry were talking about smoking marijuana here, not crack.
If you smoke weed and get into a mental state where you have no idea what you are doing and can't control yourself then maybe you shouldn't be smoking it.

is it okay if i smoke weed and do a sport?

No. I'm not going to repeat myself. It doesn't matter. Anything that impairs you before doing a sport can be bad. I don't care if it's weed or crack or acid or whatever. You're still impaired in some way. If you're going to argue that it's just weed then like I said go do an airflare while high as hell and we'll see if you can post a reply in the next couple weeks.

….
Q/ is it okay if he smokes weed and play a sport
A/ No its not okay

In my opinion it would be just shitty to smoke weed daily if you are at school and below 17-18. Take it from a X-Pot Head, Pot really does a lot of effects on the body that are not what you would want for doing sport or school in general feeling. If you smoke a little bit on the weekends and don't go over board and your not to young it won't effect you as mind as much as if it would of when you are younger. If you suffer from pain then yes it will benefit you, but only in small dosages that won't get you high. I have been currently been experimenting with Smoking very small quantities at a time whenever I have Chronic pain due to a condition I am suffering, It is a complete success for Pain I had a massive Roar going through my body 1 second and after only `1 small puff It was reduced up to 95% and the Throbbing frequency slowed down dramatically and then stopped for up to 3 hrs the last time I needed to too. For this kind of thing I think it's amazing. When you can actually think better afterwards and function better, it is the opposite of what it would do for most others. Sometimes people will have accelerated thinking/creative thinking etc when doing it but it doesn't last forever you need to think about in the morning etc and you don't want to be tired while doing school it's seriously important to be on your shit when their so make the most of it while you can because if you do end up impaired in some way with your grades because of the effects then you will regret it for most of your life I would think. Getting a Job is one of the most important things these day's the way the worlds going thing's are changing pretty rapidly and economies are failing.. + it's like you should want to be as smart as possible as healthy as possible to have fun in life such as doing complex projects incredible things that if you do put your mind to can achieve at a even faster and accurate rate if not impaired in your mental/physical abilities.

Sorry for my spelling mistakes I typed this up very quick xD
But in actual answer to the questions of course it is not going to necessarily hurt you as long as your not a spaz when high and know your sport well enough, Nobody has ever died of doing weed and sport at the same time I used to work out a lot of the time when high and play sport at home with friends, go swimming and it was fine because we weren't too completely out of it. I mean people go dancing with Alcohol running through their blood streams at such high dosages they pass out.. I've never heard of 1 case with weed or whatever.

But at School/Public Establishment I would never want to be stoned doing sport.. stoned it would just lower your grades n people could pick up on you being stoned and Not talk to you/Talk behind your back from experience everyone I know can tell when someones high and if their at school high it's like your at school at sport drinking and who would want to hang around someone being that stupid is their mindset.

From: Brandon
2. I wasn't assuming anything. Only stating that what you said here is wrong:
Retard logic. Sorry. You say that everyone who says smoking before a sport can be fatal, is a retard.. well check your logic above. Like I said, join a football team or rugby team, smoke until you get high as hell and then go on the field to get all your bones broken. According to you, since the weights killed you, it's not the weed's fault. Well damn right it is. If you didn't smoke, you could have still been alive considering that you could probably lift them when NOT high or not cause stupid "accidents". Read my alcohol metaphor again before you tell me to use my brain.

Obviously you've never even so much as spoken to a coroner. If I get drunk, and go driving, I fucked up, hit a tree, and die, what do you think they put down as the cause of death after doing the autopsy? Drunk driving? Being Drunk? No. They list internal bleeding/damages sustained from the wreck.

Here's a study done by the FDA to determine actual deaths caused or related to the use of Marijuana from Jan 1st, 1997 until June 30th, 2005:


Also, I never said that smoking weed and then doing a sport isn't fatal, I said that it wasn't the actual use of the drug that killed you. If I'm taking Adderall or Vyvanse for ADD, and that causes me to feel speedy, and so I go 70 in a 45 and get in a car accident and die, what do you think they're gonna put down as the cause of death? ADD meds? Hell no, they'll put it as bodily injuries, internal bleeding, etc. There's a HUGE difference between correlation and causation, which you don't seem to understand.

