SRL Archive - NOTA

The Feds just nerfed them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

SOPA, SOPA, what'cha gonna do when SOPA comes for you?

wtf. what country can't the US extradite you from?
I'm scared of my own damn country now… jeeze

Anon is attacking the RIAA's website in retaliation: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews

E: They're also attacking the MPAA now.

I don't see what the big deal is, it would be as if a website was hosting child porn, it would be taken down by the government too… But that's not a big deal because it's morally wrong (for most people).

But then again, most people consider stealing wrong too, but for some reason multimedia is exempted? I don't understand…

From: josh81193
most people consider stealing wrong too, but for some reason multimedia is exempted? I don't understand…

Too bad you can't "steal" bytes. Stealing is when the original author loses their goods. Data piracy is where the goods are just copied and sent elsewhere. No one loses any money other than theoretical loss of sales.

From: Harry
Too bad you can't "steal" bytes. Stealing is when the original author loses their goods. Data piracy is where the goods are just copied and sent elsewhere. No one loses any money other than theoretical loss of sales.

So if I take my car to a mechanic and tell him to fix something, like my tire alignment, it's okay for me to not pay him? Not like he actually replaced anything on my car, it's the same as it was before…

Then again, what makes plagiarism illegal? I'm not stealing anything, just using the same words as someone else… I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, PLAGIARISM IS TAKING AWAY THAT RIGHT BY TELLING ME I CAN'T USE WORDS :rolleyes:

I thought I posted this lol.. Sucks so bad.. For the guy saying u don't understand.. I saw some complaints from ppl who stupidly backed up their stuff on megaupload and lost it all.. There are no morals in the war of the internet..

The US Needs to realize that there is no Oil on the internet so why attack us cuz of movie guys who clearly make 50m+ per movie..

"First off Thomas Edisson had copyrighted the first recordable device.. This meant that not a single person after him could have created or used a video camera.. you know what hollywood did? They removed the patent inorder to make millions off it and then copyrighted it as their own.. Where's the justice in that? We're only doing the same thing they're doing." — Piratebay.

It's largely about intellectual property, like Apple kicking off at various technology companies because they used similar systems. They didn't actually take any code, simply their idea.

I think it's fair to say that this legislation won't pass at this rate. And these sort of companies will just pop up somewhere else, how many times have they tried to take down TPB?

Gawsh, I was just watching Borat on Mega.

From: RISK
Anon is attacking the RIAA's website in retaliation: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews

E: They're also attacking the MPAA now.

quote from my site:

From: GRATS

major corporations are behind these movements, why? well here's the biggest examples:

Nike, inc and adidas
they're major supporters of SOPA and PIPA
how could these clothing places benefit, you ask?

well they benefit from being able to get everything on the internet about them taken off, this means they're able to have their child labor faggotry without americans bitching about it publically…

these are just two of the hundreds who fall right in with them:

