SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

Yes, God does exist. You cannot deny that (without making yourself look stupid).

But does he exist in any other way than an imagination in the human brain?

In other words; Is he 'something' that's in all of the universes atoms, electrons and all other matter or a 'force' in the same way i.e gravity is a force?

This is the way I look at God: God existence is just like Money's existence; Without humans to think (believe) there is any value in it or to it, it would not exist. Imagine a human born without any knowledge to human or earth's history; Would a concept like "God" exist? I think not.

Why are there no other animals than humans that praise something "higher" or believe in God?
The only (intelligent) answer I can think of is because they have no knowledge of anything named "God" or anything that can be looked at as "God", and therefore God does not exist for them.


God is merely the belief of God, just as Money is merely the belief of Money.

I say yes God exists.. Think about this.. If God never existed, a human would have invented one by now. As for animals not believing.. They have a lower intelligence that we do.. U cannot tell hat an animal thinks thus leave that out of the argument..

http://villavu.com/forum/showpost.php?p=858170&postcount=340
^Fair warning.
Keep it nice.

God exists. I believe so. I've never seen him, yes. But I do believe that somewhere, above our heads, there's someone watching us !

The sun was considered to be God, once upon a time. It provided us with light, warmth, made living possible, growing crops possible, it ruled our schedule by telling us when to wake and when to sleep. The sun is and was in a way the main provider of life… along with water.

Why was it considered God? Perhaps because whatever is bigger than us is Godly. Perhaps because we depend on it, it is Godly.

And as such, the sun is a higher force, just like money, because it rules many things. And if we were to define a highest force? Well, God.

-RM

Anything can be made a "God", it's all about belief. Is there a higher power? I don't know, this world is full of mysteries that may never be solved.

Science has "proven"* that matter cannot be invented from nothing.

Therefore, I personally believe, that science has proven there MUST be a higher power.

*Don't bitch at me cause i said prove. I know science can't prove something. But it sure as hell can provide all the evidence and until someone show's me that they can create matter with nothing I'm going to assume matter cannot be invented from nothing

From: footballjds
Science has "proven"* that matter cannot be invented from nothing.

Therefore, I personally believe, that science has proven there MUST be a higher power.

*Don't bitch at me cause i said prove. I know science can't prove something. But it sure as hell can provide all the evidence and until someone show's me that they can create matter with nothing I'm going to assume matter cannot be invented from nothing

Then where did this higher power come from?

God is a term we use to justify what we do not comprehend or understand. Don't get me wrong, I believe that there is a God. I believe that God is always there for us when we need him.

But God is just a belief. We, as Human Kind, have changed the meaning of God multiple times for our own justification.

@Football, Science has "proven" that something is created from nothing…Big bang theory. What we see today was a simple point in the cosmos and has expanded to this.
Also another aspect is Something can be made in to nothing. Aka AntiMatter. Those are all theories set forth by science but they are not proven. Just because we can't see something does mean its not their.

We feel he wind, we breathe the air, we smell different scents, but that doesn't mean its not there. I am a believer in God and no matter what science tells me, my faith will be my guidance.

There is definitely a God. I laugh at people who don't think there's a God, and instead remain loyal, possibly unknowingly, to their belief of self-creation.

From: dixienormous
There is definitely a God. I laugh at people who don't think there's a God, and instead remain loyal, possibly unknowingly, to their belief of self-creation.

How can you be so certain? God is a belief, which hasn't been proven or dis-proven.

Because here I am old boy. I didn't just *poof* out of the middle of no where. To me, anyone or things existence is certain proof. Plus, there's lots of biblical evidence for it ;), among an infinite number of minuscule things that add up into everything.

Even those who don't believe have an image of God, so one could say that God exists beyond belief..

But does he exist in any other way than an imagination in the human brain?

But I think you're actually asking if there's any manifestation of God. I guess God exists in people's speech and communities. If the churches aren't a manifestation of God, then whose manifestation are they?

Does God exist in atoms? Well a church is full of that..

-RM

From: dixienormous
Because here I am old boy. I didn't just *poof* out of the middle of no where. To me, anyone or things existence is certain proof. Plus, there's lots of biblical evidence for it ;), among an infinite number of minuscule things that add up into everything.

Just because they exist doesn't mean God made them. God didn't make cars, humans made them. We, as a species, evolved into who we are today.

What is your biblical evidence? I haven't seen any, from anyone, since you have to believe in God for the Bible to be true.

From: hamster31
@Football, Science has "proven" that something is created from nothing…Big bang theory.

:duh:
The Big Bang Theory…
Seriously… It has not been proven for one. Two, the big bang theory doesn't say we all got exploded into existence from nothing…

From: footballjds
:duh:
The Big Bang Theory…
Seriously… It has not been proven for one. Two, the big bang theory doesn't say we all got exploded into existence from nothing…

God hasn't been proven either, so technically we are at a stalemate. We agree that at this moment of time, without any proof, we were created from nothing. I will stand by this until I am proven otherwise.

From: footballjds
The Big Bang Theory…

And any sort of deity is also a theory, only with less scientific evidence than the former.

From: Camo Developer
Just because they exist doesn't mean God made them. God didn't make cars, humans made them. We, as a species, evolved into who we are today.

What is your biblical evidence? I haven't seen any, from anyone, since you have to believe in God for the Bible to be true.

Ya, I forgot, you made them - along with everything else in this universe. You think (that's a keyword you missed out), that we evolved into what we are. You think we evolved from some bacteria, into an ape, and into a human - but that's not proven either. I think God created Adam and Eve, and the whole Bible is biblical evidence with Jesus doing various miracles. You cannot deny that Jesus existed, and tbh, you just have to connect a few dots (that should have been already connected). You instead are trying to connect some dots that are out of the page's border, and mistake ink spots for dots.

From: hamster31
God is a term we use to justify what we do not comprehend or understand. Don't get me wrong, I believe that there is a God. I believe that God is always there for us when we need him.

But God is just a belief. We, as Human Kind, have changed the meaning of God multiple times for our own justification.

@Football, Science has "proven" that something is created from nothing…Big bang theory. What we see today was a simple point in the cosmos and has expanded to this.
Also another aspect is Something can be made in to nothing. Aka AntiMatter. Those are all theories set forth by science but they are not proven. Just because we can't see something does mean its not their.

We feel he wind, we breathe the air, we smell different scents, but that doesn't mean its not there. I am a believer in God and no matter what science tells me, my faith will be my guidance.

Science has absolutely not proven the bigbang theory.. they're trying to tell me that out of no where, some explosion happened.. Firstly, that theory is based on the theory that the universe is expanding everyday.. thus if something expands, it must have a point where it all started.. Problem with that is that no one know what nothing looks like.. thus we cannot say that the big bang happened from "Nothing"..

From: dixienormous
Ya, I forgot, you made them - along with everything else in this universe. You think (that's a keyword you missed out), that we evolved into what we are. You think we evolved from some bacteria, into an ape, and into a human - but that's not proven either. I think God created Adam and Eve, and the whole Bible is biblical evidence with Jesus doing various miracles. You cannot deny that Jesus existed, and tbh, you just have to connect a few dots (that should have been already connected). You instead are trying to connect some dots that are out of the page's border, and mistake ink spots for dots.

As I stated earlier:

God hasn't been proven either, so technically we are at a stalemate. We agree that at this moment of time, without any proof, we were created from nothing. I will stand by this until I am proven otherwise.

I didn't say we made everything else in the universe, just contradicting what you said:

To me, anyone or things existence is certain proof.

^ That's why I brought up cars.

You think that a God created Adam and Eve. You think the Bible is evidence. I can deny Jesus' existence, because it hasn't been proven. All we have to go on is the Bible, which you have to believe in, to accept Jesus' existence.

What dots do I need to connect?

BBT -> Universe forms -> Stars form -> Planets and moons form -> Galaxies are made -> Bacteria life arises from the muck -> Evolution -> Us

^ Connected.

@Camo Developer, that stalemate is called an "argument to ignorance," it's a fallacy. I think it is fully plausible that what happened to the Sumerians (Who can be credited for religion) was similar to Hernan Cortez's landing in Mexico. I'm not saying this as what I believe or a fact, but take out all the nouns and pronouns in the bible. You have a being not from earth coming down from the sky in a vehicle spouting flames with superior knowledge. And then with Enoch, you have the story of him going up into one of these "vehicles" and then coming back with knowledge of how to farm and other things to progress society. This is called Ancient Astronaut theory, I'm sure some of you have heard of it, and although some stuff it explains is a little far-fetched, it is definitely a notion to keep in mind. If an alien landed in your backyard and told you it was god would you believe it?

From: Camo Developer
God hasn't been proven either, so technically we are at a stalemate. We agree that at this moment of time, without any proof, we were created from nothing. I will stand by this until I am proven otherwise.

Science tells us that what you just said is impossible.

From: Harry
And any sort of deity is also a theory, only with less scientific evidence than the former.

I don't think people that believe in God(Christian, for instance) care what science says. That's why it's called faith.

From: footballjds
Science tells us that what you just said is impossible.

You missed the point. You said the Big Bang Theory hasn't been proven, and I said neither has God. So, going on those two outcomes, we came from nothing. Logistically speaking.

Lol someone missed the quotes around my 'PROVEN' lol…and seriously nothing is proven…its all speculation but thats up to the person on what to believe in or on! lol…This thread is pointless and started for no justification other than spark emotional torture and arguments over something that can not lead to a final conclusion..

its like saying who came first, the chicken or the egg…

I personally believe there is a God, but no one will every be able to prove it. The idea with religion is to have faith, which means believing when there is no concrete evidence. Nobody will ever be able to prove whether God exists or doesn't.

From: hamster31
Lol someone missed the quotes around my 'PROVEN' lol…and seriously nothing is proven…its all speculation but thats up to the person on what to believe in or on! lol…This thread is pointless and started for no justification other than spark emotional torture and arguments over something that can not lead to a final conclusion..

its like saying who came first, the chicken or the egg…

the egg is less complex and therefore more likely to have come first…

-RM

From: Sir R. M8gic1an
the egg is less complex and therefore more likely to have come first…

-RM

The Chicken is the only animal in existence that doesn't have chemicals within it to deteriorate the egg, most scientists now accept that the chicken came first.

maybe it wasn't a chicken that laid the eggs!

-RM

From: Nietszche
The Chicken is the only animal in existence that doesn't have chemicals within it to deteriorate the egg, most scientists now accept that the chicken came first.

Evolution occures when DNA mutates, and is carried on through natural selection, what we now know as a chicken came from an egg that was layed by a different(not a chicken), but extremely simmilar species

From: Awkwardsaw
Evolution occures when DNA mutates, and is carried on through natural selection, what we now know as a chicken came from an egg that was layed by a different(not a chicken), but extremely simmilar species

idea's like this just make me laugh. it's like im reading a comic strip…

btw, love you awkwardsaw <3

From: footballjds
idea's like this just make me laugh. it's like im reading a comic strip…

btw, love you awkwardsaw <3

Why? Do you know for a fact that God created you? Not using your belief, but actual physical fact that can be shared with people of other religions, that doesn't make them believe in something to understand.

