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This is stupid.

Video dude: Why haven't you killed yourself? You don't believe there is anything past death.

Answerer: Because there's nothing afterward. Why would I consign myself to nothingness before I have to?

Wouldn't that be the most obvious answer to that question if it randomly popped into someone's head? This video is a thinly veiled message of "Your stupid for not believing so go kill yourself."

Its retarded, he's basically saying, you have to believe in order for death to be accepted to you. Death is death it can happen anytime, whether you go to heaven or get re-carnated no one will know because no one can prove it.

Hence why religion is a belief. I liked this comment on the video

"I totally get what you mean, because when I go see a movie, I usually leave after 5 minutes, because I know it's going to end at some point anyway"

He asks why haven't atheists killed themselves based on memories? Well maybe you're right, we won't remember anything when we're dead, but I believe what counts is how others remember us. Did we make a mark in history? What did we do to put our name down in books? Was it enough to impact the life of someone else, preferably in a positive way.

From what I hear, he is saying that if you have the ability to remember, then there is no way you could ever forget the life that you have lived. Hence when you die, your memory lives on somehow therefore implying that there is a life after death.

As for killing yourself if you are an atheist, that's just another extreme that might be subtly foreshadowing some other aspect to his rant.

From: Flight
He asks why haven't atheists killed themselves based on memories? Well maybe you're right, we won't remember anything when we're dead, but I believe what counts is how others remember us. Did we make a mark in history? What did we do to put our name down in books? Was it enough to impact the life of someone else, preferably in a positive way.

Why do you want to be remembered for others if you won't know or see it.

I think that is more important live the life without thinking what will happen after dead… Just be fun, enjoy the day get good friends and get a nice family.

No need to be remembered, many people to be remembered justs destroys their life.

For me the most important is enjoy life and don't cre about anything else.

Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

If only it was that easy…we should devise a plan!

But it is that easy. Taking a few sips of antifreeze will get you right up there. And it tastes good too. (Note: Antifreeze, while tasting sweet, is poisonous and lethal. Don't drink it.)

He really can't see beyond the end of his nose, can he? "If atheist don't believe in heaven, why not kill yourself?" Well if you believe in heaven, why not kill yourself?

It make more sense, since you get eternal happiness (heaven) in return.

Why in my right mind, would I end the only thing I got (life) to get nothing (death).
On the other hand, religious people have all the reasons to kill themself because life stand in their way to eternal happiness (heaven).

Yet he is the one suggesting we should kill ourself.
How stupid can you get?

When the video started, I had my sound off, and I wasn't sure if this was a female with a mustache, or just a very feminine male… I soon found out that it didn't matter because they were slightly slow.

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

But most religions have a rule against suicide so that the gates of Heaven don't get too crowded, you know.

Yeh most religion's state if you commit suicide then you are going to go to hell.. lol

Phil 1:19 "Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, 19for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.d 20I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. 21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! 23I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. 25Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, 26so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me."

There's a few other verses about it, but pretty much as far as a Christian is concerned, yes you should much rather be in heaven, but you are called to bring His name to the ends of the earth and to make disciples of all nations. I always encourage people to read for yourself in the Bible about who Jesus actually was and how he lived. If he was just a man, he was one crazy dude.

That being said, we can all agree that what this guy is saying is just stupid. People (not just "religious") say dumb things sometimes (especially over the internet).

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

It is considered cheating.

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

Its cause it's a sin, and could have consequences after.

Maybe atheist don't think God is real but the closest thing to God is infinite intelligence, and that is real. 100%

I wonder how many religous people would kill themself if they were allowed to do it.
We would really see if they actualy believe those stories they read in their precious book.

Also if you don't want to sin by killing yourself, you could always take part in dangerous activties and that would be alright. Like, become a Alaskan Crab Fisherman (most dangerous job in the world), dangerous hoobies like motorcycle racing, live in a dangerous city with very high crime rate.