1-800 Contacts, Inc.
1-800-PetMeds
2b1 Inc
3M Company
ABRO Industries, Inc.
Acushnet Company
adidas America
Advanced Medical Technology Association (AdvaMed)
Allen Russell Photography
Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers
Alliance of Visual Artists (AVA)
Altria Client Services
American Apparel and Footwear Association
American Association of Independent Music (A2IM)
American Board of Internal Medicine
American Federation of Musicians
American Gramaphone LLC
American Made Alliance
American Mental Health Counselors Association
American Photographic Artists
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)
American Society of Media Photographers
American Society of Picture Professionals
American Watch Association
Anatoly Pronin Photography
Andrea Rugg Photography
Anti-Counterfeiting and Piracy Initiative (ACAPI)
Applied DNA Sciences
Art Holeman Photography
Association of American Publishers (AAP)
Association of Equipment Manufacturers
Association of Independent Music Publishers (AIMP)
Association of Test Publishers
AstraZeneca plc
Australian Medical Council
Autodesk, Inc.
Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association
Baker & Taylor Ent.
Bay State Psychological Associates
Beachbody, LLC
Beam Global Spirits & Wine
Blue Sky Studios, Inc.
Bose Corporation
Braasch Biotech LLC
Brian Stevenson Photography
Brigid Collins Family Support Center
Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
Burberry
C. F. Martin & Co., Inc.
Callaway Golf Company
Cascade Designs Incorporated
Caterpillar Inc.
Caveon, LLC
CBS Corporation
Cengage Learning
Center for Credentialing & Education
Center Stage Photography
CFA Institute
Chanel USA
Christopher Semmes Photography
Church Music Publishers Association
CMH Images
Coach
Coalition Against Counterfeiting and Piracy (CACP)
Columbia Sportswear Company
Comcast Corporation
Commercial Photo Design
Commercial Photographers International
Comprehensive Adult Student Assessment System
Consumer Healthcare Products Association
Copyright Alliance
Copyright Clearance Center (CCC)
Coty Inc.
Council of Fashion Designers of America
Country Music Association
CropLife America
Cross-Entertainment LLC
CSA Group
CVS Caremark
D'Addario & Company, Inc.
Dan Sherwood Photography
Danita Delimont Stock Photography
Dayco Products, LLC
Deluxe Entertainment Services Group
Dennyfoto
Derek DiLuzio Photography
DeVaul Photography
Direct Selling Association (DSA)
Directional Insight
Distefano Enterprises Inc.
Doriguzzi Photographic Artistry
Dolby Laboratories, Inc.
Dolce & Gabbana USA, INC.
Dollar General Corporation
Don Grall Photography
Dunford Architectural Photography
Eagle Rock Entertainment
Ed McDonald Photography
Educational & Industrial Testing Service
Electronic Arts, Inc.
Electronic Components Industry Association (ECIA)
Eli Lilly and Company
Englebert Photography
Entertainment Software Association (ESA)
ERAI, Inc.
Eric Meola Studio Inc
Evidence Photographers International Council
Ex Officio
Exxel Outdoors
FAME Publishing Co., LLC.
FAME Recording Studios
Far Bank Enterprises
Fashion Business Incorporated
Federation of State Boards of Physical Therapy
Fender Musical Instrument Company
Footwear Distributors & Retailers of America (FDRA)
Ford Motor Company
Fortune Brands, Inc.
Fred J. Lord Photography
GAR Associates
Gelderland Productions, L.L.C.
Gemvision Corporation
Gibson Guitar Corp.
GlaxoSmithKline
Gospel Music Association
Governors America Corp.
Graduate Management Admission Council
Graphic Artists Guild
Greeting Card Association (GCA)
Greg Nikas Photography
Guru Denim
H.S. Marketing & Design, Inc.
Harley-Davidson Motor Company
HarperCollins Publishers
Harry Fox Agency
Hastings Entertainment, Inc.
ICM Distributing Company, Inc.
IDS Publishing
IEC Electronics corp.
Images Plus
Imaging Supplies Coalition (ISC)
Independent Distributors of Electronics Association (IDEA)
INgrooves
Innate-gear
International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC)
International Trademark Association (INTA)
IPC-Association Connecting Electronics Industries
Ira Montgomery Photography
J.S. Grove Photography
James Drug Inc.
Jaynes Gallery
JCPage Photography
Jean Poland Photography
Jeff Stevensen Photography
John Fulton Photography
John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
Johnson & Johnson
Juicy Couture, Inc
Julien McRoberts Photography
K&R Photographics
kate spade
Kekepana International Services
Kenneth Garrett, photographer for National Geographic
Killing Jar Productions LLC
Lacoste USA
Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.
Lexmark International, Inc.
Light Perspectives
Linda Olsen Photography
Little Dog Records
Liz Claiborne, Inc
L'Oréal USA
Lucky Brand Jeans
LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton
Macmillan
Major League Baseball
Marcia Andberg Associates LLC
Mark Niederman Photography
Marmot
Marona Photography
McLain Photography Inc
Merck & Co., Inc.
Messy Face Designs, Inc.
Michael Stern Photography
MicroRam Electronics, Inc.
Minter Works of Art
Mira Images
Monster Cable Products, Inc.
Moose’s Photos
Morningstar Films LLC
Motion Picture Association of America, Inc. (MPAA)
MotionMasters
Motor & Equipment Manufacturers Association
MPA - The Association of Magazine Media
Mr. Theodor Feibel (sole proprietor)
Music Managers Forum-U.S.
Nashville Songwriters Association International
Natalie Neckyfarow Actor/Dancer/Singer
National Association of Broadcasters
National Association of Manufacturers
National Association of Recording Merchandisers (NARM)
National Association of Theatre Owners (NATO)
National Basketball Association (NBA)
National Board for Certified Counselors
National Board for Certified Counselors Foundation
National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA)
National Football League (NFL)
National Music Publishers' Association (NMPA)
National Retail Federation (NRF)
NBCUniversal
Nervous Tattoo Inc., dba Ed Hardy
New Balance Athletic Shoe, Inc.
New Era Cap Co Inc
New Levels Ent. Co. LLC
News Corporation
Next Decade Entertainment, Inc.
NHL Enterprises, L.P.
Nicholas Petrucci, Artist, LLC
Nike, Inc.
Nintendo of America Inc.
Nissle Fine Art Photography
North Dakota Pharmacists Association
North Dakota Pharmacy Service Corporation
Oakley, Inc.
One Voice Recordings
OpSec Security, Inc.
Outdoor Industry Association
Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI)
Outdoor Research, Inc
Pacific Component Xchange, Inc.
Party Killer Films LLC
Pearson Clinical Assessment
Peavey Electronics Corporation
Perry Ellis International
Personal Care Products Council
Peter C. Brandt, Architectural and Fine Art Photography
Peter Hawkins Photography, Inc.
Petzl America
Pfizer Inc.
PGA of America
Philip Morris International
Photojournalist Dave Bartruff
Picture Archive Council of America (PACA)
Pigfactory Music
PING
PNW Images
Premier League
Production Music Association (PMA)
Professional Photographers of America
Quality Float Works, Inc.
Raging Waters Music
Ralph Lauren Corporation
Ramsay Corporation
Rebel Photo
Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)
Red4 Music/Doogs Rock Inc
Red Wing Shoe Company
Reebok International Ltd.
Reed Elsevier Inc.
Retail Industry Leaders Association (RILA)
Revlon
Richard Flutie Photography
Rite Aid
Robin Davis Photography, Inc.
Rodger Scott Craig, a member of Liverpool Express, The Merseybeats, Fortune, Harlan
Cage, 101 South, and Mtunz Media
Roger Smith Photography Services
Rolex Watch USA Inc.
Romance Writers of America (RWA)
Rosetta Stone Inc.
Saddle Creek
Sage Studios LLC
Sam D'Amico Photography
Schneider Electric
Sean McGinty Photography
Secret Sea Visions (Photography)
SESAC, Inc.
SG Industries, Inc.
Shure Incorporated
SIGMA Assessment Systems
Six Degrees Records
Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council
SMC Entertainment
SMT Corp.
SoBe Entertainment
Society of Sport & Event Photographers
Software & Information Industry Association (SIIA)
Sony Electronics Inc.
Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Pictures Entertainment
Soul Appeal Records and Music
SoundExchange
Southern Gothic LLC
Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA)
SPI (The Plastics Industry Trade Association)
Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association
Sports Rights Owners Coalition
Spring Fever Productions LLC
Spyder Active Sports, Inc
Stenbakken Photography
Stephen Dantzig Photography
Stock Artist Alliance
Stuart Weitzman Holdings, LLC
Student Photographic Society
Studio 404
SunRise Solar Inc.
Taylor Glenn Photographs
Taylor Guitars
Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc.
Tednologies, Inc.
The Cambridge Don
The Collegiate Licensing Company/IMG College
The Donath Group, Inc.
The Dow Chemical Company
The Estee Lauder Companies
The McGraw-Hill Companies
The Music People! Inc.
The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)
The Recording Academy (National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences)
The Timberland Company
The Walt Disney Company
Tiffany & Co.
Time Warner Inc.
Tony Bullard Photography
Toshiba America Business Solutions, Inc.
TRA Global
Tricoast Worldwide
Trio Productions, Inc. / Songscape Music,
Twist & Shout, Inc.
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Ultimate Fighting Championship
Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
Universal Music Group
Uniweld Products Inc.
VF Corporation
Viacom
Vibram USA, Inc
Virtual Chip Exchange USA, Inc.
Voltage Pictures, LLC
W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co.
Walcott Studio, LLC
Wal-Mart
Warner Music Group
Wendy Kaveney Photography
Western Psychological Services
Westmorland Images, LLC
Wild & Associates, Inc.
Wild Eye Photos LLC
William Sutton Photography
Willis Music
WindLegends Ink LLC
Winestem Company
Winslow Research Institute
Wolfe Video
Wolverine World Wide, Inc.
Woolrich, Inc.
World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc.
Xerox Corporation
Zippo Manufacturing Company
Zumba Fitness, LLC

that list is from the real anonymous chan.. on tor network.

From: josh81193
So if I take my car to a mechanic and tell him to fix something, like my tire alignment, it's okay for me to not pay him? Not like he actually replaced anything on my car, it's the same as it was before…

That is completely different. He invested time and labour into your vehicle. An artist records the CD and does not put any extra time into it after that except for concerts and related things. When you copy a CD, you're just copying. You aren't stealing their time nor any money.

From: Harry
That is completely different. He invested time and labour into your vehicle. An artist records the CD and does not put any extra time into it after that except for concerts and related things. When you copy a CD, you're just copying. You aren't stealing their time nor any money.

and they barely make money off their CD's to begin with.. it's mostly the record companies out to get people

concerts is where the money is

From: Harry
That is completely different. He invested time and labour into your vehicle. An artist records the CD and does not put any extra time into it after that except for concerts and related things. When you copy a CD, you're just copying. You aren't stealing their time nor any money.

Record companies spend time and labour putting the effort into creating albums and what not as well. Not like owning a studio is free, or paying for maintenance, or paying for utilities, paying off loans, debts, taxes, blank CD's, hosting fees, etc… Running a business is not easy or simple or cheap, but for them, business is good.

Using your logic, why aren't we allowed to take other people's scripts and say they're ours? I didn't actually take it off of their computer, hell, I didn't even change anything in the script, I didn't even take the creator's name out of it, and I'm not even selling the script. I'm just reposting it saying it's mine.

I think what you mean to say is, it's OK to steal from them because they're RICH.

TheAnonNews are only to keep people up-to-date..All these site crash because of SOPA
Don't know what SOPA is?
Definition: The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) is a law (bill) of the United States proposed in 2011 to fight online trafficking in copyrighted intellectual property and counterfeit goods. Proposals include barring advertising networks and payment facilities from conducting business with allegedly infringing websites, barring search engines from linking to the sites, and requiring Internet service providers (ISP) to block access to the sites. The bill would criminalize the streaming of such content, with a maximum penalty of five years in prison.
Source: Wikipedia

They aren't really ShutDown for ever, lots of site protest about SOPA So they ShutDown Their site for 24hours, Yesterday, a couple of site like wikipedia shut'd down but they're back on today! So don't panic, They are still available, just protesting

From: grats
and they barely make money off their CD's to begin with.. it's mostly the record companies out to get people

concerts is where the money is

This.

