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As a few higher ups know, or don't know, Dynamite approached me for building him a forum to sell scripts. He said he was given permission from a higher up, and I told him that the higher up needs to PM me personally before I would do any work. I never got that PM.

I brought this to BraK's and Hobbit's attention when I found out about it. Dynamite has no longer asked for my help, since he knew I wasn't going to.

Daniel PM'd me this on IRC, http://www.durp.me/forum/ and normally I don't have an issue with people setting up forums. It's the "Script" section in the Market that bothers me. I have a feeling that he didn't set up the forum, or else he wouldn't have asked others to do it for him.

Just wanted to bring this up here, and see what you thought of this.

I think he only cares about money, skiddy, and can't be trusted. As outrageous as that sounds, I'm fairly certain its true. He's constantly asking for people to do stuff for him, his attitude presents this to me and iirc he was previously banned from the Srl market for selling someone else's guide. I don't know why his banned cup has been removed… He's a player, thinks he's clever and in my honest opinion cannot be trusted. He is constantly playing with peoples emotion, putting <3 and Smileys after every request, and has no intention of sharing the wealth he gains with the people he works with or people he's asked to help him.

He's bad news.

I don't like him, one bit. He has access to some good Member scripts. I'm not saying he's going steal them and sell, but I wouldn't put it past him.

Just tonight, he asked me if I could build him a program in C#. I really didn't want to do it, but I wanted to see what "his cool idea" was. It was pretty lame, actually. Also, I knew he'd back down if he had to pay, so I tested him with a mere $6 :p I have a screenshot of the conversation below.

http://puu.sh/c0Tk

and

http://puu.sh/c0Tu

He's tried a few times to get my rock-finding and shape printing from F-Miner. :/ Also I agree with everything noidea just said.

I'm all for script sales and wahtnot and reaping the great benefits and money all those guys are willing to throw at us for quality scripts.

I feel like SRL should have ONE OFFICIAL (but unrelated/linked to this forum) site for script sales, ran and admined by the higher ups of SRL itself.

Once his happens what's stopping everyone else and their moms copying him, I say we disallow ALL OF IT BY ANYONE, and all SSRL+ work on just making their own (if one shall even be made), like Markus is doing.

Due to his rep and past behavior he seems to kiniving and shiz to put anything like stealing and stuff past him, I don't like it!

I agree with YohoJo. If there is going to be one, the higher ups need to be the ones running it.

Yeah even if you're against it, it IS going to be done by all kinds of people, so rather it be done by the PROPER people than nobodies.

I'm not against the idea of selling scripts, just selling them on these forums. Since that's not the reason we are here.

We're in the perfect position to benefit from and control the mad rush to sell / buy scripts.

If we don't do it, somebody else is going to. If we make it easy for people to sell scripts we're likely to maintain control over the system.

I don't really want to hear that so and so is a scammer and have a lot of our members taken advantage of later when we had an opportunity beforehand to control some of the massive buy / sell flood.

It's gonna happen whether we want it to or not. Can we please just make a decision where we stand as a community?
I propose a new poll to see where SSRL+ stands on the issue. If it's no then I think we need to move on to other efforts, if it gets a yes then I think we need to quickly figure out how to implement it before we lose control over the script sales originating from this forum.

Totally agree, greatly said bambam.
Talk about it here: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70674 I can add poll too then.

Wise words Bam Bam. I too agree with you

He thought he had my permission. He doesn't.
Not to forget he had a market ban before.

Bam Bam says it perfectly. I agree with him, 100%.

Markus, he told me you were the one that gave him permission. So that's why I told him to have you PM me telling me he does, and I would have built the forum. Seeing as he doesn't have your permission, I never got the PM, so I knew something was up :p

Another Sp0rk-eh?

From: Kyle Undefined
Bam Bam says it perfectly. I agree with him, 100%.

Markus, he told me you were the one that gave him permission. So that's why I told him to have you PM me telling me he does, and I would have built the forum. Seeing as he doesn't have your permission, I never got the PM, so I knew something was up :p

I just lost a lot of respect for him…

From: Flight
I just lost a lot of respect for him…

I lost respect for him when he took my code for his stat sigs and didn't give me credit.

I think once we figure out where the community stands on script selling we should release a warning about dynamite, regardless of the pro or con outcome for villavu to sell.

