You can't quantify someone getting banned with a goldfarming account with mains/stakers/etc accounts getting banned. It's totally different.
Trents: My gold supplier used Mat's script and got banned
Trents: Same guy who got banned 5 times from the unf pot bot lol
Well that's what he gets for goldfarming, and I honestly don't feel sorry for him. If he were to auto smart and correctly, it wouldn't have happened.
Trents: He said SRL fucked up a lot of randoms
YoHoJo: If it does, it logs out
Trents: Idk, he just said it failed them
He needs to learn how to setup SRL and his RS settings correctly. All of the working randoms that we have work perfectly for me, every time.
Trents: Is that Optimus could include a method for tracking mouse movements and mouse positions at all times, or something along those lines
Trents: Which would just mean you'd just have to improve the quality of the Mouse movement algorithms
Do you know how much data that will take? The amount would be huge, and would actually hurt the system. Imagine, storing all of that data in real time while thousands of players are online. I hightly doubt that.
Our algorithms are fine, and will only get better. If you look at our source, you'll see that we move pretty human like. We don't just move from point a to b, we "blow" the mouse from point a to b. Take a look at the algorithm, it's pretty awesome.
Also, we have new functions that greatly change the mouse movements. Flight is one of the leaders in that, his functions are awesome.
Trents: RiD doesn't really have to worry about that kind of update, if it does end up being true
Trents: 3 different mouse options + a billion possible unique playing styles for each bot
Any client will have to worry about it if it's true, and don't try to deny it. How do you know there is a "billion possible unique" styles for each bot? Have you seen the source? Have you seen how it works? Or are you just repeating one of the headlines used to draw people in? That statement is used in every ad for RiD I've seen. Any video about it, any post about it, even the RiD site promotes it. So until I see it with my own eyes, I'm calling that bluff.
Trents: We've had J Mods come up to some of our top botters
Trents: and talk to them, asking if they were botting, etc
Trents: while they were botting, of course
Trents: nothing ever happened to them, ban wise
Trents: Did you ever read about how the Unique Styles work?
Trents: http://www.robotzindisguise.com/forum/showthread.php?707-Unique-Styles
Trents: Shows why, even if you get 1000 of RiD bots running at the same time, the movements are different and have different patterns and habits compared to the rest of the users running the same bot
I've autoed next to many J Mods and P Mods with my main. Still nothing has happened to it. What exactly is your point? None of the accounts I've owned has ever been banned for autoing, using nothing but SCAR and Simba, for years.
Also, your link doesn't really prove much. Take this snip for example:
instead of coding one way to perform each stage like normal bots, we code many ways of performing each stage then piece them together to produce a unique training style.
So he has coded over a billion ways to piece each stage together? Or is he just randomly piecing stages together? Either way, he has to hard code something, and it WILL get repeated and over used.
Trents: If you get reported, they look at mouse movements
Trents: And if Optimus includes a feature to constantly track the mouse, that could be very changing for the botting community
Trents: Meaning they are focusing on it like never before
YoHoJo: Doubt it man, I hardly doubt they can catch us based on mousemovements…
Trents: They do lol
Trents: Trust me lol
YoHoJo: No good bot uses mouse movements stupid enough to contain any noticeable patterns
Trents: I know people very very close to the ICU @ Jagex
Trents: They do use mouse movements
YoHoJo: There is so much randmness build into mouse movements
Trents: and not just like, patterns from same movement
YoHoJo: They can't find a pattern and detect
Trents: but like, they look at the way the mouse moves
Trents: and they can see if it's 'too perfect'
YoHoJo: We got funcs that mess up, miss objects, move back to them, etc
Trents: yeah, I'm not just talking about like aiming and stuff
Trents: but like, the actual line of the path
Trents: imagine graphing the exactly movement of the mouse from one point to another
YoHoJo: I said earlier, line has so much randomness build in, what are they going to see
Trents: the exact**
YoHoJo: They will not be able to differenciate a bot's mouose movments from a huamans, if they are looking at any decenty made bot
Trents: They do it all the time lol
Trents: Part of the detection system is based on movements
Trents: Lemme find this app
Trents: basically draws on a white thing with however you move your mouse
YoHoJo: yah you can do w/ paint too :p
Trents: I mean like playing RS
Trents: Humans move the mouse in such a chaotic, unpredictable way
Trents: it's not like a direct path
Who says they look at mouse movements? Your "sources"? I've been reported many times, and haven't been banned or warned.
I know for a fact they don't focus on mouse movements, want to know how? I made a test account, level 3. I wrote a script to move between two points, and click on exact pixels. I ran it over night in a populated world. First hour or so I watched it, and people were saying "Ohhh a botter, reported!". I was never banned nor warned, and I can still login to that account today.
