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Optimus V2 Bot Nuke


Smithsservice

2012-03-29 14:04:43

Basically I watch quite a few youtube videos. A couple I have came across, state that a bot nuke is coming soon (in a couple of weeks) called Optimus bot nuke version 2, which will wipe out the remaining colour/screen scraping bots.

Links to the videos (not the video title, but they briefly discuss it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2cgKKu_njE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coNCVFm3btM&list=UU3R90jnisWspZKKrpKtp38Q&index=4&feature=plcp

http://services.runescape.com/m=news/jagex-vs-ibot--anti-bot-update

Just wondering if any of the developers know if it can be avoided, when it is or if they will be able to rejuvenate the bots. Basically, any useful/relevant information anyone has would be much appreciated.

I haven't seen any topics on this, but dont quote me.

Thanks.

weequ

2012-03-29 14:09:44

I personally don't think they will be able to completely stop botting but they can make it harder and improve their bot detection systems.

YoHoJo

2012-03-29 14:11:10

This was announced by Jagex months ago.
Only a couple sentences were said about it.

Since then tons of nobodies have been SPECULATING about it, but the truth is no one knows a thing about it except Jagex themselves, so anything you hear is just made up!

Also, Jagex (although not very clearly) said that Optimus is aimed at the remaining color/injection bots NOT aimed at color bots.

It's common belief that in no way can color bots be stopped (just slowed down) because they work/play in the exact same way humans do.

We’re already well underway with our next generation of anti-botting software called Optimus, which is going to be released shortly, and we’re also currently developing ways to remove the remaining screen-scraper bots from the game


Key word being ALSO, making be believe Optimus is one thing, and they are ALSO TRYING to stop color ones :p.

Main

2012-03-29 14:12:01

We are all very aware of this, and they stated about optimus in mid jan.

We've discussed that aswell, and we came to the conclusion that simba will always work (given certain time to repair) unless rs runs in software mode ( that blocks HID) or jagex some how was able to violate the laws of physics and mathmatics.

weequ

2012-03-29 14:18:54

From: Main
We are all very aware of this, and they stated about optimus in mid jan.

We've discussed that aswell, and we came to the conclusion that simba will always work (given certain time to repair) unless rs runs in software mode ( that blocks HID) or jagex some how was able to violate the laws of physics and mathmatics.
What is HID?

Main

2012-03-29 14:25:54

human interface device, like mouse. There was talks about a virtual mouse (HID) so that scar/simba can control the mouse if rs were ever to go software.

weequ

2012-03-29 14:29:24

From: Main
human interface device, like mouse. There was talks about a virtual mouse (HID) so that scar/simba can control the mouse if rs were ever to go software.
Doesn't simba use a 'virtual' mouse anyway?

Main

2012-03-29 14:38:17

*This is assuming rs were to go to a download and have anti cheat program*
Thats smart, right now the simba controls the mouse in some way I am not sure of.
But if they were to use anti cheat, it might blocks simba from interacting with the mouse, but if we have a custom HID mouse, it would just act like a normal mouse :)

oonzpoonz

2012-03-29 15:10:27

Wasn't Optimus scheduled for early March? I've seen nothing so far, but we do have a couple days to go for march still.

Jokester

2012-03-29 15:24:34

I was thinking just before the bxpweekend if anything but… yeah that already passed and nothing. There is 1 more update week in March so it could be in there. But it could very well be "postponed" until April or maybe even May! The sooner it comes the better it is for us. Price of items shoot back up and it makes things much better for us overall.

LemonHaze

2012-03-29 15:53:56

mod jacmob said in his fc last week that optimus will be released soon, 'it will stop injection for a very long time, if not forever, optimus will also dammage color bots'.

Jokester

2012-03-29 15:58:50

From: lordvolt
mod jacmob said in his fc last week that optimus will be released soon, 'it will stop injection for a very long time, if not forever, optimus will also dammage color bots'.


I find it very funny that he wouldn't even pretend he could stop color bots! He stated it would damage color bots? Maybe for a few weeks to a month or 2 but no longer than that.

Gestapo

2012-03-29 15:58:56

Should we stock up on RSGP and materials soon? ^^

masterBB

2012-03-29 16:11:11

SMART is detectable. Our method of using the mouse can't be stopped.

Joe

2012-03-29 16:15:54

So should we start using our throwaway lvl 3's from now on? or is main botting safe for the time being?