It is a fact that Jesus is a real person. It is also a fact that the whole universe did not suddenly appear like a magic trick. I think it's funny that you don't believe in God's existence, yet you believe that you evolved from a microscopic bacteria into the most intelligent (questionable in your case) and able animals on Earth. I think you would believe anything as long as it was not God (superiority complex?).

From: dixienormous
It is a fact that Jesus is a real person. It is also a fact that the whole universe did not suddenly appear like a magic trick. I think it's funny that you don't believe in God's existence, yet you believe that you evolved from a microscopic bacteria into the most intelligent (questionable in your case) and able animals on Earth. I think you would believe anything as long as it was not God (superiority complex?).

How is it a fact? Because a book says so?

The whole universe didn't just appear out of no where, it has expanded and grown to what we know today.

It's called evolution, you evolve into better species based on learned skills and knowledge. The best of the species survive, the worst die off, that keeps the species moving forward.

Also, you're putting words in my mouth. I believe in many things, science being one of them. Since you can have actual, testable facts, unlike the Bible which is not fact. I don't have a superiority complex, just because I believe in other things and have an open mind doesn't mean that. Stop trying to twist my words around.

I personally don't believe in god but I don't deny it either.

I personally believe that there has always been something. I believe there might have been big bang but before that.. who knows. There might have been infinite amount of big bangs before the last one.

Big bang in finnish language is "Alkuräjähdys" = "The outset explosion" or something like that. It's annoying me that it's translated like that.

From: footballjds
idea's like this just make me laugh. it's like im reading a comic strip…

btw, love you awkwardsaw <3

I thought it was clever. ;)

From: Camo Developer
How is it a fact? Because a book says so?

The whole universe didn't just appear out of no where, it has expanded and grown to what we know today.

It's called evolution, you evolve into better species based on learned skills and knowledge. The best of the species survive, the worst die off, that keeps the species moving forward.

Also, you're putting words in my mouth. I believe in many things, science being one of them. Since you can have actual, testable facts, unlike the Bible which is not fact. I don't have a superiority complex, just because I believe in other things and have an open mind doesn't mean that. Stop trying to twist my words around.

There's hundreds of accounts. You'll find that Pontius Pilate was a real person, that the apostles were, pretty much everyone in the Bible can be historically proven to be a real person. Look up "Jesus" on Wikipedia and you'll find all the proof that you need - 1000's of credible sources proving that he was, etc (I've already done this). It's expanded…great. So instead of just focusing on Earth, you want to go to the whole universe (which human's have barely managed to explore the fringes of) - yet you think that the planets came from no where (or maybe they evolved some a bacteria - Aha!) - the line is endless - and evolution can only explain a miniscule fraction of all creation.

However, I will assure you that the planets, the sun, etc, did not evolve from a bacteria that crawled out from the sea, or any bacteria for that matter. And btw, science is not final. Hundreds of theories that people took for granted as so-called facts have been proven as wrong. For proof, here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories
One example is the flat Earth theory, where people thought they could fall off of Earth.
Wikipedia has hundreds of sources listed per page (usually), so you can flip through them.

God exists. Science is entirely made up of theories, as nothing can be 100% prove. I wonder how the earth and universe was made from the "bigbang" if it clearly says in "science" that something cannot come from nothing.. In a religious view, god was Always there, so he never came from anything, but is something, if you can understand that. You probably can't since even the smartest human only knows 7-12% there is to know about Anything on earth. I personally, have 2 ex-atheist friends. They both didn't believe in god, yet one of them told me that he always argued with religious folks over religion, because he wanted to get away from it, it was as if the idea of god was pulling him toward "god". Eventually, about 3 months ago he converted and became a christian, telling me that he felt very relieved and happy because there was something more to life, something to believe in. Faith and belief are two very important factors in our lives.. If we never believed in something or someone, I assure you, you would not be here today, as belief goes into another key factor which is Hope. I am a christian, even though my mother and father didn't put emphasis on religion, saying prayers etc. I feel as though believing in anything, anything at all gives you greater understand about life as a whole.
Science and religion both intertwine and share qualities, kind of like Muslims and Jews, Palestine and Israel. Both argue, but are very similar. Think about it, if you believed in god etc, wouldn't this be all in someone's plan? To make people wander away and disagree, not believe in god? Wouldn't a mastermind deceiver want this to happen? Want people to turn away from god etc.. Believing in something is better than nothing.. Same as doing something with your life is better than nothing etc.

Even if you don't believe in god, Jesus and Muhammad were the two Most influential, greatest people in History. Those two people shaped the earth. Try to think about a world without the bible, or ten commandments to guide people into making the Right decisions.. Compare the ten commandments to Hammurabi Code. The commandments gave rules, and the only punishment was not having protection etc from god. Hammurabi who was not a monotheistic person made a set of rules in which almost every punishment was death or mutilation.. Besides, if I wasn't a christian,didn't believe in a higher being, I wouldn't care what I did on earth, since of course it doesn't' really matter right, as we all turn into dust afterwards with no afterlife to expect.. No.. I wonder why some atheists etc Fear death, fear losing their jobs, fear hurting others.. If there is no god, then why not just do whatever Pleases you? Since of course there is no real punishment for it after you die.. Smh.

From: masterful109
God exists. Science is entirely made up of theories, as nothing can be 100% prove. I wonder how the earth and universe was made from the "bigbang" if it clearly says in "science" that something cannot come from nothing.. In a religious view, god was Always there, so he never came from anything, but is something, if you can understand that. You probably can't since even the smartest human only knows 7-12% there is to know about Anything on earth. I personally, have 2 ex-atheist friends. They both didn't believe in god, yet one of them told me that he always argued with religious folks over religion, because he wanted to get away from it, it was as if the idea of god was pulling him toward "god". Eventually, about 3 months ago he converted and became a christian, telling me that he felt very relieved and happy because there was something more to life, something to believe in. Faith and belief are two very important factors in our lives.. If we never believed in something or someone, I assure you, you would not be here today, as belief goes into another key factor which is Hope. I am a christian, even though my mother and father didn't put emphasis on religion, saying prayers etc. I feel as though believing in anything, anything at all gives you greater understand about life as a whole.
Science and religion both intertwine and share qualities, kind of like Muslims and Jews, Palestine and Israel. Both argue, but are very similar. Think about it, if you believed in god etc, wouldn't this be all in someone's plan? To make people wander away and disagree, not believe in god? Wouldn't a mastermind deceiver want this to happen? Want people to turn away from god etc.. Believing in something is better than nothing.. Same as doing something with your life is better than nothing etc.

The thing is, it's hard for people to "just have faith". We want to know HOW the universe works, and how we were created. "Just having faith" isn't good enough

When I was younger and more influenced by my orthodox romanian parents (who were fairly religious in terms of going to church and such…) I bought the whole 'God' thing. Now, in today's day… We are breaking apart the bible and reading it/critiquing it as if it is a technical paper(not saying that this shouldn't happen but in my opinion, science overrules religion nowdays, so critiques are bound to happen.)

There's nobody out there that has these 'Ub3r' powers which we all dream of having. I find it a harder to prove that God actually exists than reasons to prove against the existence, or pre-existence of God. Not to mention popular theories such as the big bang theory which evidently proves that a colossal explosion was the inevitable creation of our solar system, and maybe even universe.

TL;DR : Science > Religion

From: XxX Toxin XxX
When I was younger and more influenced by my orthodox romanian parents (who were fairly religious in terms of going to church and such…) I bought the whole 'God' thing. Now, in today's day… We are breaking apart the bible and reading it/critiquing it as if it is a technical paper(not saying that this shouldn't happen but in my opinion, science overrules religion nowdays, so critiques are bound to happen.)

There's nobody out there that has these 'Ub3r' powers which we all dream of having. I find it a harder to prove that God actually exists than reasons to prove against the existence, or pre-existence of God. Not to mention popular theories such as the big bang theory which evidently proves that a colossal explosion was the inevitable creation of our solar system, and maybe even universe.

TL;DR : Science > Religion

You think you are breaking apart the Bible - but it's just an illusion. Science does not overrule religion. It only does that to people who try to convince themselves that they are open-minded individuals. The Big-Bang theory is a guess lol. Your basing what you think off of someone's guess.
Religion>science

The big bang theory is obviously wrong,since nothing cannot come from something, as Stated in science.. So give another ex please, if there is any Xd.

People who don't believe in god are usually successful and don't need that extra faith as they say. But, even in the bible, it says that it is very hard for the wealthy to get into heaven. Do you see that??

Plus, you are all missing the irony.
God exists not only because he created everything, but because humans believe in him. You will never be able to take that away.
Dispute this logic please, I want to see what you come up with.

I'VE DISCOVERED THE PROBLEM IN THIS THREAD!

Naturalists are asking non-naturalists to prove their beliefs using naturalist logic. This will clearly never work and it won't make sense to either people. :duh:

From: masterful109
The big bang theory is obviously wrong,since nothing cannot come from something, as Stated in science.. So give another ex please, if there is any Xd.

Prove to me that God does exist then. The whole science quote 'Nothing cannot come from something' is a double ended sword because if that were true, who created God? Where's your proof that god is just nothing in the first place? There is none. Where's more solidified proof otherwise? Well, for one, scientists managed to pick up sounds from the bang millions light years away if I am not mistaken (two years ago).

Science doesn't tell how the Universe was created. Since, science is "made" by humans all the time, it Must be wrong, as Humans are not perfect. In 100 years from now, what we know today will most likely be garbage.. And that cycle will start over again in the 100 years after that etc, just like with the earth was flat, now its round thing.. Science can never be right as long as we Humans make it. Science is just a way to Explain things in nature and around us, just like Religion. Science is based of theories, religion is based of "supernatural occurrences" with divine beings and supernatural beings. Since everything we see and do is within each human's concept of reality, then for all i know, we are in a computer program made my divine beings.. For all I know. Xd

From: XxX Toxin XxX
Prove to me that God does exist then. The whole science quote 'Nothing cannot come from something' is a double ended sword because if that were true, who created God? Where's your proof that god is just nothing in the first place? There is none. Where's more solidified proof otherwise? Well, for one, scientists managed to pick up sounds from the bang millions light years away if I am not mistaken (two years ago).

He's trying to state the law of conservation of mass, saying that the BBT is impossible BECAUSE the matter that caused the big bang to happen had to have come from somewhere.

God is not matter, this law does not apply to him. Our definition of God is all powerful and all knowing, he can do anything he wants. (Except create a rock so big he can't lift. :p )

Toxin.. God has always been there, many bible scholars theorize that God is on a dimensional plane.. he was always there, he was never made, there is no "father god". And you're contradicting yourself.. The big bang should of been impossible since something cannot come from nothing right? so then where did the bigbang come from……….. Theres a explanation for God has been there etc.. but None at all for the origin of the bigbang.. unless god did it. Xd

And btw, god can create a rock big enough that he can't lift it, since he can do anything. But he will always be able to lift it, if you get that Xd. The only thing god cannot do is Sin, or commit evil, since he is all good.

From: XxX Toxin XxX
Where's more solidified proof otherwise? Well, for one, scientists managed to pick up sounds from the bang millions light years away if I am not mistaken (two years ago).

One question bro.
1.Are you high or outa your mind lmfao?!
2. How do they know it was this specific "bang"? Heck, it could have been me banging his girlfriend in the next room or something.