3. I don't care what 25 page document you have. If I don't have that document in my hands then your argument is invalid. What does your 25 page document you have, have to do with anything here? Geez.. I can say I'm bill gates or Lance Armstrong but I'm not going to try and prove that over the internet (I'm neither btw). Might as well go to court and say I have this and that but it's at home.

I just did some editing to the format and font (made it smaller), so now it's 18 pages, but 5,732 words, it's a word document: http://www.mediafire.com/?94oikkmwdj3fdqb

4. Really? As I said before, what does "your work" have to do with any of this? You cannot prove it to me so it's irrelevant. I can care less how many teachers you say you proved wrong, how many papers you wrote on weed, and how many studies you have done. That doesn't prove anything to ME. You're just hyping yourself up. Sit down.

Want some stuff proven? Here's a copy of a few of the papers I have lying around my computer: http://www.mediafire.com/?zkgxz5g9vpu9md5

here's another: http://www.mediafire.com/?r88mfoymuv4mmci

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When I was in a medical program I got in some conversations with one of the interns about weed and its medical effects. He started asking me questions about my sources and such, and I eventually ended up giving him a copy of The Union: The Business Behind Getting High (I highly recommend it to users and nonusers alike, as it is a documentary that delves into the whole business behind the substance, talks about grow ops, raids, has Harvard medical professors, Biochemists, etc who all talk about it). He in return gave me 3 stacks of papers that contained the info from 3 medical journal studies that were done within the last few years. After reading through them, it basically concludes that while it does cause small deficits in certain areas of your brain (basically slowing it down) over long-term regular use, even in heavy smokers, the brain goes back to what it used to be after 30-60 days (depending on how much the smoker is, and how long they've been smoking). Basically, it's not like Alcohol where it actually kills the brain cells, it just sticks a bit and slows you down slightly until the drug is completely out of your system.

I have been smoking for about 2.25 years, and I use it mostly for pain relief and Bipolar Disorder. I reached a point earlier this year where I was actually dependent on using weed 2-3 times a day to not have increased anxiety, and other symptoms of withdrawal. I went through a program and was clean for 2 weeks, and then continued to smoke since then, and it's a big big difference. It's all about personal responsibility tbh. If you're dependent, all you need is a good T-Break (Tolerance Break) and by the time you come back to smoking, as long as you aren't doing it as often as you were before, you'll be fine with managing without it. I can go days without smoking and feel normal, no different than any other day. Keep in mind that I was smoking like 1/3rd of a gram in every gravity bong (3 liter bottle) hit I was doing, and I was doing 3-6 hits a day, which is a pretty damn heavy amount (cost 100-200$ a week). Since the program it's nowhere at all, anywhere like what it used to be.


Also, I have a lot of friends who are in Gymnastics, and they often times will get high and then go to practice, and guess what, their coach liked what he saw so much that he put them on Varsity and picked them to go to the state championships. They say that they are more flexible and limber while high.

Keep in mind that smoking and getting high for a relatively new user is COMPLETELY different than getting high for a regular smoker. I've seen new users smoke half a gravity bong, while I smoke 3-6, and the new user is completely gone out of his mind, and I'm just chillin', relaxin', pretty much normal. I have been high in front of my mom multiple times the last few weeks, and she doesn't even notice because I'm so used to the effects. My eyes don't even get bloodshot and red anymore. My point being, that how dangerous it is for a high person to do a certain task, really depends on how often the person smokes, how much they smoked, how long ago it was, and how long they've been smoking weed.

All I can say @ OP is it's not good to smoke before playing sports because once the buzz starts wearing off you don't feel the same as when you started so that can effect you. I know I use to smoke before playing football(Soccer) and you give up a lot quicker if you don't get the chance to get high again lol :p

Only other thing I wanna say is
Use it don't abuse it or it will abuse you ;)

From: Trent!
You're so uneducated about marijuana that this is my gift to you:


There is no link between weed and lung cancer, there is no link to other lung diseases that are commonly caused by Tobacco. They are two VERY different plants. Don't make an ass of yourself by assuming they cause or do the same things to the human body. The worst lung damage that smoking weed can do is cause chronic bronchitis, or chronic pneumonia, and that has only been recorded by people who smoke pot for literally decades.