From: Dragonrider
Maybe atheist don't think God is real but the closest thing to God is infinite intelligence, and that is real. 100%

No evidence suggest this, beside you saying it does, and we all know this isn't evidence.

From: Dragonrider
Maybe atheist don't think God is real but the closest thing to God is infinite intelligence, and that is real. 100%

The closest thing to God in my opinion would be life itself

Must be a member of the westboro baptist church.

From: Psychonaut
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this guy is a f***-tard. i hope some athiest kills himself after pming him for his "methods of killing youself that'll make it look like you just died" and the court finds him 100% responcible for they're death.

this guy prob didnt like the way his athiest daddy touched him

From: sir eska eau
I wonder how many religous people would kill themself if they were allowed to do it.
We would really see if they actualy believe those stories they read in their precious book.

Also if you don't want to sin by killing yourself, you could always take part in dangerous activties and that would be alright. Like, become a Alaskan Crab Fisherman (most dangerous job in the world), dangerous hoobies like motorcycle racing, live in a dangerous city with very high crime rate.




No evidence suggest this, beside you saying it does, and we all know this isn't evidence.

You called?

From: Sin
You called?

Thought I'd slot this in here while I could: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9043813/Temple-for-atheists-provokes-row-among-non-believers.html

It's basically an article where this guy wants to build a temple for atheists.

Agree or disagree?

Lol a temple for non believer.

I agree with Dawkins, you'd be better off spending that money on school and education than to build a temple for non-believer. (the same goes for church but oh well I'm not religious like them so I guess they got priority somewhere else)

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

taking your own life is considered a sin, so they wouldn't end up in heaven.

From: cookies1
taking your own life is considered a sin, so they wouldn't end up in heaven.

Sin does not = hell. If you are talking about Christianity, the Bible teaches that sin deserves death/hell - why Jesus had to die. Only pretty clear thing about Hell is due to non belief in Jesus - Mark 16:16

The Bible does not explicitly say that suicide = Hell. Most of what you hear has to due with Catholic tradition/Catholicism in general, although there is a stretttched possible argument from the text. But yeah, not sure if any other denominations have that theological view, I know I don't.

I don't need to belive in something after death in order to have a reason for living..

Counter question #2: How come people thinks about Atheists as "Big-bang-believers" or "sinners from hell" or whatever when "Being Atheist" simply means that one does not believe in "God"? I bet a lot of people who don't believe in God still believe in an after-life.

I liked the top rated comment on the video: "I totally get what you mean, because when I go see a movie, I usually leave after 5 minutes, because I know it's going to end at some point anyway."

I too have heard if you commit suicide you cannot enter heaven.

I'm not going to get into this topic, its just a flame fest waiting to happen.

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@zyt3x
I don't believe in God, and I do believe in some sort of afterlife…

Why not have one Christian, go around and kill all the others? That way, only one of them have to go to hell and the rest can go to heaven?

@Zyt3x, that comment is full of win.

Lol, I think George Bush done a pretty good job of that but not 'Christian's' persay

From: neznam
@zyt3x
I don't believe in God, and I do believe in some sort of afterlife…

Well there you go! The vid in post #1 failed at the very first seconds

From: Kyle Undefined
Why not have one Christian, go around and kill all the others? That way, only one of them have to go to hell and the rest can go to heaven?

@Zyt3x, that comment is full of win.

Lol you should ask that to some sort of priest during mass, see what happens.

From: abu_jwka
Thought I'd slot this in here while I could: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9043813/Temple-for-atheists-provokes-row-among-non-believers.html

It's basically an article where this guy wants to build a temple for atheists.

Agree or disagree?

It's been done before, just look at the Church of Satan

From: Echo_
It's been done before, just look at the Church of Satan

Satan Believers <> Atheists, where did you even hear that???

From: litoris
Lol you should ask that to some sort of priest during mass, see what happens.

Haha, I don't want to be killed! :p

From: Echo_
It's been done before, just look at the Church of Satan

I think the money it would take to build the temple should be used on better things.