From: dixienormous
It is a fact that Jesus is a real person. It is also a fact that the whole universe did not suddenly appear like a magic trick. I think it's funny that you don't believe in God's existence, yet you believe that you evolved from a microscopic bacteria into the most intelligent (questionable in your case) and able animals on Earth. I think you would believe anything as long as it was not God (superiority complex?).

I had to pick this post out of this whole discussion.

It is also a fact that the whole universe did not suddenly appear like a magic trick

The thought of a "God" or deity creating this universe is a lot more comparable to a magic trick than it's counter theory.

I think you would believe anything as long as it was not God (superiority complex?)

Sounds more like the thought of there being no god would scare you.

Ahem

I have read enough sh** about god's existence in the first few posts I am not gonna damage my brain with all those non-sense now, so I skipped through the rest, sorry.

Saying that dna and evolution "ideas" are like reading a comic book …
Saying that it is not possible that the universe was just popped out …
Saying that things Jesus existence is a fact … maybe there were a similar story, but the whole bible is the creation of man, and mostly imagination.

Evolution IS proven. Universe WAS created by (not so well known, but already pretty close theories) natural forces. Science is giving answer for more and more questions, it's not a stupid cartoon.

When I read someone trying to prove religion's existence all I can see is pure ignorance and the complete refuse of learning. Just read shit-load of books that actually teaches you anything before you make those non-sense, fucking irritating posts. Thanks you.

Btw, I pretty much agree with op.

Religion is good to have, yes, go to your church, feel better after, but don't try to prove it.

Oh and a matter of fact about those saying, this and that about science and what it can or can not do: teleporting is indeed possible for example, it was done with atomic clouds already. Quantum technology.

Just because you don't know something it doesn't mean it's not existent. And when I say this I mean something you don't know proven.

tl;dr: me ranting

From: footballjds
:duh:
The Big Bang Theory…
Seriously… It has not been proven for one. Two, the big bang theory doesn't say we all got exploded into existence from nothing…

I dunno… I thought this was pretty enlightening:
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68762

From: masterful109
And btw, god can create a rock big enough that he can't lift it, since he can do anything. But he will always be able to lift it, if you get that Xd. The only thing god cannot do is Sin, or commit evil, since he is all good.

No, if he created a rock big enough he can't lift then that makes him not all-powerful, the rock is more powerful than him. You're turning the rock into God because it is now the most powerful being in the universe (not even the previous "God" can lift it!).

It's a trick question and the correct answer for people that believe in God is "No, God cannot create something more powerful than he is." You're changing the definition of rock and turning it into God.

From: Harry
And any sort of deity is also a theory, only with less scientific evidence than the former.

I know i'm a bit late on this but, The theory of gravity is still a theory. Yet almost everybody believes that.

Yep. My friends, this has become a full-out flame war and this is going nowhere. Everyone has their feet firm in the sand on their position and specific people (dixienormous) are trolls just trying to incite a flame war. I'd almost say specifically that you aren't religious, but instead a bored kid who's just trying to make people angry.

Sabzi…UMadBro?
Lolz, raging like a mofo just because you think your an intellectual. Did you miss the article where I listed hundreds of your precious scientific theories were proven wrong by later science? Don't be ignorant, science is worse then religion, it's portion research, and a larger portion of guessing and if this, then that. Humans know very little of this world, let along others. And the existence of Jesus is a fact, please re-read your research (preferably not with sources like: Bobby Mills from Ms. Perruker's kindergarten class), then we can discuss.

josh, if god were to make a rock so big even he couldn't lift it, he would Always be able to lift it as, God is infinite, a rock is a finite thing, since god is everywhere, all infinitely "strong" he will Always be able to lift a rock he makes, if god were to make a rock a quadrillion tons x10, he god would automatically be able to lift it as the rock is Finite, and god is infinite in everything..

The Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God. Also says: "Seek me and find me.. when you seek me with all your heart, you will have found me."
It has also fore-spoke about drugs and pharmaceuticals being abused in our time.. What about freemason's.. George Bush says he doesn't believe in God yet he's a damn freemason worshiping what? All those non-believers somehow are Freemasons.. Don't believe me? Why does Jagex have the Eyes of Horus all over their game.. Why "Occult" floors in dungeoneering? Do they not believe in some higher power? Just remember guys the National Anthem of America mentions God.. as do many other national anthems.. Even the British one has "God save the queen"..

One last thing it says is that "Those who do not believe, Idolize money, Pagan Gods, and all things Gold and silver." This is often proven true.. Bill Gates loves money.. Steve Jobs loves money.. All the guys at the top.. LOVE money.. they idolize it.. Rappers Idolize it.. all your favourite artists idolize these worthless stuff.. When you die, your not taking any of it with you..

Sufficient enough evidence for me.. those of you saying he doesn't exist.. has never tried to understand nor seek him.

Bible also says that "Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess of God." Have you ever thought about that one line..

When atheist women are having babies.. they always somehow ending up saying "Oh God".. Even when you get in a bad accident.. you somehow end up saying "OMG".. You never for once say gosh.. you say "God" without even realizing it sometimes.. I've seen it happen enough times.

From: dixienormous
Sabzi…UMadBro?
Lolz, raging like a mofo just because you think your an intellectual. Did you miss the article where I listed hundreds of your precious scientific theories were proven wrong by later science? Don't be ignorant, science is worse then religion, it's portion research, and a larger portion of guessing and if this, then that. Humans know very little of this world, let along others. And the existence of Jesus is a fact, please re-read your research (preferably not with sources like: Bobby Mills from Ms. Perruker's kindergarten class), then we can discuss.

And this is why something like this does not belong on SRL… Too many little puny brains with extremely high self-conceded consciences. I nearly fell off my chair laughing to the comment above. The whole, e-thug internet trolling has to stop, umadbro, raging… Come on.

E : This argument is entirely useless, isn't the whole point of an argument to come out with some sort of a conclusion… This won't be going anywhere.

From: dixienormous
Sabzi…UMadBro?
Lolz, raging like a mofo just because you think your an intellectual. Did you miss the article where I listed hundreds of your precious scientific theories were proven wrong by later science? Don't be ignorant, science is worse then religion, it's portion research, and a larger portion of guessing and if this, then that. Humans know very little of this world, let along others. And the existence of Jesus is a fact, please re-read your research (preferably not with sources like: Bobby Mills from Ms. Perruker's kindergarten class), then we can discuss.

The point of science is, basically, to figure out how the physical world works by only means of our senses. Proving old theories wrong and creating new ones just means, to them, that they're gaining more knowledge and understanding of the universe, it doesn't mean they're dumb.

Although debating whether Jesus' existence was real or not, is pretty pointless. He's in many historical books such as the Bible, Quran, Roman records, and the Dead Sea scrolls. Don't say these books are just fairy tales and stories, they've been passed down since their respectful time periods as factual events, why would they suddenly turn into stories written by old men today?

If the bible, koran etc were just "stories" then that means many other books made my socrates, plato, which we learned about in textbooks today isn't true or real.

I laugh at people who don't believe in Jesus's existence.
You've never seen FDR, does that mean you don't believe in him? Or was he just a figment of the world's imagination. People who can never see beyond their screen are incredibly ignorant.
Josh, I never said it meant they're dumb, it means that their theories are no more certain then God's existence - and it's foolish to pretend otherwise.
Plus, I would like if someone would disagree with me on this:
God exists not only because he created everything, but because humans believe in him. You will never be able to take that away.
Still laughing at this:

From: XxX Toxin XxX
Where's more solidified proof otherwise? Well, for one, scientists managed to pick up sounds from the bang millions light years away if I am not mistaken (two years ago).

Easy guys, we can keep this at a simple discussion and comparison of opinions, let's not attack each other. We're not like the other communities, remember. Everyone here can only post what they personally believe in, but the road is open for anyone to believe in what they want without the fear of being attacked. Let's keep it this way.

Please guys, let's keep this calm.

humans have believed in divine beings since cavemen times Xd.(burying of the dead with religious items)

From: Sabzi
I have read enough sh** about god's existence in the first few posts I am not gonna damage my brain with all those non-sense now, so I skipped through the rest, sorry.

Saying that dna and evolution "ideas" are like reading a comic book …
Saying that it is not possible that the universe was just popped out …
Saying that things Jesus existence is a fact … maybe there were a similar story, but the whole bible is the creation of man, and mostly imagination.

Evolution IS proven. Universe WAS created by (not so well known, but already pretty close theories) natural forces. Science is giving answer for more and more questions, it's not a stupid cartoon.

When I read someone trying to prove religion's existence all I can see is pure ignorance and the complete refuse of learning. Just read shit-load of books that actually teaches you anything before you make those non-sense, fucking irritating posts. Thanks you.

Btw, I pretty much agree with op.

Religion is good to have, yes, go to your church, feel better after, but don't try to prove it.

Oh and a matter of fact about those saying, this and that about science and what it can or can not do: teleporting is indeed possible for example, it was done with atomic clouds already. Quantum technology.

Just because you don't know something it doesn't mean it's not existent. And when I say this I mean something you don't know proven.

tl;dr: me ranting

Who are u to say anyone else is ignorant and dumb.. shut up go crawl back into your hole and stop reading.. All science is based off a theory.. As quoted by one of the greatest philosophical quotes to ever exist.. "There are no facts, only interpretations". Dont even mention quantum tech unless you yourself can explain to me why we cannot explain quantum entanglement.. if you do, you sir will get the Nobel prize that no one even Einstein has ever gotten.. I believe its now a 50 Million dollar reward to a genius like you who can explain why we cannot figure it out and why "The speed of the twin particles reacting to eachother is faster than light." You go to your science convention and don't try to prove us wrong.. I can easily say that as well.. Evolution is NOT proven.. it takes MILLIONS of years for something to evolve naturally so don't bullshit us. <— Quoted from the Science centre here in Ontario.. Go tell them they're wrong.

Oh and btw.. teleporting is not possible AT ALL.. unless you are a particle yourself.. and your clearly not. Your a bunch of particles not just one.. teleporting depends on one's mass.. I had a physics teacher that worked on a NASA project to determine if an egg has internal cracks WITHOUT opening it or scanning it.. Pretty stupid project but she was the crazy bitch that taught us physics n stuff.. Turns out she was right when she said only particles can teleport due to them having a very puny mass.. So you cannot teleport.. neither can objects.

From: masterful109
The big bang should of been impossible since something cannot come from nothing right? so then where did the bigbang come from

Tell me, wise one, where did your god come from then? He just "existed"? Why couldn't the same apply to the subatomic particles that made up the big bang theory? Do you think your god just came from nowhere? You argue about stuff coming from nothing, so explain that please.

From: Harry
Tell me, wise one, where did your god come from then? He just "existed"? Why couldn't the same apply to the subatomic particles that made up the big bang theory? Do you think your god just came from nowhere? You argue about stuff coming from nothing, so explain that please.

You're just trying to distract him from his question to you… Also, I already answered that. The laws of science do not apply to God.

From: ggzz
story

I read it all but it was too long to quote.

I was on a lecture about quantum technology, pretty entertaining.
I myself can't explain it of course(hahh, would be good), but they(scientists) did managed to achieve quiet unbelievable things already. Not theory, not unproven something. They did it.
I won't write down all the 2 hours of that, but it's not something to ignore, it's most likely the future of computing. There are big, big problems to overcome by, but when there wasn't?