[Alert]: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=882257#post882257

Wow, what a scumbag.

He's planning on selling a power mining script…? Wow.

Can someone talk him into at least taking the SRL Member/SRL Staff off the rankings to make it somewhat unrelated to SRL?

EDIT: Is there going to be a limit on what kinds of scripts you can sell on the official(more or less) market so the community doesn't turn into one that sells basic power mining bots?

No, he's planning on selling a Varrock East Miner and Banker script.
And if people will buy it, why not sell it :p except if it's a $3 AutoClicker!

I just feel that it goes against the spirit of SRL to be selling a power anything. :(

Agreed, lame to see easily made/readily available scripts sold for $, but hey if people care to buy it, why not take advantage :p. I believe RiD sells Power stuff… and people buy….

How much like RiD do we want to be, though? I see the point you're making, although I'd much prefer scripters having to put X amount of work into a script before being able to sell it (i.e making an option to bank). Although people looking for more options will buy the one with more options so, I'm not sure. :p

I don't wana be like RiD here at all! SRL Is poifect!

I'm just saying I don't mind if the proper people do what they wish with selling scripts at their own sites, if people want to pay for em, let em.

Hell even if Dynamiate MAKES HIS OWN scripts that are actually GOOD I wouldn't mind, but given his history and such who knows.

He better not be selling/ripping other peoples scripts and selling as his own! Whateva though not much we can do.

I'm all for selling scripts once there is a safe way to stop from script sharing/obfuscation etc.

I'm not against script sales at all if we were to get trustable people to run it; just against selling of power anything scripts, and Dynamite running his own site.

But yeah if he's going to sell other people's scripts the only thing we really can do is offer a free alternative which is exactly the same here.

From: YoHoJo
He better not be selling/ripping other peoples scripts and selling as his own! Whateva though not much we can do.

My only concern. For example my fighter script I just released could easily be sold. It has pickup, spec use, bone burying etc.

I think private selling is fine. If his scripts suck it'll easily spread that they suck so no one will buy, simple as that. But if he lies about permissions that's another thing…

I just want a place where people like us could CHECK scripts to make sure they are not stolen and stuff too :p, if they are bad yes word will spread easily :].

Can't wait for 'our script selling site' that is a big ol theory and WIP forever… :D

I don't trust him one bit. He lied about having permission from Markus to make the forum, what's going to stop him lying about having permission or rights to sell someone's script?

If he is running his own site, then let him. He's not really doing us any harm. How is it different from people selling their scripts at sythe?

I talked to him today (or rather, he talked to me). Pasted with permission:

20:39:25 -!- Irssi: Starting query in Rizon with Booom
20:39:25 <Booom> Ok, so the whole GPL licensing chat with the irc lot scared me a little bit the other day where they
were saying they can sue me etc. I will be doing this seperate to SRL and I will not advertise at all
if that is what you wish. I was just wondering if I can LEGALLY use Simba + SRL
20:39:51 <Booom> If needed I can poll who doesn't want me to use SRL and I will re-write every bit of code that they
have made in the include.
20:42:26 <Wizzup> hm-hm
20:42:34 <Wizzup> I dont think it is muh of an issue
20:42:38 <Wizzup> much
20:42:40 <Wizzup> bbl
20:43:34 <Booom> ok well I don't know whether to go ahead or not now. I don't want mixster suing my ass :P
20:48:00 <Wizzup> Don't rush things
20:51:59 <Booom> ok
23:11:47 <Booom> I am thinking of developing a credits system into simba/forums + use HWID authing. So on simba they
would login with their account that has their credits on then makes sure the login matches the HWID.
Then I need to go about obfuscating. But if I need help with the simba part would you be able to
answer a couple of questions?
23:12:50 <Wizzup> What do you mean?
23:15:21 <Booom> which part don't you understand? :)
23:22:36 <Wizzup> About the licensing, I don't think people will really sue you
23:22:47 <Wizzup> But it might be a wise idea to perhaps donate a small part to villavu or something. idk
23:24:14 <Wizzup> bbl
23:34:11 <Booom> I have said all along, 25% of my sales will always go to SRL/villavu. Whether I am at SRL or not,
villavu will always get 25%.
23:34:58 <Wizzup> I think that sounds reasonable, just get it done first
23:35:13 <Wizzup> dont advertise too much
23:35:47 <Booom> yes :)
23:36:02 <Booom> it is just obfuscating :/
23:39:20 <Wizzup> donr advertise on srl yet anyway
23:45:27 <Booom> I won't ever until you say I can.
23:46:41 <Booom> I have changed from a little annoying kid :P mixster and noidea just can't see it
Day changed to 07 Jan 2012
00:13:22 <Wizzup> Keep at it
00:24:36 <Booom> :)
00:24:39 <Booom> I will
00:25:13 <Booom> Decided I should act like my old timer cup :P
00:26:38 <Wizzup> good
01:21:42 <Wizzup> mind if I paste this convo into a thread?
01:24:04 <Booom> Sure :)
01:24:11 <Wizzup> (in ssrl)
01:24:36 <Booom> as long as I don't get slagged off up there. lol. no that's fine.
01:24:57 <Wizzup> I'm pasting it to prevent you getting slagged off

