SRL Archive - Dear Staff..

Well let me begin to say that I know that I'm going to be flamed by the large majority of this site. Let me also include that I don't care, and that I'm impervious to mass pressure and am also totally flame-proof.
My complaint is this;

Mods on this site are either:
a. Prejudiced users who use their mod-ship privileges to exact revenge
b. Mindless automatons who automatically infract without due process
c. All of the above

I personally circled "c."



Let me start with Evidence (infraction) #1.

I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).

I was infracted for: "Insulted Other Member(s)" by BraK

Now let me explain the circumstances. We were arguing religion, and many of the victimized atheists were using the theory of evolution as proof against Biblical creationism. Of course, many of them brought up the theory that humans evolved from primates. I merely agreed with them.
Please explain IN DETAIL what was insulting about this message.
To me it seems as if you get infracted for being a Christian on this site, and promoted for being atheist (hint to all you achievers).

Evidence (infraction) #2
*Note, I am censoring this message so that delicate ears will not be offended.

Inappropriate Language BraK

From: BraK
Dear Swagger,

You have received an infraction at SRL-Forums.

Reason: Inappropriate Language
——-
I can't begin to tell you all the things wrong with your post. First Do Not Cussing there are better alternatives. Second Don't insult other Members.
——-

This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
[post]930897[/post]

From: Barnzy
i got an infraction for saying the f word and kingarabian get's nothing… unfair!

Don't feel bad, I found this on pastebin.

From: Nava2
Dear Timer,

You have received an infraction at SRL-Forums.

Reason: Insulted Other Member(s)
——-
Honestly, I'm getting sick of your immaturity around here.

Feel free to grow up, or at least leave until you do.

Cheers.
——-

This infraction is worth 2 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
[post]703033[/post]

From: TRiLeZ
I'm gonna make some more patterns for more hooks and post the up-to-date hooks later today.

Have fun. :)

All the best,
SRL-Forums

(Response)
"I Insulted him? Are you f****g mentally r******d? Go f**k yourself. Your the f****g one that is immature, you f*****g think everyone is f*****g immature, I mean, comon, what the F**K is wrong with you? Seriously, go f**k yourself–better yet, go f**k with Sh*tzup? <- that's insulting other members.
Jesus f**k what is your problem.."

All the best,
SRL-Forums

Really. I got infracted for quoting someone else's infraction. This site borders on Communism. You know, everyone in their perfect little utopia sharing everything -, but when you go against authority you get lined up for the firing squad. And all the little Simba's jump in like a bunch of sharks on the blood scent, because if they agree with you, then they're automatically a public enemy.
Now for the infraction.
Apparently I got infracted because it was not clear that I was quoting someone. NOT CLEAR they said.
Please refer to the bolded parts in Evidence #2.
1. "Don't feel bad, I found this on pastebin."
E. Can this get much simpler?
2. Under the infraction I put "(Response)" in parenthesis. It's obviously not
my thoughts on the subject, after all, I don't even know the dude.
When I confronted (actually, he confronted me) Markus he said this:

After some research, yes we found that quote of you on Pastebin.

Now. I would appreciate if all would focus on the message BraK sent me with the infraction (below).

I can't begin to tell you all the things wrong with your post. First Do Not Cussing there are better alternatives. Second Don't insult other Members.

I just have to say, I can't begin to tell you all the things wrong with your post. Over 4 grammatical errors in 3 sentences! Dude, are you serious? It looks like you reeled this thing off in 5 seconds. I doubt you even read the quote.

I would also like to point something out about this "Inappropriate Language" or "Do Not Cussing" as you put it.
1. If this site has something about 'bad' language, then you should censor
it. It's the next step to your Communist dreamworld anyways.
2.

From: BraK

Personally I think people taking other peoples stuff that had enough trust to let them in are scum of the earth and lower than the shit of terrorists ;)

You really outdid yourself here BraK. I found this literally without searching, just saw it in the top results and quoted you. In this one sentence you both broke your "Do Not Cussing"/Inappropriate Language AS WELL as insulting the dude asking the question. Does your hypocrisy know no bounds?
3.

From: Markus
I read some other bullshit of you attacking me in this PM, which I'll ignore for now

and

From: Markus
No North-Korea here, we'd get shit all over.

Could have fooled me with the North-Korea stuff. I've been threatened with the ban-hammer for complaining about this

My third complaint also has to do with Evidence #2.
If you look at what the dude was infracted for, you will see he was given 2 points for saying

Have fun. :)

.
Is there something wrong here?

That is all I have time to write right now, but it should be significant enough evidence for a drastic overhaul of the legal procedures on this site.

*I must say that despite quoting Markus, he has been quite a bit more reasonable than BraK.

I'm agreeing with you.

From: Sin
I'm agreeing with you.

Where's the catch?

E: I've PM'd the two mods and am waiting for their response.

What is new? lol

You were infracted for inappropriate language which is against the rules. Sorry if you feel you are above all the other users here and above the rules. Have a very nice day :)

From: Swagger
Where's the catch?

E: I've PM'd the two mods and am waiting for their response.

There's no catch, i'm a bit annoyed at the fact that the mods have infracted a new member for making a simple mistake.

From: BraK
You were infracted for inappropriate language which is against the rules. Sorry if you feel you are above all the other users here and above the rules. Have a very nice day :)

I think he was more mad that mods were using what he considered to be inappropriate language and not being infracted if that makes sense

You got a infraction due to you breaking a rule… so why complaint?
Let the higher ranks take care of each other.

Rough Example:

• You see cops beating our butts when we curse at them, but at the donut shop they'll curse like no other.

Also, your not banned… It's just a infraction Mate, I have gotten so many infractions/warnings; I raged, but than realized what I had done was wrong and I had deserved every warning/infraction that I was given.

It has been discussed and argued already in BBQ Pit, so no need of another useless thread like this.

'Now c'mon no need to circle up, no fight over here' lol.

The Timer case is different. He was collecting infractions.

He quoted Timer.. Nothing wrong there..

I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).

Nothing wrong there.. =S

And yeah.. we've had this fight before.. I'm not going to bother saying anything about it except that I agree.. Happened to me too. Just gotta live with it lol. Just weird that it happens this many times and still nothing happens.

I don't see why it's such a big deal when someone gets infracted. You can't see who gets infracted or not, so you can' say people who are higher ups don't get them.

From: ashaman88
I think he was more mad that mods were using what he considered to be inappropriate language and not being infracted if that makes sense

Everyone gets something done not just lower ranked users. When I do something wrong 9/10 I'm told about it(normally by hobbit he loves me <3) The point is no rank is exempt from the rules they apply all the way up the chain. Not everyone can see what a user is getting which we get more complaints about than anything. stuff like why should I get an infraction when such and such didn't. How do they know that users didn't already get an infraction.

There's one of these threads a month it seems, it's annoying.

This is the umpteen thread I've seen on this issue. Just brush them chips off your shoulder and move on? It really shouldn't concern you too much, infractions mean nothing except if you get a shed load (and that'll only happen if your actually doing something genuinely wrong) or brake some other big rule (i.e. Leaking).

Nava2 is known to give out some bull shit unnecessary infractions. #JustSayin

As for Brak, he's usually fair. He wants this forum to be clean and he does a good job of doing it. If you cuss in a post, expect a warning or an infraction that's how it is.