From: dixienormous
There's hundreds of accounts. You'll find that Pontius Pilate was a real person, that the apostles were, pretty much everyone in the Bible can be historically proven to be a real person. Look up "Jesus" on Wikipedia and you'll find all the proof that you need - 1000's of credible sources proving that he was, etc (I've already done this). It's expanded…great. So instead of just focusing on Earth, you want to go to the whole universe (which human's have barely managed to explore the fringes of) - yet you think that the planets came from no where (or maybe they evolved some a bacteria - Aha!) - the line is endless - and evolution can only explain a miniscule fraction of all creation.

However, I will assure you that the planets, the sun, etc, did not evolve from a bacteria that crawled out from the sea, or any bacteria for that matter. And btw, science is not final. Hundreds of theories that people took for granted as so-called facts have been proven as wrong. For proof, here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories
One example is the flat Earth theory, where people thought they could fall off of Earth.
Wikipedia has hundreds of sources listed per page (usually), so you can flip through them.

Religion is not final either, Jesus was a real person, but most likely not the Jesus you think of. There are plenty of famous historians that were alive at his time and soon after (Plutarch for example) and you're saying not one of them found the things the bible says Jesus did significant. If it had really happened, it would have been written down in something other than the bible.

Now for the whole debate over the big bang theory, watch the "Through the Wormhole" episode that goes through it in depth. After that, it should make sense to you.

From: josh81193
The laws of science do not apply to God.

What makes you think this?

From: dixienormous
It is a fact that Jesus is a real person. It is also a fact that the whole universe did not suddenly appear like a magic trick. I think it's funny that you don't believe in God's existence, yet you believe that you evolved from a microscopic bacteria into the most intelligent (questionable in your case) and able animals on Earth. I think you would believe anything as long as it was not God (superiority complex?).

Come on now, that wasn't needed.

Lol, love you bro:

From: josh81193
The laws of science do not apply to God.

Sabzi, I think you don't have a clue what your talking about, and are just spouting incitive nonsense in an attempt to prove yourself superior.

k im done here.. "wormholes, quantum physics, teleporting.." All of that, which has not been proven, yet you dont believe in something that has been here since we humans "evolved" I laugh.

From: Harry
What makes you think this?

???? Huh? Because God is a supernatural phenomena and can't be measured by the senses? That's the only possible logical answer to God existing. If he was bound by scientific laws then he would have already been proven or disproven, or rather, he wouldn't be God at all.

Screw all of this arguing, I'm just going to worship Saradomin.

From: Nietszche
Screw all of this arguing, I'm just going to worship Saradomin.

Lol ;).

From: masterful109
k im done here.. "wormholes, quantum physics, teleporting.." All of that, which has not been proven, yet you dont believe in something that has been here since we humans "evolved" I laugh.

And I think I agree (for now). Reason is going to rest, Ignorance may rise.

From: josh81193
???? Huh? Because God is a supernatural phenomena and can't be measured by the senses? That's the only possible logical answer to God existing. If he was bound by scientific laws then he would have already been proven or disproven, or rather, he wouldn't be God at all.

How could you prove or disprove something that did not exist in the first place?

From: masterful109
k im done here.. "wormholes, quantum physics, teleporting.." All of that, which has not been proven, yet you dont believe in something that has been here since we humans "evolved" I laugh.

You may think about teleporting for example as you have seen it in movies, but that's not correct.
As I have said, it was already done with atomic clouds successfully.

I am not making these up what I'm saying, I am writing down what I heard from smarter people.

From: Sabzi
I am writing down what I heard from smarter people.

So basically you have no clue what your talking about, your someone else's mouthpiece.

From: dixienormous
So basically you have no clue what your talking about, your someone else's mouthpiece.

Does the same not apply to you? His "mouthpiece" is researchers and scientists, while yours is citations from a book written by sheep shaggers over 2000 years ago.

From: Harry
How could you prove or disprove something that did not exist in the first place?

Could you reword your question?

Also, you're still choosing to ignore masterful's question, rather than answer it you just asked him the same exact question but reversed. "God exists because he can't be disproven" "God doesn't exist because he can't be proved" etc.

Would really like you to answer his question first, since you replied to him, rather than just ask more questions.

This is all a matter of belief. Please everyone stop telling each other they are wrong because you won't be able to prove that. Also please stop saying some things facts that you can't prove.

Some of you are starting to remind my old religion teacher that had that religious wedge that refused to listen any unreligious theories.

From: josh81193
Also, you're still choosing to ignore masterful's question, rather than answer it you just asked him the same exact question but reversed. "God exists because he can't be disproven" "God doesn't exist because he can't be proved" etc.

Would really like you to answer his question first, since you replied to him, rather than just ask more questions.

I chose to intentionally ignore it. There's no way I can prove or disprove him. There's no proof at all of his claims, although there's nothing I can do to disprove his claims either. If I say the world is going to explode in year 2222, are you going to have any way to prove or disprove me? It's a blind claim, just as blind as his.

From: dixienormous
So basically you have no clue what your talking about, your someone else's mouthpiece.

In a way, yes, I don't have any clue what I am talking about, that is true.
I can't explain everything that professors, etc achieved that would be quiet handy at the upcoming exams. It is impossible to learn all the knowledge known. I hope you can see where I am going …(although I think even if you see you will say something different for the sake of bad argument, I don't see why this is good for you)

And because you seem to deny what my "mouthpieces" said I thought I would share it with you.

I love how you grabbed that one sentence though, just to say something you already said, because I refused to answer it the first time (trying not to fuel the flame). But you consistently heat this up more and more on purpose …

From: Harry
I chose to intentionally ignore it. There's no way I can prove or disprove him. There's no proof at all of his claims, although there's nothing I can do to disprove his claims either. If I say the world is going to explode in year 2222, are you going to have any way to prove or disprove me? It's a blind claim, just as blind as his.

His claims aren't entirely blind, you're just interpreting his beliefs wrongly in order to discredit them.

Also, you can't prove God with science, it's just illogical and makes no sense. How are you going to measure a being not bound by scientific laws? It's simply nonsense and won't work.

Edit* I think I killed the thread lol

Guess you guys got bored with my thread then :p.

I believe that god is within all. I think that the yearn to believe in a higher power or the ability to submit to the thought of a higher power is so easy for humans to grasp because we are consciously or unconsciously connected to a higher power (and every human being) in some way.

I have been meditating a great deal lately and I've stumbled upon a few thoughts that have made me ponder many new scenarios of our space-time relationship with "god". I have also been going through the works of great philosophical minds to try and sort it all out properly.

What I've gathered thus far is that the mind has the ability to switch between 3 different states; commonly known as the past, present and future. We can only be immersed in any of these three states of consciousness at once. We can reminisce of fond memories, meditate and take in everything around us and inside us, or plan for the future; but we cannot do all of these at once. It takes a great deal of inner focus to do even one of these simple tasks.

Now I know this is only a theory, but it has been suggested that the fourth dimension is time. What is time? Well, it is undeniable that time consists of the past, present and future. It's quite interesting to me that the subcategories of time correlate with the three possible states of consciousness. This possibly suggests that consciousness hails from the fourth dimension, which in turn suggests that we as humans will never be able to ACTUALLY grasp the concepts of the fourth dimension since we cannot be in all three states of consciousness at the same time.

To bring this back to my main point, I think that the feeling of "god" is simply our connection with the fourth dimension. We can only have a taste of what it's like and our mind is aware of that. We are the only beings that worship a higher power because we have harnessed consciousness, which has very much to do with a higher dimension!

From: dixienormous
There's hundreds of accounts. You'll find that Pontius Pilate was a real person, that the apostles were, pretty much everyone in the Bible can be historically proven to be a real person. Look up "Jesus" on Wikipedia and you'll find all the proof that you need - 1000's of credible sources proving that he was, etc (I've already done this). It's expanded…great. So instead of just focusing on Earth, you want to go to the whole universe (which human's have barely managed to explore the fringes of) - yet you think that the planets came from no where (or maybe they evolved some a bacteria - Aha!) - the line is endless - and evolution can only explain a miniscule fraction of all creation.

However, I will assure you that the planets, the sun, etc, did not evolve from a bacteria that crawled out from the sea, or any bacteria for that matter. And btw, science is not final. Hundreds of theories that people took for granted as so-called facts have been proven as wrong. For proof, here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories
One example is the flat Earth theory, where people thought they could fall off of Earth.
Wikipedia has hundreds of sources listed per page (usually), so you can flip through them.

Bahahaha! You did not just like Wikipedia as your "source"! Omg, that's hilarious. The Earth is just a small area in our universe, there is so much out there that we can't even imagine! How could you only think of Earth when there is so much out in space?

I didn't say planets came from nowhere (I also didn't say they evolved from bacteria(You're just trying to attack for no reason)). They formed after the big bang, millions of years later. Evolution explains all creation, and it has been proven. Why do you keep saying the planets and stuff evolved from bacteria? I never said anything like that, is that what you think evolution is?

Lol the flat Earth theory? You do realize that was in a time where they couldn't cross the sea and the flat horizon gave them that theory, right? Not because God was involved. Oh, and the "100's of sources", they were all proven false by what, oh, more science. Not one of them was proven wrong by religion. Did you even read the article? Or did you just do a quick google search hoping no one would read the page?

From: dixienormous
You think you are breaking apart the Bible - but it's just an illusion. Science does not overrule religion. It only does that to people who try to convince themselves that they are open-minded individuals. The Big-Bang theory is a guess lol. Your basing what you think off of someone's guess.
Religion>science

Science overrules religion in every way. Why? Because you can explain/show/test something without having to believe in a "greater, higher power" for it to work. You can take your work, go to any person in the world (Hypothetically), and get them to understand what was going on, without having to rip them from their religion in order to understand. That is where science overrules religion.

Religion is meant for spiritualness, not to try and prove everything that you don't understand, that wasn't the point of the Bible. That's where your entire "argument" goes down the drain.

From: masterful109
Toxin.. God has always been there….he was always there, he was never made, there is no "father god"….Theres a explanation for God has been there etc.. but None at all for the origin of the bigbang.. unless god did it. Xd

Wait, so God can just always be there, but not the elements and particles that created the big bang? Why is that? Please explain, why one and not the other. Also, and don't just say "Because God is real" or some stupid un provable response.

From: dixienormous
One question bro.
1.Are you high or outa your mind lmfao?!
2. How do they know it was this specific "bang"? Heck, it could have been me banging his girlfriend in the next room or something.

There you go attacking again for no reason. The point of these threads is for people to read each others opinions and have a nice discussion. Not attack someone for having a different opinion. Also, these type of threads are aimed at the open minded people who can think for themselves and not for the closed minded.

As for your second point, but that's a sin, since you're not married to his girlfriend. You'd go to hell. This contradicts you trying to be "religious".

From: NxTitle
Yep. My friends, this has become a full-out flame war and this is going nowhere. Everyone has their feet firm in the sand on their position and specific people (dixienormous) are trolls just trying to incite a flame war. I'd almost say specifically that you aren't religious, but instead a bored kid who's just trying to make people angry.

