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jagex say,

We’re also changing the way that combat levels are calculated. We are scrapping the current 138 max design and replacing it with a calculation that’s far simpler to understand:

X + Defence level +2 = your Combat level.
(X = your highest stat level from Magic, Ranged, Attack or Strength).

This makes the new max combat level 200!

heres a really good thread about the updates http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?296,297,326,63795687,goto,1 & http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?296,297,805,63808234

Where is this?

Wonder what will happen to NPC levels :) Also No experience on monsters 30 levels under your current level! Time to train.

on rs home page read og blog

bring on the WoWscape, i got de-repped for predicting it months ago…


NOW. the action bar and everything else i predicted has come into play. runescape aint runescape anymore, it's genericmmorpgscape.

bye bye originality :)

Ohhh I see. Pretty cool!

;) Already lvl 200 then :S I don't see this affecting anyone other than pures

I'd rather see ge get scrapped though :P

They also mention "price of items will fluctuate greatly and erratically", sounds scary :frusty:

Combat 4 skillers LOL. Oh well, so I'll be level 166. Not so bad, since my Magic will be 99 and Def is 65. :D

From: JN13
Also No experience on monsters 30 levels under your current level!

Are you kidding me… That is going to ruin training and a half. No more chicken bots >.<

From: Runaway
Are you kidding me… That is going to ruin training and a half. No more chicken bots >.<

didn't i already say runescape is ruined? lol

bloody hell… jagex have screwed us

Wow, that's just stupid.

What about summoning and defence?

From: Chris
What about summoning and defence?

no summoning, no prayer, no hp lvls are included

Which is stupid, why change something so drastic when it's been in place for years?

idk, they said they wanted defense to have more of an effect, so i guess this is a way to represent that in the cb lvl. i really dont like the new 30 lvl rule though. no more armored zombies :/.

From: Kyle Undefined
Which is stupid, why change something so drastic when it's been in place for years?

Well, a reset would let them add more content. I think that's the driving factor, that and Jagex might have wow envy. The possiblity of 90+ equipment is nice. Also, armored zombies might be lvl 180 for all we know.

From: Kyle Undefined
Which is stupid, why change something so drastic when it's been in place for years?

because runescape is being changed to follow suit of most other rpg's the developers are now more focused on the WoW side of MMORPG's as they see runescape outdated in many ways, this is why they are adding an action bar, you might be interested to know that the next summoning update will add mounts too. yes stupid gay ride-able monsters.

runescape has died, why do you think all the item prices are dropping, people are quitting, veterans are dumping everything.

believe me when i say this runescape will be 100% different in 6 months, than what it was 6 months ago. i wouldn't be surprised if movement via clicking get's replaced with WASD too.

From: JN13
Wonder what will happen to NPC levels :) Also No experience on monsters 30 levels under your current level! Time to train.

It's 10% of the XP if the skill you are training is 30 levels above the combat level of the monster you fight, actually. If you are training multiple skills(ie defensive stance) then XP is calculates separately for each.

From: JN13
Wonder what will happen to NPC levels :) Also No experience on monsters 30 levels under your current level! Time to train.

I don't understand why they want to do this, it's just stupid…

How can a guy with 99 def and another 99 be the same combat level as another guy with all combat 99s. That doesn't make any sense :o

My second main is level 134 right now, and my main is level 101. Only trained summoning on my main to get it over 100 combat.

Gosh, I was really looking forward to being 138….. fml never gonna happen now

When is this going to be taken into effect? Anyone know?

From: JoeyGupta
When is this going to be taken into effect? Anyone know?

Estimates are late august from the official site. The beta is supposed to go for about 1.5 months. I hope they iron out something reasonable… O and by NPC levels I mean what levels do the NPC's have.

On a side note, They should make "examine monster" in the lunar spellbook tell you all the levels to account for all this sillyness :/

From: JoeyGupta
When is this going to be taken into effect? Anyone know?

next week!

From: JoeyGupta
When is this going to be taken into effect? Anyone know?

Yeah, is there a confirmed date?

Also yeah…PKing will be interesting now. You don't know if someone will have turmoil or not when you're going to kill them…but then again prayers are supposedly being changed?

This will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

Well it depends on how the beta goes but we're looking at a september/oct release

From: tico2
How can a guy with 99 def and another 99 be the same combat level as another guy with all combat 99s. That doesn't make any sense :o

According to Jagex those other 99s are irrelevant. I mean seriously… who uses prayer and summoning (not to mention the skills that don't contribute towards their combat level!)… pssh! It makes perfect sense… :spot:

Meh, Jagex logic :duh:

nothings set in stone yet there will be countless changes during the beta.

From: -Benny
Well it depends on how the beta goes but we're looking at a september/oct release

From the FAQ on the Combat page:

Q: When does the Beta end?
A: We anticipate the Beta finishing towards the end of August. However, the Beta will run as long as we need to ensure that the Evolution of Combat is ready for its full launch to the LIVE game!

Probably September.

From: JN13
From the FAQ on the Combat page:


Probably September.