The Church of Satan is just wrong…sigh.

From: Zyt3x
Satan Believers <> Atheists, where did you even hear that???

The Church of Satan doesn't worship the devil, they only use Satan as a symbol.

Wouldn't believing in Satan mean you believe in God? Since they coexist?

From: Echo_
The Church of Satan doesn't worship the devil, they only use Satan as a symbol.

Oh wow, you're right, the Norwegian and English Wikipedias say opposite things about this case.. I did a quick search, and found the Norwegian wikipedia article of that topic, and it said the complete opposite that the English one does… I'll chose to believe the English Wikipedia this time :p

From: Kyle Undefined
Wouldn't believing in Satan mean you believe in God? Since they coexist?

Yes, both religions have semitic roots, that's why most modern theistic Satanism is hypocritical. Because if they were to succeed in wiping Christianity off the face of the Earth, their religion would die as well. But the Church of Satan, who I in no way support btw, are just atheists that use Satan as a symbol of thier rebellion against Christianity.

From: Zyt3x
Oh wow, you're right, the Norwegian and English Wikipedias say opposite things about this case.. I did a quick search, and found the Norwegian wikipedia article of that topic, and it said the complete opposite that the English one does… I'll chose to believe the English Wikipedia this time :p

Just searched it up, and it's still puzzling…

From: Echo_
Yes, both religions have semitic roots, that's why most modern theistic Satanism is hypocritical. But the Church of Satan, who I in no way support btw, are just atheists that use Satan as a symbol of thier rebellion against Christianity.

Ahh ok. It's kind of stupid to use that if you don't believe in God though.

From: Kyle Undefined
Just searched it up, and it's still puzzling…



Ahh ok. It's kind of stupid to use that if you don't believe in God though.

I agree, if they really wanted to show their dislike of Christianity then they shouldn't use symbols created by it.

From: Echo_
I agree, if they really wanted to show their dislike of Christianity then they shouldn't use symbols created by it.

Silly people don't know how to rebel correctly :p

From: pulse0
why dont i kill myself? because im white and in canada that alone is something :)

guys just mad cuz hes a nigger. should ask him if black people should kill themselves because they're already halfway burnt may aswell finish the job

I did laugh at this but it's extremely racist and uncalled for.
Black people do not deserve this disrespect.

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

And you think we all haven't thought about that already? Here's the thing bud, our lives are all in God's hand (whether you believe it or not) and only he has the power to take away live or give it. By taking your own life so that you could get to heaven faster is just the coward's way out.

"The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence; but the violent taketh it by force" (Sorry for using King James, but that's the version I learned that verse from)

As you can see, only people who aggressively pursue the kingdom will ever get to the kingdom. There is no room for a coward in heaven.

From: Chig
There is no room for a coward in heaven.

So much for God loves all his children…

From: neznam
So much for God loves all his children…

God does, but what you are implying is that just about anyone is accepted to heaven with open arms? (That's sad)

Read your bible

From: Chig
God does, but what you are implying is that just about anyone is accepted to heaven with open arms? (That's sad)

Read your bible

No thank you.

I do believe there is an afterlife, not necessarily a heaven or hell.

Now what if someone commits suicide say in a situation where they've been captured in a war. They are being tortured. Or commit suicide to avoid any information from being extracted from them. Are they considered cowards or heroes?

What about those with mental illnesses?
I hate getting involved in these discussions…

From: Chig
God does, but what you are implying is that just about anyone is accepted to heaven with open arms? (That's sad)

Read your bible

According to the Bible, everyone is judged before entering the Gates of Heaven. So technically everyone goes to Heaven, and God judges you based on your actions, and if you are a "good/Christian/religious" person then you can enter. Otherwise, you're thrown down to Hell.

Oh, and God accepts everyone with open arms, or so they say.

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From: neznam
No thank you.