LemonHaze

2012-03-29 16:17:43

From: masterBB
SMART is detectable. Our method of using the mouse can't be stopped.


Can you explain how they detect smart?

footballjds

2012-03-29 16:24:34

From: lordvolt
Can you explain how they detect smart?


did he say "they detect smart"? NO.

He said smart is detectable…

l2read

Gestapo

2012-03-29 16:25:00

I was in worry ^^ lol.

LemonHaze

2012-03-29 16:36:11

From: footballjds
did he say "they detect smart"? NO.

He said smart is detectable…

l2read


thank you for your friendly reply, what I meant is, how can they detect smart.

grats

2012-03-29 16:38:40

Jagex will get rid of color bots easily, they just have to make the game look like this:

(Don't click if you have epilepsy)
http://i42.tinypic.com/34phzeu.gif

footballjds

2012-03-29 17:15:38

From: grats
Jagex will get rid of color bots easily, they just have to make the game look like this:

(Don't click if you have epilepsy)
http://i42.tinypic.com/34phzeu.gif


naw, we still got shape detection ;)

Olly

2012-03-29 17:29:56

Jagex likes to boost the fuck outta themself's over a bot nuke… which they haven't done yet so im guessing its going to be a minor thing that will just kill of the injection bots?

Imanoobbot

2012-03-29 17:44:28

From: YoHoJo

It's common belief that in no way can color bots be stopped (just slowed down) because they work/play in the exact same way humans do.


Thats a really good point! I think the same way. They could maybe improve their system to bust player botting but cant really stop the bot working.

Sex

2012-03-29 17:53:38

From: grats
Jagex will get rid of color bots easily, they just have to make the game look like this:

(Don't click if you have epilepsy)
http://i42.tinypic.com/34phzeu.gif


Hey, n3ss3s's avatar (the frog) :p.

jackhill6

2012-03-29 17:58:47

if it isn't bull****, which it probably is, then it will only get rid of the crap bots left, ie:epicbot

masterBB

2012-03-29 17:59:53

From: Sex
Hey, n3ss3s's avatar (the frog) :p.


All hail to hypnotoad!

foxfly1

2012-03-29 20:39:01

I've read the post about v2 bot nuke…..very old news. nothing to worry about here…it won't stop injection….maybe for a month at most then it'll be back up again. jagex get's outsmarted everytime. this will continue forever. the "War" against bots will never end. and we the people of simba are just bystanders. laugh we will as we max our accounts!

Flight

2012-03-29 21:21:13

I've only heard rumors about it coming this month, but this month is nearing the end and still nothing. Above that I would imagine the nuke would be aimed at, for the most part, injection-based bots. I'm not saying they don't wanna wipe us out as well, but simply put they have bigger fish to fry.

Yeah SMART is where we become detectable, this is why I've been bugging Nielsie95 for a Simba-oriented APPA. This really does need to be looked into asap.

Prometheus

2012-03-29 21:46:35

autobots win, decepticons (jagex) lose.

iskill4u

2012-03-29 21:48:23

thats a good 1 hahahaha ^

davis_junior

2012-03-29 21:49:38

From: Flight
I've only heard rumors about it coming this month, but this month is nearing the end and still nothing. Above that I would imagine the nuke would be aimed at, for the most part, injection-based bots. I'm not saying they don't wanna wipe us out as well, but simply put they have bigger fish to fry.

Yeah SMART is where we become detectable, this is why I've been bugging Nielsie95 for a Simba-oriented APPA. This really does need to be looked into asap.


I thought the only way SMART was detectable was because it used to send a blank user agent. As you're most likely already aware, user agent support has been added in SMART 6.10 – http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77373.

How else is it detectable?

Jokester

2012-03-29 23:04:30

From: jackhill6
if it isn't bull****, which it probably is, then it will only get rid of the crap bots left, ie:epicbot


I really can not wait for those noobs to be gone already! If I see another thread about "hacked by epicbot! Need monies pl0x!" Im gonna freak out. Plus it will have resources skyrocket again and make so many more money making methods profitable again!

oonzpoonz

2012-03-30 15:48:38

There are no bots at Green Dragons. They were all injection. Has Optimus come?