Cheers for verifying!

Well pures will technically stay low combat, a maxed pure being 99+1+2 = 102 combat whereas a maxed main will be 200 combat.

GF tanks… :c

From: Texy
GF tanks… :c

That is exactly what I was thinking lol!

So we should expect this in August?
(Gillzo said next week?)

:thumbsup: for the Verification.

Late August is when you should expect this… So now.. I'll have two level 200s (Tank + Main) and a random Zerker… Okay…

lol i can see it now. a ranged tank (99 range + 99 def) being lvl 200. wants to train magic (why not, ur already max cb lvl), and has to train on monsters lvl 170+ using wind strike XD. talk about slow leveling.

owww My accounts will be fail with this udate. RIP Tanks, Zerker pures, barrows pures and dfs pures.

If Jagex does this, it will be time to quit :S

I dont see the point that someone that has 99 ranged and 99 def has the same combat as someone with all cb lvls at 99. It's really sad, jagex said that cb level after the cb update will show the real power of every player. I think it won't, just another fail update.

so dont bother training prayer at the moment???
What this just doesnt make sense…

For every action Jagex has, there is always a good response behind it…They don't do it for the sake of doing it.


I also think Jagex is investing so much time in changing combat up while there are other areas of the game that needs to be refined.

Lets look at a new skill rather changing up the combat system which is a huge change and can very well piss off many players….

Changing the combat system from RSC style to RSC2 pissed people off, but doing it again doesn't sound smart but they must have a good enough reason behind it all….

nice updates :):D

This sucks! i will make a few level 3 accounts to, and do some things with them and hope they get glitched at lvl 3 combat. Lets exploit the system!

f*ck this, i'm making a level 3 with 99 summoning and prayer and destroying everybody in the crucible

someone tell me its april 1st…
I thought combat rework was going to be really cool
but this…is sh*t
what type of prestige comes with being maxed combat…none

LOL. After reading all this it will def be time to quit. 10 years down the tube.

Does this mean the skiller's lvls will now be : 4.

From: 321
f*ck this, i'm making a level 3 with 99 summoning and prayer and destroying everybody in the crucible

LOL Crucible requirement is 60cmb. /fail

From: alexes
owww My accounts will be fail with this udate. RIP Tanks, Zerker pures, barrows pures and dfs pures.

If Jagex does this, it will be time to quit :S

I dont see the point that someone that has 99 ranged and 99 def has the same combat as someone with all cb lvls at 99. It's really sad, jagex said that cb level after the cb update will show the real power of every player. I think it won't, just another fail update.

Well think about it, a guy with 99 ranged and 99 defense only will do the same ranged damage as a guy with all stats maxed right? Theres some logic behind it atleast

….damn
ugh dont know how to react

Summoning and prayer have no affect on your CB level, so now I have no motivation to train either xD

So now, all pures will be getting 99 prayer since it doesn't effect their combat level and they can use it anyways? Does that mean the price of bones is going to skyrocket?

Well then…. My main and my range tank will be the same cb level? Jagex always has to go and "fix" stuff no one complained about.

whoever though of this new system should be really fired….

mod rathe says,

With the new level of balance we hope to bring to Melee, Range and Mage, and the reinforcement of the combat triangle, having 99 in Attack, Strength, Magic and Range won't provide you with an advantage over someone with only 99 in one corner of the combat triangle. Armours now feature heavy negative penalties for attacking with the wrong style while wearing them, so having 99's in all the corners of the combat triangle will not present an advantage during a fight. Where having 99's will be an advantage, is giving you the choice as to what style of combat you want to use before a fight.

From: Neznam
whoever though of this new system should be really fired….

Maybe it was jacmob

Lucky I maxed out my att stre def

READ THIS it will answer most of your questions http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?296,297,326,63795687,goto,1

Armour switching in combat will not be an effective tactic to employ, as when you switch some armour in combat, you will encur a double global cool-down across all your abilities, which will result in your damage output taking a serious hit in the short-term which will give quite an advantage to your opponent who will still be blasting away at you. GF hybridding

Pretty cool but ill never reach it anyway :)

Harry's Dragith Nurn Killer + Caotom's Rock Crab Trainer on my pure got me from 1 def and str to 40 in 2 days.
Jagex you don't phase me..

From: Ucantseemebot
Maybe it was jacmob

Jacmob works on the game engine, not game content.

Weird.. so lvl 3 (default) will now be? 4? (1 + 1 +2 = 4)

Personally I like the idea. It encourages players to have to train at places other than bandits or something similar. Even though I think it might be stupid that an almost max player killing green dragons may not gain any experience for killing them.

From: Hazzah
Personally I like the idea. It encourages players to have to train at places other than bandits or something similar. Even though I think it might be stupid that an almost max player killing green dragons may not gain any experience for killing them.

My big issue with this (and I do mean big) is for F2P training. The number of F2P monsters is already scarce, and there are only a few in any given level range. You'll be forced to train on one or two types of monsters, and it will be insanely crowded by the other players forced to train there as well.