I do believe there is an afterlife, not necessarily a heaven or hell.

Now what if someone commits suicide say in a situation where they've been captured in a war. They are being tortured. Or commit suicide to avoid any information from being extracted from them. Are they considered cowards or heroes?

What about those with mental illnesses?
I hate getting involved in these discussions…

What about the people who jumped to their death in the 9/11 Trade Towers attack? That's another good one to add ;)

From: Kyle Undefined
Why not have one Christian, go around and kill all the others? That way, only one of them have to go to hell and the rest can go to heaven?

@Zyt3x, that comment is full of win.

Can't kill ME!

OT: There has to be some sort of afterlife… does anybody actually think its just a black abyss with no escape? There is no possibility that your afterlife is absolute silence. I have been pondering the same sort of questions like these for a long time- but these questions are naturally occurring because of society. So when the Bible says "He created the Heavens and the Earth" He said that jfsg? And there are numerous parables in the Bible about Heaven AND Hell. They both must coexist, because a Heaven without a Hell only leaves non-believers in an abyss (which is their conscious thought). And a Hell without a Heaven means there is no reward for leading a righteous life. You need both Heaven and Hell to serve as constant reminders and consequences of actions and life.
EDIT: Nowhere in the Bible does it say suicide is a ban from Heaven… Judas, one of Jesus' own disciples committed suicide

From: pulse0
why dont i kill myself? because im white and in canada that alone is something :)

guys just mad cuz hes a nigger. should ask him if black people should kill themselves because they're already halfway burnt may aswell finish the job

Wow… Mate why so racist & ignorant? Hope you get suspended or banned; Don't need people like you around here. We are all the same, color doesn't matter.

From: Kyle Undefined

What about the people who jumped to their death in the 9/11 Trade Towers attack? That's another good one to add ;)

Exactly, thats another good one.

What about those who commit suicide to save anothers life? Self sacrifice.
There is a debate that self sacrifice is not suicide, but killing yourself is killing yourself. There is no sugar coating it and saying well thats ok but thats not. Its either ALL OK, or NONE are OK.

From: neznam
Exactly, thats another good one.

What about those who commit suicide to save anothers life? Self sacrifice.
There is a debate that self sacrifice is not suicide, but killing yourself is killing yourself. There is no sugar coating it and saying well thats ok but thats not. Its either ALL OK, or NONE are OK.

Agreed.

I believe we Re-Spawn somewhere else in the world, just like Runescape,lol.

From: Chig
Read your bible

I started, but the hypocrisies were too much for me to handle.

From: Kyle Undefined
According to the Bible, everyone is judged before entering the Gates of Heaven. So technically everyone goes to Heaven, and God judges you based on your actions, and if you are a "good/Christian/religious" person then you can enter. Otherwise, you're thrown down to Hell.

Oh, and God accepts everyone with open arms, or so they say.

Non non non, you will be judged at the gates of heaven, if you have lived your life on earth according to the bible you will be allowed into heaven.
And of course God accepts everyone with open arms, but he won't be doing the same if you committed suicide to get there.

This calls for some deep thinking, so I'm gonna stop accumulation post count on this thread.

From: Kyle Undefined
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What about the people who jumped to their death in the 9/11 Trade Towers attack? That's another good one to add ;)

This makes no sense; they jumped because the building was collapsing…either way they were gonna die anyways so wasup?

From: Echo_
I started, but the hypocrisies were too much for me to handle.

We are human deal with it

From: neznam
Exactly, thats another good one.

What about those who commit suicide to save anothers life? Self sacrifice.
There is a debate that self sacrifice is not suicide, but killing yourself is killing yourself. There is no sugar coating it and saying well thats ok but thats not. Its either ALL OK, or NONE are OK.

Can you give an example of where a situation such as this might arise?

From: Chig

Can you give an example of where a situation such as this might arise?