I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).

That just proves how ignorant you are to other people's opinions in my opinion. But I actually found that post quite funny.

From: BraK
Everyone gets something done not just lower ranked users. When I do something wrong 9/10 I'm told about it(normally by hobbit he loves me <3) The point is no rank is exempt from the rules they apply all the way up the chain. Not everyone can see what a user is getting which we get more complaints about than anything. stuff like why should I get an infraction when such and such didn't. How do they know that users didn't already get an infraction.

Yeah that makes sense. I didn't know that all infractions were private.

It happens.
Everyone's evil.

The Bashing Club / BBQ Pit While we are gentle and profound on all other Forums, The Bashing Club is a merry exception to this rule. Feel like flaming? spit it all out at the BBQ Pit…

You quoted me cussing in the one section made for it. Congratulations.

I would like to clear something up on this forum. I am not mad. These infractions were given a good bit of time ago, and getting a slap on the wrist from an internet forum bothers me very little. I didn't even ask for them to be repealed in this thread, even though I think that they really should.

The point of this thread is that I think mods are giving infractions for basically nothing. Posting "Have fun ;)" can give you an infraction. I'm surprised that I got pretty positive responses. That ape quote was a harmless joke - and it shouldn't be insulting for people who were just seconds ago arguing for evolution. The other infraction was for quoting someone else lol.
Mods are basically untouchable.

From: Kyle Undefined
There's one of these threads a month it seems, it's annoying.

I won't lie, I find you very annoying.

@BraK
Are you saying that I can cuss all I want in the BBQ? And how do you account for your horrible grammar - you know, the 5 second report you gave me lmao.

Question:
Is BraK the only mod really giving out infractions? I find it annoying/suspicious that all my infractions come from him (even though it's obvious he doesn't always have time as seen from the half-as*ed 2nd report).

Ha, good, and? It's the idiots who don't do anything to benefit this community that are annoyed by the ones who actually care.

From: Swagger
Are you saying that I can cuss all I want in the BBQ?

Please read some of the threads in there and know that they don't have infractions on them.

http://villavu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21

Infractions don't really mean anything(usually), except to watch yourself in the future.

This being the BBQ Pit and all….if you find a problem with authority being "corrupt" or whatever here, then you are not in reality. This community is one of the VERY FEW I have ever seen where the authority figures would do ANYTHING to benefit the community and have the best interests for EVERYONE in mind.

Stop quoting timer. That isn't relevant. He didn't get the infraction for posting "Have fun". He was childish and immature in a lot of his posts. He was scar orientated and always wanted everything different. That's fine till a certain degree. They got a long history with Timer, he was banned before.

The problem with moderaters and adminstrators in an online community is that they aren't just cops that are paid to keep an eye on us. They have goals no different than ours. Creating an awesome community around the SRL runescape library. And I think they are doing a great job an are acting mature and responsible. You have to remember they aren't payed for this nor do they get any benefit except for the respect of the SRL community.

Also Brak doesn't live in England but Germany. I don't say this is true in his case, but in mine it is. It costs more time to write something in English then in my mother language. Not much, as I've, or at least I believe, a decent knowledge about the English language. But when I make a lot of grammar errors, then I just tried to type something fast. At my normal type speed. Maybe this is also the case with Brak.

Another point where moderater/adminstrator may seem to have an unfair advantage on you is that they got more power than you. It's always difficult to work with a 'boss', just because the power levels aren't equal. You shouldn't be equal. And just think about it, the boss only requires you too behave. So yes, you can't harm them as they run the place, you are merely a guest to this community. Of course the whole community exist out of users, and SRL members aren't different. But they gave up the equal powers when they become moderator, this is a bigger sacrifice than you think it is. Everyone will always notice you have a higher rank in every thread.

They normally only pick out the bad posts, and give an infraction or two. I do not think that those examples you posted are that big of a deal. I can see what the thought where behind your "all atheist are apes" post, cause it's on the edge. They probably wouldn't except an "all Christians are pedophile" post either. Try not to forget about it but learn from it, and if you're uncertain where you crossed a line feel free to ask it. But these threads are annoying in the sense that you tell Brak he did his job wrong, cause you set your limits at other heights.

Yall have to understand that when we give out infractions here, it's for you're own good - and for the communities sake. You know when a cop gives you a ticket for speeding? Same thing, so you won't get into accidents and to protect the public. Some Admin's/Mod's give infractions based on their own opinions on what they see right or wrong. Some cops give you a ticket if you go 5 miles over the speed limit, and some are more lenient.

From: Kyle Undefined
Ha, good, and? It's the idiots who don't do anything to benefit this community that are annoyed by the ones who actually care.

Also, attack BraK one more time, and see what happens. I dare you.

What are you going to do? Little puffed up rooster. You think you benefit this community? I regularly see you flaming some new user and telling them to leave the site. Seriously, who the **** do you think you are?

From: Markus
You got my protection for this purpose.

= Outranked
Just leave my thread.

From: kingarabian
Yall have to understand that when we give out infractions here, it's for you're own good

Whhhhaaat lol? I've had a lot of experience with cops and speeding tickets. I go to court on practically every ticket, and normally win about half of them. I know that cops are not the good guys they pretend to be, they regularly lie in court about the circumstances. They even give me tickets for going 3 miles over. That's abuse, not justice. Cops are needed for crimes like murder, not for things like inconsequential things like speeding tickets.

@BraK, you've answered NONE of my questions, just maneuvered around them.

About Timer, his infraction seems like a sore spot around here. I didn't know the dude, but every time I mention it to a mod they start raging about me not knowing the full story. I know what I see, and I see that he got an infraction for saying "Have fun :)". There's no explaining that.

And I'm sure mods get special privileges.
1. Respect
2. HUGE power over people
a. Infractions, warnings, mutes (am I wrong), banning…

And stop the cop analogies. At least four people on the thread have used it.

From: Swagger

@BraK
Are you saying that I can cuss all I want in the BBQ?

From: BraK
Please read some of the threads in there and know that they don't have infractions on them.

http://villavu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21

Would you like me to say yes instead of posting where you can find the information for yourself. If so then Yes.

From: Swagger
What are you going to do? Little puffed up rooster.

This sentence can give you an Infraction. Markus didn't give you a shield by which you could hide behind and insult others. This is a place for your complaints against the staff.

From: Swagger

@BraK, you've answered NONE of my questions, just maneuvered around them.

Have I?

About timer just search I'm sure you'll find tons of stuff.

Also we don't mute here.

It's 2:17 AM here and I have to be up in a few hours for work good night I'll reply again tomorrow.

Regarding the OP, I've never gotten an infraction, also I've posted on a lot of religious debate threads and have never gotten in trouble for it at all.

Going with the other infractions, you were caught breaking the rules, you got an infraction that you deserved for it. Why did you deserve it? Because you broke the rules.

BUT-BUT HE AND SHE BROKE THE RULES TOO AND NOTHING HAPPENED TO THEM

You don't know if something did or did not happen to them, but that doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it as well. "But officer, the person infront of me was going faster than I was, clearly that makes it okay for me to speed!" Nope.

From: Swagger
And I'm sure mods get special privileges.
1. Respect
2. HUGE power over people
a. Infractions, warnings, mutes (am I wrong), banning…

And stop the cop analogies. At least four people on the thread have used it.

Well, what do you expect? This is a private community, you really have no right to be here or a say in what exactly goes on around here. They have authority over you and can do whatever they want, deal with it. Unless they're using their powers in an unjustified way, then you should talk to the person who is in charge over them and inform them, but that's not happening in your case.

tl;dr Quit whining, you got caught for breaking the rules, stop making excuses.

BraK-
Explain the grammar in your second infraction. That's the main point I want to hear.
And threatening to give me an infraction for saying that you're only proving my point.
Markus is your little buddy isn't he? After I started putting pressure on you, you went to Markus to try to overwhelm me. At least Markus was more reasonable then you.

And at josh81193
Dude, did you even read the thread?
1. I'm NOT asking for the repeal of my infractions. I'm asking for them and mods to be reviewed/some type of checks and balances to be put into place.
2. I asked for people to STOP the cop analogies. Were I'm from, cops aren't usually the good guys.

And I expected the little Simba sharks to join the hunt anyways. Maybe one day, if you continue your policy of sucking up, you'll be a mod too. I have no such aspirations. Heavy lies the crown.

I don't know what you guys are talking about really, he said nothing wrong at all. Up to my knowledge(Limited), Brak did not really think before giving out the infraction. As for BraK cussing, he probably got an infraction already.

Now to the main issue… Who here actually read through his whole post…? :)

Whenever you feel an injustice has taken place (WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO SEE INFRACTED POSTS), a nicely placed PM to a mod or SSRL or Admin or even an SRL member usually will do the trick. There is no need to create a thread to spew anger onto.

From: joeygupta
I don't know what you guys are talking about really, he said nothing wrong at all. Up to my knowledge(Limited), Brak did not really think before giving out the infraction. As for BraK cussing, he probably got an infraction already.

Now to the main issue… Who here actually read through his whole post…? :)

BraK claims you're allowed to cuss in the section where he posted, and mods will probably never infract each other. They're a brotherhood.

I didn't really expect people to read the whole thing, I just didn't want to be accused of half-a*sing it. It's also there for the rare few.

@ Cause

I've already talked to BraK (who blew me off), and Markus, who listened but then ignored me. Like I said, there's a brotherhood of the upper privileged users.

What does this grammar have to do with anything?

BraK is not the only staff to give out infractions. I give out plenty, most of the people realize they were being dumb and breaking the rules and apologize and change their actions. I suggest you try doing the same.

From: Swagger
Dude, did you even read the thread?
1. I'm NOT asking for the repeal of my infractions. I'm asking for them and mods to be reviewed/some type of checks and balances to be put into place.
2. I asked for people to STOP the cop analogies. Were I'm from, cops aren't usually the good guys.

And I expected the little Simba sharks to join the hunt anyways. Maybe one day, if you continue your policy of sucking up, you'll be a mod too. I have no such aspirations. Heavy lies the crown.

I just read the OP and skimmed through the other posts. The cop analogies aren't supposed to represent actual people, they're supposed to represent the thought of having an authority figure over you that you should listen to. (along with my cop analogy was more directed at the legal system and did not have any part in dealing with how the police officer felt, he was simply handing out a ticket because you were caught breaking the law) Also I'm just posting from my own logic/common sense, I do not wish to become a Mod. :p

But, regarding your first point, I did direct a part of my post at that "issue". Basically, it's not really an issue and if you have a problem, you can talk to someone in charge and tell them you don't think the infraction/warning you received was justified. But in the end, it's still a private community that you have no rights to be in, regardless of what you think is right and wrong, Admins can still ban you because they had a bad day at work.

Explain how I should change my actions, but first explain what was wrong with BOTH of my infractions.
His grammar is relevant because it showed that he doesn't even properly review infractions. He just spews something off the top of his head in about 3 seconds.

Also, I'm sorry, but I will not apologize for these infractions. That is the whole point of this thread, I think they were unfounded and unjust, and if anything, I expect BraK to apologize.

F*** this, seriously.

Really?
It was a HARMLESS MEME CONGRATULATING BRAK!
What happens? I get an infraction for showing my appretiation.
Seriously, mods need to be a little ALOT less uptight.

From: Swagger
Explain how I should change my actions, but first explain what was wrong with BOTH of my infractions.
His grammar is relevant because it showed that he doesn't even properly review infractions. He just spews something off the top of his head in about 3 seconds.

Also, I'm sorry, but I will not apologize for these infractions. That is the whole point of this thread, I think they were unfounded and unjust, and if anything, I expect BraK to apologize.

You have only received 1 infraction?

Sin, sorry about that. You probably got it from agreeing with me.
There is something so wrong with this system I'm amazing that it hasn't been fixed. Raging mods just infract whoever they want, and most people back the mod up? What?
Even in my school I wouldn't get in trouble for saying that.

And I've received two infractions.

Ya know, when they were cursing it wasn't directed towards anyone else, as opposed to your own comments. BraK made the right choices to infract you, I'd have done the same thing, I believe anyone with a good sense of the rules would have.

From: Flight
Ya know, when they were cursing it wasn't directed towards anyone else, as opposed to your own comments. BraK made the right choices to infract you, I'd have done the same thing, I believe anyone with a good sense of the rules would have.

Flight then please explain mine?
All i did was congratulate Brak in an enthusiastic fashion.
I do believe that you, Dgby and Kyle are the only chill mods (from what i've seen), that don't infract at the slightest word.

To be honest, you need to rethink the reason you even posted this thread. If your mad about some online forum mod giving you an infraction, then you need to rethink your priorities as well. So what if it's injustice? It's their forum for a reason, they can infract whomever for whatever they want, be it wrong or not. They do kind of baby the users of the forum though, and infract for stupid reasons, I can agree with that. But it's really not a big deal, find something else to complain about.

From: Sin
I do believe that you, Dgby and Kyle are the only chill mods (from what i've seen), that don't infract at the slightest word.

None of us are mods… lol

From: Swagger
There is something so wrong with this system I'm amazing that it hasn't been fixed. Raging mods just infract whoever they want, and most people back the mod up? What?
Even in my school I wouldn't get in trouble for saying that.

Which of your infractions did you not break the rules? I'm sure a Mod would be happy to take off that infraction.

No one cares about how your school or parents decide to discipline you, or other people, that's entirely irrelevant.

From: Dgby714
None of us are mods… lol

I meant SSRL *

From: josh81193
Which of your infractions did you not break the rules? I'm sure a Mod would be happy to take off that infraction.

No one cares about how your school or parents decide to discipline you, or other people, that's entirely irrelevant.

Neither of them.
The first one was not insulting, and the second one was a quotation of someone else.

Add a 3rd one btw:

From: Dgby714
Dear Swagger,

You have received a warning at SRL-Forums.

Reason:
——-
Insulted Other Member(s)

The comment should earn you an infraction, and I would have given you one if not for you'd be banned from it.

Comment to Kyle`Undefined:
"What are you going to do? Little puffed up rooster. You think you benefit this community?"
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Original Post:
[post]947781[/post]

From: Kyle Undefined
Ha, good, and? It's the idiots who don't do anything to benefit this community that are annoyed by the ones who actually care.

Also, attack BraK one more time, and see what happens. I dare you.

What are you going to do? Little puffed up rooster. You think you benefit this community? I regularly see you flaming some new user and telling them to leave the site. Seriously, who the **** do you think you are?

From: Markus
You got my protection for this purpose.

= Outranked
Just leave my thread.

From: kingarabian
Yall have to understand that when we give out infractions here, it's for you're own good

Whhhhaaat lol? I've had a lot of experience with cops and speeding tickets. I go to court on practically every ticket, and normally win about half of them. I know that cops are not the good guys they pretend to be, they regularly lie in court about the circumstances. They even give me tickets for going 3 miles over. That's abuse, not justice. Cops are needed for crimes like murder, not for things like inconsequential things like speeding tickets.

@BraK, you've answered NONE of my questions, just maneuvered around them.

About Timer, his infraction seems like a sore spot around here. I didn't know the dude, but every time I mention it to a mod they start raging about me not knowing the full story. I know what I see, and I see that he got an infraction for saying "Have fun :)". There's no explaining that.

And I'm sure mods get special privileges.
1. Respect
2. HUGE power over people
a. Infractions, warnings, mutes (am I wrong), banning…

And stop the cop analogies. At least four people on the thread have used it.

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
SRL-Forums

@ BigShark
I'm really not scared of you. You're one of the mindless drones that I despise. A brotherhood of crooks.

As everyone can see, I am willing to take the infractions and the negative reputation for this cause. If you people can not see corruption before your eyes, then I can't make the blind man see.
Peace.

S1N memes are annoying and it has cursing in it.
Yeah it was just a congratulation and but still broke rules.

I'd have just given you a warning for it.

Who is BigShark..?

Only 1 of them is an actual infraction. The first one BraK gave you and mine were "Warning"s.

Also, now I regret just giving you a warning. I was nice as an infraction would of landed you in a nice temp ban.

From: Swagger
@ BigShark
I'm really not scared of you. You're one of the mindless drones that I despise. A brotherhood of crooks.

As everyone can see, I am willing to take the infractions and the negative reputation for this cause. If you people can not see corruption before your eyes, then I can't make the blind man see.
Peace.

There is no conspiracy, it's just a botting community, I promise. Big Brother isn't reading all of our PM's, really, he's not.

From: YoHoJo
S1N memes are annoying and it has cursing in it.
Yeah it was just a congratulation and but still broke rules.

I'd have just given you a warning for it.

Meme's are the s… wait nvm, i'll probably get an infraction for that.

Leave the memes on 4chan and reddit, where they belong.

From: Hobbit
Leave the memes on 4chan and reddit, where they belong.

True true :p


E*, keep in mind that i'm not complaining about the infraction, as Hobbit has said to me before, it's only a point and nothing will come to harm of it.

From: Sin
Flight then please explain mine?
All i did was congratulate Brak in an enthusiastic fashion.
I do believe that you, Dgby and Kyle are the only chill mods (from what i've seen), that don't infract at the slightest word.

I'd have personally gone with a warning or something, after all the post was directed as a compliment. But 'tis BraK's thread, so it's his call.

You understand SRL is an escape from the dime-a-dozen common botting communities where cussing/flaming/spamming/trolling is practically a requirement. Isn't it nice to be among a more mature crowd would give you the benefit of the doubt and give respect to all? Obviously not everyone around here could be said as such, but if no one tries to maintain that atmosphere here then what sets us apart from the other communities?

I think I prefer the dime-a-dozen botting communities. They're better then this Communist site. And yes, it is Communist.

Some people just shouldn't be associated with power. It goes to their heads, they start to think they're God, and if you don't follow on their bandwagon, then they'll smite you lol.

@Dgby
Sucks I guess. But like I said, a temp ban would affect me very little as I don't bot anymore.

and BigShark isn't one person. It's synonymous with a group of people I despise.

Anyways, I can't hope for much until some intelligent people either become the majority or come into power.

Then leave and join them.

Staff does have checks and balances, each other.
Everyone and anyone who dserves an infraction or warning gets one.
Staff can see who gives who what and if they disagre they reverse it.
Staff is expected to follow rules just like everyone else.

Arguing and bashing in this thread won't change anything, nor is it getting you anywhere. And I doubt anyone feels like a god or the 'power' or enforcing rules on a forum for a video game gets to anyone's head.

Just follow the rules from now on, if you have a problem for a warning or infraction first like the person who gave it to you know via PM. If you're still unhappy PM a few others to see what they think about it. If you're still not happy then oh most likely deserved it. Like you said you dont care about them so then just leave it alone.

Let's just stop this thread, follow rules, and do above actions if you have a problem.
This thread is going nowhere.

And please don't make another one…..

You said

Anyways, I can't hope for much until some intelligent people either become the majority or come into power.

so whenever you think that is, feel free to come back.

Was hoping this wouldn't happen…

You have no right to close my thread. Do you think that every time someone complains about staff you can close it? The thread was in a designated section for staff, and I would like it to be reopened.
You're part of this conspiracy, shame.

Either that, or I would like everything that I have received from writing the thread to be reversed. I am willing to take the consequences from going against the flow, but I'm not willing to take negative rep and infractions for something that doesn't exist anymore.

I hope you reconsider and attempt to be fair. If you ask me, I was quite polite and fair during the writing of my thread.

~Swagger

From: Swagger
I think I prefer the dime-a-dozen botting communities. They're better then this Communist site. And yes, it is Communist.

Aha! You won't fool me any longer! Clearly this is a troll thread.

I went from being slightly irritated to fully outraged at this….

Swagger, you are not being a "hero" at all, you are the one being immature. Is it really a conspiracy if people from EVERY sect. of SRL agree that you have taken this too far? You are trying to act as a martyr in a war you have created.

Nothing has been accomplished by this besides creating a hostile environment. You continue to ignore ANY attempt to end this peacefully and throw it off as "an act of the conspiracy". YoHo tried to do the mature thing by closing this thread to prevent flaming in our community, yet you wanted it re-opened. Tell me then, who is the one creating problems then?

Haha, I don't regularly flame anyone, it's the people who decide to be idiots and don't follow the rules that I have zero tolerance for. Who do I think I am? Oh, I think I'm Kyle, that's who.

You're causing a big fuss over nothing.

Ha, thanks Sin :p

Hey you guys I've got an idea. Since this is going nowhere and it seems like swagger is not going to change his viewpoint and we all know the staff does a great job and there is no conspiracy (ROFL conspiracy to do what…?) let's all just STOP POSTING and feeding the fire.

From: josh81193
Aha! You won't fool me any longer! Clearly this is a troll thread.

Thank you YoHoJo
No this is not a troll thread. I do not have the time to do such things.
Let me put things out simply from now on.

I believe that there is a lot of injustice going around. I believe that BraK wronged me with his infractions, as did Dyk1923 or whatever his name is.
Staff members give newer users infractions in the blink of an eye, while turning their face when another person does something wrong. I also think that many of these infractions are over exaggerated. I mean cussing? Comon, how many people here at -13?
Basically this seems like a pointless battle, even to me, but I'm not one to give up.

@PatDuffy
Are you foreal lol? A "hero"?
Nah. I'm just not someone who rides on other people's nuts.

Wow, lol.. I personally would admit the mistake and withdraw the infraction where he quoted someone else, as that does not break any site rules that I am aware of.

The point isnt about "whats the big deal about getting an infraction"?, its about how certain situations are handled with a personal vandeta.. it's not professional.. I have the same problem with the admins in my runescape clan.

Im just glad there are a few good moderators on here.
A lot get offended very easily and resort to their banning powers for revenge oh honor.
Though ive never personally seen this, it's just a rule of thumb.
its the same with every forum..

All in all, this is an L0l thread i give it two thumbs up, sitting back and reading from my computer screen and watching everyone get all rowed up. hahaha. None of this is going to matter when your 30, so why waste precious time on it now?

From: Swagger
Nah. I'm just not someone who rides on other people's nuts.

I retract ALL of my previous statements. LMAO. In any case congratulations you got the thread re-opened. I hope you get whatever your trying to accomplish by keeping this thread alive. (Which is nothing)

My warning was justified, You insulted Kyle.
If you don't bot and you're not at least trying to be part of the community, Why are you here?
Also this thread should be closed, and no you should not have any rep/warnings/infractions reversed because of the close.
You still broke those rules just because we close the place where you broke them doesn't mean you didn't do it.

From: exilednoob
Wow, lol.. I personally would admit the mistake and withdraw the infraction where he quoted someone else, as that does not break any site rules that I am aware of.

The point isnt about "whats the big deal about getting an infraction"?, its about how certain situations are handled with a personal vandeta.. it's not professional.. I have the same problem with the admins in my runescape clan.

Im just glad there are a few good moderators on here.
A lot get offended very easily and resort to their banning powers for revenge oh honor.
Though ive never personally seen this, it's just a rule of thumb.
its the same with every forum..

All in all, this is an L0l thread i give it two thumbs up, sitting back and reading from my computer screen and watching everyone get all rowed up. hahaha. None of this is going to matter when your 30, so why waste precious time on it now?

The only reason it hasn't been reversed is because of this thread.
BraK has already said if he would of just pmed him and asked him to relook at it, he would have noticed his mistake.

From: Dgby714
My warning was justified, You insulted Kyle.
If you don't bot and you're not at least trying to be part of the community, Why are you here?
Also this thread should be closed, and no you should not have any rep/warnings/infractions reversed because of the close.
You still broke those rules just because we close the place where you broke them doesn't mean you didn't do it.



The only reason it hasn't been reversed is because of this thread.
BraK has already said if he would of just pmed him and asked him to relook at it, he would have noticed his mistake.

That's such a lie. I've PM'd him multiple times and just been ignored. Don't spout garbage lies like that aimed to teach me a lesson.

No it wasn't, don't lie to yourself. You were just trying to get back at me without going out too much on the limb.

From: Swagger
That's such a lie. I've PM'd him multiple times and just been ignored. Don't spout garbage lies like that aimed to teach me a lesson.

No it wasn't, don't lie to yourself. You were just trying to get back at me without going out too much on the limb.

Now how did you ask? Were you being rude when you pm'd him?

Yoho leave that as an infraction, Sin has had multiple language warnings, yet he doesn't change his actions. Lamesawse.

From: cause
Yoho leave that as an infraction, Sin has had multiple language warnings, yet he doesn't change his actions. Lamesawse.

Y up insult me nd cawl me lame?????
Infraction plz.

From: Kyle Undefined
Ha, good, and? It's the idiots who don't do anything to benefit this community that are annoyed by the ones who actually care.

Have to disagree with you there. ggzz posted his annoyance and he's just released 3 amazing script, which alternate world is it that ggzz doesn't benefit this community…?????

Looking at your reaction here, I find that infraction quite appropriate, S1n; If you had just PMed BraK about it or reported the PM, then I would have been against the infraction..

All this childish posts complaining about your infractions only makes it worse. Man up and act like an adult, and you'll see your "problems" vanish..

BraK didn't infract sin :/

From: momotron
Have to disagree with you there. ggzz posted his annoyance and he's just released 3 amazing script, which alternate world is it that ggzz doesn't benefit this community…?????

You took my words too literally, Swagger hasn't done ANYTHING to benefit this community. ggzz on the other hand has, is a great scripter :)

From: BraK
BraK didn't infract sin :/

This.
BraK actually gave me positive rep for it ^.^


It was Cause.

Kyle, I'm trying to do something now. Something this community has obviously done wrong for too long. There is no checks and balances in this site, and you can literally be infracted for saying anything.
You on the other hand are a negative influence. You agree with everything the higher authorities do (without consideration), and even have the balls to tell newer inexperienced users to leave. Users that have great potential, and are just asking silly questions everyone asked at one point or another. And I see that to answer these questions, you could do it in 10 words or less with minimum effort, yet you choose to discourage and flame them. Get a reality check bro.

Meanwhile, you call people on this thread "idiots" repeatedly, and I bet you you haven't gotten a infraction. Hypocrisy at it's greatest.
Grow up kid.

Ok Swagger, something to take into account: All of the SSRL and above (but also including some SRL members) have been here FOREVER, so please take that into consideration, we love this site, it's our online baby.
Also, when you talk like this:

and even have the balls to tell newer inexperienced users to leave

and

Grow up kid.

Your words instantly become hollow to me, because I am annoyed. You can't reach someone your annoying.

Anyways, what script are you working on? Something for the community? Maybe a little something to balance out that negative rep?

Meh, this thread is going nowwhere, close ?

From: Swagger
Kyle, I'm trying to do something now. Something this community has obviously done wrong for too long. There is no checks and balances in this site, and you can literally be infracted for saying anything.
You on the other hand are a negative influence. You agree with everything the higher authorities do (without consideration), and even have the balls to tell newer inexperienced users to leave. Users that have great potential, and are just asking silly questions everyone asked at one point or another. And I see that to answer these questions, you could do it in 10 words or less with minimum effort, yet you choose to discourage and flame them. Get a reality check bro.

Meanwhile, you call people on this thread "idiots" repeatedly, and I bet you you haven't gotten a infraction. Hypocrisy at it's greatest.
Grow up kid.

This site DOES have checks and balances, and you're proof of it.

How am I a negative influence? I don't agree with everything the higher ups say/do, I tend to disagree on a lot of stuff, however it's their forum so I don't cause a fuss over it. They do things for a reason.

The only people I tell to leave are the ones who scam, steal, say how horrible color is (I mean face it, why be here if you don't like it), or who generally have a horrible attitude. Everyone else, I welcome and help. I'd never tell anyone who is asking for help, learning, or a good person to leave here, please site your sources.

Most of the threads that are created and ask for help have been answered 100000x's before. Telling someone to search the forums is not wrong, it's the correct thing to do. Is telling them to stop wanting to be spoon fed flaming and discouraging? I don't think so. Minimum effort? You obviously read what you want to.

Funny thing is, I could of infracted you way earlier for your posts, yet, I let them go. If I'm such a horrible person that you say that I am, why didn't I infract you every chance I got? I honestly don't infract people that often, and 98% of the time it's with a warning and a well thought out and explanatory message.

From: BraK
You quoted me cussing in the one section made for it. Congratulations.

you may want to check with your mod buddies. It's still against the rule to swear in the bbq pit… (even if it's not directed at ANYONE)
yes, I've been infracted for it…



I agree with OP. but oh well. life goes on (:

and hobbit is nice :P

From: footballjds
you may want to check with your mod buddies. It's still against the rule to swear in the bbq pit… (even if it's not directed at ANYONE)
yes, I've been infracted for it…



I agree with OP. but oh well. life goes on (:

and hobbit is nice :P

What the, really?
Coh3n reversed my infraction because of that o.o

From: Sin
What the, really?
Coh3n reversed my infraction because of that o.o

really? dang(typed d*** but then realized what i did and used backspace ;) )
I would appeal but i can't even see that infraction anymore(i can only see recent ones, sadly i've had a plethora of them…) and it's long expired…

I only have one infraction left that isn't expired!!! :spot: so close!!!

From: footballjds
really? dang(typed d*** but then realized what i did and used backspace ;) )
I would appeal but i can't even see that infraction anymore(i can only see recent ones, sadly i've had a plethora of them…) and it's long expired…

I only have one infraction left that isn't expired!!! :spot: so close!!!

I just went through your whole infraction list, none were in the BBQ Pit :p

From: Hobbit
I just went through your whole infraction list, none were in the BBQ Pit :p

lies, lies lies lies lies, but i knew you were gonna check as soon as i posted… :P


EDIT: wait are you serious? :P No i swear i got one in there… I can't for the life of me remember what for… :'(
fine, I'm a filthy liar that makes up false "facts" to get my points across? ooops :'(

Swagger it seems like you (and a few others?) are the only ones complaining here. SRL has been around for many years and everything has been fine. Simba's growing, SRL is growing, more scripts are being made, more users are leaning how to script, more users are joining. Almost everyone and everything is fine and dandy and happy, the only thing I ever see too wrong at SRL is drama like this caused by users like you that gets us nowhere at all. We are a botting, learning, scripting, etc forum and we are doing a darn fine job at it I say. Everyone seems happy besides you.

I am very serious. I have composed a list of the sections they occurred in if you allow me to post it? :p

you know we're not allowed to swear on here. I'm sick of seeing mods swear when i get infracted for it. I've accepted the fact that i'm not allowed to swear and i DO NOT DO it anymore…

E:YoHoJo: Edited it to another word.

please and thank you,

love,

jesse

edit:

From: Hobbit
I am very serious. I have composed a list of the sections they occurred in if you allow me to post it? :p

haha, go for it. can you just post EVERY single infraction i've ever gotten and the reason/location ? :p

From: Swagger
I think I prefer the dime-a-dozen botting communities. They're better then this Communist site. And yes, it is Communist.

1. I think Communism is great!

2. I'm a vile, disgusting, horrid, grotesque, nose-picking, spit-sucking, blood-vessel sniffing, flesh-eating, hair-sucking, toe-smelling, skin-feeling, slimy-tasting, wonderful knowing man with juicy giant eggs for eyes.

3. Check out a book titled "The Well-Crafted Argument" and any other tome that explains logical fallacies or teaches reasoning and argument.

4. I think we all waste our time doing stupid things, especially me.


Quotes YoHoJo:
"Swagger it seems like you (and a few others?) are the only ones complaining here." = Problem.
"more scripts are being made" = value (but I see people complain about it because there are problems with how scripts are used)
"more users are leaning how to script" = value (teaching too, I suppose)
"Everyone seems happy besides you." = If he's not happy then = problem.

It's good to have value. Especially in your own life.

If I post anymore in this thread it's just to waste my time. Hi everybody.

[Removed by Hobbit]

No BBQ Pit :)

From: Hobbit
[Removed by Hobbit]

zomg, # :redface:

I will never become more then a srl member :'(

lols, i remember that one in the scar section… uh-oh…. hahahaha

edit: and that's not even all of them!!! :( I've received infractions that weren't even in a thread…

I've sworn in the BBQ pit before, just recently on a thread I made about new Members; I wasn't "infracted" for it. The context in how I used the words weren't directed towards someone (anyone), just used in a general sense.

Also, congratulations on only one infraction left to be expired, footballjds. :p

From: footballjds
zomg, # :redface:

I will never become more then a srl member :'(

lols, i remember that one in the scar section… uh-oh…. hahahaha

edit: and that's not even all of them!!! :( I've received infractions that weren't even in a thread…

You have 1 profile infraction.

Meh, there are Devs with close to the same amount as you. What you do now is more important than what you've done in the past. That is unless what you have done in the past is steal accounts or try to access peoples forum accounts by trying to dehash passwords from a neighboring site's database. Those are unforgivable :)

From: Hobbit
You have 1 profile infraction.

Meh, there are Devs with close to the same amount as you. What you do now is more important than what you've done in the past. That is unless what you have done in the past is steal accounts or try to access peoples forum accounts by trying to dehash passwords from a neighboring site's database. Those are unforgivable :)

Good think i only know something about one type of hash ;)
I think it's against the forum rules to post about it tho cause it's illegal in my country…

thanks for your vote of confidence though!

From: Flight
Also, congratulations on only one infraction left to be expired, footballjds. :p

I feel like a terrible person now :o :redface:

EDIT:
popular much:

From: footballjds
really? dang(typed d*** but then realized what i did and used backspace ;) )
I would appeal but i can't even see that infraction anymore(i can only see recent ones, sadly i've had a plethora of them…) and it's long expired…

I only have one infraction left that isn't expired!!! :spot: so close!!!

Wish I could say the same! But Wizzup gave me a gutless one that doesn't expire… Deserved of course :p

//offtopic: i got an infraction like 3-4 days ago for the large signature that i had :(, without a warning… nothing :(.

Ontopic, A new member should receive a warning at least, like a private message or something, not directly.

From: Griff
Wish I could say the same! But Wizzup gave me a gutless one that doesn't expire… Deserved of course :p

now i'm curious ;)

From: Tickyy
//offtopic: i got an infraction like 3-4 days ago for the large signature that i had :(, without a warning… nothing :(.

Ontopic, A new member should receive a warning at least, like a private message or something, not directly.

hopefully it wasn't your signature that i reported for being huge :'( I'd feel bad if you got an infraction
I doubt it was because it was a while ago, not 3-4 days…

From: Tickyy
Ontopic, A new member should receive a warning at least, like a private message or something, not directly.

They generally do. And when they don't I usually reverse it, or if it is an extreme circumstance I leave it.

From: footballjds
now i'm curious ;)



hopefully it wasn't your signature that i reported for being huge :'( I'd feel bad if you got an infraction
I doubt it was because it was a while ago, not 3-4 days…

no… i got it from Jason2gs

From: Tickyy
no… i got it from Jason2gs

un-lucky, i got a warning when my sig was too big…

EDIT:

holy jesus mods are editing my posts… :p

From: footballjds
un-lucky, i got a warning when my sig was too big…

Well, i got what i deserved, even if its harsh or not. I loved the design that much that i didn't feel like to re-sizing it. Not much to whine about this, i learn from my mistakes.

This site DOES have checks and balances, and you're proof of it.

How am I a negative influence? I don't agree with everything the higher ups say/do, I tend to disagree on a lot of stuff, however it's their forum so I don't cause a fuss over it. They do things for a reason.

The only people I tell to leave are the ones who scam, steal, say how horrible color is (I mean face it, why be here if you don't like it), or who generally have a horrible attitude. Everyone else, I welcome and help. I'd never tell anyone who is asking for help, learning, or a good person to leave here, please site your sources.

Most of the threads t.hat are created and ask for help have been answered 100000x's before Telling someone to search the forums is not wrong, it's the correct thing to do. Is telling them to stop wanting to be spoon fed flaming and discouraging? I don't think so. Minimum effort? You obviously read what you want to.

Funny thing is, I could of infracted you way earlier for your posts, yet, I let them go. If I'm such a horrible person that you say that I am, why didn't I infract you every chance I got? I honestly don't infract people that often, and 98% of the time it's with a warning and a well thought out and explanatory message.

You consider me a checks and balance? I'm not sure whether to be pleased or outraged. As you can see, this checks and balance is getting stomped all over, continuously.

Of course they do it for a reason, but ask yourself, is the reason fully justified? There's lots of people on this thread who are complaining about unfair infractions they got. And look at it this way, the likelihood of one mod infracting another mod is substantially lower then a mod infracting a regular player.
My stance on color is that I'm very impressed. It was undeniably the only client up after the bot nuke, and is much more advanced then people stated (I never believed them anyways).

Let me give you one circumstance. I remember a thread recently where some poor dude asked if the Dungeoneering bot on RareBot worked. He claimed he was too scared of getting keylogged or whatever by the site.
And instead of you helping him out, with even one word "No", you and about 10 other members joined the witchhunt.
Do these type of threads about RareBot show up too often? Absolutely, but it's a harmless question especially since there's no Dungeoneering script on here. Meanwhile, the dude was getting flamed for what? Two straight pages?

As for the infractions. It seems like WAY to many people have the power to infract. I've already been infracted on this thread for calling you a rooster - lol? For quoting someone else? Tell me these infractions were not wrong. Meanwhile, I'm sure you've already contributed your angry sentiments in giving me negative reputation.
Just let me take a guess - you were the one who said "Grow up"?

So what I offer, as a solution, is a tribunal. People have the opportunity to
a. Talk to mods to repeal infraction (which all the mods claim work)
and if the mod(s) refuse(s), and the person thinks he's still being mistreated, then I suggest a type of e-court.
You put your evidence and your side of the story before some kind of group/individual to rule upon. I would prefer SRL members (really undetermined atm) for this, any higher and I think your in the brotherhood (watch out for your own).
This adds a judicial branch to your extremely powerful and influential executive branch.

Thoughts?

From: Swagger
You consider me a checks and balance? I'm not sure whether to be pleased or outraged. As you can see, this checks and balance is getting stomped all over, continuously.

Of course they do it for a reason, but ask yourself, is the reason fully justified? There's lots of people on this thread who are complaining about unfair infractions they got. And look at it this way, the likelihood of one mod infracting another mod is substantially lower then a mod infracting a regular player.
My stance on color is that I'm very impressed. It was undeniably the only client up after the bot nuke, and is much more advanced then people stated (I never believed them anyways).

Let me give you one circumstance. I remember a thread recently where some poor dude asked if the Dungeoneering bot on RareBot worked. He claimed he was too scared of getting keylogged or whatever by the site.
And instead of you helping him out, with even one word "No", you and about 10 other members joined the witchhunt.
Do these type of threads about RareBot show up too often? Absolutely, but it's a harmless question especially since there's no Dungeoneering script on here. Meanwhile, the dude was getting flamed for what? Two straight pages?

As for the infractions. It seems like WAY to many people have the power to infract. I've already been infracted on this thread for calling you a rooster - lol? For quoting someone else? Tell me these infractions were not wrong. Meanwhile, I'm sure you've already contributed your angry sentiments in giving me negative reputation.
Just let me take a guess - you were the one who said "Grow up"?

So what I offer, as a solution, is a tribunal. People have the opportunity to
a. Talk to mods to repeal infraction (which all the mods claim work)
and if the mod(s) refuse(s), and the person thinks he's still being mistreated, then I suggest a type of e-court.
You put your evidence and your side of the story before some kind of group/individual to rule upon. I would prefer SRL members (really undetermined atm) for this, any higher and I think your in the brotherhood (watch out for your own).
This adds a judicial branch to your extremely powerful and influential executive branch.

Thoughts?

think you have an unfair infraction? PM hobbit<3

From: footballjds
un-lucky, i got a warning when my sig was too big…

EDIT:

holy jesus mods are editing my posts… :p

that one was probably me. I give out warnings on sig not really into infractions for those as it's pretty minor. Unless of course the user refuses to change said sig.

From: Swagger
You consider me a checks and balance? I'm not sure whether to be pleased or outraged. As you can see, this checks and balance is getting stomped all over, continuously.

Of course they do it for a reason, but ask yourself, is the reason fully justified? There's lots of people on this thread who are complaining about unfair infractions they got. And look at it this way, the likelihood of one mod infracting another mod is substantially lower then a mod infracting a regular player.
My stance on color is that I'm very impressed. It was undeniably the only client up after the bot nuke, and is much more advanced then people stated (I never believed them anyways).

Let me give you one circumstance. I remember a thread recently where some poor dude asked if the Dungeoneering bot on RareBot worked. He claimed he was too scared of getting keylogged or whatever by the site.
And instead of you helping him out, with even one word "No", you and about 10 other members joined the witchhunt.
Do these type of threads about RareBot show up too often? Absolutely, but it's a harmless question especially since there's no Dungeoneering script on here. Meanwhile, the dude was getting flamed for what? Two straight pages?

As for the infractions. It seems like WAY to many people have the power to infract. I've already been infracted on this thread for calling you a rooster - lol? For quoting someone else? Tell me these infractions were not wrong. Meanwhile, I'm sure you've already contributed your angry sentiments in giving me negative reputation.
Just let me take a guess - you were the one who said "Grow up"?

So what I offer, as a solution, is a tribunal. People have the opportunity to
a. Talk to mods to repeal infraction (which all the mods claim work)
and if the mod(s) refuse(s), and the person thinks he's still being mistreated, then I suggest a type of e-court.
You put your evidence and your side of the story before some kind of group/individual to rule upon. I would prefer SRL members (really undetermined atm) for this, any higher and I think your in the brotherhood (watch out for your own).
This adds a judicial branch to your extremely powerful and influential executive branch.

Thoughts?

First off negative rep and infractions are vastly different. You have received no infraction from this thread, only a warning.

Second, that is already in place. When you get an infraction, its not really hard to hit the reply button and send a message back to the issuer. If you disagree with the response, forward the message to an admin. It is really not that hard.

Infractions arrant a big deal, we really don't need some ecourt system to vote on weather or not an infraction is justified or not… A bit overkill.

And I already stated in this thread long ago, if you have a problem with an infraction then PM the mod who gave you it. If you still have a problem then PM a few more mods for more opinions about it. Easy. Problem solved.

About the dung script thread, I doubt any of the flaming posts were made by staff.

Byam. Looks like hobbit and I posted at the same time with the same basic content.
I think your questions and requests are all answered. Along with anyone else with problems with infractions. PM the mod/admin (or reply to the infraction) and if you still believe you're right then PM an admin.

Be polite and don't attack the person giving the infraction because they are more likely to hear your case if they aren't being mocked or threatened. All replies I receive for infractions I report higher so that other staff are aware of the situation. That is why more than one staff will address the situation when it escalates. The moment I received your Reply the other staff were made aware of it. If you had approached that reply better your one single infraction would have been reversed. Markus told you the only reason it wasn't going to be was because of the way you decided to handle that situation.