Seriously, I know people who have been smoking weed daily for over 50 years, and they are completely normal.

Also, did you know that over 50% of the White House staff admitted to smoking pot within a year before their hiring date? Obama (regardless of whether you like him or not, he's still the President of the US) was actually a HUGE pot smoker when he lived in Hawaii. He actually invented "total absorption" with his friends, which means that every time you take a hit of a pipe/joint/bong, you had to hold the smoke in so long that when you exhaled, no smoke would come out….. Or else you'd be skipped in the next time it goes around the circle. He even used to do "Roof hits" where he would inhale the smoke resting on the ceiling of his car. Basically, just because you smoke pot doesn't mean anything about whether or not you're going to become successful or not. YOU as a person make that happen; a drug that is statistically as addictive as Caffeine (@ 9% of users becoming clinically addicted), is not going to keep you from becoming successful.

Also, to add another example: Ted Turner, owner of CNN, smokes a joint every day. The guy is old as hell, and rich as hell.

My last example, is Abraham Lincoln. He has actually been quoted saying that one of his favorite pastimes was to sit on his rocking chair on his porch, and smoke "sweet hemp." Back then, Weed was known as "hemp." It was a long time before anyone called it "Marijuana"

How did you like all those responses saying you're wrong? My recommendation is stop thinking that just because google said it then its true, google is a great friend but sometimes google just likes to test your logic because he well such a great friend.

From: illester
How did you like all those responses saying you're wrong? My recommendation is stop thinking that just because google said it then its true, google is a great friend but sometimes google just likes to test your logic because he well such a great friend.

I don't see a single post proving any of my claims wrong. You certainly haven't provided any. Also, obviously you didn't read my other posts, where I posted multiple download links for my sources (Including an 18 page, 5000+ word word document containing quotes and sources. Also two essays on the topic)

You think any of my claims are wrong? Provide me with a valid source that proves me wrong. Don't just state that other people, who haven't done even a fraction of the amount of research I've done on this topic, are just telling me I'm wrong. Honestly, I've had a 20 year Health education teacher try and argue with me about this kind of stuff, and every time he's asked me for a source for any claim I make, guess what, I've printed it off and given it to him. He's admitted I was right about almost everything I've ever presented him with sources for. He's always said the same thing, "Even though that may be true, I still feel that it shouldn't be legalized for consumer use." He doesn't deny whatsoever that it can be useful for medical use while under the care of a licensed physician.

Basically, if you don't believe my claims, go ahead and download the links I posted above to the word documents, and actually read them, you might learn a thing or two.

I've had Marijuana Good vs Bad arguments for years, and the only person I've ever found that's actually been able to hear what I'm saying, make a educated conclusion based on it, and then done some searching for actual Scholarly Articles from Medical Journals of actual medical studies done by professionals that have provided me with new information about the drug, its effects, and how it affects people, has been an intern (really smart, wise, old guy) at a hospital I was at for a few weeks. I have ways of gaining access to the full study details for almost any study you can find the Abstract for online. It's not that hard. So if you find something that proves my claim wrong, please do post it. I'm completely fine with having a actual valid debate where we both can provide actual proven evidence for whatever our claims are, instead of just simply beating around the bush, responding with no rebuttal to the facts and information given, and responding only to the person themselves, and NOT what they said.

If you're going to have an argument about Cannabis with me, at least do it intelligently enough to where you can actually provide evidence as to why I'm wrong.

1. It's illegal in most countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country) so assuming you're in the U.S., it is illegal in every state (federally; Schedule 1 substance)
2. Why weed? Just take some caffeine + ephedrine and it would do much more for you imo

Honestly the question isnt is it safe or is it legal.

The true question is, why would you want to play any sport high? One your timing is off, two your awareness isnt as sharp, three you are needing to stay focused in any sport you play. Being sober appose to high is the only way you'll win.

Lets not discuss the drug testing, legal side of this because thats a whole new story but for real man….Ask any NFL player if they would play high when playing football lets see what Sam Hurd thinks about drugs and football, hahaha.