Are you serious? There's no point in debating anything further with you. Clearly you dont really understand what you are talking about.

and one more thing. When people say they commit suicide, they dont mean JUST so they go to heaven, no, they are commiting suicide to avoid pain, whether physical or emotional. Since you have no imagination and cant understand what that means and Im too lazy to do it for you, Ill just ask you to ignore this.

If people lived by the bible no one would be allowed into heaven. Everyone sins.

From: Chig
We are human deal with it

I don't think you understand. The Bible is full of hypocrisies, it tells us that we can't do something then God goes right ahead and does it.

Another thing to think about, how could a book that has been translated several times still hold its original content? Many languages have words and ideas that simply can't be expressed in another language, so the translator chooses the best similar option and moves on. It only gets worse as the book is translated more and more times. A great example, there are over 100 words for snow in the Icelandic language, while English speakers know it simply as "snow."

It's especially bad when something is translated into English, because English is such a primitive language compared to many others. You also have to take into account how many times the Bible has been edited to better fit the needs of the person trying to control the hopeless masses. Can you explain that?

I just think it is hilarious how people read one book and say, "Why yes, this fits my beliefs perfectly. I'll stick with it." and they haven't even read the ideologies or philosophies of others before making their decision.

Sorry for going off, I get passionate about this subject

From: Chig
Non non non, you will be judged at the gates of heaven, if you have lived your life on earth according to the bible you will be allowed into heaven.
And of course God accepts everyone with open arms, but he won't be doing the same if you committed suicide to get there.

That's exactly what I said, you're judged before getting into heaven, at the gates. Did you not read that?

From: Chig

This makes no sense; they jumped because the building was collapsing…either way they were gonna die anyways so wasup?

You can't say one form of suicide is different than the other. Either way, they still killed themselves. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. So if I was going to get killed by a mugger, and sliced my neck before he shot me, I would still get into heaven? That's not true, because suicide is suicide, no matter the circumstances.

From: Chig
And of course God accepts everyone with open arms

What about homosexuals?

From: Chig
Read your bible

Oh, right. Because you've read it, right?

I hate when people say exactly that; "Read the bible". I'd guess <2% of those who say that have actually read it, and significantly less since this is the internet.

E:

From: Echo_
What about homosexuals?

Oh snap..!

From: Kyle Undefined
That's exactly what I said, you're judged before getting into heaven, at the gates. Did you not read that?




You can't say one form of suicide is different than the other. Either way, they still killed themselves. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. So if I was going to get killed by a mugger, and sliced my neck before he shot me, I would still get into heaven? That's not true, because suicide is suicide, no matter the circumstances.

Suicide is not Suicide, Its about giving up on life, If a mugger was about to shoot you and you sliced your neck is a good example of giving up…You would go straight to hell for being a pussy and not running or trying to stab the guy with the knife instead of slicing you neck like a bitch.



I see about 99% of the replies are just attacks, Seems to me an athiest would have better things to do then argue about how stupid they think religion is…it goes both ways, I hate bible thumpers and I hate athiests who only want to bash.

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I wonder why people continue to argue something that is objectively false.

If someone claimed that Russell's teapot existed, with no valid evidence to substantiate his claim, you wouldn't give him any credence at all. You'd call him a lunatic and send him on his way.

Let's talk about something fun, instead. Like kittens or boobs. Or both.

From: Jason2gs
I wonder why people continue to argue something that is objectively false.

If someone claimed that Russell's teapot existed, with no valid evidence to substantiate his claim, you wouldn't give him any credence at all. You'd call him a lunatic and send him on his way.

Let's talk about something fun, instead. Like kittens or boobs. Or both.

How can you say it is objectively false. Human spirit(our minds) is capable of things far beyond our understanding, Its all about barriers, Which Athiests have plenty of apparentley.

I dont follow any religion, but i dont have the nerve to call myself an athiests. I most definitley believe in something more, It just doesent seem logical to believe that Life is meaningless and there is nothing after we die.

What proof do you have .