I couldn't agree more. This is my last post to any of them, until they can send me full, factual links and sources that proves me wrong (And no, Wikipedia is not a source). You can tell when he (dixie) gets mad or upset, he starts spouting more nonsense than usual. I don't mind listening to other peoples opinions, it's actually fun learning why a person thinks they way they do or believe in what they do. It can be very knowledgeable if you allow it.

From: dixienormous
Sabzi…UMadBro?
Lolz, raging like a mofo just because you think your an intellectual. Did you miss the article where I listed hundreds of your precious scientific theories were proven wrong by later science? Don't be ignorant, science is worse then religion, it's portion research, and a larger portion of guessing and if this, then that. Humans know very little of this world, let along others. And the existence of Jesus is a fact, please re-read your research (preferably not with sources like: Bobby Mills from Ms. Perruker's kindergarten class), then we can discuss.

Your "hundred of proven wrong science" was proven wrong by further science, nothing to do with religion. You're the ignorant person here, and how is science worse than religion? Because it has tangible explanations? Religion is all about faith, which is 100% guess since you don't actually know that it exists. Show me your facts that Jesus did exist, outside of the Bible.

From: dixienormous
I laugh at people who don't believe in Jesus's existence.
You've never seen FDR, does that mean you don't believe in him? Or was he just a figment of the world's imagination. People who can never see beyond their screen are incredibly ignorant.
Josh, I never said it meant they're dumb, it means that their theories are no more certain then God's existence - and it's foolish to pretend otherwise.
Plus, I would like if someone would disagree with me on this:
God exists not only because he created everything, but because humans believe in him. You will never be able to take that away.
Still laughing at this:

I laughed at this, because this shows your ignorance. FDR is proven because we have footage, documents, people still alive when he was, his skeleton, etc. You have none of that with Jesus, so maybe you should try again. It's foolish to believe that God created everything, when so much is proven otherwise.

God only exists because people believe in him, if no one believed, he would cease to exist.

From: Harry
Does the same not apply to you? His "mouthpiece" is researchers and scientists, while yours is citations from a book written by sheep shaggers over 2000 years ago.

^ This. I laughed so hard when reading this, couldn't have said it any better.


I think it's funny that people have to resort to attacking, rather than listening. The purpose of this thread was not to start a flame war, but to hear and listen to other peoples opinions. Also, not to force your beliefs or opinions on other people. If people would just open their minds and listen, and not immediately reject something because it's different, the entire world would be a better place.

As I stated very early in this thread:

From: Camo Developer
God hasn't been proven either, so technically we are at a stalemate. We agree that at this moment of time, without any proof, we were created from nothing. I will stand by this until I am proven otherwise.

So far, that is the most thorough breakdown of this thread, Camo. Thanks.

This is a picture of an adorable kitten.


I know this because I can look at my computer screen and see an adorable kitten staring back at me. *nuzzle nuzzle*

I know that this kitten did not always exist. I know that this kitten's parents did not always exist, nor their parents, nor theirs, nor theirs, etc. But I know that, given the very observable laws of the universe, something had to put them there.

I can also use my brain to reason, "Hm. Something that operates outside of our universal laws may have put everything into motion. Maybe that's why I am looking at this adorable kitten licking his paw."

What I cannot do is extrapolate further and say, "Indeed, not only is this being's name Yahweh, the Abrahamic God of the Bible. He also created the universe, and the Earth, and the animals to populate said Earth, in exactly six twenty-four hour days. Never mind that large portions of the Bible have been lost, accidentally mistranslated, or otherwise had their meanings bastardized. I'm going to forgo all reason and logic and subscribe to this set of beliefs."

From: Zyt3x
Yes, God does exist. You cannot deny that (without making yourself look stupid).

How don't believe in god make more stupid than belive in it ? both have not been proved.

From: Camo Developer
Bahahaha! You did not just like Wikipedia as your "source"! Omg, that's hilarious. The Earth is just a small area in our universe, there is so much out there that we can't even imagine! How could you only think of Earth when there is so much out in space?

According to Christian philosophy, in the beginning, God created the heavens(stars, space) and the earth. He did this to prove his magnificent design and his power. Saying there's more than just Earth does not disprove there being a God, but more-so proves it depending how you look at it. (You're telling me all of that randomly happened over the course of billions of years? or Why would God make all of that if humans are all that matters)

Also, Wikipedia is, in fact, a credible source if cited and referenced to correctly. There's a reason for all those hyperlinks and references at the bottom of the page. Everything you read is the opinion of someone else and you should check the background information as well.

From: Camo Developer
Science overrules religion in every way. Why? Because you can explain/show/test something without having to believe in a "greater, higher power" for it to work. You can take your work, go to any person in the world (Hypothetically), and get them to understand what was going on, without having to rip them from their religion in order to understand. That is where science overrules religion.

Here's the big question I want answered.

Can science explain/show/test reality, logic, and knowledge? Apparently those three things don't exist according the science because they can't be measured or tested through the senses.

From: Camo Developer
Wait, so God can just always be there, but not the elements and particles that created the big bang? Why is that? Please explain, why one and not the other. Also, and don't just say "Because God is real" or some stupid un provable response.

I thought I already answered this pretty thoroughly a few posts up..

From: Jason2gs
Never mind that large portions of the Bible have been lost, accidentally mistranslated, or otherwise had their meanings bastardized. I'm going to forgo all reason and logic and subscribe to this set of beliefs."

I wanted to point out this bit because I've talked to a Bible scholar about this exact idea that the current version of the Bible is not true or if it's bad to read because it could possibly be false. He said that according to Christian beliefs, if you believe that the Bible is the ordained Word of God and everything in it is 100% true, then of course nothing has changed because it is the word of GOD. I was going to delve more into this but I don't have many references and I'll try to get more soon regarding this subject. One thing though that I do know of off the top of my head is comparing modern Bible manuscript to the Dead Sea scrolls. The Dead Sea scrolls consist of mostly the Hebrew Bible, which is basically the Old Testament of our current Bible, and they are very old, as you can read on Wikipedia.

…Before you whine at me for using a wikipedia link maybe you should check out the references on the page as well.

From: Phran6
How don't believe in god make more stupid than belive in it ? both have not been proved.

He means the definition of God and the actual word 'God', not whether there is actually such being in our universe.

From: josh81193
I wanted to point out this bit because I've talked to a Bible scholar about this exact idea that the current version of the Bible is not true or if it's bad to read because it could possibly be false. He said that according to Christian beliefs, if you believe that the Bible is the ordained Word of God and everything in it is 100% true, then of course nothing has changed because it is the word of GOD. I was going to delve more into this but I don't have many references and I'll try to get more soon regarding this subject.

You don't need any references to argue, "It's true because I believe it to be true." The argument is invalid from inception.

From: josh81193
One thing though that I do know of off the top of my head is comparing modern Bible manuscript to the Dead Sea scrolls. The Dead Sea scrolls consist of mostly the Hebrew Bible, which is basically the Old Testament of our current Bible, and they are very old, as you can read on Wikipedia.

…Before you whine at me for using a wikipedia link maybe you should check out the references on the page as well.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were first discovered in the 1940s. Prior to which, the Bible was considered infallible.

Is the Bible still infallible?

Thank you for proving my point.

There is no point in arguing over whether there is or isn't a God. Logic doesn't "convert" anyone.

For everyone who doesn't believe in God, just know this - God loves you, and once you experience Him working in your life, you'll believe. Give Him a chance ;)

From: Jason2gs
You don't need any references to argue, "It's true because I believe it to be true." The argument is invalid from inception.

But that's not what I said, that's part of the argument, but the other half is comparing the Bible to previous text that hasn't been altered and has been proven.

From: Jason2gs
The Dead Sea Scrolls were first discovered in the 1940s. Prior to which, the Bible was considered infallible.

Is the Bible still infallible?

Thank you for proving my point.

Expand on this? What makes the Bible infallible now that didn't make it infallible before?

From: Phran6
How don't believe in god make more stupid than belive in it ? both have not been proved.

Because one can't say God doesn't exist.

To say that God doesn't exist can be looked at like saying "Money doesn't exist."; God is simply a concept we humans believe in (Just like money!).


One thing that made me curious was this post:

From: footballjds
idea's like this just make me laugh. it's like im reading a comic strip…

Are you saying you don't believe in evolution?
You should read some (other) books (and not just the "holy book")…
Or you could watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl89HIJ6HDo

From: Zyt3x
Are you saying you don't believe in evolution?
You should read some (other) books (and not just the "holy book")…
Or you could watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl89HIJ6HDo

The problem I find with evolution is how does one species give birth to another species with a different set of chromosomes and entirely different DNA strands? Natural Selection makes sense, but that deals with genes being phased out or in.

(but then again, this thread is about the existence of God, not the origins of the universe)

This thread is on a spiral. I would just like to say that a "theory" is a very prestigious thing to call something in the scientific world. Theories are based on fact. Also, just because science hasn't answered something yet doesn't mean it cannot. Religious people of old may have used unexplained concepts as arguments for gods.
Existence of tides –> unexplainable –> therefore god.

However, we can now explain tides using science. This could also be true when it comes to many other things. A good scientific mind realizes that science hasn't explained everything yet, and just because it hasn't doesn't mean there is automatic implications. The good scientific mind realizes these holes and strives to find an answer to them using the tool of science instead of just making an assumption and sticking with it. One of the beautiful things about science is that it is ever-evolving. It is always coming up with more answers.

I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).

From: Zyt3x
Because one can't say God doesn't exist.

To say that God doesn't exist can be looked at like saying "Money doesn't exist."; God is simply a concept we humans believe in (Just like money!).

Money is made by human, god is an invention of human ?
money havnt allway existed… animal dont have money…

From: dixienormous
I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).

Lol, you just don't know when to shut up do you?

From: dixienormous
I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).

Let's move this from does god exist to what characteristics of those who do and don't think he exists. So far, all the snide comments like this have come from those siding with god. I'm not saying if you believe in god you're an ass, but the message for the most part is to be a good person. Most people I've met that I would consider poor excuses for a human being have been religious fanatics, and I've met some very well rounded Athiests. If you're going to exclaim your belief in god and defend it as such, at least act like it. Being an ass is not acting like it. Being ass shows that there are people who don't believe in god that are better christians (I'm assuming you're christian) than you even though they're not trying to be. It's people like you that ruin organized religion and make it the limiting factor it is. My apologies if this is considered too harsh. "Christians call it faith, I call it the herd" - Nietszche.

Camo I like your big post. Wanted to rep you to say it privately, but popup didn't come up.
I sure won't go deeper now, or try to prove anything, either you put your head into sand or already thinking the same(ish) way.

All hail dixienormous, the human!

From: Phran6
Money is made by human, god is an invention of human ?

Exactly.

God exists no matter how you look at it; In the minds of those that believe in it (God)

Or are you trying to say you can find traces of God in matter like atoms and/or electrons? in that case; God must be an elementary particle, which sounds kinda stupid :p

From: Zyt3x
God exists no matter how you look at it; In the minds of those that believe in it (God)

So Santa Clause and the tooth fairy and unicorns and blah blah blah literally exist, too, right?

From: i luffs yeww
So Santa Clause and the tooth fairy and unicorns and blah blah blah literally exist, too, right?