I feel you guys are being a bit too harsh. I really don't care if he uses SRL and Simba for his scripts, even if he sells them. (E: Actually, I care that he uses SRL/Simba for his scripts and not say - some other lame bot) It's bound to happen and yes - generally SRL is GPL and it wouldn't be ``legal'' for him to keep his script closed. But honestly - I don't feel like suing anyone over this, unless they're really annoying me. Let's just keep this GPL thing as a ``secret weapon'' we could use when things get out of hand. Don't start to wave it in everyone's face. The main reason we GPL code is make sure people contribute back to SRL. I don't see him making any changes to SRL that he won't give to us - thus no reason to harass him like this.

I didn't think it was really harassing him just a concern? Unless I missed something.

In any case that seems awesome to me, 25% donated how can u complain?

And if we find proof that he's ripping other people's code without permission?

From: Flight
And if we find proof that he's ripping other people's code without permission?

I'm sure we'll take the proper action if/when it happens.

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=891370#post891370

Obvious attempt to make a pay script's source 'unseeable'. Fail attempt, though. Oh, and he asks if you can mine a rock in a plugin. This post confirms it.

I don't even know what to say…

From: Daniel
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=891370#post891370

Obvious attempt to make a pay script's source 'unseeable'. Fail attempt, though. Oh, and he asks if you can mine a rock in a plugin. This post confirms it.

Yep I noticed this as well I just didn't know where he was going with it. That would make sense though…

And that's why he fails, he has NO CLUE on what he's doing whatsoever ;)

From: Markus
And that's why he fails, he has NO CLUE on what he's doing whatsoever ;)

Yes, I am quite baffled by his inexperience… :p
You'd think someone who wants this so bad would've at least have done some research…

Well, I know for a fact that whatever way he decides to do it, he won't be the one writing the code ;)

From: Markus
And that's why he fails, he has NO CLUE on what he's doing whatsoever ;)

Except people are GIVING him the answers! http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72124

From: noidea
Except people are GIVING him the answers! http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72124

None of the methods discussed in that thread are actually good methods of hiding the script and so on.

Harry said "other than providing a service where you use your own CPU power on their accounts, it will be cracked.", basically he's talking about having the users access a server hosted on his dynamite's, but dynamite didn't get that… :p
He has no chance on maintaining something like this and doesn't possess the knowledge to even start something like this, so I doubt he'll get anywhere

From: noidea
Except people are GIVING him the answers! http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72124

What wrong with that? You might as well help him do it right.

I never said there was anything wrong with it. But I'm not going to help someone that doesn't help themselves. He never truly tries to complete anything on his own.

Wasn't it mentioned that if script sales were going to happen that SSRL should probably head the charge? We should probably consider getting on that if we are serious because I bet Dynamite isn't going to give up even if he doesn't have the greatest(/any) obfuscation. Kyle you seem to have some time on your hands (while at the office lol), would you consider creating a script sales forum? Anyone else? I don't have the knowledge or really the time but I'd mod or at least join :P

Lol, I'm not doing anything till it's needed or told to. No point in forums if we don't have a means to protect the scripts.

I think a lot of this topic is getting on to the topic of script sales rather than on whether or not Dynamite needs some kind of punishment/stern words for his attempt at deceiving (as I understood the beginnings of the topic.) I don't see how the former issue would affect the latter decision.