Texy

2012-03-30 16:07:30

Might have just been today's update. Unsure.

shstiger2009

2012-03-30 16:07:42

From: Flight
I've only heard rumors about it coming this month, but this month is nearing the end and still nothing. Above that I would imagine the nuke would be aimed at, for the most part, injection-based bots. I'm not saying they don't wanna wipe us out as well, but simply put they have bigger fish to fry.

Yeah SMART is where we become detectable, this is why I've been bugging Nielsie95 for a Simba-oriented APPA. This really does need to be looked into asap.


I fully agree. Since SMART is detectable, this is where they could do us damage. Then again, I only run 1-2 scripts at a time and could be fine with just letting my main mouse play on the RS browser window. But that's because I have a separate computer that I bot on, most people don't. That's the main problem we're facing right now in my opinion.

Reinier

2012-03-30 16:38:01

We will survive!

Jokester

2012-03-30 17:08:29

From: Reinier
We will survive!


Well duh! There is really not much they can do to us without making the game unplayable by legits.

creedgaming

2012-03-30 17:41:30

Jagex doesn't care about bots other then making the community happy… Banning the bots has done nothing for the price of gold , Price of items are slightly higher thats about it…

creedgaming

2012-03-30 17:44:21

If 11 million subscriber WoW cant sue and defeat bots , and cant keep them out how the hell do you think Runescape (Free) is going to be able too? There not… Runescape has a member base thats less then 25% actually paying at half the price of WoW…

smurg

2012-03-30 18:46:54

From: creedgaming
If 11 million subscriber WoW cant sue and defeat bots , and cant keep them out how the hell do you think Runescape (Free) is going to be able too? There not… Runescape has a member base thats less then 25% actually paying at half the price of WoW…


They did sue and took down WoWGlider. Also, Jagex already took down RSBuddy and Impsoft…

Probably a spambot I'm replying too anyways.

Kyle Undefined

2012-03-30 19:55:31

From: smurg
They did sue and took down WoWGlider. Also, Jagex already took down RSBuddy and Impsoft…

Probably a spambot I'm replying too anyways.


No, just a gold farmer, even worse.

Neros

2012-03-30 20:00:32

From: creedgaming
If 11 million subscriber WoW cant sue and defeat bots , and cant keep them out how the hell do you think Runescape (Free) is going to be able too? There not… Runescape has a member base thats less then 25% actually paying at half the price of WoW…


blizzard stopped bots /facepalm/

davis_junior

2012-03-30 20:04:22

From: Neros
blizzard stopped bots /facepalm/


The last I knew, there were still working bots. Search for Honorbuddy.

cool13bro

2012-04-01 20:52:12

I'm pretty sure the next nuke was scheduled for March (I forget where I read that). But, it is now April 1st, and a lot of injections are still running.. the last of the major ones being powerbot. I think jagex was just waiting for these injection bots to start running again before they launched their next nuke. Now that a lot of them are going.. the next nuke should be set off very soon.

Anyways, that's my $0.02

wister1

2012-04-01 21:04:57

maybe in april? although its kinda stupid since mr. know all jacmob said nuke was gonna happen in march

iskill4u

2012-04-01 21:20:30

i hope colour bot does not get effected from it

punkd

2012-04-01 22:33:38

Its mostly aimed at injection bots. I doubt they'll tackle color bots anytime soon

Zockuito

2012-04-01 23:20:29

Ehh… All my bots seem to be running pretty well. :D I guess we will see tomorrow on the behind the scenes then. :P

jaraxlan

2012-04-02 04:09:49

the bot nuke just hit at 2:00 Central/Mountain time. the SMART feature is currently not working. Stand by while devs fix the problem

davis_junior

2012-04-02 04:13:46

From: jaraxlan
the bot nuke just hit at 2:00 Central/Mountain time. the SMART feature is currently not working. Stand by while devs fix the problem


It's working for me?

oonzpoonz

2012-04-02 04:20:11

From: davis_junior
It's working for me?


Same :) I was sure this was it…

Nexz

2012-04-02 06:34:58

From: YoHoJo
This was announced by Jagex months ago.
Only a couple sentences were said about it.

Since then tons of nobodies have been SPECULATING about it, but the truth is no one knows a thing about it except Jagex themselves, so anything you hear is just made up!

Also, Jagex (although not very clearly) said that Optimus is aimed at the remaining color/injection bots NOT aimed at color bots.

It's common belief that in no way can color bots be stopped (just slowed down) because they work/play in the exact same way humans do.



Key word being ALSO, making be believe Optimus is one thing, and they are ALSO TRYING to stop color ones :p.