From: Psychonaut
How can you say it is objectively false. Human spirit(our minds) is capable of things far beyond our understanding, Its all about barriers, Which Athiests have plenty of apparentley.

I dont follow any religion, but i dont have the nerve to call myself an athiests. I most definitley believe in something more, It just doesent seem logical to believe that Life is meaningless and there is nothing after we die.

What proof do you have .

You see what you did there?

From: Psychonaut
How can you say it is objectively false. Human spirit(our minds) is capable of things far beyond our understanding, Its all about barriers, Which Athiests have plenty of apparentley.

I dont follow any religion, but i dont have the nerve to call myself an athiests. I most definitley believe in something more, It just doesent seem logical to believe that Life is meaningless and there is nothing after we die.

What proof do you have .

Belief alone is not enough to substantiate a theory.

You can't just say, "Human minds are complex. Given this, I know there exists an afterlife." and expect people to respect you.

The burden of proof is on you, babes.

Now, kittens and tits.

From: Zyt3x
Satan Believers <> Atheists, where did you even hear that???

They are atheists. Satan = Hebrew/ Latin word for accuser/ opposer, which basically means one who questions everything(An added note, Lucifer literally means "Bringer of Light" which could mean anything, from knowledge to happiness).

The only way Satan = any type of deity is if you believe in the Judo-christian faith. You must be referring to those silly devil worshipers

From: Jason2gs
Belief alone is not enough to substantiate a theory.

You can't just say, "Human minds are complex. Given this, I know there exists an afterlife." and expect people to respect you.

The burden of proof is on you, babes.

Now, kittens and tits.

Im not asking for respect from anyone, nor am I attacking anyone..just humans as a whole im getting at.

I never said Belief alone substantiate's anything, I just dont see how people can be so full of themselves that they cant realise that that MAYBE we humans arent the greatest all knowing things and we dont know everything.

Also , there is a difference in belief and faithe

From: Psychonaut
Im not asking for respect from anyone, nor am I attacking anyone..just humans as a whole im getting at.

I never said Belief alone substantiate's anything, I just dont see how people can be so full of themselves that they cant realise that that MAYBE we humans arent the greatest all knowing things and we dont know everything.

Also , there is a difference in belief and faithe

Jason's original statement remains intact: objectively false. If one is to promote a religion as truth and absolute fact, that individual better be able to produce hard evidence. Objectively, all religions fail to do so.

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

I'm not afraid of death + I highly dislike religion, its manmade and imperfect. I love God and I want others to do too. Our mission here in earth is to spread the hope we have and to enjoy life.

From: Echo_
What about homosexuals?

Even them. Its just a sin so I don't see any problem with it. The reason why God wants us not to sin is for our own good

I'd rather put my faith in science. Money is better off spent on education than funding churches and what not. Would it be far-fetched to believe religious groups fear atheism (is that right?) because it would mean less money in their pockets? That might be a bit much to say, but if money is spent on education, from where would they receive income?

Also, nice points, Zyt3x. :)

From: Echo_
I started, but the hypocrisies were too much for me to handle.

I tried to read it as well, but I couldn't get past the two creation myths personally… Was like, "Wow, the church can't even decide how the world was made, while most scientists are in agreement upon the big bang.:duh:"

From: Psychonaut
Suicide is not Suicide, Its about giving up on life, If a mugger was about to shoot you and you sliced your neck is a good example of giving up…You would go straight to hell for being a pussy and not running or trying to stab the guy with the knife instead of slicing you neck like a bitch.



I see about 99% of the replies are just attacks, Seems to me an athiest would have better things to do then argue about how stupid they think religion is…it goes both ways, I hate bible thumpers and I hate athiests who only want to bash.

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Suicide IS suicide, no matter what the reason why. That was the point I was making, which you obviously missed.

So if I sliced my neck to avoid being killed by a mugger, I would go to Hell for "being a pussy and not running or trying to stab the guy with the knife instead of slicing you neck like a bitch"? Why wouldn't I go to Hell for killing myself? There is no "good" way of suicide, no matter what.

