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Hello everyone!
Back again with another workout/diet/etc.
After I stopped insanity I tried to ramp it up with a P90x Combo but really just got bored of P90x part of the week (Insanity was fun, P90x drags and is easy in comparison)

I gained some weight back due to no exercise for 2 months (Aprox.)
I weigh 174 at the moment (Used to weigh 180-185, in feb of 2012) I weighed 165 at the end of insanity in april (So I gained back about 10 pounds out of the 15-20 I lost)

I really am not too disheartened about this as I did lose a significant amount of muscle mass the last time I did insanity, so I was able to gain most of it back.

Goals

• Lose FAT not MUSCLE
• Get down to 10% body fat
• Be more energetic
• Build LEAN muscle

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The last month I did month one of insanity again (Just to reintroduce my body to it, did not diet) I actually gained 4 pounds -.-… haha.

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What I plan on doing!
Hydroxycut HardCore Elite - 2 Pills Daily (5 AM)
Insanity - Month two (5:20 AM)
Whey Protein - 1 scoop - 140 Calories (6:10 AM)
Green Tea with matcha (6:30 AM)
English Muffin/I can't believe its not butter - 145 calories (6:30 AM)
Snacks - 230 Calories (9-12 AM)
400-500 Calorie Lunch (12-2 PM)
Steamed Vegetables 75 Calories (5-6 PM)
200-400 Calorie Dinner (7-9 PM)
Dumbbell Workout (9-10 PM)
Casein Protein - DID NOT BUY YET/may not. (10:30 PM)

UPDATED LIST OF SUPPLEMENTS! 6/22/2012

Take 3 Hydroxycut Pro Series
Take 2 Kre-Alkalyn Buffered Creatine
Workout
Protein Shake
Go to school etc. etc.
Another 3 Hydroxycut Pro series (These you can take up to 6 a day, not like the elite which I thought I had till I went to the store today -.-)
Do another Strength training workout
Sleep: Repeat: Till success

Why?
I take Hydroxycut because I heard it works really well in boosting energy and helping cut down.
Insanity because I love it.
Whey Protein to help keep the muscle I have, and prevent muscle break down (Which happens BEFORE fat breakdown unless prevented)
Green Tea with Matcha - I like green tea + Matcha is a herbal metabolic booster.
I like food
Dumbbell workout as mentioned before to help maintain the muscle I have/not lose it.
If I do get the Casein Protein it is for the before mentioned Muscle Loss Prevention (Casein is a slow protein meaning it will help me while I am sleeping where there is little muscle use)

Thanks for reading, I will keep this updated with how I feel on things/weigh ins etc.

Day 3 (Monday was Day 1)
Pretty good, kind of excited to see how much I weigh on sunday! Pills are giving me energy no jitters, uhhh all is good :) ate 935 cals so far today, going for 1500.

Day 4
Today was a lot of fun, I did the workout at 5 today (So much energy, was bouncing then did 40/20/10/5 pushups (Tiring!) then used my 20 pound weights for everything else. All in all was a lot of fun.

I am attempting an IF today/tomorrow (Last time I ate was at 2:30 today, so tomorrow 2:30pm will be 24 hours!)

Day 5!
Interesting so I hit up the local workout supplement store and talked to a REP about weight loss medications he told me the drug I am using right now really isn't the best on the market they just have great advertising and it will probably work a little but not to the extent I probably want to see. He told me to buy OxyElite (He told me to buy something else first but told me it doesn't have an app suppressant in it *Was cheaper* then he just said get OxyElite then)

Anyway I said I will after I finish my Hydroxycut HardCore Pro series bottle.

I feel great, at 850 calories so far today I even went to taco bell! (Nacho burrito) so good only like 450 calories.
Oh..I also ate half a soft shell taco.. I need to record that :P (Sorry mental note) Okay so like 1000 calories today then so far!