Exactly! :D

Altho I personally do believe that it's possible (not even difficult) to slow down/break screen-scraping bot (and game-code-reading bots) in such a matter that you can't bot without babysitting.

prostaker

2012-04-02 07:00:11

i dont mind babysiting :D

Besides a well coded color-bot can beat ANY human player anywhere. Because a decent computer can do much more calculations per second than human would and for that it can make much quicker decisions. In theory it is possible, to code an ultimate PK or fight kiln bot with so many failsafes, that it would never fail.

Unfortunatelly no selfrespected scripter will write 50k line monstercode and publish it for leeching.

Those are our babyes. Those are not for sharing :)

Back to the topic: As an idea, colorbot is ment to "see" what user "sees" and "input" as user would enter data. If your going to mess with that… Well theres only one man who could achive that and still make the game playable -> :norris:

Regards,

:garfield:

m34tcode

2012-04-02 07:35:30

From: prostaker
i dont mind babysiting :D

Besides a well coded color-bot can beat ANY human player anywhere. Because a decent computer can do much more calculations per second than human would and for that it can make much quicker decisions. In theory it is possible, to code an ultimate PK or fight kiln bot with so many failsafes, that it would never fail.

Unfortunatelly no selfrespected scripter will write 50k line monstercode and publish it for leeching.

Those are our babyes. Those are not for sharing :)

Back to the topic: As an idea, colorbot is ment to "see" what user "sees" and "input" as user would enter data. If your going to mess with that… Well theres only one man who could achive that and still make the game playable -> :norris:

Regards,

:garfield:


While I agree that color bots are very capable, computers are still not quite as powerful as the human brain. You only actually use about 10% of your brain at any given time, which is because each part has a different function. If your eyes are closed, your vision center will have little to do. Computers have not yet caught up to the power a brain holds, although it is expected that computers will reach this point by 2020.

The feeling that computers are more powerful than humans, comes from the fact that little of your brain functions through conscious control. You aren't looking at angles and gradients trying to recognize 3D objects all the time. Its done behind the scenes.

orly22

2012-04-23 11:35:04

From: m34tcode
While I agree that color bots are very capable, computers are still not quite as powerful as the human brain. You only actually use about 10% of your brain at any given time, which is because each part has a different function. If your eyes are closed, your vision center will have little to do. Computers have not yet caught up to the power a brain holds, although it is expected that computers will reach this point by 2020.

The feeling that computers are more powerful than humans, comes from the fact that little of your brain functions through conscious control. You aren't looking at angles and gradients trying to recognize 3D objects all the time. Its done behind the scenes.


the 10% part is just a myth bro :P

The Killer

2012-04-23 12:08:42

meh im not scared, jagex can give it there all if ya ask me

momotron

2012-04-23 12:17:42

JAGEX ALREADY STATED THAT OPTIMUS IS NOT AIMED AT ALL AT COLOUR BOTS IN THE Q&A. Discussion closed?

Surfer

2012-04-23 19:38:07

From: jaraxlan
the bot nuke just hit at 2:00 Central/Mountain time. the SMART feature is currently not working. Stand by while devs fix the problem


Still working for me too!

Sulferx

2012-04-24 04:37:20

From: m34tcode
While I agree that color bots are very capable, computers are still not quite as powerful as the human brain. You only actually use about 10% of your brain at any given time, which is because each part has a different function. If your eyes are closed, your vision center will have little to do. Computers have not yet caught up to the power a brain holds, although it is expected that computers will reach this point by 2020.

The feeling that computers are more powerful than humans, comes from the fact that little of your brain functions through conscious control. You aren't looking at angles and gradients trying to recognize 3D objects all the time. Its done behind the scenes.


God, you are talking so hard out of your ass.

The "only using 10% of your brain" stuff is total crap. It's not actually true, but rather mumbojumbo people like you pass around.

That little example of yours is also inaccurate. If I close my eyes, my eyes will just relay the picture of the back of my eyelids to my brain. The "vision center" (visual cortex) doesn't stop working.

And uhhh, no. Computers won't reach the "power" (what does that even mean?) of the human brain by 2020. You're thinking of artificial intelligence, which isn't happening anytime soon.