Also popular P2P training methods will be severely affected. Considering that Constitution isn't factored into the new formula at all, Experiments will become Lv4.

Good fight Yaks :(

You guys don't know what level the monsters will be after the update. Stop freaking out.

1 def pure takes on a hole meaning.


99att/str/hp/range/magic/pray/summoning and 1 def would be the new pure….

From: noob king
You guys don't know what level the monsters will be after the update. Stop freaking out.

Assuming their stats don't change, we do have a good idea*. Experiments being the example, in order for their current combat level (Lv 25) to work they would have 1 Att/Str/Def and 100 Constitution. After the update, that would give them a combat level of 4. All of the low def, high HP monsters that are popular for training will recieve the same treatment once health is no longer factored into their CB level.

*We know the health of all monsters, and given their combat levels and weaknesses we can estimate the general range of their stats with the current formula. With Turmoil estimation we can get a pretty good idea of where each of their melee stats stand, and educated guesses can be taken at range/magic to make the combat level work.

From: noob king
You guys don't know what level the monsters will be after the update. Stop freaking out.

This. They obviously wouldn't leave the current levels of thing's, because the list of things to realistically train on would be so small.. I read somewhere that they were adjusting the combat levels of monsters to suit their power, so it would scale with our increased level.

Personally I don't think the new combat level formula is that great.. like honestly considering you can get max level with 99 in two skills, it's ridiculous but that's my only problem with it so far. I like where thing's are going, it's going to make PvM beast with the HP boost Armour gives, new bosses and more distinct combat roles, but its going to ruin PvP further.

I don't quite understand where they are going with this..
if 99att/str/hp/range/magic/pray/summoning and 1 def would be the same combat lv as someone with only one of those 99s and hybriding can't be done due to the drop in your offensive damage, you will just have to stand there and slog it out with someone and it will come down to who has the most/best food in a fight..

Not to mention people will only attack another person if they are clearly the other end of the combat triangle from them (i.e. rangers > mages or mages > melee etc.) because they know that they can't suddenly switch to another skill.

The only people this will benefit are those with 99 summ, 99pray with 99atk + str(or 99range/99mage).

Constitution definitely needs to be taken into account along with prayer and summoning, how can stats that affect your ability in PvP combat be excluded from the calculation of the "combat" level?

From: p1ng
Not to mention people will only attack another person if they are clearly the other end of the combat triangle from them (i.e. rangers > mages or mages > melee etc.) because they know that they can't suddenly switch to another skill.

This. This is my biggest problem with how this will affect PvP. It's going to become a game of rock/paper/scissors, but you already know what the other person is throwing beforehand and you can choose to play against them or not.

Well guys, I guess this means its time to buy 3M bones :)
this'll be fun!

It's to balance the combat triangle guys! If you are a meleer and are level 200 then you obviously hve at least 99 in one melee skill besides defence. If you see a mage that is level 200 then they are going to absolutely wreck you because they will probably have 99 Def and 99 mage making them your cb level. And same goes for the rest of the triangle.

I feel like this is the end of RS lmao. Not sure if you can still auto retaliate but combat isn't gonna be afkable anymore which is like almost every other game out there :P I just wished I 've gotten 99 slayer before this tbh xD

From: Fascinate
It's to balance the combat triangle guys! If you are a meleer and are level 200 then you obviously hve at least 99 in one melee skill besides defence. If you see a mage that is level 200 then they are going to absolutely wreck you because they will probably have 99 Def and 99 mage making them your cb level. And same goes for the rest of the triangle.

Yes, but by not being able to switch between skills (or hybrid) you are walking into the fight completely aware of what your opponent brings to the table, also it gives a mage/range/def tank the same merit as a player with maxed combat.

There's no incentive to train anything but def and one other skill and unless pking also no incentive to train prayer/summoning.

From: Kyle Undefined
Which is stupid, why change something so drastic when it's been in place for years?

It never made sense imo :p.

Abandon all your runes guys, much lesser rune costs apparently..

This is going to be good, except ALL Pures with a 99 stat will be the same level (1 defs = 101 CB), seems abit unfair,

So for example someone with these stats:
50atk
99str
1def
94maige
99range
80hp
52pray
72sum

Will be the same cb as someone with these stats:
99atk
99str
1def
99maige
99range
99hp
99pray
99sum

Seems legit…

From: ABC!
This is going to be good, except ALL Pures with a 99 stat will be the same level (1 defs = 101 CB), seems abit unfair,

So for example someone with these stats:
50atk
99str
1def
94maige
99range
80hp
52pray
72sum

Will be the same cb as someone with these stats:
99atk
99str
1def
99maige
99range
99hp
99pray
99sum

Seems legit…

So I'm guessing pures will still work, just need to train a bit more first. >.<

From: TehNeonFishy
So I'm guessing pures will still work, just need to train a bit more first. >.<

Won't work at all :/

If you have low defence Jagex stated you will get wrecked by someone with 99 atk str and Def. They also said that pures weren't supposed to even be in the game in the first place and the game wasn't going to revolve around them.