Dinner is all I have left hoping to keep myself under 1500 today/tomorrow so my weigh in will be under 170! (The goal is 10% body fat which is around 155 for me)

oh also anyone know if regular calipers work for bodyfat percentage finding?

Day 6!
Woo, I am pumped! Great GREAT workout this morning, I took 3 Hydroxycut Pills (I decided to take the full dosage of 6 per day, just to get it done and move onto OxyElite Pro)
I weighed in today 171 :) (4 pounds lost in a week)

I except to gain weight, but still get cut so I am rather excited :p

Day 8
Oh the pain, I went to the gym and worked my legs like crazy.. I didn't feel it yesterday (The day after I went to the gym) but today I feel it like crazy!
Today I am going to the gym to do upperbody, I just did insanity earlier (Month two is a pain, totally forgot how bad it is!) Oh and I feel 100% fine on the OxyElite pro and the Kre-Alykine (Not really sure if they are working, because I don't feel anything)

Wow dude, loving this, keep me posted and i want to know how Hydroxycut works and if it gives any side effects such as bad acne!

Well done!

From: -Benny
Wow dude, loving this, keep me posted and i want to know how Hydroxycut works and if it gives any side effects such as bad acne!

Well done!

Ah I can't really say much about if it will give someone Acne (I can't really get acne anymore, or bad acne anymore.) I will keep you updated on other side effects/if any though!

If you really want cut down and get lean, at your 5am wake up, do a 30 min moderate cardio session, just with your tabs n a glass of water, avoid salts and dressings with meals! Good thing your counting calories as it makes a significant increase / decrease, in your case. Casein Protein, should do the trick as you stated its time 'formulated' not sure how that works exactly but it allows a slow release, if its gonna break the bank normal whey shake wouldn't do you any harm, as the body's metabolism does slow down heaps, n relies mainly on fats. All the best with your loss/gains in the future :).

From: Jonno
If you really want cut down and get lean, at your 5am wake up, do a 30 min moderate cardio session, just with your tabs n a glass of water, avoid salts and dressings with meals! Good thing your counting calories as it makes a significant increase / decrease, in your case. Casein Protein, should do the trick as you stated its time 'formulated' not sure how that works exactly but it allows a slow release, if its gonna break the bank normal whey shake wouldn't do you any harm, as the body's metabolism does slow down heaps, n relies mainly on fats. All the best with your loss/gains in the future :).

Ah I don't like moderate workouts :p I just never feel like doing them, feel like I am wasting time. I do insanity though which is an extreme cardio workout (40-50 minutes)

How you want to build muscle with around 1500 calories?

You will end being just a smaller version of yourself…yea…with fat and less muscle..

Also any source of protein will make you "help keep the muscle you have" you don't have to consume only whey/casein for that purpose…. 150 gr of lean boiled fish have the same protein as 1 scoop and will satisfy you more..

1500 Calories and 2 workouts per day, the only thing you will be lossing if you do that is muscle….hope you read more about the subject and don't go starve yourself to death.

Also if you really want to go and have such a big calorie deficit try doing a refeed once a week or you will be having a really bad time…

I see posts like this, and not to hate or anything, cus I would be fat too, but my whole family is thin. Even the worst of us. I'm at like 2.5% fat (I'm not like super skinny cus of a little muscle ) :D I guess weight does also depend on your genes too.

From: R4nd0m
Ah I don't like moderate workouts :p I just never feel like doing them, feel like I am wasting time. I do insanity though which is an extreme cardio workout (40-50 minutes)

They are the good ones your missing out on! Do you know of measuring exercise intensity?

From: dude1994
I see posts like this, and not to hate or anything, cus I would be fat too, but my whole family is thin. Even the worst of us. I'm at like 2.5% fat (I'm not like super skinny cus of a little muscle ) :D I guess weight does also depend on your genes too.

If you were "like" 2.5 fat% you would be dead rofl.

