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Last night, the police came over to my place, they were 7. They were looking for one of my better friends, one I've known since I was 4. They looked in all the rooms and explained that my mate is searched for homicide.

They came over to my place because I was the last person he had phoned and he was supposed to come over for a drink (which he never did).

They said the police had proof of him being involved in a homocide.

I have to stay alert and warn them if he calls me or if he comes over..

Should I do it ? I've known him for twelve years now, and this certainly isn't anything like him.. I don't know what I should do..

Yeah, unless you live somewhere where the police are very corrupt you should turn him over. If he's innocent it'll be proven in trial.

Do you want to risk being trailed as an accomplice? I don't know your laws but you'd be in a lot of trouble if they found out you knew where he was and didn't turn it over.

How dissapointed wouldn't he be ? One of your best friends, someone you trust, someone you've lived alot with gives you away. I'd feel terrible and honestly do not want to do it..

Well you don't have much of a choice, and if he's a true friend he'll understand the position they're putting you in. You can speak up and defend him in court or whatever if you truly believe he's innocent, but the smart play for now is to do what the police told you.

From: Flight
Well you don't have much of a choice, and if he's a true friend he'll understand the position they're putting you in. You can speak up and defend him in court or whatever if you truly believe he's innocent, but the smart play for now is to do what the police told you.

Imagine your brother or sister or someone very close to you is in the same situation as him.. Would you really do it expecting them to understand ?

I wouldn't be capable of doing such a thing :/
Dunno what would be better: suffer the consequences of helping a long term friend, or hand over to the police ..

~onilika

Just report it to the police and make sure your friend does not know you told them.

I'm stressed out.. More than I've ever been before.. If he contacts me I imagine he'll ask me to hide him or something of the like or explain the situation or worse : hide it all..

When the police say to report him if you see him just be like yeah yeah ok sure then never do it and say you never saw him. Also I would suggest not hanging out with him if you do come in contact with him because then they'll take you down as an accomplice.

You're obviously on their list of close contacts. What happens if you hide him and the police come back again? Then both your lives are ruined.

They know he called you before, they could find out if he calls you again. There's really no way for your to help conceal him without taking an enormous risk yourself. It's clearly a desperate situation, but a real fried wouldn't ask that of you. You need to consider that from both sides. You can't undo what has happened, and the ONLY way to handle this is to work with the police. It's not a choice, it's the only choice.

Edit: I just watched a documentary on credit card use last night, and they had horror stories from 30+ people. The one similarity is that they were all in some kind of desperate situation (lost a job, medical bills, divorce, etc), and made a bad decision that only made their bad situation much, much worse. Don't make the same mistake here.

F*** the Police! Oh wait no, what am i saying! I see that phrase so much on the internet I've started thinking it! :S

Back on topic, do as the police tells you, and if he does call, just tell him that the police have been there to see you & and that he shouldn't come near you/contact you anymore because you think the police are watching you/listening to your phone, so coming to you would be a sure way of getting caught (its reasonable to believe that you're being watched if you were as close to this individual as you've said).

After that you can call the police and say that he contacted you but you didn't ask for any details and have no further information to give him. That way you've covered your back and you haven't sold out your friend in any way.
Well at least that's what I'd do :D

From: momotron
F*** the Police! Oh wait no, what am i saying! I see that phrase so much on the internet I've started thinking it! :S

Back on topic, do as the police tells you, and if he does call, just tell him that the police have been there to see you & and that he shouldn't come near you/contact you anymore because you think the police are watching you/listening to your phone, so coming to you would be a sure way of getting caught (its reasonable to believe that you're being watched if you were as close to this individual as you've said).

After that you can call the police and say that he contacted you but you didn't ask for any details and have no further information to give him. That way you've covered your back and you haven't sold out your friend in any way.
Well at least that's what I'd do :D

Problem: Chances are his phone's already tapped.

if they didn't give you any other information you should tell the police what they want to know.

uf you are in my loved counrty mexico, run run for your life!!!!!!!!