Yes of course. They exist in the exact same way God, Money, Mickey Mouse, Ronald McDonald and anything else in this universe exists.

From: Zyt3x
Yes of course. They exist in the exact same way God, Money, Mickey Mouse, Ronald McDonald and anything else in this universe exists.

I can't tell if you're serious or not..

For one, money and mickey mouse/ronald mcdonald are quite different from each other. On top of that, a deity and money are quite different, as well. Money itself (a legal tender, a coin/piece of paper with some engraving/ink on it) does exist, as you can touch it, see it, blah blah blah. I can open my wallet and touch money. The thing that has some relation (except for not really) between money and god is the value of money, which is an arbitrary number that we make up, is nothing more than a number we put on it. That still says nothing about your claim that a god exists because people think of it.

That's nonsense.

The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists.

God cannot be proven, but neither can science.

Why not call this thread: "Do you think god exists?"?

God is what we make of it, whether it exists or not.

Let's just stop arguing, we all know it will end up in flaming as nobody provides valid reasons. In fact, nobody can. If I believe in god? It doesn't even matter.

-makulu

From: i luffs yeww
I can't tell if you're serious or not..

For one, money and mickey mouse/ronald mcdonald are quite different from each other. On top of that, a deity and money are quite different, as well. Money itself (a legal tender, a coin/piece of paper with some engraving/ink on it) does exist, as you can touch it, see it, blah blah blah. I can open my wallet and touch money. The thing that has some relation (except for not really) between money and god is the value of money, which is an arbitrary number that we make up, is nothing more than a number we put on it. That still says nothing about your claim that a god exists because people think of it.

That's nonsense.

The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists.

That's exactly what he's saying… Zytex isn't using that argument to prove that there is a supernatural God, he's just saying that he have a definition and word for such a being and you can't argue against it. If he was to prove his point, his references would consist of Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com, wikipedia, almost every holy book that existed, and the fact that your post has the word 'God' in it. :duh:

Basically, it's redundant.

From: makulu
God cannot be proven, but neither can science.

Science CAN be proven. Just the particular theory isn't considered fully proven as of yet.

From: dixienormous
You think you are breaking apart the Bible - but it's just an illusion. Science does not overrule religion. It only does that to people who try to convince themselves that they are open-minded individuals. The Big-Bang theory is a guess lol. Your basing what you think off of someone's guess.
Religion>science

You're the worst troll around here.

From: i luffs yeww
I can't tell if you're serious or not..

For one, money and mickey mouse/ronald mcdonald are quite different from each other. On top of that, a deity and money are quite different, as well. Money itself (a legal tender, a coin/piece of paper with some engraving/ink on it) does exist, as you can touch it, see it, blah blah blah. I can open my wallet and touch money. The thing that has some relation (except for not really) between money and god is the value of money, which is an arbitrary number that we make up, is nothing more than a number we put on it. That still says nothing about your claim that a god exists because people think of it.

That's nonsense.

The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists.

Not really, money is given its value from human belief in its value, the thing you touch is just a physical representation of it. Just as you could create churches, synagogues, mosques, etc or holy water or statues of god representing him/her/it. without the belief in the value of money your papers and metal scraps wouldn't be much use… even if god as a being doesn't exist, the belief of the existence of god more or less creates god since it starts affecting the actions of huge amounts of people.

From: PerryP
Not really, money is given its value from human belief in its value, the thing you touch is just a physical representation of it. Just as you could create churches, synagogues, mosques, etc or holy water or statues of god representing him/her/it. without the belief in the value of money your papers and metal scraps wouldn't be much use… even if god as a being doesn't exist, the belief of the existence of god more or less creates god since it starts affecting the actions of huge amounts of people.

It only creates a feeling of solidarity. It doesn't create an almighty being that can perform miracles, is all knowing. The problem is that people act based on (this) their solidarity (which isn't really weird). And this is constantly abused, both in politics and every day life. They're constantly lobbying against anyone who doesn't agree with them, about anti-conception, being gay, etc. As much as their imaginary ``friend'' or book tells them to be kind to everyone - it's having quite the opposite effect. Marx nailed it - religion is the opium of the people.

Every powerful leader in history was either agnostic or atheistic and simply (ab)used religion for their own good because it would give him a huge amount of blind followers.

http://www.quickmeme.com/Advice-God/popular/

^ This! Bahahaha!

I think your initial statement is somewhat contradicting itself.

First of all, by your logic "If a lot of people imagine there being a god, there IS a God"

That could work on Santa, and the Easter bunny as well. If you on the other hand would have asked the question "Does God exist, except in the human imagination?"

See that would have been a good question.

And just for the giggles


This picture is claimed to be "Adam and Eve"

How do they both have belly buttons if they're the first people to ever live?

The bellybutton is a scar created by childbirth.

From: i luffs yeww
The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists.

So you mean God exists as a form of matter?

From: josh81193
But that's not what I said, that's part of the argument, but the other half is comparing the Bible to previous text that hasn't been altered and has been proven.

Unless you are trying to say that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls validate everything in the Bible, I'm not sure why you are bringing it up.

From: josh81193
Expand on this? What makes the Bible infallible now that didn't make it infallible before?

You missed the point.

Prior to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Bible was considered to be infallible by followers.

Now that the Dead Sea Scrolls have been found, and it's been shown that parts of the Bible can be lost or misplaced, you still consider the Bible to be infallible.

To put it more simply: Bible is 100% true, ordained word of God -> Dead Sea Scrolls are discovered, turns out the Bible didn't tell the whole story -> Bible is still 100% true, ordained word of God.

From: Jason2gs
Unless you are trying to say that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls validate everything in the Bible, I'm not sure why you are bringing it up.

They do validate the Bible, in the sense that it's not mis-translated or reworded, beyond being limited by definitions while translating. (Which is why most Jews learn to read in Hebrew.)

From: Jason2gs
You missed the point.

Prior to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Bible was considered to be infallible by followers.

Now that the Dead Sea Scrolls have been found, and it's been shown that parts of the Bible can be lost or misplaced, you still consider the Bible to be infallible.

To put it more simply: Bible is 100% true, ordained word of God -> Dead Sea Scrolls are discovered, turns out the Bible didn't tell the whole story -> Bible is still 100% true, ordained word of God.

I understand what you're saying now, and it probably makes sense to a lot of other people too. But people that believe in God of the Bible believe that the Bible 100% perfect and the way that God wants it to be. You'll reassure people that don't believe in the Bible, but you'll never convince someone that does believe in it.

As far as the Dead Sea Scrolls showing that parts of the Bible can be lost or misplaced, there's already documented events during the medieval times (from early Roman Catholic rule to King James) where there were councils and agreements in removing (what they thought) were unnecessary books of the Bible. Again if you believe Bible is true and God is divine, then you will believe that every version of the Bible is divinely inspired therefore true.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are meant to prove the Bible's accuracy.

(I'm not a Christian or Religious in any way, but no one else seems to be able to be able to hold up the argument for the other side, and God knows the die-hard atheists won't bring it up.)

From: Zyt3x
So you mean God exists as a form of matter?

What? No, that's not what I mean. I don't know if God exists as a form of matter, and I don't believe it/he/she/whatever (god) does exist. I can't know for sure, but I can't entirely disprove it, at least not yet.

I still think your claims are ridiculous, and I hope I'm misunderstanding. You don't seem to point out that I'm misinterpreting you, however, and so I must assume you actually believe your claims.

"How do they have belly buttons.." Waw.. are u kidding me? The bible states that they are the spitting image of God.. It never stated that Adam and Eve were the first humans.. they were just the first in the Garden.. God said "For I have chosen you".. He did not say they are the only ones created.. Oh not to mention that some ARTIST painted that long after the bible..not during the time of the creation of the bible.. that's an artists depiction of what they feel adam and eve looks like..


As for all you God haters.. I bet ur girls or friends look like this:


Tbh.. I prefer to look at jesus than piece of shit above.. you guys aren't even arguing anymore your just clearly bashing religion with ur shitty pictures..

As for "Theories are based off facts." Buddy.. in what world do u live in where you know for sure that something is a fact and theories develop from that.. Cuz clearly you have no clue what the hell your talking about.. just bud out the conversation.. trying to look all smart.

Not a single one of you athiests or non believers responded as to why you say "Oh God" when some shit happens to you..

@ Harry "Science CAN be proven. Just the particular theory isn't considered fully proven as of yet." Give me proof.. I guarantee you can't.. why? because your proof will be based off of someone else's theory that was developed before that proof.

"The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists." Doesn't mean he doesn't exist either.. As far as I know, none of you exist and you can't prove to me that you do..

I don't really know anything about religion but doesn't the bible say that god is against homosexuality?
If so, why put men's G-Spots in their bum bums?

-Boom

From: Dynamite
I don't really know anything about religion but doesn't the bible say that god is against homosexuality?
If so, why put men's G-Spots in their bum bums?

-Boom

wtf are u talking about.. That is definitely a myth.. What you call a G-Spot is a nerve in the anus.. it doesn't mean it was meant to be touched by a dick.. or for sex either.. We have nerves all over the place.. have u ever stuck a Q-tip down your ear? It has a lot of nerves in your ear that also stimulate you.. I'm pretty sure some idiot probably also named that a G-Spot.. Some how the most stimulating part of your body is known as the G-Spot..

To me its just a nerve.. Sticking shit in places it shouldn't go.. just for sex is another topic.. this thread is bout God. Yes God hates homo's.. as do I.. Lisp talking ppl can go find another ear to stimulate with their non-sense. Sodom and Gomorrah was punished for such gay acts.

From: Dynamite
I don't really know anything about religion but doesn't the bible say that god is against homosexuality?
If so, why put men's G-Spots in their bum bums?

-Boom

This is funny bro. Also, very, very misleading.

God simply exists to solve problems which 'currently' humans cannot answer, i.e. largely things we either cannot comprehend (i.e. how the world was made) or we have no control over (i.e. life/death). He therefore solves a psychological need which stops us becoming overly stressed, worried etc about things which we cannot deal with anyway.

I take pretty much the same line of thought as Zyt3x^

For all intents and purposes Santa, the Tooth Fairy and so on exist when we are younger for a similar reason. We cannot explain how the presents got there, or our tooth disappeared and where it has gone, until of course we have found out a reason. Even when we stop believing in the a both examples we CAN still believe in a God as it makes logical sense to as now our brains have developed and bigger problems exist which we must deal with.

From: Harry
Science CAN be proven. Just the particular theory isn't considered fully proven as of yet.

Then isn't all science just theories? As "newer" science > old "science" which makes science nothing more than a likely theory, right?

Besides, there isn't a way to "fully" proof something simply because we might take something else as the truth in the future, which happens once in a while.

Take gravity as example… who says our current laws of science are correct? I highly doubt that they aren't, but do we know it for sure? No.

Excuse my grammar :)

From: DarkCoder
I take pretty much the same line of thought as Zyt3x^

Only difference is that I'm an atheist and that I think God is just a delusion created by humans

From: ggzz
As for all you God haters.. I bet ur girls or friends look like this:


Tbh.. I prefer to look at jesus than piece of shit above.. you guys aren't even arguing anymore your just clearly bashing religion with ur shitty pictures..