Lowest when people compete is around 3.5%+ bf

From: zsand
How you want to build muscle with around 1500 calories?

You will end being just a smaller version of yourself…yea…with fat and less muscle..

Also any source of protein will make you "help keep the muscle you have" you don't have to consume only whey/casein for that purpose…. 150 gr of lean boiled fish have the same protein as 1 scoop and will satisfy you more..

1500 Calories and 2 workouts per day, the only thing you will be lossing if you do that is muscle….hope you read more about the subject and don't go starve yourself to death.

Honestly it's not about bulking up, it's mostly cutting while preserving the muscle I have. I know protein is protein but it's simply far more time conserving/simple to shake a shake and drink then boil/eat/buy fish. (protein after workout is when I'd like my whey as well)

Oh I thought I mentioned it, yeah I cheat every Sunday :p (love my cheat day, makes me feel great and gives me the drive for the next week)

Also 10% is clearly visible abs, so 2.5% would be like anorexic skeleton >.<

From: R4nd0m
Honestly it's not about bulking up, it's mostly cutting while preserving the muscle I have. I know protein is protein but it's simply far more time conserving/simple to shake a shake and drink then boil/eat/buy fish. (protein after workout is when I'd like my whey as well)

Oh I thought I mentioned it, yeah I cheat every Sunday :p (love my cheat day, makes me feel great and gives me the drive for the next week)

Also 10% is clearly visible abs, so 2.5% would be like anorexic skeleton >.<

Good that you are doing a "cheat" day, also the protein part was becuase will make you be "full" for a little more time than a shake :p

The first time I went to a contest my only meal on rest days were 10 scoops of whey fish oil and a multivitamin and i felt hungry 24/7 lol.

But yea even when cutting it's a really low amount of calories, hope your cheat day is at least 3000 calories, or your leptin and testosterone will be mad and you will pay the price in the long term, good luck.

Also 2.5% bf = dead body, lowest bf a body can have is around 3% otherwise you using the fat that protect the organs = dead body lol.

From: zsand
Good that you are doing a "cheat" day, also the protein part was becuase will make you be "full" for a little more time than a shake :p

The first time I went to a contest my only meal on rest days were 10 scoops of whey fish oil and a multivitamin and i felt hungry 24/7 lol.

But yea even when cutting it's a really low amount of calories, hope your cheat day is at least 3000 calories, or your leptin and testosterone will be mad and you will pay the price in the long term, good luck.

Also 2.5% bf = dead body, lowest bf a body can have is around 3% otherwise you using the fat that protect the organs = dead body lol.

On cheat days I go crazy :P, I normally ramp around 3000-5000 calories, and normally still continue to lose weight in the upcoming week (I did the cheat day the last time I did insanity and lost 15 pounds :) but last time the only protein I ate was chicken about 3 times a week… I paid for that :P )

Damn I can't imagine how stressful competitions are (Nice work!, I am impressed with people who actually have the ability to withstand and compete)

You say your calories, but you're not saying types of food. What are your marcos? Gaining/losing starts when you're in the kitchen. If you are serious about becoming healthier, contact a nutritionist or diet consult.

From: chris91
You say your calories, but you're not saying types of food. What are your marcos? Gaining/losing starts when you're in the kitchen. If you are serious about becoming healthier, contact a nutritionist or diet consult.

It varies about what I have in the kitchen mostly OG beef/Fish with greens, I am not too concerned about the Macros yet, when I near the goal and have plateaued I will start worrying. (I know for a fact I will see progress with just watching calories, done it before and it has worked so until I get to the point where it doesn't work I will not worry :) )

From: R4nd0m
On cheat days I go crazy :P, I normally ramp around 3000-5000 calories, and normally still continue to lose weight in the upcoming week (I did the cheat day the last time I did insanity and lost 15 pounds :) but last time the only protein I ate was chicken about 3 times a week… I paid for that :P )

Damn I can't imagine how stressful competitions are (Nice work!, I am impressed with people who actually have the ability to withstand and compete)

Thanks, and if you hit a plateau before you reach 10% just pm me, there are a lot of natural and smart ways to kill the plateaus like:

-Carb/fat cycling
-Calorie cycling
-Refeeds
-Intermittent Fasting

If you want more information in any of those i can provide you with links so you can have some fun reading and tweak your diet/training to achieve your goals.