From: eduardo230
uf you are in my loved counrty mexico, run run for your life!!!!!!!!

ROFLMFAO. :sasmokin:

if hes this good friend you might want to let him know but not by cell phone or any mail that can be traced. and ask him if he did it and how then you could find out what to do.

I don't see a problem in Dervish asking for his friend to stay away from and him & there shouldn't be a problem with Dervish telling him that the police are looking for him and that he shouldn't tell him where he is etc. Even if the phonelines are tapped. If the police have an issue with you telling them that, they'd No1. Tell you No2. warn you - cant get in trouble if they didn't warn you No3. You can say you lied to protect yourself from a dangerous felon who may harm you.

There shouldn't any issues with my earlier post.

fuck the police.
Seriously though, failure to report a felony is a huge crime. So if he does contact you make sure he doesn't tell you anything. Don't ask him anything.
You cannot get in trouble for not turning him over unless they've already proven something. I would check with a lawyer to get more info if i were you. I could never turn over a friend of mine. :(
I feel your pain bro.
You live in USA?

Just tell him that you have to tell everything to the police and that you do not wish to speak with him becouse that probably is the best thing to do since you do nothing unlawfull and he has a better chance not getting caught.

Man for all you know he killed the bastard who was raping his sister. Hide that mofo, you don't rat on your friends

-RM

From: Sir R. M8gic1an
Man for all you know he killed the bastard who was raping his sister. Hide that mofo, you don't rat on your friends

-RM

fuck yes.

From: ItsTHC
When the police say to report him if you see him just be like yeah yeah ok sure then never do it and say you never saw him. Also I would suggest not hanging out with him if you do come in contact with him because then they'll take you down as an accomplice.

Too risky.. Although that's exactly what I feel like doing.

From: tarajunky
You're obviously on their list of close contacts. What happens if you hide him and the police come back again? Then both your lives are ruined.

They know he called you before, they could find out if he calls you again. There's really no way for your to help conceal him without taking an enormous risk yourself. It's clearly a desperate situation, but a real fried wouldn't ask that of you. You need to consider that from both sides. You can't undo what has happened, and the ONLY way to handle this is to work with the police. It's not a choice, it's the only choice.

Edit: I just watched a documentary on credit card use last night, and they had horror stories from 30+ people. The one similarity is that they were all in some kind of desperate situation (lost a job, medical bills, divorce, etc), and made a bad decision that only made their bad situation much, much worse. Don't make the same mistake here.

Its a friend and a good one. I can't really just give him away like that.. Working with the police seems to me like the most rational way of doing things.. Its an emotional suicide however. Also what if people find out about it ? Yeah he's the guy who gave away a good friend to the cops when he was in need of help…

From: momotron
F*** the Police! Oh wait no, what am i saying! I see that phrase so much on the internet I've started thinking it! :S

Back on topic, do as the police tells you, and if he does call, just tell him that the police have been there to see you & and that he shouldn't come near you/contact you anymore because you think the police are watching you/listening to your phone, so coming to you would be a sure way of getting caught (its reasonable to believe that you're being watched if you were as close to this individual as you've said).

After that you can call the police and say that he contacted you but you didn't ask for any details and have no further information to give him. That way you've covered your back and you haven't sold out your friend in any way.
Well at least that's what I'd do :D

I was given orders to ask for details like location and try to meet up with him or something…

From: ggzz
Problem: Chances are his phone's already tapped.

No doubt..

From: tom99
if hes this good friend you might want to let him know but not by cell phone or any mail that can be traced. and ask him if he did it and how then you could find out what to do.

I need to find out where he is in order to do that however..

From: momotron
I don't see a problem in Dervish asking for his friend to stay away from and him & there shouldn't be a problem with Dervish telling him that the police are looking for him and that he shouldn't tell him where he is etc. Even if the phonelines are tapped. If the police have an issue with you telling them that, they'd No1. Tell you No2. warn you - cant get in trouble if they didn't warn you No3. You can say you lied to protect yourself from a dangerous felon who may harm you.

There shouldn't any issues with my earlier post.

