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Before today, we were able to buy an items from he grand exchange, and sell it back on the ge instantly.

As of today, April 11 2012, you now have to wait 4 Hours to sell an item back on the ge if you just bought it from the ge. This is a hidden update. Go try it for yourself.

What does this mean?
This means you can no longer flip items more than once in a 4 hour period.

This basically kills flipping certain items like Bandos and Dragon claws, which were fast moving items that had low margins. You made up for the low margins because of the quantity traded. However now you can no longer buy more than 10 every 4 hours, so the profit from them will be minimal.

Video proof of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_XBqtyW89o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zv-kjGaGt8


Looks like Jagex keeps ruining this game by each week, rather than each month.

Oh my! This is horrible!

Screw Jagex :(

From: omglawlzyougotpw
Before today, we were able to buy an items from he grand exchange, and sell it back on the ge instantly.

As of today, April 11 2012, you now have to wait 4 Hours to sell an item back on the ge if you just bought it from the ge. This is a hidden update. Go try it for yourself.

What does this mean?
This means you can no longer flip items more than once in a 4 hour period.

This basically kills flipping certain items like Bandos and Dragon claws, which were fast moving items that had low margins. You made up for the low margins because of the quantity traded. However now you can no longer buy more than 10 every 4 hours, so the profit from them will be minimal.

Looks like Jagex keeps ruining this game by each week, rather than each month.

Has anyone else confirmed this?

Hell yea! I hated how you could make large amounts of money just by buying and reselling items. The more cash you had, the more you earned (rich get richer…). I like the update since it encourages people to go earn their money "legit" by skilling or killing monsters :)

Thanks for sharing :)

From: tico2
Hell yea! I hated how you could make large amounts of money just by buying and reselling items. The more cash you had, the more you earned (rich get richer…). I like the update since it encourages people to go earn their money "legit" by skilling or killing monsters :)

Thanks for sharing :)

As injection is blowing up(Powerbot) legit skilling + farming is going to be almost pointless, everything is going to get super cheap fairy soon in the future.

Seriously, fagex is crashing their own game with those retard updates. I hate that runescape getting worser with every single update.

From: tico2
I like the update since it encourages people to go earn their money "legit" by skilling or killing monsters :)

You're saying this on a forum which makes scripts for Runescape cheating.

Seriously?

Why would they even do that? It wasn't harming anything, the rich people would pay more and the lower people would get some extra gps, nothing wrong with that.

From: abu_jwka
You're saying this on a forum which makes scripts for Runescape cheating.

Seriously?

Lol some people just say things to post. Is this confirmed though? That would be really disappointing to me because flipping is a good part of my income.

From: abu_jwka
You're saying this on a forum which makes scripts for Runescape cheating.

Seriously?

I didn't say legit in terms of actually playing. It just seems stupid to me that you can make more money/h by flipping some items than actually doing something the game is about…

From: tico2
I didn't say legit in terms of actually playing. It just seems stupid to me that you can make more money/h by flipping some items than actually doing something the game is about…

Now that's tru - I hate flipping :fiery:

I'm being told it is only 10 minutes. Anyone actually try this yet? Hope its not 4 hrs cuz my phat flips will take forever. :(

If you had 1b you can easily make hundreds of mills within mere hours…BUT..if this update actually did happen..it'd suck for everyone. ): I'm the kind of person who buys and decides that I don't like it anymore after an hour.

EDIT: Okay maybe not hundreds of mills…but still very good money for little effort. :P

What with the hate on flipping? It can be done in any game with an economy really.

From: b_lone
If you had 1b you can easily make hundreds of mills within mere hours…BUT..if this update actually did happen..it'd suck for everyone. ): I'm the kind of person who buys and decides that I don't like it anymore after an hour.

Uhhh….no you couln't. >.>

I hope this encourages non-G.E. flipping.

From: b_lone
I hope this encourages non-G.E. flipping.

non-GE flipping is worse than GE flipping. Takes way too much time and the only people that would take part in it is people trying to flip seeing as how those are the only people this update hurts.

Wow, there goes my source of income…kinda. Luckily I buy huge amounts of items ;)

From: Kyle Undefined
Wow, there goes my source of income…kinda. Luckily I buy huge amounts of items ;)

Do you focus on investing? I might have to look more into that, but it definitely requires more knowledge of trends and such.

BTW your post count is 5555. Thought it was interesting :p

The OP is a little misleading… It's obviously not just any item that has the limit. Does anybody know exactly what items this effects?

From: blother
Do you focus on investing? I might have to look more into that, but it definitely requires more knowledge of trends and such.

BTW your post count is 5555. Thought it was interesting :p

I invest and do month long flips, cause it takes forever to buy the items :p

And aww, not any more :(

Wonderful, I think I'm finished with this game now. Flipping was the only thing that kept me playing.