You're right, Simba doesn't use a direct path between the points. There is a start and end node, and many, randomly generated nodes between them that get produced. The mouse line is then calculated with speed, randomness, and splines to create the human movement.
All you have to do is take a look at our source, like I stated before.
Trents: Idk, I've never seen any movements from any Simba bots that impressed me
YoHoJo: They don't need to impress you, they just need to not get you banned, and they dont.
Trents: Well, a lot of that is luck
Trents: You've even said, when my friend had his bans, that he must have been reported
YoHoJo: http://puu.sh/I7fG this much luck?
YoHoJo is right, they're not designed to impress your panties off. They are designed to work, and work well. Which they have been, for OVER seven years.
The stats that YoHoJo posted is only a small percentage, iirc, we did a stats reset awhile ago. Imagine the numbers if we hadn't of done that, far greater than what they are now.
Trents: You'll notice that a lot of those have usernames that obviously point at goldfarming
Trents: meaning multiple accounts at once
Trents: meaning your time builds up a lot faster
YoHoJo: Um so? Multiple accounts still means more bots runnig?
Trents: lol, you don't get it
Trents: I used to run a bot farm
Trents: So I get it
Trents: You can run 100 accounts goldfarming
Trents: I did it with 12
Trents: I ran the bot combined to over 1500 hours
Trents: Only about half or so of my accounts were banned
Trents: Just because the other half didn't get banned, doesn't mean that the script was undetectable
Trents: Just means that I got lucky
Trents: Jagex doesn't ban right away, they wait until they gather at least 80% evidence
Trents: it's more impressive to bot massive amounts on a single account, than little amounts spread across tons of bots
And RiD doesn't have goldfarming users? I think you're trying to grasp at any straw you can to try and prove a point that you can't.
So you're saying that the only reason why the stats are so high is because they're running so many accounts? If you knew anything about goldfarming, you'd know they run many accounts all at once. They will do anything to maximize their return, and if running 100 accounts 24/7 is the answer, they will do it.
You talk about being lucky as if it only pertains to Simba scripts, when it very much pertains to RiD and any client out there. So you're saying that you are just lucky with your main while using RiD and not getting banned then, since you can't really prove it's RiD that's keeping you from not getting banned, just luck. Same goes to anyone who autos, no matter what the client is. Not getting banned is just luck, and you just proved it.
Trents: Lilcmp1, who also bots with simba for goldfarming last I checked, has used RiD for over 600,000 minutes, only on 3-4 accounts
Trents: That's just one user
600K minutes? Aww that's cute. I wish you could pull up stats with larger numbers, like you know, 32 MILLION MINUTES of use. Oh, that would be Narcles script, which is the #1 goldfarmed script here.
http://stats.villavu.com/script/18 And that has MANY users, with MANY accounts, GOLDFARMING on a very POPULAR and WIDELY used script. Your puny stats mean nothing.
Trents: I'm not saying that people aren't dissatisfied with Simba
Trents: I'd definitely use Simba over any injection bot
YoHoJo: You're saying RiD is better, like you alawys do, but there is no way to qunaitfy it.
Trents: I just would never trust my main on it
Trents: Simba has had X bans since bot nuke, I know it's a minimum of 6, cause I know the guy, so there has to be more
I trust every account that I own with Simba, and I have, for many years. That includes SCAR too. So because you know of 6 accounts being banned, from a goldfarmer, that MUST mean there are more out there right? Come on dude, you're still grasping for straws.
Trents: There's been 37 bans with RiD since 2008
37 bans, that you know of. How many people get banned without reporting it? Probably a lot. Same applies here, but RiD isn't some godly program that you try to talk it to be. It's a very well written program, but still succumbs to everything any other client does.
Trents: We had about 9-10 or so bans right before Bot nuke
Trents: J Mod sweeps against mining bots, RiD got caught in the crossfire
Trents: All of them were botting 10-20+ hours a day tho
So is 10-20+ hours a day the magic number to get banned with while using RiD? That's strange, because there are many, many, many (and so forth) people who use Simba script the same length of time if not longer and are never banned.
Back when Harry had his Fight Cave script, I autoed it for two whole weeks without stopping on my main. I was on vacation, when I got back it had stopped, but only because of a stupid Windows update. If you know anything about Fight Caves, Harry's script is the reason why Jagex took action there. So many people were abusing that script and that's why it's one of the highest spots that can result in a ban.
tl;dr I'm not dissing RiD in particular, I'm dissing you. I can't stand people who go around talking as if one thing is "so much better" than something else when they're pretty much equal. I like RiD, I've never used it, but the guy has done some great work for being by himself. It's people like you who I don't like.