I think he knows the police are after him : his phone is off, he hasn't been on facebook ever since the presumed event….

From: footballjds
fuck the police.
Seriously though, failure to report a felony is a huge crime. So if he does contact you make sure he doesn't tell you anything. Don't ask him anything.
You cannot get in trouble for not turning him over unless they've already proven something. I would check with a lawyer to get more info if i were you. I could never turn over a friend of mine. :(
I feel your pain bro.
You live in USA?

I live in France and yes, cops tends to be a bit rough around here.

From: jordi1104
Just tell him that you have to tell everything to the police and that you do not wish to speak with him becouse that probably is the best thing to do since you do nothing unlawfull and he has a better chance not getting caught.

If only I could get a hold of him..

From: Sir R. M8gic1an
Man for all you know he killed the bastard who was raping his sister. Hide that mofo, you don't rat on your friends

-RM

The way I feel.. The risks are great though..

I've been at his place, his parents were horrified and haven't heard of him, same thing with his sister…

From: Dervish


Its a friend and a good one. I can't really just give him away like that.. Working with the police seems to me like the most rational way of doing things.. Its an emotional suicide however. Also what if people find out about it ? Yeah he's the guy who gave away a good friend to the cops when he was in need of help…

really? dude this isnt like smoking a joint. this is murder. if u told on ur friends for weed, i understand why ppl wouldnt want to trust u (if they smoke pot). but murder is completely different. you dont have a choice: you have to tell. correction, you do have a choice: ruin ur life, or dont. your friends life is ruined, period. u cant stop that. it doesn't matter what u do now, the court decides his fate. wat u do now will decide your fate. do you want to end up like him? because the ONLY thing u can change is your own fate in this situation.

EDIT: dont wanna be mean, i just dont like seeing people throw away their lives pointlessly. i hope u make the right decision. :)

From: Dervish
I was given orders to ask for details like location and try to meet up with him or something…

the awesome thing about "orders" from cops is you can completely ignore them.
You cannot aid your friend and you cannot lie to the cops, but you can call BS when they tell you to help them.

From: footballjds
the awesome thing about "orders" from cops is you can completely ignore them.
You cannot aid your friend and you cannot lie to the cops, but you can call BS when they tell you to help them.

Lol no. Harboring a fugitive or similar is highly illegal in most places. He is wanted and looked for, it would probably be illegal to not turn over information about him.

Warrior is absolutely correct, you don't want to "fuck the police" especially with such a serious case as murder. If he did or didn't do it, his life is basically already ruined. The only way he's going to be able to fix his life is being proved not guilty in court. It's a major thing he is being pressed with, he needs to face it. It will not just disappear, and helping him avoid it for a bit will only result in trouble for you as well.

From: Harry
The only way he's going to be able to fix his life is being proved not guilty in court.

Casey Anthony did it. Anyone can do it. :D

Turn him in. Doesn't matter if you know him for that long… let the Law deal with him , and if he's innocent than talk to him about it, if he is guilty … well you did something right for your missing friend and his family..

You don't have an option, you have to turn him in if he texts/calls/talks to you/you see him. If you don't and you are found to be helping/assisting/hiding him, you will also be found guilty of Harboring a Fugitive. If you turn your friend in, he will be given a fair trial. Should he plead guilty, well then you know he was infact involved in the homicide. Should he plead not guilty, well then you know you did the right choice and won't be involved in the whole scene anymore. Either way you'll win - if he's guilty, then he spends his time over in jail; if not, you can talk to him again.

Well No matter how bad the situation, hiding a fugitive is as bad as being one…Yea you could probably hide him but the problem is that what if, What if you hide him and the police find him in ur house. He goes to jail for homicide and u got to jail for being an accomplice. Eventually he's gonna have to face the police, just depends on how. Keeping in mind this is not GTA where u can kill someone and hide in a corner until the stars go down.