For the people saying you hate flipping. you're pathetic. You only hate flipping because you don't actually know how to flip or don't know how to find good items. - Should've never said that, sorry.

From: tico2
I didn't say legit in terms of actually playing. It just seems stupid to me that you can make more money/h by flipping some items than actually doing something the game is about…

People play the game differently. Just because you don't like the way some people make money doesn't mean you should call it stupid.

If you found a bug and made billions off it I wouldn't despise you. I'd applaud you for actually pushing the game to it's limits.

From: Geo
For the people saying you hate flipping. you're pathetic. You only hate flipping because you don't actually know how to flip or don't know how to find good items.

It's not really pathetic to dislike a moneymaking method that messes so hard with the economy. Legit users have to pay a lot more for different items because people who don't need the items they need are buying them out. Flipping only causes harm to item prices for legit players, and helps add more inflation to the game which isn't a good thing.

From: harry
it's not really pathetic to dislike a moneymaking method that messes so hard with the economy. Legit users have to pay a lot more for different items because people who don't need the items they need are buying them out. Flipping only causes harm to item prices for legit players, and helps add more inflation to the game which isn't a good thing.

this

What a silly update.. :/
There goes merchanting.

Yeh I just hate the fact that it was hidden and not announced it messed with me heaps bad because of that.

From: Harry
It's not really pathetic to dislike a moneymaking method that messes so hard with the economy. Legit users have to pay a lot more for different items because people who don't need the items they need are buying them out. Flipping only causes harm to item prices for legit players, and helps add more inflation to the game which isn't a good thing.

Can you explain how this adds inflation and harms items prices? I am actually curious because i have never thought about these things very much.

K I have to agree with Tico on this. I disliked the GE from day one anyway. I'd rather sit in fally park and try to buy an item than have GE blow up everything. Jagex might as well remove the GE if they're going to do this.

People no longer have to be online at all to make money. You just have to come on for 2 seconds, place ur crap on GE.. come back hrs later, repeat with the money gained/lost. That just made items cheaper. Everyone can get items easy through the GE where as before, they were more rare AND you have to go to seers or fally to get what you needed and spam the keyboard with whatever u needed.. Actually had competition for buying rather than having the rich guys place large amounts of money for a large amount of items all at once..

Well if this is true then i'm cancelling all my rs memberships cause this game is just going down the drain, starting with selling wheel of fortune spins and now this. It might not be for everyone but its a clever way to make money as it was very similar to real world trading and gave people a different option to simply grinding out a skill to make money.

From: ggzz
K I have to agree with Tico on this. I disliked the GE from day one anyway. I'd rather sit in fally park and try to buy an item than have GE blow up everything. Jagex might as well remove the GE if they're going to do this.

People no longer have to be online at all to make money. You just have to come on for 2 seconds, place ur crap on GE.. come back hrs later, repeat with the money gained/lost. That just made items cheaper. Everyone can get items easy through the GE where as before, they were more rare AND you have to go to seers or fally to get what you needed and spam the keyboard with whatever u needed.. Actually had competition for buying rather than having the rich guys place large amounts of money for a large amount of items all at once..

I for one agree with this. This WILL crash some prices 20-30%, no longer will they be kept at high levels due to rich people. Jagex has been reducing the amount of money people can make by doing absolutely nothing. And I love this update for that. This should help stabilize the market from the merchers.

Although if they were smart they would just increase the revenue per item to make up for the loss in quantity. ;)

From: Cerylin
Well if this is true then i'm cancelling all my rs memberships cause this game is just going down the drain, starting with selling wheel of fortune spins and now this. It might not be for everyone but its a clever way to make money as it was very similar to real world trading and gave people a different option to simply grinding out a skill to make money.

I'm sorry, when did you even start playing RS? 2 years ago? They have made the game so much easier. Don't complain b/c you actually have to do something now to gain GP's.

From: tico2
Hell yea! I hated how you could make large amounts of money just by buying and reselling items. The more cash you had, the more you earned (rich get richer…). I like the update since it encourages people to go earn their money "legit" by skilling or killing monsters :)

Thanks for sharing :)

welcome ;)
@ to the people who are asking if its true, it is true. Go try it yourself :duh:

I take it that flipping/merchanting bots are useless as of today.

I remember going to Fally to buy things, those were the good ole days. Thing is, GE is good for the people who don't have time to sit there and trade. A lot of people OVERPAY for items in the GE, which is their fault for being so impatient. I just capitalize on that.

Anyone wanna learn me to merch? :)

I will take the cost of instantly buying items over having to spam fally any day. The GE provides a major service regardless if people make money off it or not.

oww no more flipping :( Well will have to seacrh some other money methods :S

From: Geo
Wonderful, I think I'm finished with this game now. Flipping was the only thing that kept me playing.