Go to shows and buy merch if you wanna support your favorite band/artist.

EDIT: I also understand what josh is saying and I agree with him. Does this stop me from downloading music for free? No. Do I feel guilty about it? Sometimes. Labels are somewhat of a necessary evil. I don't like how some control the artists creativity and jip them on record sales. Then again it's virtually impossible to get anywhere if you aren't signed. The times I feel guilty is when I download music by an artist on a label I know is legit. Tbh CD's are terrible quality and very unreliable compared to the quality I can get on the internet that won't get physically damaged or scratched.

From: josh81193
Record companies spend time and labour putting the effort into creating albums and what not as well. Not like owning a studio is free, or paying for maintenance, or paying for utilities, paying off loans, debts, taxes, blank CD's, hosting fees, etc… Running a business is not easy or simple or cheap, but for them, business is good.

Using your logic, why aren't we allowed to take other people's scripts and say they're ours? I didn't actually take it off of their computer, hell, I didn't even change anything in the script, I didn't even take the creator's name out of it, and I'm not even selling the script. I'm just reposting it saying it's mine.

I think what you mean to say is, it's OK to steal from them because they're RICH.

On sites like TPB they never say they MADE the content.

From: MylesMadness
On sites like TPB they never say they MADE the content.

I never made child porn, it's just on my computer, no harm there, right?

DOJ.gov is down!!!
go anon

From: josh81193
I never made child porn, it's just on my computer, no harm there, right?

i got child porn on my computer and my phone.
oh shit, i'm 18 and have a 17 yr old gf.
no harm there, right?

Well, 5k+ people all DDos'ing at once, that's what happens :p

From: Kyle Undefined
Well, 5k+ people all DDos'ing at once, that's what happens :p

whoever is pushing the button must feel an overwhelming sense of satisfaction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY&ob=av3e

department of justice is down and "i jizzzzzzzz in my pants"

well i will laugh when a tsunami strikes the discograpy news private islands they will buy. im srry dont want to be disrispectull with us people, but us congresits can take their sopa and stick in their ****!!!! megaupload. you give me a lot of things :/


All hail to the new world order: The Extreme Capitalism.
Patrocinated by "you know who"
(afraid of saying since they monitor me and you!)

From: josh81193
Using your logic, why aren't we allowed to take other people's scripts and say they're ours? I didn't actually take it off of their computer, hell, I didn't even change anything in the script, I didn't even take the creator's name out of it, and I'm not even selling the script. I'm just reposting it saying it's mine.

Stupid stupid stupid argument. How does plagiarism relate to piracy at all? Plagiarism is bad because that DOES take away fame from the original authors. Pirates don't take away any fame from the original authors; in fact they give it MORE fame and free advertising. Pirates also buy more than the average user who claims to not pirate.

From: Harry
Stupid stupid stupid argument. How does plagiarism relate to piracy at all? Plagiarism is bad because that DOES take away fame from the original authors. Pirates don't take away any fame from the original authors; in fact they give it MORE fame and free advertising. Pirates also buy more than the average user who claims to not pirate.

How is it a stupid argument? I'm giving the script writer fame and free advertisement!

Regardless of whether pirates create free 'fame' and advertisement, they're still stealing. That homeless man down the street is starving, that doesn't mean it's OK for me to go steal a loaf of bread and give it to him, it's still stealing.

From: doublex8
This.

Go to shows and buy merch if you wanna support your favorite band/artist.

EDIT: I also understand what josh is saying and I agree with him. Does this stop me from downloading music for free? No. Do I feel guilty about it? Sometimes. Labels are somewhat of a necessary evil. I don't like how some control the artists creativity and jip them on record sales. Then again it's virtually impossible to get anywhere if you aren't signed. The times I feel guilty is when I download music by an artist on a label I know is legit. Tbh CD's are terrible quality and very unreliable compared to the quality I can get on the internet that won't get physically damaged or scratched.

some artist said he was getting like 50cents per cd or something.. which sure, a million albums is half a million, but honestly it's pathetic record companies take so much money

burning towers that clone cd's aren't that much money.. I burn for 3 bands I built my own tower cost like $100 I can burn a couple hundred cd's an hour with ease

these companies are just greedy as shit, the artists can get a lot more money

From: josh81193
Record companies spend time and labour putting the effort into creating albums and what not as well. Not like owning a studio is free, or paying for maintenance, or paying for utilities, paying off loans, debts, taxes, blank CD's, hosting fees, etc… Running a business is not easy or simple or cheap, but for them, business is good.

Using your logic, why aren't we allowed to take other people's scripts and say they're ours? I didn't actually take it off of their computer, hell, I didn't even change anything in the script, I didn't even take the creator's name out of it, and I'm not even selling the script. I'm just reposting it saying it's mine.