Tlachtli

2012-04-24 06:34:12

On the whole "computer reaching capability of a human brain" thing…

Computers have far surpassed exactly half of the human brain: the left half. A good enough computer can out compute (fancy that) any living human being. When it comes to calculations and sheer processing power, the computer will always beat out a human. Computers can handle insane equations that would make our eyes cross in fractions of a second, and can perform tasks like matching with near-perfect accuracy indefinitely.

Humans, however, have the distinct advantage in the other half: the right half. Creativity is what sets us apart here, as computers are literally incapable of synthesizing new data completely on their own. Anything generated by a computer is done procedurally, according to something already programmed into them; even 'random' number generators follow a pre-programmed procedure, believe it or not. As of now, pure inspiration and creation is something computers are incapable of, giving humans the edge here.

So when you say "computers are better" or "the human brain is stonger," you need to say with respect to what.

[D]ude

2012-04-25 02:05:15

Again the angles and stuff are done behind the conscious in the brain. However if you are talking of using a computer program to play a computer game, the computer definitely has more knowledge of itself and could out perform a human doing the same task. That is if its programmed correctly. If only we could look at the jagex code and see exactly what will happen next in a pk fight under certain conditions

stuartroad

2012-04-25 02:32:42

just let this thread die, there is like 10000 of its kind.

Nexz

2012-04-28 17:12:39

From: Sulferx
God, you are talking so hard out of your ass.

The "only using 10% of your brain" stuff is total crap. It's not actually true, but rather mumbojumbo people like you pass around.

That little example of yours is also inaccurate. If I close my eyes, my eyes will just relay the picture of the back of my eyelids to my brain. The "vision center" (visual cortex) doesn't stop working.

And uhhh, no. Computers won't reach the "power" (what does that even mean?) of the human brain by 2020. You're thinking of artificial intelligence, which isn't happening anytime soon.

1. I'm pretty sure m34tcode ment processing capacity as he said power.

2. The 10% thing is acually a pretty common saying (whether it's true or false). Why flame so wildly? Give your opinion instead?

3. m34tcode wasn't assuming visual cortex or whatever stopped working once eyes are closed.

skiller10

2012-05-02 09:57:00

As I also mentioned in another post, they are for sure still working on Optimus. Only recently I saw they added GetFocus{} to the code, basically to see what window is getting the focus. If NULL is returned that means another windows besides RS has the focus. When this is the case normally no skilling activity should take place. If there is XP gain for 5 minutes, while GetFocus returns NULL all the time, that means you are botting, and thus get banned.
And this could harm the colorbots, except if you have like a dedicated pc to bot from which keeps the focus on the RS window all the time.

Main

2012-05-02 10:50:58

If you think jagex's statement on color bots being "easy" to get rid of…
Check out
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopEaJglzWE


Also, again. Its proven they can't stop us

superuser

2012-05-02 12:31:13

From: Tlachtli
On the whole "computer reaching capability of a human brain" thing…

Computers have far surpassed exactly half of the human brain: the left half. A good enough computer can out compute (fancy that) any living human being. When it comes to calculations and sheer processing power, the computer will always beat out a human. Computers can handle insane equations that would make our eyes cross in fractions of a second, and can perform tasks like matching with near-perfect accuracy indefinitely.

Humans, however, have the distinct advantage in the other half: the right half. Creativity is what sets us apart here, as computers are literally incapable of synthesizing new data completely on their own. Anything generated by a computer is done procedurally, according to something already programmed into them; even 'random' number generators follow a pre-programmed procedure, believe it or not. As of now, pure inspiration and creation is something computers are incapable of, giving humans the edge here.

So when you say "computers are better" or "the human brain is stonger," you need to say with respect to what.


Quite the opposite. Read this. A small citate:

As to processor speed, let’s assume a very conservative average firing rate for a neuron of 200 times per second. If the signal is passed to 12,500 synapses, then 22 billion neurons are capable of performing 55 petaflops (a petaflop = one quadrillion calculations) per second.

The world’s fastest supercomputer, a monster from Japan unveiled by Fujitsu at a conference this past June, has a configuration of 864 racks, comprising a total of 88,128 interconnected CPUs. It tested out at 8 petaflops (which only five months later was upped to 10.51 petaflops). Our brains are nearly five times faster.

Nexz

2012-05-04 17:55:03

From: superuser
Quite the opposite. Read this. A small citate:

I found this pretty interesting too:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=computers-vs-brains

But it states 2.2 petaflops for the human brain (1/4th of the supercomputer) … all sorces seem to state diffirently actually :/

However, lol @ the 20 watts vs. 9.9 million watts =D

Main

2012-05-04 18:16:41

Well. who writes the scripts? A human right?…

Anyways. They shouldn't affect us at all, so no need to worry :)

la102

2012-05-04 23:08:25

From: masterBB
All hail to hypnotoad!


i did.

KeepBotting

2012-05-05 08:26:22

Ummm, all Optimus v1 did was stop injection bots for 2 days, Fagex can't touch us.

[D]ude

2012-05-07 04:00:02

They could try to class action law suite all the simba users, but that would be kind of shady since simba can be used for more than just rs

smurg

2012-05-07 15:09:59

From: dude1994
They could try to class action law suite all the simba users, but that would be kind of shady since simba can be used for more than just rs


"In law, a class action, a class suit, or a representative action is a form of lawsuit in which a large group of people collectively bring a claim to court and/or in which a class of defendants is being sued."

It wouldn't be a class action because the prosecution would just be Jagex, the company, not a group of people.

Unless anyone here knows the intricate details of the nexus case and what actually they made a deal for, then we're in the dark regarding lawsuits. So I don't know if random conjecture would get us anywhere.

Main

2012-05-07 15:31:15

simba isn't illegal in anyway.
Many people have used it for other recreational even academic purposes.

dtky2012

2012-05-07 17:58:27

SRL T&C's:

In no event shall the SRL Resource Library or its suppliers be liable for any damages (including, without limitation, damages for loss of data or profit, or due to business interruption,) arising out of the use or inability to use the materials on the SRL Resource Library internet site, even if SRL Resource Library or a SRL Resource Library authorized representative has been notified orally or in writing of the possibility of such damage. Because some jurisdictions do not allow limitations on implied warranties, or limitations of liability for consequential or incidental damages, these limitations may not apply to you.

Jagex T&C's:

You must not reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any Jagex Product client software in any way (except to the extent allowed by applicable law). You must not use a modified/customised version of the client software or attempt to sub-license it. You must not create or provide any other means by which any Jagex Product may be played by others (including, without limitation, replacement or modified client/server software, server emulators). Please note that any such activity may constitute civil wrongs and/or criminal offences, and Jagex reserves the right to take such action as appropriate in the circumstances should it become aware that such offences are being committed.
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You agree that all intellectual property or other rights in any game character, account and items are and will remain our property. Jagex owns all rights in the Jagex Products, and you are only granted permission to use such products, subject to and in accordance with these Terms and Conditions.


Is SRL "decompiling/reverse engineering and/or modifying" there code? - No
Is SRL using a "modified" client/server/emulater to play the game? - No ( If using SMART then yes )
Is SRL "Claiming" To own items/money or anything else? - No

They mention civil wrong doing/criminal offence but then don't provide evidence to there claims
where it states that breaching there T&C's is a criminal offence.

They do not mention anything about macroing/botting in there T&C's.

If you read both T&C's it states that any wrong doing by "You" it should be "You" who suffers the consequences not any one else ( Which is common sense ) If you do something wrong why should someone else suffer?

If breaching there T&C's is a criminal offence then it should be gold farmers being sued not bot makers.

Don't use SMART and you're not breaching there T&C's

If anyone would like to verify this view both full T&C's below

SRL Full T&C's: http://villavu.com/index.php?pageid=tos
Jagex Full T&C's: http://www.jagex.com/g=runescape/terms/terms.ws

The Defence Rests Your Honour, Any Questions?

smurg

2012-05-07 19:50:42

Comparing Terms and Conditions vs. Federal/State Law is pretty LOL.

T&C means about zilch in terms of prosecuting a user.

ShawnjohnSJ

2012-05-07 20:42:32

From: dtky2012
SRL T&C's:

In no event shall the SRL Resource Library or its suppliers be liable for any damages (including, without limitation, damages for loss of data or profit, or due to business interruption,) arising out of the use or inability to use the materials on the SRL Resource Library internet site, even if SRL Resource Library or a SRL Resource Library authorized representative has been notified orally or in writing of the possibility of such damage. Because some jurisdictions do not allow limitations on implied warranties, or limitations of liability for consequential or incidental damages, these limitations may not apply to you.

Jagex T&C's:

You must not reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any Jagex Product client software in any way (except to the extent allowed by applicable law). You must not use a modified/customised version of the client software or attempt to sub-license it. You must not create or provide any other means by which any Jagex Product may be played by others (including, without limitation, replacement or modified client/server software, server emulators). Please note that any such activity may constitute civil wrongs and/or criminal offences, and Jagex reserves the right to take such action as appropriate in the circumstances should it become aware that such offences are being committed.
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You agree that all intellectual property or other rights in any game character, account and items are and will remain our property. Jagex owns all rights in the Jagex Products, and you are only granted permission to use such products, subject to and in accordance with these Terms and Conditions.


Is SRL "decompiling/reverse engineering and/or modifying" there code? - No
Is SRL using a "modified" client/server/emulater to play the game? - No ( If using SMART then yes )
Is SRL "Claiming" To own items/money or anything else? - No

They mention civil wrong doing/criminal offence but then don't provide evidence to there claims
where it states that breaching there T&C's is a criminal offence.

They do not mention anything about macroing/botting in there T&C's.

If you read both T&C's it states that any wrong doing by "You" it should be "You" who suffers the consequences not any one else ( Which is common sense ) If you do something wrong why should someone else suffer?

If breaching there T&C's is a criminal offence then it should be gold farmers being sued not bot makers.

Don't use SMART and you're not breaching there T&C's

If anyone would like to verify this view both full T&C's below

SRL Full T&C's: http://villavu.com/index.php?pageid=tos
Jagex Full T&C's: http://www.jagex.com/g=runescape/terms/terms.ws

The Defence Rests Your Honour, Any Questions?


SMART doesn't modify the client.

Main

2012-05-07 21:41:16

smart allows thirdparty interaction.

doorsftw

2012-05-23 18:59:04

yea jagex will keep playing their fake cards trying to scare of botters but we stand together and bot our 99's together or until we get reset and then we quit and move on with our lives :)

Becks

2012-05-23 19:12:28

There was apparently ~200k 99 str bots reset.

Zeta Matt

2012-05-24 12:52:29

There is a way to cheat in everything, while they develop ways to stop our programming, we develop ways not to be stopped by their program.
This bot (simba) can be ordered to log out whenever it sees a mod, whenever you are doing something wrong, whenever it gets laagy… and whenever almost anything you want, which makes this bot a good undetectable bot.
Another good thing about simba is the language, which is easy to understand, so most of the users can edit the scripts to act like they would act normally, for example: I like to keep compassing around the map, I just can't take the damn finger from the arrows, so I add many "RandomMovement" procedures to the AntiRandoms…

zmon

2012-05-24 13:26:08

From: dude1994
They could try to class action law suite all the simba users, but that would be kind of shady since simba can be used for more than just rs


class action = many consumers suing one defendant

nevertheless they can't sue users of simba at large as group

besides they would have much better chance at stopping the distribution of scripts for simba that support runescape, however simba is not specifically targetted towards rs

it's like trying to block distribution of C++ compiler because few viruses used it to compile their software, you go after the virus library first

creedgaming

2012-05-24 22:27:59

From: Neros
blizzard stopped bots /facepalm/


Blizzard hasn't stopped Bots , lookup WoWMimic…

radplane

2012-05-24 23:25:04

From: creedgaming
Blizzard hasn't stopped Bots , lookup WoWMimic…


I think he may be talking about mmoglider. Had a great commnity but pretty certain blizz stepped in. Wow mimic is realy good tho, mmo glider just ran less gold-farmish imo/ime.

I like to add alot of super-rare anti-randoms in the mix, just to throw em off ;).:spot: If it adds a couple seconds to the proggy, o-well in most cases.

Deadshot

2012-05-25 00:41:11

From: weequ
I personally don't think they will be able to completely stop botting but they can make it harder and improve their bot detection systems.


they cant stop botting the only thing they ever really do is screw the legit players over which is pretty much wat got me personally into botting lol

aval98

2012-05-25 06:37:35

From: Main
If you think jagex's statement on color bots being "easy" to get rid of…
Check out
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopEaJglzWE


Also, again. Its proven they can't stop us



such an in depth video! i highly enjoyed watching it..some parts were kinda confusing but still good, onto watch number 19 now

wister1

2012-05-25 14:55:02

like i said before forget optimus, it aint gonna happen, at least not the way legits think its gonna be

A killer bot Robocop

Main

2012-05-25 15:15:19

legits actually think bots are gone..

These new rs players are funny :)