Well, seeing the majority of the Netherlands is non-theist, I can assure you most people don't look like that. I like how you're calling it bashing - as that shows you kind of agree with the pictures.

From: ggzz
As for "Theories are based off facts." Buddy.. in what world do u live in where you know for sure that something is a fact and theories develop from that.. Cuz clearly you have no clue what the hell your talking about.. just bud out the conversation.. trying to look all smart.

Yeah, we definitely have no clue what we're talking about. We just try to look smart by pasting pictures that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation whatsoever. Except for the fact that most people I know that commented here study at universities - physics, biology, computer science. We definitely don't know what the building blocks of humanity and the society are. They're sure as hell not based on ``Scientific theories''… oh wait.

From: ggzz
Not a single one of you athiests or non believers responded as to why you say "Oh God" when some shit happens to you..

I suppose you don't curse at all, do you? Cursing words is something you get used to (as you should obviously know unless you're really dumb) you hardly ever think about what it really means. I mean honestly - who even says Motherfucker and mean it? It just means you're trying to offend someone deeply - not that he's doing weird stuff with someone's mother.

E: I just like to say that girl actually looks quite attractive/pretty.

From: ggzz
As for all you God haters.. I bet ur girls or friends look like this:

Great ad hominem attack. Get out.

From: ggzz
Not a single one of you athiests or non believers responded as to why you say "Oh God" when some shit happens to you..

It's a common expression that no one considers based upon any deity. It's a bit nicer than saying "oh fuck" all the time, don't you think?

From: ggzz
@ Harry "Science CAN be proven. Just the particular theory isn't considered fully proven as of yet." Give me proof.. I guarantee you can't.. why? because your proof will be based off of someone else's theory that was developed before that proof.

And how does that make it a bad thing? That means science is forever progressing and correcting any errors it might find in its ideas. Science isn't afraid to admit when it's wrong, unlike some holy book that is constantly edited (and whos followers only cite certain sections that make them happy).

@ Wizzup? Your troll mode is a turn off. I like your use of logic and evidence far better then pure trollllling…. :/

From: Harry
Science isn't afraid to admit when it's wrong, unlike some holy book that is constantly edited (and whos followers only cite certain sections that make them happy).

I'm not even religious and i think thats BS^

This is the way I look at God: God existence is just like Money's existence; Without humans to think (believe) there is any value in it or to it, it would not exist. Imagine a human born without any knowledge to human or earth's history; Would a concept like "God" exist? I think not.

In the old times, all the people, groups of them without interacting with others, started believing in something, be it a tree or a god. Maybe they needed to believe in something.
How do you know animals don't believe in anything?

I don't really believe it myself.

From: footballjds
@ Wizzup? Your troll mode is a turn off. I like your use of logic and evidence far better then pure trollllling…. :/

Where do you see him trolling? He's just using some obvious sarcasm.

From: footballjds
I'm not even religious and i think thats BS^

Harry has a point… you have to admit that.

"Yeah, we definitely have no clue what we're talking about. We just try to look smart by pasting pictures that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation whatsoever. Except for the fact that most people I know that commented here study at universities - physics, biology, computer science. We definitely don't know what the building blocks of humanity and the society are. They're sure as hell not based on ``Scientific theories''… oh wait."


Never said you don't study in any universities.. saying stuff like "theories are based off facts" Is plain stupid.. If u disagree then I have no clue what to tell you. All facts are based off theories. There are no facts actually.. just interpretations. Tell me one thing that you know for sure is a fact and cannot be proven otherwise or was not based off a theory. Everything you know today was developed by someone else's theory.

"E: I just like to say that girl actually looks quite attractive/pretty." Guess you have no taste because she looks pretty damn shameful and ugly. I knew someone would like that though seeing as your pure atheist. As for me disagreeing with the pictures.. What gave it away? lol.


E: As for saying "Oh God".. no you say it without even realizing it.. Your tongue confesses just as the bible says.. Why don't you say oh crap.. or something if your so atheist. The word God shouldn't come out your mouth if you disbelief and strongly disagree that he exists. If it sounds pleasing to your ear.. I'm sure there are many other things that are pleasing to your ear that you can say other than "God" when your in trouble.. Saying "Oh God" when shit happens to you is the very definition of calling on him for help.. You only say otherwise just to discredit my point.

From: ggzz
"How do they have belly buttons.." Waw.. are u kidding me? The bible states that they are the spitting image of God.. It never stated that Adam and Eve were the first humans.. they were just the first in the Garden.. God said "For I have chosen you".. He did not say they are the only ones created.. Oh not to mention that some ARTIST painted that long after the bible..not during the time of the creation of the bible.. that's an artists depiction of what they feel adam and eve looks like..

Um, what? They were the first humans, did you not understand your Sunday school? *If* they were created after the spitting image of God, wouldn't they like, not exist at all?

From: ggzz
As for all you God haters.. I bet ur girls or friends look like this:


Tbh.. I prefer to look at jesus than piece of shit above.. you guys aren't even arguing anymore your just clearly bashing religion with ur shitty pictures..

And how is your post any different? To be fair, the God lovers are always the first one to throw the punches toward people don't agree with them. Also, about your picture. Where can I find her? I'd tap it. I like tattoos. As for the scar, you can clearly tell it's photoshopped.

From: ggzz
As for "Theories are based off facts." Buddy.. in what world do u live in where you know for sure that something is a fact and theories develop from that.. Cuz clearly you have no clue what the hell your talking about.. just bud out the conversation.. trying to look all smart.

In what world do you live in that says God is real, 100% factually? The Bible isn't a source in your answer. God is a theory, not a fact. Science start off as theories and develop into facts after testing and research. You can't test or research God.

From: ggzz
Not a single one of you athiests or non believers responded as to why you say "Oh God" when some shit happens to you..

Oh god, are you seriously using that as an argument? Wow.

From: ggzz
@ Harry "Science CAN be proven. Just the particular theory isn't considered fully proven as of yet." Give me proof.. I guarantee you can't.. why? because your proof will be based off of someone else's theory that was developed before that proof.

"The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists." Doesn't mean he doesn't exist either.. As far as I know, none of you exist and you can't prove to me that you do..

That's how theories work, they evolve as they form. When testing and research and brainstorming produce evidence that the theory doesn't work the way we thought, it is adjusted to include the new information.

God is a Schrödinger's cat, we will never know if he exists or not. As far as us not existing, we could show ourselves to you, in person and in flesh. However, God can't do that. There goes your argument.

From: ggzz
"Yeah, we definitely have no clue what we're talking about. We just try to look smart by pasting pictures that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation whatsoever. Except for the fact that most people I know that commented here study at universities - physics, biology, computer science. We definitely don't know what the building blocks of humanity and the society are. They're sure as hell not based on ``Scientific theories''… oh wait."


Never said you don't study in any universities.. saying stuff like "theories are based off facts" Is plain stupid.. If u disagree then I have no clue what to tell you. All facts are based off theories. There are no facts actually.. just interpretations. Tell me one thing that you know for sure is a fact and cannot be proven otherwise or was not based off a theory. Everything you know today was developed by someone else's theory.

"E: I just like to say that girl actually looks quite attractive/pretty." Guess you have no taste because she looks pretty damn shameful and ugly. I knew someone would like that though seeing as your pure atheist. As for me disagreeing with the pictures.. What gave it away? lol.

Use the quote tags/button, it's pretty annoying to read without.

I find it funny that only Pro-God people have been infracted. Obviously a raging mod atheist patrollin.
"BraK": I expect an answer to my PM.

From: Harry
Does the same not apply to you? His "mouthpiece" is researchers and scientists, while yours is citations from a book written by sheep shaggers over 2000 years ago.

None of you are scientists, my dad is both a scientist and a professor with 4 PhDs.
Yet you have the audacity to spout this garbage (research) without any knowledge. Many scientists are crooked and cook up research (such as seen with global warning - http://www.zerohedge.com/article/global-warming-exposed-un-funded-fraud), many are foolish, many are influenced by politics, and many are anti-religion.
The truth is, none of you are scientists and therefore you have no right to use "scientific evidence" against religion. Not to mention that science is always been proven, and disproven.
Also, the bible is only being edited to make it more accurate. Our knowledge of Latin was obviously not as good in the past as it is now, and the current translations (which only have slight word differentiations) are the most accurate up to date. They took over 20 years to translate and were translated by hundreds of translators.
Btw, that girl is gross. To you saying "I'd tap her", you are just making yourself look worse.

From: ggzz
Never said you don't study in any universities.. saying stuff like "theories are based off facts" Is plain stupid.. If u disagree then I have no clue what to tell you. All facts are based off theories. There are no facts actually.. just interpretations. Tell me one thing that you know for sure is a fact and cannot be proven otherwise or was not based off a theory. Everything you know today was developed by someone else's theory.

What you're not seeing is that a ``theory'' in science is typically true if there's reason enough to believe it to be true and there have been no facts to prove it wrong. ``The criterion of the scientific status of a theory is its falsifiability, or refutability, or testability. &#8212; Karl Popper''

Our formula's for gravity/mechanics are theories. Is the fact that every building doesn't collapse right now not enough proof for you? The same amount of overwhelming evidence is there for evolution, just a little bit more hidden to the misinformed.

My point: Stop putting something away as ``just a theory'' as that is a misinterpretation and misjudgement.

From: dixienormous
I find it funny that only Pro-God people have been infracted. Obviously a raging mod atheist patrollin.
"BraK": I expect an answer to my PM.

None of you are scientists, my dad is both a scientist and a professor with 4 PhDs.

Really? What's his name? Can you link me to some of his publications? He must have plenty with 4 PhD's.

From: dixienormous
Yet you have the audacity to spout this garbage (research) without any knowledge. Many scientists are crooked and cook up research (such as seen with global warning - http://www.zerohedge.com/article/global-warming-exposed-un-funded-fraud), many are foolish, many are influenced by politics, and many are anti-religion.
The truth is, none of you are scientists and therefore you have no right to use "scientific evidence" against religion. Not to mention that science is always been proven, and disproven.

I'm not sure how you define a ``scientist'', but I believe your definition is wrong. Even if we are you true ``scientists'' as you state - why would we not be allowed to bring in ``scientific evidence''? It's not like we made it up.

It seems that this turned into a debate whether you should believe in god or science. I think it needs to be cleared up that science is not focused on disproving god. It's purpose is to find out "why" and "how," I'm sure if there was any evidence of a god, someone would pick up on it, and then science would try to prove there is a god. Right now these two groups are being viewed as enemies. Right now, with our knowledge, we accept that we can neither prove nor disprove god, but keep in mind that science is impartial, it will take the choice that lends the most evidence. If there was evidence of a god, science would be on religion's side trying to prove he exists, don't view it as an enemy. The enemy here is not religion or science, this thread turned from a discussion into a bash-fest. Whats worse, believing in the wrong thing, or letting your belief make you do wrong? (as subtle as that wrong may be)

Oh god, are you seriously using that as an argumentr? Wow.

can you not find an answer? Just because you cannot think of an answer doesn't discredit me.. your loss.

In what world do you live in that says God is real, 100% factually? The Bible isn't a source in your answer. God is a theory, not a fact. Science start off as theories and develop into facts after testing and research. You can't test or research God.