Also a main point to mantain the most muscle mass while cutting is mantaining strength, if you notice yourself lossing strength you need to check your diet/training again.

Good luck. :)

chill zsand, theres plenty of ripped people who have different opinions on fitness.

CrossFit is a fun one if you don't want to do p90x :).

But they tend to be crazy low carbers. You will have to shunn them.

But yeah IF (Intermittent Fasting) is a really nice tool if you want to use it :). I find i get really good control over my diet if I do IF.

EDIT: oh I totally misread your post and though u were fighting.

From: Metagen
chill zsand, theres plenty of ripped people who have different opinions on fitness.

CrossFit is a fun one if you don't want to do p90x :).

But they tend to be crazy low carbers. You will have to shunn them.

But yeah IF (Intermittent Fasting) is a really nice tool if you want to use it :). I find i get really good control over my diet if I do IF.

EDIT: oh I totally misread your post and though u were fighting.

No no he was helping me! :)
IF, I will look into it! thanks

Do this.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer.html

http://www.ergo-log.com/heavystrengthtrainingburns.html

:) It just steals sugar all day long :)

Im rooting for you! Make sure you drink a lot of water broseph!

From: Nebula
Do this.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer.html

I don't have a gym membership at the moment, and I don't plan on renewing soon (I cancelled, and to renew it would cost me membership + $30 USD for just a month till I have to cancel and pay the canceling feel again) Also being that jacked just isn't me, I mean it would be awesome but I know for a fact there is NO WAY I could maintain that body for an indefinite period of time. (EctoMorphic genes, so if I did gain that body I would be eating a salary)

From: Metagen
http://www.ergo-log.com/heavystrengthtrainingburns.html

:) It just steals sugar all day long :)

Yes! I do high intensity exercise with short intervals of breaks (Insanity) The weights are also pretty high intensity just lighter (I want to go buy heavier weights! Don't really want to spend $80 though)

From: JoeyGupta
Im rooting for you! Make sure you drink a lot of water broseph!

Thank you! I try my best :)
2 (20 oz) water bottles
2 Cups worth of Green Tea
5 glasses of water throughout the rest of the day haha (I need more, I know >.<)

Day 3 (Monday was Day 1)
Pretty good, kind of excited to see how much I weigh on sunday! Pills are giving me energy no jitters, uhhh all is good :) ate 935 cals so far today, going for 1500.

I suggest looking up Super Squats. It's an old school workout that builds insane amount of muscle. If done correctly, you can gain anywhere from .5-1lb of muscle A WORKOUT. It's not for the faint of heart, since the entire theory behind it is to literally break down and defeat your physical barriers every workout.

Basically it goes like this: Workout monday, wednesday, friday, sat/sunday rest

Do a 20x1 set of squats using your 10 rep max. Yes, that is correct, 20 reps of your 10 rep max. Between each rep you take 3-6 DEEP LUNG BUSTING breaths, then as you get past 10 reps, take as many breaths as you need, that's how you gain muscle, and go past the 10 reps.

After that set, lay down on a bench and do a 3x10 set of pull overs. This NEEDS to be a light weight, nothing at all over 25lbs, since this exercise is purely to stretch your rib cage.

After that stretch, and if you did the squats right, your legs should be jelly, and you might want to puke, this is a good thing ;) and now it's time for the fun part. Do a 3x10 super set of Bent over Rows, Bench Press, and Over Head Press using the same consistant weight, I use 45 pounds for these. Since your body is already past its limit trying to keep the squat bar stable, this should be really hard to do.