I would consider myself an athiest, and I honestly don't care what religion someone believes in. However, when someone says I should kill myself for believing there isn't a God, then that upsets me.

From: Jason2gs
I wonder why people continue to argue something that is objectively false.

If someone claimed that Russell's teapot existed, with no valid evidence to substantiate his claim, you wouldn't give him any credence at all. You'd call him a lunatic and send him on his way.

Let's talk about something fun, instead. Like kittens or boobs. Or both.

I like that idea :p

From: Flight
I'd rather put my faith in science. Money is better off spent on education than funding churches and what not. Would it be far-fetched to believe religious groups fear atheism (is that right?) because it would mean less money in their pockets? That might be a bit much to say, but if money is spent on education, from where would they receive income?

Also, nice points, Zyt3x. :)

I agree completely!

From: Awkwardsaw
They are atheists. Satan = Hebrew/ Latin word for accuser/ opposer, which basically means one who questions everything(An added note, Lucifer literally means "Bringer of Light" which could mean anything, from knowledge to happiness).

The only way Satan = any type of deity is if you believe in the Judo-christian faith. You must be referring to those silly devil worshipers

It's interesting, if Lucifer is the bringer or bearer of light then doesn't that mean that the demiurge (god) is trying to keep us in the dark?

Also most Christians (as well as poser Satanists/Luciferians/etc.) think that Satan's true name is Lucifer when it is in fact Chavajoth.

From: Kyle Undefined
Why not have one Christian, go around and kill all the others? That way, only one of them have to go to hell and the rest can go to heaven?

@Zyt3x, that comment is full of win.

Exactly. This occurred to me once and I don't think anyone can argue around that. A small group of Christians SHOULD kill the rest, because this way they are guaranteed to go to heaven, whereas if let to live on their own there is a pretty big chance that they will die "in sin" or change religion.

Think of it this way; Had I been killed as a child I would "go to heaven" but now I wouldn't.

From: Echo_
It's interesting, if Lucifer is the bringer or bearer of light then doesn't that mean that the demiurge (god) is trying to keep us in the dark?

Also most Christians (as well as poser Satanists/Luciferians/etc.) think that Satan's true name is Lucifer when it is in fact Chavajoth.

Have you never learned about the Roman Catholic Church? They literally killed scientists/people who wanted to learn about the universe through logic and reasoning. Also, that moment when "Satan" convinced Eve of eating from the tree of knowledge.

So let me get the whole argument in this thread:

Hurr durr, durr hurr huur durr?

No you got it wrong. The answer is herp derp. Derp herp herp derp derp. Herp derp. It's that simple.

No you are wrong, because hurr durr, hurr hurr hurr durr. Durr!

You believe in something that is fundamentaly false. Herp derp.

No u! Hurr, u sinner, go to hell homo. Hurr durr, hurr hurr durr duurrrr DURR

The end.

From: Awkwardsaw
Have you never learned about the Roman Catholic Church? They literally killed scientists/people who wanted to learn about the universe through logic and reasoning. Also, that moment when "Satan" convinced Eve of eating from the tree of knowledge.

Yes, I have read about the Inquisition.

Tbh, the names of these gods mean nothing to me, they are just forms we create to explain that which we don't understand. I personally see Lucifer as the Christian Prometheus.

From: Markus
Counter question: why don't religious people kill themselves so they get to their God/heaven earlier? ;) They're all afraid of death besides the wonderful heaven that's supposed to wait for them there.

hahahaaa +1 on that :P

He's either a fail troll.

Or just plain stupid.

Haven't watched it, but I could bet anything he's a Christian nutjob that's done no research whatsoever on his religion and blindly follows it. Which I guess I could counteract his claim. Why don't you go kill yourself and be with your Diety? If religion was a joke, Christianity would be the punchline.:sasmokin: