SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

There are many different perspectives on the afterlife. Heck, there are many different perspectives on life itself. If one can not understand life, then should we question the after life?

In my opinion, life is but a dream. When we die, we wake up; as if our previous life was just a daydream, or a blink of an eye.

What do you guys think about the afterlife? Is there one? Why / why not.

Discuss!

I do believe there is an afterlife, I however do not believe in God/Jesus/any mythical figures. Science has more theories which favor evolutionism, which is what I believe. Creationalism just cannot be justified, no matter how hard anyone tries. After we die, I believe we are all reincarnated in another life - whether it be an animal, insect, or human. Think about it, where were we before our parents gave birth to us? We could've been Abraham Lincoln a few lives prior, we don't know. Truth is we have no remembarance of any of our past, what do we remember before we were born? Absolutely nothing.

I'm pretty sure I will revive here: http://tinyurl.com/76lcrw3

Respawn in Lumbridge.

One idea I like to entertain is that our "souls" or the essence of ourselves (whatever you wanna call it) are limited by the body and it's 5 senses and that the whole "afterlife" thing is just being free from the body and it's limitations ie. slipping into another dimension. But I also think it's quite possible nothing happens to us at all and it's all been mental acrobratics to make us feel better about death.

From: masterBB
I'm pretty sure I will revive here: http://tinyurl.com/76lcrw3

Made me lol so hard! XD.

When you die, your brain stops sending electrical currents around and your cells will eventually stop dividing themselves.

From: Zyt3x
When you die, your brain stops sending electrical currents around and your cells will eventually stop dividing themselves.

Which means that when you die, there's nothing. Simple as that.

Although nothing doesn't exist.

You would simply stop existing.

From: Cinkupis
Which means that when you die, there's nothing. Simple as that.

Although nothing doesn't exist.

You would simply stop existing.

But since we're made up of energy, the law of conservation of energy must be applied. Energy never ceases to exists, it is merely transfered.

Any thoughts on this?

When you die you get put into a coffin and your body rots underground.

From: 3von
But since we're made up of energy, the law of conservation of energy must be applied. Energy never ceases to exists, it is merely transfered.

Any thoughts on this?

It could go kinda how half-lifes work with atoms, it just goes into the surrounding environment.

From: 3von
But since we're made up of energy, the law of conservation of energy must be applied. Energy never ceases to exists, it is merely transfered.

Any thoughts on this?

But there is only one very specific form of energy that can be considered "you". After it is transferred into another form, it ceases to be you. So what is the point?

In my opinion, the idea of an afterlife where you are still "you" does not make sense. If you want to broaden the definition of an afterlife, then I would be inclined to agree that there is one. Our bodies are used as a food source when we die, so our chemical composition is used and recycled through the earth by living organisms. Your body's atoms are used to create new life and sustain existing life, and therefore can be considered a part of your "afterlife". But really, there would not be much point calling it "your afterlife" as it is not really "you" as you currently define yourself.

its impossible to conceive the concept of a void after death. you cant imagine it, its impossible to think about directly, so i believe there has to be some sort of extension after this life.

otherwise whats the point? Im catholic but by force of my parents, not by choice. theres so much wrong with organized religion its ridiculous.

I don't have any religious views but I think in the afterlife, there is nothing.
I always had this weird feeling that after you die, you are born into a new life as a baby for hatchling of some sort. BUT, you don't remember anything as if your mind has been wiped clean of everything you ever knew and you have to repeat the process of life over and over and over… and over.

Interesting thought though, if you were God (not saying there is one) but if you were God, what kind of people would you like in heaven. How about somebody that's lived every life there was to live so they understand the viewpoint of everyone? You die, you are a soul that remembers all of your past lives, you get put into another life without memory, you die in that life, repeat until complete. Not saying that's what I believe but that would be neat.

You get reborn into a different life :O

or go to hell/heaven

From: Maxalon
Respawn in Lumbridge.

hahaha, ima respawn in edgville then lol

Interesting to think about. I hope I'm revived as a star or something. :p

I go into the Earth and become a tree, then I get cut down and printed into a Bible.

I really don't know what will happen, but I have a really hard time believing that you are just "done", with no afterlife/reincarnation at all.

Very direct question. The answer, one can not know.

Buddhist monks hold a very interesting view; they say that one goes through a phase called Samsara which is essentially an incubation period after death, and ending in a rebirth, which lasts 46 days.

This is quite interesting because you cannot tell the gender of a fetus until 46 days after conception. Which coincidentally is also the same time the pineal gland (the gland that holds the "soul" molecule, DMT) forms from specialized cells that are purposely separated from brain tissue cells, where it eventually comes to rest in the very center of one's brain.

The belief of Samsara has been held for thousands of years and well before we could use science to determine those scientific findings, so I think that the monks must have gotten something right.

You might be interested in other DMT studies. Alot of scientists call it the God molecule, I'll try to find the link of a documentary on it that I saw.

From: Nietszche
You might be interested in other DMT studies. Alot of scientists call it the God molecule, I'll try to find the link of a documentary on it that I saw.

I've watched/read everything there is to know about DMT :P

Was it a documentary with an old british dude?

From: Solidone40
I go into the Earth and become a tree, then I get cut down and printed into a Bible.

It's not funny when you steal that joke from someone else.

From: Flight
It's not funny when you steal that joke from someone else.

It's even less funny when it's stolen from someone who is known for stealing jokes.

I've watched/read everything there is to know about DMT :P

Was it a documentary with an old british dude?

It had Joe Rogan in it.

I'm fairly certain there is no afterlife. You just die and that's it.

The closest experience (or lack of) I can imagine would be much like when you are made unconcious under a general anaesthetic during a major operation in hospital. You can be out for hours, no dreams, thoughts, nothing, and you wake up like feeling like no time has passed at all.

Although it would be nice to continue to float around as some sort of cognitive sensing ethereal being I'm not getting my hopes up :P.

From: edfromhumanresources
I'm fairly certain there is no afterlife. You just die and that's it.

The closest experience (or lack of) I can imagine would be much like when you are made unconcious under a general anaesthetic during a major operation in hospital. You can be out for hours, no dreams, thoughts, nothing, and you wake up like feeling like no time has passed at all.

Although it would be nice to continue to float around as some sort of cognitive sensing ethereal being I'm not getting my hopes up :P.

There are actually stories of people under anaesthetics who watched their surgeries from a 3rd person view and knew things they NEVER would have known unless they were telling the truth. Not sure if I believe it but it's rather intriguing. Seems to only happen to people that are on the verge of death.

From: Runaway
There are actually stories of people under anaesthetics who watched their surgeries from a 3rd person view and knew things they NEVER would have known unless they were telling the truth. Not sure if I believe it but it's rather intriguing. Seems to only happen to people that are on the verge of death.

i learnt about them in RS, they are called NDE's (Near Death Experiences)
i personally dont believe in them, i believe that once your dead, your dead

~shut

Yip, it's really wierd. Patients have related conversations of surgeons with other operating staff, and given accurate visual descriptions of the surgical procedure when as far at the attendings were concerned the patient was fully under the anesthetic.

EDIT: Oops. sorry Runaway - I see that I said pretty much exactly what you did. Guess I didn't read all the posts. :duh:

The answer is very simple, you die, you become worm food. There is no heaven or hell, there is no devil or "god", it's all just kid storys to get you believing in something, science has done a lot more for man-kind than any religion can….

religion kills (starts wars), science saves lives, FACT.

From: ryangraham22
The answer is very simple, you die, you become worm food. There is no heaven or hell, there is no devil or "god", it's all just kid storys to get you believing in something, science has done a lot more for man-kind than any religion can….

religion kills (starts wars), science saves lives, FACT.

And we get into the old religion vs science debate again.. Science kills as well.. who invented weapons? Who invented gunpowder.. ahh don't even bother replying. That was just ignorant.

Iunno what happens when u die but I know near death experiences exist.. Same with the whole life flashing before you die.. There's just way too many ppl that confirm it for me to not believe it.

When we die nothing happens ( to bad).
The atoms and molecules that once were our parts that formed our body will fall apart and become other material.

From: fre
When we die nothing happens ( to bad).
The atoms and molecules that once were our parts that formed our body will fall apart and become other material.

If you believe in science I'm assuming you believe in higher dimensions since they are essentially irrefutable based on the proofs of the existence of time and lower dimensions.

You don't think that we are linked to a higher dimension in any way? I find it hard to believe that we can be so firmly rooted in the lower 3 dimensions and not be connected to any higher ones. After all, everything natural is based upon connections and patterns.

From: Daniel
Very direct question. The answer, one can not know.

But one can make conjectures of what happens after. Being human draws us towards these questions and we all like to throw our ideas and opinions out because I believe talking about "life" and "after life" humbles us.

Now for the OP, I think there are three main possibilities to what may happen.
1. Our entire cognitive being ceases to exists and you become obliterated (What I'm getting at is no life after death).
2. There is a Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory and we become judged on the lives we lived.
3. We reincarnate as another being, unknowing of our previous existence because we have different brain connections that make memories and personalities. We are completely different.

Isn't this fun? I would love to be a philosopher and just ponder questions like these forever.

Oh yea, and I'd like to throw this out there for people who are astutely against there being a god. If there is a god and it created everything, what makes you think you could prove or disprove of its existence? Human logic is ran on making sense, if god is all powerful, we could never comprehend it because it doesn't (make sense). You in a sense are putting yourself on god's level.

And yes, I do believe in God because it is better to believe in it and be wrong and be obliterated than it is to not believe in god and go to Hell for eternal damnation.

Oh, and I'm not telling you to believe in God, I'm just throwing out there my thoughts and ideas on this whole matter so that you can make that decision yourself. I see more often than not, atheists who bash on religious beliefs because they say we are "idiots" "uneducated" and "blindly believe in something that doesn't exists and accept it as truth." That is farthest from the truth. We love to ponder questions about this.

So please, if you are atheist and are about to post something against religion, think about what you are saying because if you are going to bash on a religion 90% of the time you just sound like an arrogant asshole who can't think for himself. What I like to call a band-wagon atheist.

Damn, I kind of veered off course. Hopefully reading this has been at least slightly thought provoking to you (It was fun writing this).

I'm also Catholic.

From: Shuttleu
i learnt about them in RS, they are called NDE's (Near Death Experiences)
i personally dont believe in them, i believe that once your dead, your dead

~shut

Actually, I've heard that when you die you see white light because a rush of endorphins go to your brain causing a chemical reaction which makes it seem like we are seeing white light when we die (or near death). I know this doesn't really help my speech on why I believe God exists but I think it is actually quite interesting. I wonder what might be the truth? Only one way to find out.

Depends on your faith. As a Muslim I firmly believe in an after-life. However if you are looking for clear cut evidence you wont find it because no one has died and then came back alive to tell us what happened.

From: kingarabian
because no one has died and then came back alive to tell us what happened.

TLC or somewhere did a special on people who were brought back to life 2-15 minutes after they were dead, It was quite interesting.

We go to chocolate land, duh.

This question just doesn't compile in my mind.

[Error] : Lack of data


There is no rigid proof to confirm or refute any theory. All you can have is pathetic belief.

From: beginner5
This question just doesn't compile in my mind.

[Error] : Lack of data


There is no rigid proof to confirm or refute any theory. All you can have is pathetic belief.

Pathetic belief?! That's a pathetically conceited statement.

If u want to know what will be after the death of this material body, you should read the books of Prabhupada. We are not this body we are in the body, we are the eternal souls that don't die after our bodys death.

From: Runaway
If you believe in science I'm assuming you believe in higher dimensions since they are essentially irrefutable based on the proofs of the existence of time and lower dimensions.

You don't think that we are linked to a higher dimension in any way? I find it hard to believe that we can be so firmly rooted in the lower 3 dimensions and not be connected to any higher ones. After all, everything natural is based upon connections and patterns.

My belief is that if we are linked to a higher dimension natural selection would have evolved us to interface/sense/conceptualise in that dimension in some way.

Because we can't, I assume that anything that happens in that dimension is of no concequence to our existence.

I can't reason why it would have any more consequence when the physical neuropathways that give structure to our consciousness have begun to decay and dissappear after electrical braindeath (people have been know to revive from close to electrical braindeath).

From: edfromhumanresources
My belief is that if we are linked to a higher dimension natural selection would have evolved us to interface/sense/conceptualise in that dimension in some way.

Because we can't, I assume that anything that happens in that dimension is of no concequence to our existence.

I can't reason why it would have any more consequence when the physical neuropathways that give structure to our consciousness have begun to decay and dissappear after electrical braindeath (people have been know to revive from close to electrical braindeath).

I urge you to read some studies on DMT and it's effects on people. I think it will really change your mind on our connection to higher dimensions.

Personally I try to not think about it. It is after all the last surprise of my life.

Hopefully in 30 years time we'll be able to obtain robocop mode with artificial body parts.

From: Chrome
I don't have any religious views but I think in the afterlife, there is nothing.
I always had this weird feeling that after you die, you are born into a new life as a baby for hatchling of some sort. BUT, you don't remember anything as if your mind has been wiped clean of everything you ever knew and you have to repeat the process of life over and over and over… and over.

this cant be true because what happens if everyone on earth dies? No more afterlife then what? So afterlife only exist if something on earth is alive?

I think when you die you just see black but i also think a lot of other things…what if this is the afterlife or what if this is hell or heaven you dont know do you? (i dont think its heaven tho :) )

From: super powe14
You get reborn into a different life :O

or go to hell/heaven

How do you know heaven/hell exist? The bible was wrote by man and man lies and im not saying that they are lying or anything but man does lie. No one knows forsure if heaven or hell exist.

From: Kave
Hopefully in 30 years time we'll be able to obtain robocop mode with artificial body parts.

If so I hope that the software on the computers, that will translate the brainwaves to the body functions, are better than now a days operating systems. It would be a shame that, when you try to scratch your robot butt with your robot arm, you will get an "You don't got permission to scratch your butt" error. Maybe some sort of open source solution… or a simba plugin.

But the elderly are experiencing many brain malfunctions too. Just replacing the physical body will not solve the Alzheimer syndrome or any other of the mental issues they suffer from.

Person who write the bible was probably trippin'

I believe when we die, we're born again into some other form.
The light people say they see in near death experiences i beleive is you being born again.
I am not religeous, and just my simple opinion.

From: inzanity
I believe when we die, we're born again into some other form.

You right, but what form that would be depend of our this life.
there 8400000 forms of life in universe:
900K - inhabitants of water,
2 000 000 are immobile living creatures(trees and plants),
1 100 000 are insects and reptiles,
1 000 000 of birds,
3 000 000 are animals,
400 000 are human types of life.

thats exactly what i mean, i dont necessarily mean a human form, i think we're born again into some other form =]

idk what happends but if i die i want to be a runescape player maxed cash maxed stats :D

''no i'm jking'' :/

What was before you were born?

From: mastah
What was before you were born?

The problem with this perspective is that most people don't remember when they were 3-4 years old. Obviously you were alive then. I'm not saying this thought is "wrong", just that we could have been alive before we were "born".

I was raised Christian so I believe that Heaven exists. As some have said before, I would rather believe in something that is wrong, than to not believe in something that is right. I've never been to Heaven, so I don't have the evidence to support it, however that is my belief.

There is no way to know what is true and what is not true; Plato. According to Socrates we are just to go on, and this/life was just a mere blimp in our true purpose (Unknown) we are supposed to join with our spirit and become one again.

I don't think ANYONE can make a true statement about what happens after death, maybe we hit up heaven and be with God. Perhaps our spirit depending on our actions during our time at earth, transforms into a new being (Animal/etc.). Who knows, we will all find out one day though.. unfortunately we can't relay it back.

i believe we are reincarnated. I was brought up in the hindu faith, but iv made my own decisions on it. instead i only pray to keep my mum happy and stick to certain rules because i was brought up in that manner. although i have drifted away from the idea of god, i believe that we are reincarnated, some people are born and can remember traits and memories of how their life was. As all things in nature go, sometimes there are abnormal incidents such as remembering your past life. As there is proof to this, and not just that it's been written somewhere that reincarnation is real.

From: pur3b100d
As there is proof to this, and not just that it's been written somewhere that reincarnation is real.

There is a whole book that says god is real, (I am christian).
There is a whole book that says Muhammad is God's son
Whole book that says Jesus never did roam the world and we are living a fallacy (Jewish bible doesn't contain new testament)

I really don't think we can trust "writings", we can trust our personal morals and find out what happens at the end when it happens.

From: R4nd0m
There is a whole book that says god is real, (I am christian).
There is a whole book that says Muhammad is God's son
Whole book that says Jesus never did roam the world and we are living a fallacy (Jewish bible doesn't contain new testament)

I really don't think we can trust "writings", we can trust our personal morals and find out what happens at the end when it happens.

Sorry, but no book says Muhammad is god's son.

From: R4nd0m
we can trust our personal morals and find out what happens at the end when it happens.

yes that's what i'm saying there are countless video's on youtube, and its still a trust issue but it's convincing, the actual cases of remembering your past life has countless similarities.

my perspective in this type of question is more of why worry about this type of thing, just live life to your fullest extent. But on the other hand, i do beleive there is an afterlife just not being 'reincarnated.'

From: kingarabian
Sorry, but no book says Muhammad is god's son.

Oh my bad I apologize :) I had a mistake in words, meant prophet/messenger of God.

From: Runaway
Buddhist monks hold a very interesting view; they say that one goes through a phase called Samsara which is essentially an incubation period after death, and ending in a rebirth, which lasts 46 days.

This is quite interesting because you cannot tell the gender of a fetus until 46 days after conception. Which coincidentally is also the same time the pineal gland (the gland that holds the "soul" molecule, DMT) forms from specialized cells that are purposely separated from brain tissue cells, where it eventually comes to rest in the very center of one's brain.

The belief of Samsara has been held for thousands of years and well before we could use science to determine those scientific findings, so I think that the monks must have gotten something right.

They are very good guessers!! Actually there are numerous explanations for any "miracles" in the Bible. The virgin Mary giving birth to Jesus? Artificial insemination is one. Jesus turning water into wine? We can turn mercury into gold… come on…

God creating Eve from Adam? If God made Adam like the creation story goes, he would have one set of DNA and taking the rib from Adam would give Eve the exact same DNA as Adam. Their offspring (if they were functional at all due to the exact same chromosomes) they would look exactly alike. And so would their offspring. And so on. See there are too many genetic variations to have come from just one set of DNA examples are hair color height eye color and skin colour just to name a few off the top of my head. Also the Bible isn't credible at all really. Anyone can write something and pass it off as the truth. Every read the Bible? Jesus fasted for 40 days. Jonah in the belly of the whale… everything that has to due with a length of time is 40 days, weeks, months, or years! This is the end of my rant. Thanks!

To everyone asking me what happen after I die, I say: The same thing that happened before I was born. Void, nothing.

When you die, nothing happens you just dissapear. It's like eska said. Sadly but true :/

When you die we stop exist, when we live we are conscious of whats happening around us. Death is one of those things and since we know so little about we are afraid of it theres nothing after death, your body will become parts to other things on the earth, our ''reality'' exist only cuz our conscious makes us believe it. When we die we loose our conscious, and we simply stop exist.

When we die, we spawn in Lumbridge, Edgeville or at Lunar Island ^.^~

Guys Guys Guys… You are all wrong! When you die, I come to your body, take your soul and torture you till you break and become my slaves for all eternity!!!!!!

Now… Where is Wizzup?

I'd like to believe that we are reincarnated… No one can know for sure what happens, but it seems like staying in heaven would get kinda boring after a few million years… We need a little real life grime. >:)
Also, I have always wondered about the Christian faith… If Satan hates God… And someone who dies also hates God… Why would they be punished in hell? Won't they be kinda chill with Satan?

Nothing happens or we do have this 'soul' thing and that'll go somewhere but not something id worry or think about

Tbh I grew up in a religious family, but for some reason I don't believe there is a after life, I feel like we get reincarnated (or born into a new family) without remembering anything about our past lives.

Maybe you Re-spawn as a baby once again but without knowing anything about your past. (Runescape Style) lol.

We will rot

i doubt anyone here knows the real answer
you should ask zaros

From: Zockuito
I'd like to believe that we are reincarnated… No one can know for sure what happens, but it seems like staying in heaven would get kinda boring after a few million years… We need a little real life grime. >:)
Also, I have always wondered about the Christian faith… If Satan hates God… And someone who dies also hates God… Why would they be punished in hell? Won't they be kinda chill with Satan?

in Christianity when you die you pick whether to go to heaven or hell
however you look at yourself in the eyes of others not your own

the options are hell,heaven or a place cant remember the name in which you wait until you think you a worthy for heaven

I think the monks are pretty spot on about something as said above..