Next workout, add 5-10 pounds to the squat bar. You WILL be able to do it if your mind is strong enough, and that's the key to the workout, trust me :)

sauce: http://www.ironworkout.com/20_rep_squat.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Super-Squats-Pounds-Muscle-Weeks/dp/0926888005

ps: A good secret is to drink a gallon of milk a workout(~half gallon a day). You need the extra protiens/fats

Or you can just work out reverse-pyramid style, and gain 0.5lb of muscle without doing rediculously high reps.

And not dread going to the gym every day

Ah I really want to try the super squat, damn me and my inability to buy Gym membership (would cost me nearly $100 for one and a half months, not worth it personally)

E: Since all I own are two 20 pound dumbbells, I will just do a reverse pyramid (as mentioned above) but at high reps.
30-20-10-5 x2

I will be resting since I dont have lighter weights. (Well.. I do have two 10's but..)

From: R4nd0m
Ah I really want to try the super squat, damn me and my inability to buy Gym membership (would cost me nearly $100 for one and a half months, not worth it personally)

E: Since all I own are two 20 pound dumbbells, I will just do a reverse pyramid (as mentioned above) but at high reps.
30-20-10-5 x2

I will be resting since I dont have lighter weights. (Well.. I do have two 10's but..)

Do you have a back yard/ any open space? You can buy a really nice squat rack and bench for ~$150.

From: Awkwardsaw
Do you have a back yard/ any open space? You can buy a really nice squat rack and bench for ~$150.

^This is so true.

Also, make sure you balance your fitness training lol. Add a lot of running/Bicycling to it.

OverallFitness:=Running + Water; :spot:

From: Awkwardsaw
Do you have a back yard/ any open space? You can buy a really nice squat rack and bench for ~$150.

Yes I do! but I don't think I will be buying one, as I will basically use it for 2 months then never again as I go off to college for 6 years etc.

From: JoeyGupta
^This is so true.

Also, make sure you balance your fitness training lol. Add a lot of running/Bicycling to it.

OverallFitness:=Running + Water; :spot:

Insanity is my cardio! :D I love water.
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Today was a lot of fun, I did the workout at 5 today (So much energy, was bouncing then did 40/20/10/5 pushups (Tiring!) then used my 20 pound weights for everything else. All in all was a lot of fun.

I am attempting an IF today/tomorrow (Last time I ate was at 2:30 today, so tomorrow 2:30pm will be 24 hours!)

From: R4nd0m
Yes I do! but I don't think I will be buying one, as I will basically use it for 2 months then never again as I go off to college for 6 years etc.



Insanity is my cardio! :D I love water.
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Today was a lot of fun, I did the workout at 5 today (So much energy, was bouncing then did 40/20/10/5 pushups (Tiring!) then used my 20 pound weights for everything else. All in all was a lot of fun.

I am attempting an IF today/tomorrow (Last time I ate was at 2:30 today, so tomorrow 2:30pm will be 24 hours!)

Im…So…Proud of you!
:thumbsup: for the 1.5k calorie limit!
BTW, how are you balancing your diet? (Protein/carbs/Vegies/Meats.etc.)-Any certain routine?

Nude pics pl0x.

From: JoeyGupta
Im…So…Proud of you!
:thumbsup: for the 1.5k calorie limit!
BTW, how are you balancing your diet? (Protein/carbs/Vegies/Meats.etc.)-Any certain routine?

Thank you :P, I am doing higher protein less carbs more Vegies, trying to lower excessive meat consumption.

So I failed the IF :P

then try again :D. Drink water!

It's not like you fail once and ruin everything. Just keep remembering that there is no better way out there, no more comfortable way. There is no point in failing permanently. Tomorrow you can try again.

Good luck! I will also try to lose some weight during this summer. Will mainly run tho, around 30-35 m per day and try to eat a bit healthier.