I feel sorry for you man. Anyway, here's the thing. What IF he did commit murder? Do you want friends that are murderers? If he's not guilty, then he'll most likely walk free. In the end it is his mistake and you can support him, but I don't think that support should stop you from working with the police to discover the truth. I'm not sure what I would so in such a situation, but I'm leaning towards working with the police. After all - what if your sister got murdered by someone, how would you feel is someone else was hiding the murderer? (All of this is obviously purely hypothetical, but it's worth thinking about)

From: Dervish

Last night, the police came over to my place, they were 7. They were looking for one of my better friends, one I've known since I was 4. They looked in all the rooms and explained that my mate is searched for homicide.

First of all, did you tell them they can come in your home? Idk how they do it in France, but they have to have a very good reason to come into an American's home without a warrant or permission. The police would never get permission from me, whether I am guilty of anything or not.

From: Dervish


I was given orders to ask for details like location and try to meet up with him or something…

They can't order you to do that. You aren't an officer.

If he contacts you, ask him whatever you like, but don't learn anything you wouldn't mind the police knowing. The first thing you say when he answers is, "Don't tell me anything the police can't know." That will absolve you of guilt. Don't go out of your way to help the police, but don't fuck over your friend.

The police might have said they have proof, but are you sure? Police lie. I don't care what you say, they do. Unless you have seen the proof, believe nothing, remain silent.

From: Wizzup?
I feel sorry for you man. Anyway, here's the thing. What IF he did commit murder? Do you want friends that are murderers? If he's not guilty, then he'll most likely walk free. In the end it is his mistake and you can support him, but I don't think that support should stop you from working with the police to discover the truth. I'm not sure what I would so in such a situation, but I'm leaning towards working with the police. After all - what if your sister got murdered by someone, how would you feel is someone else was hiding the murderer? (All of this is obviously purely hypothetical, but it's worth thinking about)

Knowing him.. He would not have done something like this without a fucking good reason. He's not the violent type of guy and definitely wouldn't think of murdering someone..

From: Grihmm
First of all, did you tell them they can come in your home? Idk how they do it in France, but they have to have a very good reason to come into an American's home without a warrant or permission. The police would never get permission from me, whether I am guilty of anything or not.


They can't order you to do that. You aren't an officer.

If he contacts you, ask him whatever you like, but don't learn anything you wouldn't mind the police knowing. The first thing you say when he answers is, "Don't tell me anything the police can't know." That will absolve you of guilt. Don't go out of your way to help the police, but don't fuck over your friend.

The police might have said they have proof, but are you sure? Police lie. I don't care what you say, they do. Unless you have seen the proof, believe nothing, remain silent.

Of course I let them in, why wouldn't I ?

If I say Don't tell me anything the police can't know, that's about the same as assisting him isn't it ?

You don't know where he is now. That is good: you don't lie to the cops and you aren't betraying him.
As said before: the best thing really is not to know anything about his whereabouts, that way there is no guilt on you. If he really is searched for homicide, your place would be one of the worst to hide as you know him too well. They already searched there. If he got half a brain and is serious about escaping the police, he should know.
Though the best thing would be to turn himself in or go far away (overseas). Else he'd be seriously doomed.

Look, telling him to keep away from you is easy to justify (even if the cops have told you otherwise). Say you said it because you were worried about your personal safety, there's nothing they can do about that.

Fuck that the police cant do anything, ignore the police, if ure friend needs help, help him, but do it logically, not like a retard…

From: butterlyr
Fuck that the police cant do anything, ignore the police, if ure friend needs help, help him, but do it logically, not like a retard…

wow

I'd say check with a lawyer in your area about it. In the mean time, I'd just avoid your friend at all costs and not speak with him if he calls.

This is a difficult ocassion.Generally,if your friend isnt guilty,he dont have to be hiding.Why should he have to hide if he isnt guilty?Just tell him,if you can, to go to the police and tell them that he isnt guilty.

From: Dervish
Of course I let them in, why wouldn't I ?

If I say Don't tell me anything the police can't know, that's about the same as assisting him isn't it ?

Well, it basically depends on whether or not you trust the police. I have never met a good police officer, so I would never let any in my home without a warrant.