I think what you mean to say is, it's OK to steal from them because they're RICH.

Record companies don't do anything. You make it sound like these record companies are a group of low-middle class men working their asses off. It's the artist that does all the work. The artist has to put all the time and effort to create that music. The artist is subject to slander and criticism from these record companies. [Conspiracy]Record companies put so much stress on these artists that many of them try or do commit suicide[/Conspiracy]. Record companies are part of that 1% group. All they do is move their money around to make even more money. These record companies are making so much money that it's a challenge to even count. So I don't give two squares' a piss if I get my music and movies illegally. No one is getting hurt if we do so, and no company is "losing money". When they say "oh were losing 500million dollars!@@!!@" they're just counting the number of goods being pirated and converting that number into a theoretical number of possible profit. But no. If they remove pirated goods, I can assure you that those record companies won't make 500million dollars more in profit. It's all-bull-shit-and-greedy-ass-mother-fuckers.

But… If Eminem or any other of my favorite artists went out and said "hey guys please stop", I would consider it.

From: kingarabian
Record companies don't do anything. You make it sound like these record companies are a group of low-middle class men working their asses off. It's the artist that does all the work. The artist has to put all the time and effort to create that music. The artist is subject to slander and criticism from these record companies. [Conspiracy]Record companies put so much stress on these artists that many of them try or do commit suicide[/Conspiracy]. Record companies are part of that 1% group. All they do is move their money around to make even more money. These record companies are making so much money that it's a challenge to even count. So I don't give two squares' a piss if I get my music and movies illegally. No one is getting hurt if we do so, and no company is "losing money". When they say "oh were losing 500million dollars!@@!!@" they're just counting the number of goods being pirated and converting that number into a theoretical number of possible profit. But no. If they remove pirated goods, I can assure you that those record companies won't make 500million dollars more in profit. It's all-bull-shit-and-greedy-ass-mother-fuckers.

But… If Eminem or any other of my favorite artists went out and said "hey guys please stop", I would consider it.

I agree, but then again who's to blame? The record company for knowing how to make money? The artist's who don't do enough about it? Or the people who don't care and just want something that sounds good to their ears or pleases their eyes? The people don't care where the money goes or how they get their music or what's happening behind the scenes.

Like when people were complaining about how Kim Kardashian was famous for no reason and were boycotting her, or whatever the hell was going on with that, it's THEIR fault for giving her the attention, for giving magazines something to write about, and giving news corporations stories to report on.

I don't think the artists really care that much, they get to do what they love to do and they make a living out of it. I read something awhile ago about pilots being severely underpaid, some even have to get a 2nd job, but they love flying and love being a pilot to the point that they don't care about the money, they're just happy doing what they do.

From: josh81193
How is it a stupid argument?

He just explained how it was a stupid argument. Scroll up and reread his post.

From: josh81193
How is it a stupid argument? I'm giving the script writer fame and free advertisement!

Regardless of whether pirates create free 'fame' and advertisement, they're still stealing. That homeless man down the street is starving, that doesn't mean it's OK for me to go steal a loaf of bread and give it to him, it's still stealing.

when you replace the script writer's name with yours, how are you gving the script writer any fame? And stealing a loaf of bread means somebody lost that loaf of bread, but stealing a music track/a game only results in a loss of theoretical profit.

Just read this and be done with your pointless arguments:
http://www.cracked.com/funny-4003-the-pirate-bay/

From: josh81193
How is it a stupid argument? I'm giving the script writer fame and free advertisement!

Regardless of whether pirates create free 'fame' and advertisement, they're still stealing. That homeless man down the street is starving, that doesn't mean it's OK for me to go steal a loaf of bread and give it to him, it's still stealing.

I'm not even going to bother to argue with you, you obviously are unable to understand definitions of words in the English language. "steal: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice". Nothing is lost with piracy, so it's not stealing.

As per Dowling v. United States (SCOTUS case):

interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright… 'an infringer of the copyright.

Piracy is just copyright infringement, not theft.

From: KingKong
when you replace the script writer's name with yours, how are you gving the script writer any fame? And stealing a loaf of break means somebody lost that loaf of bread, but stealing a music track/a game only results in a loss of theoretical profit.

Just read this and be done with your pointless arguments:
http://www.cracked.com/funny-4003-the-pirate-bay/

In my post I said I wasn't deleting the script writer's name from the script. But that's redundant now since my arguments are pointless, because they go against your morals and principles. (???)

I don't think the issue behind stealing a music track/a game is solely because of the loss of profit. It's also because they OWN it and you're taking it without their permission, or paying for it.

From: grats
some artist said he was getting like 50cents per cd or something.. which sure, a million albums is half a million, but honestly it's pathetic record companies take so much money

burning towers that clone cd's aren't that much money.. I burn for 3 bands I built my own tower cost like $100 I can burn a couple hundred cd's an hour with ease

these companies are just greedy as shit, the artists can get a lot more money

Oh I agree, there are labels that are greedy. There are also some legit ones as well that are just trying to run a business. They aren't as big as the greedy ones tho.

From: josh81193
I don't think the issue behind stealing a music track/a game is solely because of the loss of profit. It's also because they OWN it and you're taking it without their permission, or paying for it.

But you aren't stealing it. Also you're pretty hypocritical. Cheating in Runescape is taking the experience away from legit players without Jagex's permission.

From: Harry
I'm not even going to bother to argue with you, you obviously are unable to understand definitions of words in the English language. "steal: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice". Nothing is lost with piracy, so it's not stealing.

As per Dowling v. United States (SCOTUS case):

Piracy is just copyright infringement, not theft.

Oh so it's OK to pirate things because… well… uhm… It's not actually stealing so it's ok, yeah that sounds good to me!

Speeding sounds good to me too, I'm not harming anyone but myself(but I'm also benefitting myself by getting to my destination faster!). Whether I like it or not, it's still against the law.

From: Harry
But you aren't stealing it. Also you're pretty hypocritical. Cheating in Runescape is taking the experience away from legit players without Jagex's permission.

Oh, I pirate music too. But lets keep this argument factual and less personal, yes?

From: doublex8
Oh I agree, there are labels that are greedy. There are also some legit ones as well that are just trying to run a business. They aren't as big as the greedy ones tho.

good, they probably don't support shit like bieber, gaga, wayne and anything else that's came out in the past few years

metallica is like the only band that ever really went crazy @people stealing their CD's

From: josh81193
Oh, I pirate music too. But lets keep this argument factual and less personal, yes?

Then why are you saying piracy is bad? Are you just some loser who's intentionally making bad arguments to waste my time? Why are you talking negatively about it when you do the same thing?

From: grats
good, they probably don't support shit like bieber, gaga, wayne and anything else that's came out in the past few years

metallica is like the only band that ever really went crazy @people stealing their CD's

Oh no, nothing like that. The medium sized labels I'm talking about support lesser known musicians and don't take creative control. Of course they still have to make money and do so through CD sales. That's why I said I feel some guilt because I know those labels are just doing what they need to do to stay in business.

From: Harry
Then why are you saying piracy is bad? Are you just some loser who's intentionally making bad arguments to waste my time? Why are you talking negatively about it when you do the same thing?

Well, it seems you have given up. Piracy is bad. /end

(Edit* You're using ad-hominems if you couldn't tell)

From: josh81193

Using your logic, why aren't we allowed to take other people's scripts and say they're ours? I didn't actually take it off of their computer, hell, I didn't even change anything in the script, I didn't even take the creator's name out of it, and I'm not even selling the script. I'm just reposting it saying it's mine.

How many people do you think bother to go through the scrip to check who it really belongs to? Hardly any.

From: josh81193
In my post I said I wasn't deleting the script writer's name from the script. But that's redundant now since my arguments are pointless, because they go against your morals and principles. (???)

I don't think the issue behind stealing a music track/a game is solely because of the loss of profit. It's also because they OWN it and you're taking it without their permission, or paying for it.

Think of it this way:

Piracy: Illegal yes, but immoral? NO. Because the amount of profit they make is ridiculous. Not to mention, those huge record companies/movie makers/game makers also steal from the little guys, but they make sure no one knows about it(Ive seen this myself in the industry, incase you're wondering).

Stealing: Illegal yes, immoral? I'd say yes(but depending on the situation, eg: robinhood). When you steal something, that item has been lost and cannot be used by the owner, but when you pirate it, the owner can still use it as if nothing happened.

From: KingKong
Think of it this way:

Piracy: Illegal yes, but immoral? NO. Because the amount of profit they make is ridiculous. Not to mention, those huge record companies/movie makers/game makers also steal from the little guys, but they make sure no one knows about it(Ive seen this myself in the industry, incase you're wondering).

Stealing: Illegal yes, immoral? I'd say yes(but depending on the situation, eg: robinhood). When you steal something, that item has been lost and cannot be used by the owner, but when you pirate it, the owner can still use it as if nothing happened.

I agree too, except the part that you're basically just saying, "It's okay to steal, because they're rich." People are complaining about SOPA being a step towards Socialism, when that idealogy is more Socialistic than this bill!

Also, I found a good example of a small-time guy complaining about piracy. Here. The text scrolls up and there's a lot of it, can't find anywhere that it's already been typed out, so can't quote it here.

Edit* Perhaps the big companies are trying to support the little companies by supporting this bill? Not everyone is corrupt and greedy y'know.

From: josh81193
Well, it seems you have given up. Piracy is bad. /end

(Edit* You're using ad-hominems if you couldn't tell)

What do you expect me to be like? Happy that I realize you're intentionally wasting my time on an argument that you do yourself?

From: Harry
What do you expect me to be like? Happy that I realize you're intentionally wasting my time on an argument that you do yourself?

I think that you're just upset because I'm enlightening the ignorance in you. I think that you know my reasoning is right, you just don't like that I'm telling you what you're doing is wrong and bad.

Like when atheists criticize religious people, but then the atheist say, "DON'T SHOVE YOUR BELIEFS DOWN MY THROAT!" when the religious person replies.

From: josh81193
I think that you're just upset because I'm enlightening the ignorance in you. I think that you know my reasoning is right, you just don't like that I'm telling you what you're doing is wrong and bad.

Lol, what? You're intentionally wasting other's time by debating an argument that you yourself do not believe in. Or you're just totally insane, and breaks your own ideals for fun.

From: josh81193
Well, it seems you have given up. Piracy is bad. /end

(Edit* You're using ad-hominems if you couldn't tell)

he's mad because you're stupid.. it's a simple concept to understand

From: doublex8
Oh no, nothing like that. The medium sized labels I'm talking about support lesser known musicians and don't take creative control. Of course they still have to make money and do so through CD sales. That's why I said I feel some guilt because I know those labels are just doing what they need to do to stay in business.

yea, that's something that I respect.. that's a real business, how it should be.

From: Harry
You're intentionally wasting other's time by debating an argument that you yourself do not believe in.

What? Am I not allowed to post factual information that I personally don't directly support? How does that make my information or analogies false? I guess it's wrong for Christians to study Humanism? Or atheists to study religion in general? I guess it's also wrong for me to pay my taxes since I don't like them too? Or maybe I should stop voting because I only believe in a true democracy, not a republic?

Maybe history teachers should stop teaching us about the Unions ideology for going to war with the Confederacy, since the teacher supports the Confederacy?

Haven't you gotten in trouble for trolling on the forums before? pls stop troling me

Also, I enjoy bringing up the other side of the debate to educate people that are ignorant on the subject. God knows you won't bring it up, you don't even know what you're protesting against.

From: grats
he's mad because you're stupid.. it's a simple concept to understand

ok, would you like to point out which post I stated my education credentials? I'd like to delete that post, I don't like that kind of information on the internet.

From: josh81193
What? Am I not allowed to post factual information that I personally don't directly support? How does that make my information or analogies false? I guess it's wrong for Christians to study Humanism? Or atheists to study religion in general? I guess it's also wrong for me to pay my taxes since I don't like them too? Or maybe I should stop voting because I only believe in a true democracy, not a republic?

Maybe history teachers should stop teaching us about the Unions ideology for going to war with the Confederacy, since the teacher supports the Confederacy?

Haven't you gotten in trouble for trolling on the forums before? pls stop troling me

Also, I enjoy bringing up the other side of the debate to educate people that are ignorant on the subject. God knows you won't bring it up, you don't even know what you're protesting against.



ok, would you like to point out which post I stated my education credentials? I'd like to delete that post, I don't like that kind of information on the internet.

Just stfu with all of your propaganda that doesn't even remotely tie into the OP. Keep posting random messages and arguing and I'll report you for spam.

From: eXoTiK
Just stfu with all of your propaganda that doesn't even remotely tie into the OP. Keep posting random messages and arguing and I'll report you for spam.

Calm down, it's called a debate.

From: josh81193
Calm down, it's called a debate.

Ooo Snap ;)

the US has no right to extradite people from wherever, especially NZ

if NZ wants to start something, that's their choice

From: eXoTiK
Just stfu with all of your propaganda that doesn't even remotely tie into the OP. Keep posting random messages and arguing and I'll report you for spam.

this is the spam section, so he can spam and make long ass posts that I won't ever read all he wants

From: josh81193
Calm down, it's called a debate.

Wrong, it's an argument.. a stupid one at that

this hardly would be called a debate.

From: grats
this is the spam section, so he can spam and make long ass posts that I won't ever read all he wants

Could you be anymore ignorant?

From: grats
Wrong, it's an argument.. a stupid one at that

this hardly would be called a debate.

Just because you disagree, doesn't make it wrong or bad.

From: josh81193
Could you be anymore ignorant?



Just because you disagree, doesn't make it wrong or bad.

could you be anymore ignorant?

it is an argument, not a debate.. keep your definitions straight

I never said it was "bad"

but it is wrong, your definition is wrong, therefore it's wrong

From: grats
could you be anymore ignorant?

it is an argument, not a debate.. keep your definitions straight

I never said it was "bad"

but it is wrong, your definition is wrong, therefore it's wrong

You're telling me that my definitions are wrong and you're calling me ignorant? You're the one that said you aren't even going to read my posts.

What definition of what? My definition of wizards? How do you even know what I'm defining? Not like you read my informative posts.

Glad I didn't buy a platinum account ;)

From: josh81193
You're telling me that my definitions are wrong and you're calling me ignorant? You're the one that said you aren't even going to read my posts.

What definition of what? My definition of wizards? How do you even know what I'm defining? Not like you read my informative posts.

Yea I totally did call you ignorant and say your definitions were wrong

damn I'm a badass

I mean Josh has a point. Just because they are greedy bastards doesn't make it lawfully wrong for them to get angry at not getting the chance to stop something that is inhibiting them from making even more money, this is America after all. The way they are going about doing it is just straight mentally retarded. If they were smart they would find some people that know a thing or two about the internet to write something that wouldn't fuck everyone else over who has nothing to do with online piracy. That is really what pisses me off the most about this whole situation.