From: Metagen
then try again :D. Drink water!

It's not like you fail once and ruin everything. Just keep remembering that there is no better way out there, no more comfortable way. There is no point in failing permanently. Tomorrow you can try again.

Thanks! I think the biggest problem I had was massive free time (I believe if I do this on a Wednesday-Thursday I may have better success as Wednesday nights are when I have LOTS of course assignments.

From: weeps
Good luck! I will also try to lose some weight during this summer. Will mainly run tho, around 30-35 m per day and try to eat a bit healthier.

Great! Anything is better than nothing :)
And thank you!


Day 5!
Interesting so I hit up the local workout supplement store and talked to a REP about weight loss medications he told me the drug I am using right now really isn't the best on the market they just have great advertising and it will probably work a little but not to the extent I probably want to see. He told me to buy OxyElite (He told me to buy something else first but told me it doesn't have an app suppressant in it *Was cheaper* then he just said get OxyElite then)

Anyway I said I will after I finish my Hydroxycut HardCore Pro series bottle.

I feel great, at 850 calories so far today I even went to taco bell! (Nacho burrito) so good only like 450 calories.
Oh..I also ate half a soft shell taco.. I need to record that :P (Sorry mental note) Okay so like 1000 calories today then so far!

Dinner is all I have left hoping to keep myself under 1500 today/tomorrow so my weigh in will be under 170! (The goal is 10% body fat which is around 155 for me)

oh also anyone know if regular calipers work for bodyfat percentage finding?

This one is for the energetic level: arginine & coffein
I take it 1 hour before the workout and it gives a really strong energetic boost. I tried a lot of supplements that increases the energy, but arginine is the strongest imo. (strongest legal supp)
I experienced even mental effects like motivation, but it might be placebo.

I read you wrote matcha, I didn't look it up but is is the same as "maca"? I didn't try such natural "testo boosters", how is it going?

good luck
and we need those progress pics man :P

From: Gala
This one is for the energetic level: arginine & coffein
I take it 1 hour before the workout and it gives a really strong energetic boost. I tried a lot of supplements that increases the energy, but arginine is the strongest imo. (strongest legal supp)
I experienced even mental effects like motivation, but it might be placebo.

I read you wrote matcha, I didn't look it up but is is the same as "maca"? I didn't try such natural "testo boosters", how is it going?

Def not the same, matcha is not a testo booster (My sister uses it as well :P). It is a metabolic booster, well it claims to be.
Really I don't notice much of a difference from it, (the tea I buy has a VERY small amount of it)

Yeah I will put up some pics if I ever achieve 10% :P

Sorry for double post but this is important enough that it shouldn't be merged :P (Plus we gain no post count here)
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The new supplements list (dun dun dun)
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Wake up in the morning feeling like ..a piece of crap:
Take 2 Hydroxycut Pro Series
Take 2 Creatine Pills (These are the best GNC had to offer, or so I heard)
Work my ass off: Insanity
Go to school etc. etc.
Come back take another 2 Hydroxycut Pro series (These you can take up to 6 a day, not like the elite which I thought I had till I went to the store today -.-)
Do another Strength training workout

Sleep: Repeat: Till success
I hope creatine works for me, I heard it is hit or miss.

I love to see people getting involved with steady work-outs & routines like this. :thumbsup: Sounds like you're hitting it hard, keep it up friend, keep pushing yourself.

May I ask what kind of creatine do you take? Creatine monohydrate?

Good luck!

From: Flight
I love to see people getting involved with steady work-outs & routines like this. :thumbsup: Sounds like you're hitting it hard, keep it up friend, keep pushing yourself.

Thank you!

From: Gala
May I ask what kind of creatine do you take? Creatine monohydrate?

Good luck!