Lol ecourt. I can understand that you don't want to be judged by Masons only.

YoHoJo:whether.

From: Zyt3x
Looking at your reaction here, I find that infraction quite appropriate, S1n; If you had just PMed BraK about it or reported the PM, then I would have been against the infraction..

All this childish posts complaining about your infractions only makes it worse. Man up and act like an adult, and you'll see your "problems" vanish..

This. I can't believe this thread is even 5 pages long now.

From: Swagger
You consider me a checks and balance? I'm not sure whether to be pleased or outraged. As you can see, this checks and balance is getting stomped all over, continuously.

Of course they do it for a reason, but ask yourself, is the reason fully justified? There's lots of people on this thread who are complaining about unfair infractions they got. And look at it this way, the likelihood of one mod infracting another mod is substantially lower then a mod infracting a regular player.
My stance on color is that I'm very impressed. It was undeniably the only client up after the bot nuke, and is much more advanced then people stated (I never believed them anyways).

Let me give you one circumstance. I remember a thread recently where some poor dude asked if the Dungeoneering bot on RareBot worked. He claimed he was too scared of getting keylogged or whatever by the site.
And instead of you helping him out, with even one word "No", you and about 10 other members joined the witchhunt.
Do these type of threads about RareBot show up too often? Absolutely, but it's a harmless question especially since there's no Dungeoneering script on here. Meanwhile, the dude was getting flamed for what? Two straight pages?

As for the infractions. It seems like WAY to many people have the power to infract. I've already been infracted on this thread for calling you a rooster - lol? For quoting someone else? Tell me these infractions were not wrong. Meanwhile, I'm sure you've already contributed your angry sentiments in giving me negative reputation.
Just let me take a guess - you were the one who said "Grow up"?

So what I offer, as a solution, is a tribunal. People have the opportunity to
a. Talk to mods to repeal infraction (which all the mods claim work)
and if the mod(s) refuse(s), and the person thinks he's still being mistreated, then I suggest a type of e-court.
You put your evidence and your side of the story before some kind of group/individual to rule upon. I would prefer SRL members (really undetermined atm) for this, any higher and I think your in the brotherhood (watch out for your own).
This adds a judicial branch to your extremely powerful and influential executive branch.

Thoughts?

I honestly don't see why you'd be outraged, it's an online community, not something that affects you personally.

There are many people who want certain things to happen, yet, they don't so we respect their decisions. That's the thing, they own these forums, they were chosen for a reason to control these boards.

Wait, because other decided to flame on a thread that I posted on means what exactly? I honestly don't understand. Please cite your sources, like I asked you in my last post. If you're truly this "outraged", then you wouldn't have a problem linking to all the "horrible flaming" posts. Also, that post could of been avoided if the person just would of searched first, as that's been asked many times.

Only SSRL+ can infract, and to be honest, that's not a lot of people. Angry sentiments? Sorry, I don't get angry on the internet, since I can just walk away or work and totally forget about what's going on. Oh yes, I did say that, and I still think you should. You handled this thing entirely wrong.

The e-court idea is not needed, since YoHoJo and Hobbit both have explained why not.

Ok, I don't think you will give a single inch, but to be honest I don't do that either. I understand that is very annoying if you get an infraction which you believe is undeserved. This will always happen in a society where there is such a big grey undefined area in the rules. This grey area can be filled with the personal opinion of the members with powers to give infractions. When multiple people are posting on the edge it can happen that you will be the only one that gets an infraction. This may seem unfair, but you could prevent that by staying away from the edge and behave as mature as possible.

As for the negative reputation you have received, that isn't the moderators fault. Probably there are one or multiple users that decided that these posts were not wanted. The amount of reputation you currently have is a representation of the amount of respect you have earned in this community. When you create a thread like this, you will not earn a lot reputation, most users will think in the lines of why would you discuss this in the open, others might find it offensive as you seem to have a problem with most if not all SSRL+ members. It isn't really the moderators their problem. Release a few script or help some people out to gain some reputation if your think it's that important.

The idea of a system where members+ are voting for the correctness of a moderators behavior and decision to give an infraction horrifies me. I don't visit this forum to be a part of some sort of judge. I'm not here to make sure the moderators behave, that is the administrators "job". I also think that is going to create tension between certain members and moderators we do need in this community. I don't want to judge a moderator who is also a user from the society. With them giving you a infraction they will briefly show the inequality between the user and the moderator. This is not state that should exist between members and moderators. And I will never vote for that reason.

Also note we are a little color bot, why would we need an huge system to regulate infractions. You are a user right? We do offer scripts and tons of learning resources. We offer help if the question isn't asked a million times before. I will not visit this forum to be a judge. Just behave mature and you will never/rarely get an infraction.

I have always wondered why i have -21 rep -.-

@Kyle - not sure why you're mad, I wasn't insulting you. I also don't have time to search, but when I tried I got this anyways "Searching has been disabled."
Probably some technical issue.

I agree that I handled it wrong. But when I get an infraction for what I considered a BS reason, I'm really not the kind of person who just takes things.

I still advocate some other kind of tribunal. I know that mods don't like me.

@Mushini

You talking about Freemasons lol?

BB, awesome post! :D

I never said I was mad? Where are you pulling that from?

From: masterBB
Ok, I don't think you will give a single inch, but to be honest I don't do that either. I understand that is very annoying if you get an infraction which you believe is undeserved. This will always happen in a society where there is such a big grey undefined area in the rules. This grey area can be filled with the personal opinion of the members with powers to give infractions. When multiple people are posting on the edge it can happen that you will be the only one that gets an infraction. This may seem unfair, but you could prevent that by staying away from the edge and behave as mature as possible.

As for the negative reputation you have received, that isn't the moderators fault. Probably there are one or multiple users that decided that these posts were not wanted. The amount of reputation you currently have is a representation of the amount of respect you have earned in this community. When you create a thread like this, you will not earn a lot reputation, most users will think in the lines of why would you discuss this in the open, others might find it offensive as you seem to have a problem with most if not all SSRL+ members. It isn't really the moderators their problem. Release a few script or help some people out to gain some reputation if your think it's that important.

The idea of a system where members+ are voting for the correctness of a moderators behavior and decision to give an infraction horrifies me. I don't visit this forum to be a part of some sort of judge. I'm not here to make sure the moderators behave, that is the administrators "job". I also think that is going to create tension between certain members and moderators we do need in this community. I don't want to judge a moderator who is also a user from the society. With them giving you a infraction they will briefly show the inequality between the user and the moderator. This is not state that should exist between members and moderators. And I will never vote for that reason.

You summed my opinion up pretty well. We have a set of rules, rules that enforced by the SRL Staff, they all interpret the rules a little differently but we generally share the same opinions. If you're upset because you didn't abide by the rules or feel that you've received an infraction in error, then please just respond to the Infraction warning in private.

There's nothing ``wrong'' with the staff on this forum and we're not a ``communist'' forum, although I probably shouldn't take that seriously considering that you used the word to describe a public and open forum. We don't ``censor'' you, we just don't wish you to act in certain ways around our place. I'm sure you'll find that is the case in the real world and other (proper) online communities as well.

@Thread starter: If this doesn't appeal to you, feel free to leave.