I FOUND SOME SOMETHING… regarding Megaupload's owners. They don't sound like your average middle-class teenager downloading pirated music after reading this, well, that's because they aren't.

http://gizmodo.com/5877715/all-the-insane-loot-seized-from-megauploads-crazy-owners

From: josh81193
What? Am I not allowed to post factual information that I personally don't directly support?

That's the definition of trolling. It's a waste of my time to bother to reply to your posts if I am in no way able to convince you you're wrong - because you won't ever change your mind because you're "debating" in such a way that it'll be impossible. You're "debating" an opinion you don't believe yourself. Waste of my precious time.

From: josh81193
I FOUND SOME SOMETHING… regarding Megaupload's owners. They don't sound like your average middle-class teenager downloading pirated music after reading this, well, that's because they aren't.

Someone makes a good business practice (based on the number of users they had, it was obviously pretty good business), why should it change my opinion about them? They gave away the largest portion of their bandwidth to people for free. There were no obscene wait limits.

The reason why some people don't like to support the recording labels is not because of their amount of money (though it does lower the amount of guilt one could feel), but simply because they don't respect the people who do the actual work - the artists. This is also the reason why many pirates prefer to go to concerts instead of just buying their CD, because it more directly and positively effects the actual artist.

If some record labels had better business practices, they'd make even more money overall, and be more respected by others. Piracy is a business/service problem, not simply a legal problem.

From: Harry
Someone makes a good business practice (based on the number of users they had, it was obviously pretty good business), why should it change my opinion about them? They gave away the largest portion of their bandwidth to people for free. There were no obscene wait limits.

The reason why some people don't like to support the recording labels is not because of their amount of money (though it does lower the amount of guilt one could feel), but simply because they don't respect the people who do the actual work - the artists. This is also the reason why many pirates prefer to go to concerts instead of just buying their CD, because it more directly and positively effects the actual artist.

If some record labels had better business practices, they'd make even more money overall, and be more respected by others. Piracy is a business/service problem, not simply a legal problem.

I feel that sums things up pretty nicely. Stop arguing? haha

For you guys that told josh to get his definitions right.. how bout u get a damn dictionary.. this is a debate. A debate is a form of an argument. Stop with your shitty English lessons and argue your damn points.

All of you guys seem to think that this is the definition of stealing when it's NOT: "When you steal something, that item has been lost and cannot be used by the owner, but when you pirate it, the owner can still use it as if nothing happened"..

Stealing is taking an item or property of another person without permission/consent. When you pirate an item or whatever you want to call it, you are STEALING it.. It is not your intellectual property. You are taking it without permission. Can argue all you want but it is indeed stealing.

Don't give a shit thought cuz I download torrents n what not all the time. I wont steal from the store or a person or anything physical but I will take free code/software posted on a site by some generous/pirate/thief and that makes me a thief by definition. You guys are just refusing to admit that you steal content that is not yours. That is all.

What's funny though is that I see some of the same names on this thread that was telling Dynamite on another thread that its copyright/not allowed to take the SRL include and use in a closed source DLL. And that its wrong and all this BS. Smh hypocrites. Won't call names you know yourselves well.. Still don't know, then go on his thread and see your name there.

It's funny how we always try and stump evolution now, whether it's biological or not.

The entertainment industry needs to adapt, evolve into the newer times. You can't keep making stupid laws and bills to keep yourself in business. You either adapt and flourish or die. It's like how we try and save very single animal now… If it can't survive in it's habitat, let it go extinct, it has no place on this Earth now, whether it's cute and furry or not.

We should put a bill through that bans all CD's aswell, as they've put vinyl companies out of business.
I was watching the news the other day and they were discussing local stores, and how they're going out of business due to bigger stores around the edge of towns and online shopping. Some economic 'expert' came on and started saying more people should shop locally to save them. ??? If their job isn't sustainable with how people live they either need to adapt or die (as in their job dies, not them).

Examples go on forever. No one wants to face the facts, you can't stop evolutionary process, we've already done too much of that in biological terms and look where it's got us…
Overpopulation, majority of it being unintelligent.


Youtube makes billions serving video's for free, so has TV. Time hollywood and the music industry catches up instead of holding everyone back.

From: Harry
That's the definition of trolling. It's a waste of my time to bother to reply to your posts if I am in no way able to convince you you're wrong - because you won't ever change your mind because you're "debating" in such a way that it'll be impossible. You're "debating" an opinion you don't believe yourself. Waste of my precious time.

:duh:
So it was wrong for Ulysses S. Grant to fight for the Union because he owned slaves? Or modern American soldiers to fight for their country when they don't like Obama? Christians still sin.. etc.

Are you really trying to use this argument to refute my point that piracy is bad?

http://www.3news.co.nz/Megauploads-Kim-Schmitz-arrested-in-Auckland-site-shut-down/tabid/412/articleID/240007/Default.aspx

loool

Police have also seized luxury cars with an estimated total value of up to $6m.