I am taking 2 Kre-Alkalyn Buffered Creatine, which is basically monohydrate in a shuttle and it is perfectly PH balanced so no bloating and no loading. My body gets flooded and works right away. The supplement guy told me I should see pretty decent visible changes within two weeks.

Day 6!
Woo, I am pumped! Great GREAT workout this morning, I took 3 Hydroxycut Pills (I decided to take the full dosage of 6 per day, just to get it done and move onto OxyElite Pro)
I weighed in today 171 :) (4 pounds lost in a week)

I except to gain weight, but still get cut so I am rather excited :p

Kre-Alkalyn is a good product, but you can't take it permanently (Although they say so)
I hope you will take it just for few weeks and make a break after that.

Source: I experienced problems with my kidneys after a longterm use of KreA.

I was too lazy to read any of the other posts. If you are looking for good supplements you should check out http://truenutrition.com/ they offer 100% clean products, great protein, great prices. A lot of the supplements that are out today, they have, you just need to look at the ingredients. With this being said, get your diet together then supplement.

You can check out research chemical site, they usally have clen for around 25 dollars and can last for about a year or so.

From: Gala
Kre-Alkalyn is a good product, but you can't take it permanently (Although they say so)
I hope you will take it just for few weeks and make a break after that.

Source: I experienced problems with my kidneys after a longterm use of KreA.

I plan on cycling it, 4 weeks on it then 4 weeks off etc.

So yesterday I ate a little too much I believe: About 2200 calories (Went to a party)
Oh well!

TODAY IS CHEAT DAY! WOOOT

Don't worry, the 2200 calories + cheat day will keep your leptin up for a pair of days, remember try to not eat much fat on cheat day, i know it's hard to do lol, I failed so many times when first I implemented them, try going really high carb, medium protein and low fat, if you think it's hard just eat lots of ice cream, thats what i do lol.

2200 is maintenance for me :)

Btw try out Purple Wraith.. its a BCAA thing… check out lean gains supplements guide

www.leangains.com

I just ordered myself some to try :). I dunno how rich you are <.<

I don't suppose you live in Ottawa, and want to be my workout buddy? :D

Wow congrats, a cheat day. You get to negate the progress you've made.

From: zsand
Don't worry, the 2200 calories + cheat day will keep your leptin up for a pair of days, remember try to not eat much fat on cheat day, i know it's hard to do lol, I failed so many times when first I implemented them, try going really high carb, medium protein and low fat, if you think it's hard just eat lots of ice cream, thats what i do lol.

:D I think I ate around 3500 calories today.
@Nebula, I don't really understand how it works either but when I implement one of these in I still lose weight + Feel satisfied for the upcoming week.

Hmm Day 7
This is interesting, so I took oxyelite pro and really don't feel anything. With the hydroxycut I at least felt my heart race and energy spike but with OxyElite Pro I don't feel that I don't even feel full but I don't feel hungry like my mind is just content. I had to remind myself to eat today, (Literally).

Oxyelite pro works unbelievably well. It cut me down + a friend of mine.. My friend did no exercise + smoked and drinked and binged on crap but kept taking oxyelite.. 3 weeks later he had a 6 pack popping up and looking fresh :)
just keep at it and increase water uptake because oxyelite kills your water levels

After and before pics ;)

~Home

From: -Benny
Oxyelite pro works unbelievably well. It cut me down + a friend of mine.. My friend did no exercise + smoked and drinked and binged on crap but kept taking oxyelite.. 3 weeks later he had a 6 pack popping up and looking fresh :)
just keep at it and increase water uptake because oxyelite kills your water levels

+ Creatine, guess I better start drinking 1 gallon a day >.<.
Thanks for the positive feedback everyone, and when I do eventually get to my goals I will post the pictures I have.

Note on Creatine: If you are dieting AND taking Craetine you might not notice results as fast on the scale. This is because Creatine increases the amount of water retained between your cells.

So just be aware of that if the scale doesn't move but you are doing it allll right.