And yeah, it kindof is, but it isn't anything that will get you in trouble. It is a good compromise between helping your friend, and complying with the law. I agree with the idea of checking with a lawyer what you should do. I am not familiar with French law, although I know your Constitution is similar to the American one.

if he is your best friend, i dont think he'll be putting you into this situation, not in any way. or at least that what i will do if i get into some situation like this one.

Seems like a bunch of snitches to me tbh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4g4Rx8h8A
-Eff Grandad
by Thugnificent

Listen to the song, should lead you along the right path.

"Somebody needs to ask these snitches:
Why they talking to police, no justice, no peace?
My house is paid for, no rent, no lease."

Just cooperate. Either he didn't do it, and it'd likely be proven in court, or he did, and you just did your community a favor. Nobody will look down on you for turning someone in for murder - but harboring a fugitive? Yeah, it's safe to say most will think less of you. Some will think more of you - but are those really the people who you want associated with yourself? I won't provide you any legal council, but morally/emotionally, I have to say that cooperating is probably the best route, regardless of if it's the most enjoyable.

Whatever choices you make, I wish you the best of luck. No regrets.

You think that if the community finds out that you turned in a friend of 12 years they wouldn't think less of you.
You couldn't go take out the trash without 5 people giving you a smirk/look of disgust.
And I know I wouldn't ever be friends with some snitch.

The best you could do to help your friend is to just say "Can't help you bro" and hangup if he calls. And there is no such thing as a "good reason" to commit homicide.

In my eyes he's one of the most wonderful persons I've met. Not a murderer and I won't treat him as one. As far as I'm concerned, the police only have suppositions without any proof. My friend would never do something like this unless its absolutely, but when I say absolutely I mean it, necessary.

@cause : a man walked into your home, beat up and killed your parents, closest persons to you in front of you. Would you not kill him ? I would for sure.

Sorry if that's a bit extreme but basically that's what I mean, sometimes, your emotional side covers the rational side and exposes yourself to your feelings, making you do things you would never have considered in another situation.

I've made up my mind, he's my best friend, I will not cooperate.

BAM. Right choice bro - but do it smartly.

From: cause
The best you could do to help your friend is to just say "Can't help you bro" and hangup if he calls. And there is no such thing as a "good reason" to commit homicide.

lol'd.

There is plenty of time I would say homicide becomes VERY necessary. For example, the plain that crashed in PA. Flight 93. Just think if they didn't attack the hijackers?

What about shootings in schools where the perpetrator is attacked and killed my a civilian. Can you really tell me that is not a justifiable "good reason"?

From: Swagger
BAM. Right choose bro - but do it smartly.

+1

in all honest if u are in france and if he has done id advise him to join the french foreign legion, after 7 years in service u can leave with a new identity and no previous crimes can be put agaisnt you, if u dont know what the french foreign legion are google it.

act like you dont know anything when the police ask around but tell your friend that its not your problem and you dont want to get into shit

Seriously, be careful!

There was a guy named Ryan Holle who lent his car to a friend, and his friend went and picked up some friends and went to some drug dealer's house and stole drugs and money and one of the people that were picked up, killed a girl that was in the house.

Ryan Holle, the innocent friend, who had a perfectly clean alibi, that lent the car, he was a mile and a half away from where the murder took place, but he was charged with first degree murder. He lent his car to his friend(and roommate i believe) to keep from being the punk.

Don't let one person's mistake ruin your life. If you're not comfortable aiding the police (understandable), ignore him. If he calls, hang up; if he shows up, turn him away. You don't have to help them, but you absolutely cannot help him.

From: Dervish
Last night, the police came over to my place, they were 7.

From: footballjds
lol'd.

There is plenty of time I would say homicide becomes VERY necessary. For example, the plain that crashed in PA. Flight 93. Just think if they didn't attack the hijackers?

What about shootings in schools where the perpetrator is attacked and killed my a civilian. Can you really tell me that is not a justifiable "good reason"?