For the people saying you hate flipping. you're pathetic. You only hate flipping because you don't actually know how to flip or don't know how to find good items. - Should've never said that, sorry.



People play the game differently. Just because you don't like the way some people make money doesn't mean you should call it stupid.

If you found a bug and made billions off it I wouldn't despise you. I'd applaud you for actually pushing the game to it's limits.

You can give me your guy now :)
JK JK

I only ever flipped rune plates when I was level 50 or so, so flipping isn't that hard on me, especially with all the good prices now.
My advice: buy up on the huge amounts of cheap stuff, and then when jagex realizes the mistake theyve made, sell it back at a huge profit.

From: Littellj
I for one agree with this. This WILL crash some prices 20-30%, no longer will they be kept at high levels due to rich people. Jagex has been reducing the amount of money people can make by doing absolutely nothing. And I love this update for that. This should help stabilize the market from the merchers.

Although if they were smart they would just increase the revenue per item to make up for the loss in quantity. ;)







I'm sorry, when did you even start playing RS? 2 years ago? They have made the game so much easier. Don't complain b/c you actually have to do something now to gain GP's.

I've been playing for about 7 years and whether you like it or not flipping actually takes skill, most of the people who complain about it are ones who are unable to make great amounts of money from flipping. Also, it is no different from the merching that occured before the g.e came about. I will complain because it makes the game boring, rs is ruining a good trading system- not everyone wants to make money by grinding.

back in the days, flipping didnt existed

From: Cerylin
I've been playing for about 7 years and whether you like it or not flipping actually takes skill, most of the people who complain about it are ones who are unable to make great amounts of money from flipping. Also, it is no different from the merching that occured before the g.e came about. I will complain because it makes the game boring, rs is ruining a good trading system- not everyone wants to make money by grinding.

False, it does take no skill and no time. 7 years ago, people use to have to spam buying in fally then spam selling. Do you see people spaming buying 100k deaths? no, aka very different. People made money for doing nothing.

Well I am not getting the OP. I just bought and sold some … but not selling dragon equipment. Others work I think. Tried cannonballz

From: Littellj
False, it does take no skill and no time. 7 years ago, people use to have to spam buying in fally then spam selling. Do you see people spaming buying 100k deaths? no, aka very different. People made money for doing nothing.

Well if you think spam selling took more skill and was better for the game i think rs2006.net is a better place for you. It was tiresome with no variety at all, if flipping is so easy then everyone would have a bill in the bank- but they don't.

maybe next they will just get rid of the GE, so maybe then w2 will be restored to it's former glory <3

I would love jagex forever if they did that

edit: If the delay is 4 hours, then all they did was restore it to how it always was.

From: Awkwardsaw
maybe next they will just get rid of the GE, so maybe then w2 will be restored to it's former glory <3

I would love jagex forever if they did that

edit: If the delay is 4 hours, then all they did was restore it to how it always was.

Trying to get into world 1 and 2 to make trades… Those were the days.

From: abu_jwka
You're saying this on a forum which makes scripts for Runescape cheating.

Seriously?

Rep+ lol and also probably because he used to merch

I too am one of those that buys an item and decides he hates it and sells it right back for w/e the price sells for…

I do not like this. Hmm is Jagex being run by monkeys?

So no-one has confirmed whether this update was really implemented. Was it?

I also enjoyed the old days of merching, I just don't think I would have the time to do it that way anymore :p

From: Echo_
So no-one has confirmed whether this update was really implemented. Was it?

I also enjoyed the old days of merching, I just don't think I would have the time to do it that way anymore :p

Its been confirmed and implemented already;
Ive tried it on a many runes and armor's
There are videos on youtube about it
And there is a shitstorm of rants about it on the rs forums

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_XBqtyW89o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zv-kjGaGt8

Go check those videos out if you wish to see proof.

From: Littellj
False, it does take no skill and no time. 7 years ago, people use to have to spam buying in fally then spam selling. Do you see people spaming buying 100k deaths? no, aka very different. People made money for doing nothing.

So, understanding what is going to happen to an items price within the next 10-15 minutes and implementing a change on that item that will stop you from losing money and actually profit from that item takes no skill.

I take it you've never flipped before. It's time consuming it takes quite a while to actually find a few good items to flip that have a steady price and a steady profit margin even then you have to have reserve items just in case your original items profit margins collapse.

To actually make a lot of money you have to constantly be watching your buy/sell offers thinking about what the others merchants are going to do whether you should do a price check/lower/raise your current sell/buy price again or just wait a couple minutes and see if it'll start buying/selling.

I know a few people that have actually lost money flipping because they don't fully understand the concept so they start to hate on people that make millions flipping. I don't hate on people with high runecrafting that are able to craft double nature runes. So players shouldn't hate on me for using something that JaGEx implemented into the game.