I've heard recommendations that it is best to start taking once you want to increase strength and maintain lean-ness, just because that way you will have gotten to feel proud of your scale numbers decreasing every day.

From: Metagen
Note on Creatine: If you are dieting AND taking Craetine you might not notice results as fast on the scale. This is because Creatine increases the amount of water retained between your cells.

So just be aware of that if the scale doesn't move but you are doing it allll right.

I've heard recommendations that it is best to start taking once you want to increase strength and maintain lean-ness, just because that way you will have gotten to feel proud of your scale numbers decreasing every day.

I don't mind the scale, I like looking in the mirror :P and slowly watching parts of my body become slightly more cut as the days go by. (Any love handle I had is gone now, which is a plus! )

Take some jack3d before your workout. That will get you pumped (lawl). Ha but seriously I'm doing p90x right now. My main goal is to get a six pack (I have it I just need to lose some fat. I know this because I can see it when I flex). Good luck bromophobe!

Day 8
Oh the pain, I went to the gym and worked my legs like crazy.. I didn't feel it yesterday (The day after I went to the gym) but today I feel it like crazy!
Today I am going to the gym to do upperbody, I just did insanity earlier (Month two is a pain, totally forgot how bad it is!)

Day 11
So I weighed in today at 170, I REALLY hope I am not losing muscle I feel like I am slightly more cut but I also feel like that little bottom two ab gut is still there and prevalent as ever!

Honestly I feel nothing at all when I take oxyelite pro, most people at least feel energy I feel nothing!

keep it up.

From: Metagen
Note on Creatine: If you are dieting AND taking Craetine you might not notice results as fast on the scale. This is because Creatine increases the amount of water retained between your cells.

So just be aware of that if the scale doesn't move but you are doing it allll right.

I've heard recommendations that it is best to start taking once you want to increase strength and maintain lean-ness, just because that way you will have gotten to feel proud of your scale numbers decreasing every day.

That's just like saying if you eat ~120g of carbs a day you wont lose weight as fast as someone who eats ~50g of carbs and has a cheat meal at the end of the week.

Creatine is good for a cut, or a bulk. It's mainly for the strength boost, and the MINIMAL actual water weight that it gives is extremely small. It's just enough to keep your body looking full, and not flat.

Edit:

Good luck on your goal man. I'm a personal trainer, so if you need any knowledge on anything (goes for anyone on the forums), just send me a pm and I'll be more than willing to help.

Edit 2:

If you're taking Hydroxy, you should boost your dosage to 2 pills before breakfast and 2 pills before lunch. Take the max dosage on any thermogenic fat burner out there because your body will always want more and more. This is probably why you don't feel anything when you take yours because you should feel the thermogenesis after the 2nd dosage.

To get the best results you should drink your protein shake 30 minutes before you exercise. Thats just what my trainers tell me and i have gotten more results that way than drinking after exercising. Hope this helps!

From: FuturenavySEAL
To get the best results you should drink your protein shake 30 minutes before you exercise. Thats just what my trainers tell me and i have gotten more results that way than drinking after exercising. Hope this helps!

Not true. Nutrient timing has nothing to do with anything. Many people have experienced better workouts on empty stomachs(Like those on intermittent fasting), or those who workout at night after eating their meals. It all depends on personal preference. Protein shakes aren't even mandatory, just a supplement. It's much more suggested and cheaper to actually have 4 oz of chicken, 4 oz of steak, or 4 oz of fish, and you'll get the same protein. Gym trainers will push protein on people to meet their quota. But if that works for you, that's good.

Idk if this is illegal, but alanaragonblog.com is written by the best nutritionist in the country, and it's got all the debunks to those nutrition myths that everyone seems to believe. It's worth checking out if you're looking to get your diet straight and maximize your potential.

Thanks for the tip F33ny!
I personally don't have the time to drink a protein shake before my workout (I workout when I wake up, no later and don't have time to do it later either)