+1

You're right, self defence is acceptable. But this mentality that if someone does something horrific to you, that it is perfectly acceptable to do the same back, just leaves the world blind and toothless (if you catch my drift).

From: cause
You're right, self defence is acceptable. But this mentality that if someone does something horrific to you, that it is perfectly acceptable to do the same back, just leaves the world blind and toothless (if you catch my drift).

I agree with you. However, if i found out one of my sisters was raped and i saw the perp 3 years later in a dark alley I wouldn't hesitate to kill him.

From: footballjds
I agree with you. However, if i found out one of my sisters was raped and i saw the perp 3 years later in a dark alley I wouldn't hesitate to kill him.

+1 if i had a sister ;D but i also get your drift =]

From: pur3b100d
+1 if i had a sister ;D but i also get your drift =]

i have 4. Guess i'm protective.
or should i say OVER

For communicating with your friend.

http://www.gnupg.org/

/facepalm

Even the people you know best are capable of being monsters. Disassociate with him, tell the police what they need, and stop being affiliated!

Let go man; yes it'll be hard, that's not a lie.

You really shouldn't take him as a friend into account.

Take him as the person he is. They say he's wanted in connection for murder? It doesn't matter how long you've known him or how many years you've lived with him. Fact of the matter is, take him being your friend out the equation and he's wanted in connection for murder. Simple as that.

My best friend is like a brother to me. Honestly, I'd die for him, but I've no doubt I'd turn him over if he was wanted for murder, because I'm not ruining my life and my career for some selfish thing that he's done. It's not my prerogative to look after fugitives, and it shouldn't be yours either.

You're listening to idiots on here. Anyone who says you should help him obviously isn't aware of how corrupt the police are. They know what you're doing, they'll be monitoring your computer and phone, as for all they know, you're an accomplice because they think he rung you. And the more you drag it out and lie, the more you're going to go down for perversion of justice and aiding a fugitive.

This isn't a game Dervish, don't be ridiculous and realise the gravity of the trouble you could be in if you aid your friend.

I'm not saying you have to turn him over, but if he rings, ignore it. If he tries to contact you, ignore it. There's nothing sweeter than plausible deniability . If you genuinely don't know anything, there's nothing they can do.

But don't be a melt and try to help him.

Just a little update on this, sorry for gravedig but those interested might want to know..

He gave himself in.

Your Red John avatar makes it even creepier. Do you know how far he was involved?

I'm glad you didn't have to make that choice. It's easy to sit here and say tell the police, but to choose between your life long friend who you consider a brother and the law which could result in serious consequences, honestly, is an impossible decision.

From: litoris
Your Red John avatar makes it even creepier. Do you know how far he was involved?

I don't, all I know is that he got 17 years.. So it would seem that he was involved to some degree but didn't in fact murder.

Its horrible to say this but not a single day passed without me thinking about this thing and… to be honest it is sort of a relief to know its "fixed".

From: Dervish
I'm stressed out.. More than I've ever been before.. If he contacts me I imagine he'll ask me to hide him or something of the like or explain the situation or worse : hide it all..

So.. Friendship is very important and it is good that he got you. It could be for example that someone very drunken just said that your friend killed someone. Happened to my grandfather too and 3 years later the guy who possible got killed was seen and he had never heard anything of that. If he contacts you and you think that´s true and he had done something wrong he has to stand up for what he has done. But overall im a friend of conspiracy theories and friendship is very very important in my opinion. If he contacts you definietly listen to what he has to say.

hey man, thanks for the update. im glad this is all over (at least the uncertainty is). hope you guys keep a strong friendship, and both of you can (eventually) move on from this.

good for you man, just let it all out. Hopefully you can still visit him and get a better idea of hte story:)

Your friend got 17 years??
Btw all this time talking about whether or not to talk to the police or not, if he was indeed invloved and the police were there to talk to you, and you and him were the last people to see each other, dont you think the police would have monitored your phone lines and internet to see if he would try to contact you? Plus all this talk about not wanting to help the police cause he was your friend could have been used against you if something did happen and they could come after ya…

Maybe im just being paranoid