There are countless videos, tutorials, etc willing to help you learn how to flip but you have to have a certain mentality and a lot of patience, which kids these days don't have, to actually become a decent merchant that makes a hefty sum of gold.

Please don't talk rubbish about flipping when you don't fully comprehend it. All it's doing is making you look silly.

Flipping actually required skills… you had to get your own personal list.. which meant trial and error… this list could change with a click of a finger… if you risked it and went big and the market crashed you'd lose mills….

Flipping = was tough

My best Grand Exchange flipping days were when the 4 hour limit was imposed. I stopped fliping after that (botting), but I don't see the limit as a huge problem.

The fact that this update was hidden angers me too. Grr, this game has gone down the drains.

From: Geo
So, understanding what is going to happen to an items price within the next 10-15 minutes and implementing a change on that item that will stop you from losing money and actually profit from that item takes no skill.

I take it you've never flipped before. It's time consuming it takes quite a while to actually find a few good items to flip that have a steady price and a steady profit margin even then you have to have reserve items just in case your original items profit margins collapse.

To actually make a lot of money you have to constantly be watching your buy/sell offers thinking about what the others merchants are going to do whether you should do a price check/lower/raise your current sell/buy price again or just wait a couple minutes and see if it'll start buying/selling.

I know a few people that have actually lost money flipping because they don't fully understand the concept so they start to hate on people that make millions flipping. I don't hate on people with high runecrafting that are able to craft double nature runes. So players shouldn't hate on me for using something that JaGEx implemented into the game.

There are countless videos, tutorials, etc willing to help you learn how to flip but you have to have a certain mentality and a lot of patience, which kids these days don't have, to actually become a decent merchant that makes a hefty sum of gold.

Please don't talk rubbish about flipping when you don't fully comprehend it. All it's doing is making you look silly.

I completely agree with this. Comparing the old school merchanting in fally to merchanting using a GE is ridiculous. Do people honestly believe sitting in fally with an autotyper and accepting trades was more difficult then the flipping using the GE today? Time consuming does not mean more difficult. I can say that doing small flips is not very hard, but actually making it worth your time is what makes it hard.

This is why people that can make 1M+ an hour probably don't merchant because they don't need it. They may also look down on because people can make more than they can. I am not saying this as fact, but merely as a possibility.

Merchanting/flipping can also be very similar to monster hunting. Both require skill and both will make a lot of money through simple dumb luck. People will get consistent drops that will make them profit, but receiving sigil drops or a dragon full helmet is what really puts them ahead. Flipping generally works the same way finding decent flips that keep some money coming in, then finding one that really gives you a good amount.

The case can also be made that the rich get richer in things like monster hunting as well. If you get better drops, which get you better gear, which allows you to kill faster, which gives more drops, then it is pretty much creating the same system merchanting works off of.

i guess no more flipping

This update sucks so bad.

This might only eliminate mindless "pick item from most traded list -> test margin -> buy and sell according to margin" flipping. Anyone who really tries hard may be able to create large lists of flipping items that will suffice for an entire 4-hour period even under this new system, and those people will probably be able to make a lot more profit now (as margins should be larger with less of those mindless flippers buying and selling every item = harder for regular players to buy/sell their stuff = regular players willing to sell lower/buy higher than before)

flipping=xp waste

yeah:( rs is making its game so much worse lately..

Must say, pretty disappointed with alot of RS updates lately.

To be honest I'm getting a bit of a dejavu here, didn't they do this before?

From: Markus
To be honest I'm getting a bit of a dejavu here, didn't they do this before?

Wrong thread? Anyway I think a new update removed this update.

this is such a dumb update so what happens if i buy something for skilling but decide on going for something else i have to wait… its not like its bad or anything just very inconvenient. im the type who likes to push un-used stuff to the back of my bank and forget about things. thanks jagex

From: ggzz
K I have to agree with Tico on this. I disliked the GE from day one anyway. I'd rather sit in fally park and try to buy an item than have GE blow up everything. Jagex might as well remove the GE if they're going to do this.

People no longer have to be online at all to make money. You just have to come on for 2 seconds, place ur crap on GE.. come back hrs later, repeat with the money gained/lost. That just made items cheaper. Everyone can get items easy through the GE where as before, they were more rare AND you have to go to seers or fally to get what you needed and spam the keyboard with whatever u needed.. Actually had competition for buying rather than having the rich guys place large amounts of money for a large amount of items all at once..

THIS THIS THIS. My god. Can we please go back to the falador days where we actually had to go to world 2 fally park in order to obtain the item(s) we want. I miss that so much, y'know what else I miss? Seeing natures at 300+ each.

sarcasm
These updates are just getting better and BETTER, Jagex, keep em commin'!
/sarcasm