In what world do you live int hat says science is facts.. Just because someone says 1+1 is two doesn't mean they're right.. They have to make assumptions.. Bet you didn't even know division by 0 IS possible.. Why? Because your math teacher told you it wasn't.

Um, what? They were the first humans, did you not understand your Sunday school? *If* they were created after the spitting image of God, wouldn't they like, not exist at all?

Read the bible again.. Your probably also one of those people that would tell me that adam ate the apple.. instead of a "Fruit"

And how is your post any different? To be fair, the God lovers are always the first one to throw the punches toward people don't agree with them. Also, about your picture. Where can I find her? I'd tap it. I like tattoos. As for the scar, you can clearly tell it's photoshopped.

Google is your friend.. My post any different? My post is in retaliation to theirs so before you open your mouth and say that God lovers are the first.. maybe you might want to scroll up again on the previous page and see who threw what.

God is a Schrödinger's cat, we will never know if he exists or not. As far as us not existing, we could show ourselves to you, in person and in flesh. However, God can't do that. There goes your argument.

Guess you never took philosophy to understand that you can NEVER prove yourself to me.. what did you not understand about that statement. You CANNOT prove that you exist.. Just because you cannot see something with your eyes does not mean it doesn't exist.. As far as I know.. shitty scientists say this dark matter exist.. yet you cannot see, nor feel it. Prove it.. Once you do, you get the right to disagree that God exists. Until then, you have no say in what exists and what doesn't. Get with the program bro.

From: Wizzup?

Really? What's his name? Can you link me to some of his publications? He must have plenty with 4 PhD's.

++1
lets see this…

From: ggzz
"How do they have belly buttons.." Waw.. are u kidding me? The bible states that they are the spitting image of God.. It never stated that Adam and Eve were the first humans.. they were just the first in the Garden.. God said "For I have chosen you".. He did not say they are the only ones created.. Oh not to mention that some ARTIST painted that long after the bible..not during the time of the creation of the bible.. that's an artists depiction of what they feel adam and eve looks like..

Wtf? Have you not read your book of Genesis..?

Edit:

From: dixienormous
None of you are scientists, my dad is both a scientist and a professor with 4 PhDs.

Uh..who?

From: Nietszche
It seems that this turned into a debate whether you should believe in god or science. I think it needs to be cleared up that science is not focused on disproving god. It's purpose is to find out "why" and "how," I'm sure if there was any evidence of a god, someone would pick up on it, and then science would try to prove there is a god. Right now these two groups are being viewed as enemies. Right now, with our knowledge, we accept that we can neither prove nor disprove god, but keep in mind that science is impartial, it will take the choice that lends the most evidence. If there was evidence of a god, science would be on religion's side trying to prove he exists, don't view it as an enemy. The enemy here is not religion or science, this thread turned from a discussion into a bash-fest. Whats worse, believing in the wrong thing, or letting your belief make you do wrong? (as subtle as that wrong may be)

Same with 99.9% of other similiar religion discussions, lol.

I personally think you made one of the best open-minded, well thought out posts in this thread.

Originally Posted by ggzz
"How do they have belly buttons.." Waw.. are u kidding me? The bible states that they are the spitting image of God.. It never stated that Adam and Eve were the first humans.. they were just the first in the Garden.. God said "For I have chosen you".. He did not say they are the only ones created.. Oh not to mention that some ARTIST painted that long after the bible..not during the time of the creation of the bible.. that's an artists depiction of what they feel adam and eve looks like..

From: Sex
Wtf? Have you not read your book of Genesis..?

Adam and Eve, according to the Bible were the first male and female human being to exist, period. ggzz, please quit talking nonsense especially when you don't know what on earth you're talking about.
I'll bet sex cares less about the topic and he still knows more… :duh::duh:

From: dixienormous
I find it funny that only Pro-God people have been infracted. Obviously a raging mod atheist patrollin.

I could prove you wrong, but I'm not a mod/admin, so I "have no right" to use such claims, by your logic.

From: dixienormous

None of you are scientists, my dad is both a scientist and a professor with 4 PhDs.
Yet you have the audacity to spout this garbage (research) without any knowledge. Many scientists are crooked and cook up research (such as seen with global warning - http://www.zerohedge.com/article/global-warming-exposed-un-funded-fraud), many are foolish, many are influenced by politics, and many are anti-religion.
The truth is, none of you are scientists and therefore you have no right to use "scientific evidence" against religion. Not to mention that science is always been proven, and disproven.

You are not a priest. You are not God. And therefore you have no right to use "religious evidence" against science.

See, your logic doesn't make much sense. If you're trying to say that because some people lie, that makes evidence in itself a fallacy by definition, then you have no right to be involved in any discussion apart from something that you could debate with a child of less than a dozen years of age. Your father may have gone through school to be a scientist, but if he actually did (and I quite doubt your father has four different doctorates alone, let alone him raising you to have faith in something as nonsensical as religion), I would not - and neither would many other scientists (since I have no right to say any of this, according to you) call his practice scientific.

Tarajunky, an admin on these forums, has gone through school for biology (not sure to what level, but he is a "doctor" as far as I know), yet he has faith in a god for non-evidence based reasons, and denies pieces of evidence science has to offer. For those reasons, I would not much call him a very scientifically important figure, and many other scientists would agree with me. Richard Dawkins, for example, has said he wouldn't call Francis Collins (the "head" of the HGP) a very bright man, as he believes most of the bible literally.

I would put your father and tarajunky in that group with Collins.

From: ggzz
"Yeah, we definitely have no clue what we're talking about. We just try to look smart by pasting pictures that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation whatsoever. Except for the fact that most people I know that commented here study at universities - physics, biology, computer science. We definitely don't know what the building blocks of humanity and the society are. They're sure as hell not based on ``Scientific theories''… oh wait."


Never said you don't study in any universities.. saying stuff like "theories are based off facts" Is plain stupid.. If u disagree then I have no clue what to tell you. All facts are based off theories. There are no facts actually.. just interpretations. Tell me one thing that you know for sure is a fact and cannot be proven otherwise or was not based off a theory. Everything you know today was developed by someone else's theory.

There is a theory of a God, but there is no fact of a God. So your "All facts are based off theories" argument is invalid. Theories are put to the test, and unless proven to be fact, remain a theory.

From: ggzz

"E: I just like to say that girl actually looks quite attractive/pretty." Guess you have no taste because she looks pretty damn shameful and ugly. I knew someone would like that though seeing as your pure atheist. As for me disagreeing with the pictures.. What gave it away? lol.

You do realize that the picture is photoshopped, right? The tattoos are probably real, and so is the makeup, but the scar is photoshopped.

From: ggzz

E: As for saying "Oh God".. no you say it without even realizing it.. Your tongue confesses just as the bible says.. Why don't you say oh crap.. or something if your so atheist. The word God shouldn't come out your mouth if you disbelief and strongly disagree that he exists. If it sounds pleasing to your ear.. I'm sure there are many other things that are pleasing to your ear that you can say other than "God" when your in trouble.. Saying "Oh God" when shit happens to you is the very definition of calling on him for help.. You only say otherwise just to discredit my point.

Because God is a more acceptable word than saying "Oh fuck", or "Oh shit". By saying "Oh God", that doesn't mean you're calling for his help. I've been repeating it, through out this thread. I'm using "Oh God" in a sarcastic way, not that you would understand.

From: ggzz
can you not find an argument? Just because you cannot think of an answer doesn't discredit me.. your loss.

Did you not read my post completely? And I brought it up because it's a stupid argument, no matter what.

From: ggzz
Read the bible again.. Your probably also one of those people that would tell me that adam ate the apple.. instead of a "Fruit"

Um, it was Eve who ate the forbidden fruit of the tree. Not Adam.

From: ggzz
Google is your friend.. My post any different? My post is in retaliation to theirs so before you open your mouth and say that God lovers are the first.. maybe you might want to scroll up again on the previous page and see who threw what.

What does Google have to do with this thread? Ha. Did you not even see the first page? Probably not because you're closed minded.

From: ggzz
Guess you never took philosophy to understand that you can NEVER prove yourself to me.. what did you not understand about that statement. You CANNOT prove that you exist.. Just because you cannot see something with your eyes does not mean it doesn't exist.. As far as I know.. shitty scientists say this dark matter exist.. yet you cannot see, nor feel it. Prove it.. Once you do, you get the right to disagree that God exists. Until then, you have no say in what exists and what doesn't. Get with the program bro.

Just because you can't imagine what science has accomplished, then that doesn't disprove it. Scientists have created dark matter in labs, so it yes, it does exists. You have NO idea what you're talking about, so why don't you "get with the program bro".

From: i luffs yeww
Tarajunky, an admin on these forums, has gone through school for biology (not sure to what level, but he is a "doctor" as far as I know), yet he has faith in a god for non-evidence based reasons, and denies pieces of evidence science has to offer. For those reasons, I would not much call him a very scientifically important figure, and many other scientists would agree with me. Richard Dawkins, for example, has said he wouldn't call Francis Collins (the "head" of the HGP) a very bright man, as he believes most of the bible literally.

I would put your father and tarajunky in that group with Collins.

Richard Dawkins is also immature at times.
"Science is interesting. If you don't agree, you can fuck off."

so idc what he thinks.

From: footballjds
Adam and Eve, according to the Bible were the first male and female human being to exist, period. ggzz, please quit talking nonsense especially when you don't know what on earth you're talking about.
I'll bet sex cares less about the topic and he still knows more… :duh::duh:

LOL? Ok lets break this down.. I guess I gotta break down the bible for those of you who do NOT have eyes to read..

On the sixth day he created Man.. Gf your argument bro. 7Th day he says that all is good and the earth is finished.

Genesis 1:26-28, 1:31 God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness he created the first man in his own image.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw everything that he made and behold it was very good. Meaning everything that he made at this time was very good he would not have been able to say it was good if he had not made man in his own image

Genesis 2:5, 2:7-8, 2:15 KJV He created Adam to till the ground and work the fields. He blew breath/life into the sand and Adam was born and taken into the Garden of Eden.


If you read your bible you'd have realized that Man was created on the Sixth day.. On the 7th, he rested and later on Adam and Eve were created.

From: footballjds
Richard Dawkins is also immature at times.
"Science is interesting. If you don't agree, you can fuck off."

so idc what he thinks.

How is that immature? And I'd rather someone act like Dawkins than some teenager put himself above him, as he's obviously quite smarter than said teenager 99.99…% of the time.

And you are not the exception.

From: Camo Developer
Long story.

Complete sarcasm right? Yet you don't even realize when you say Oh God.. nice try there bud. Pure lies.. Go back and read the edit in which I replied to wizup on the same statement of "Oh God" is more pleasing to your ears. Im not dumb enough to believe the scar on her arm is real.. What does google have to do with it? You asked where can you find it.. thus google was your answer.. L2Read. As for scientists creating dark matter.. Oh mighty one please show me this dark matter source. For you have told lies. If dark matter cannot be seen or touched AND light cannot penetrate it nor reflect off it, not can it be measured or weighed AND it is infinitely small.. How in the hell can you possible explain how it was created. You clearly "have no clue what you speak of".

LOL nice one bro.

From: ggzz
LOL? Ok lets break this down.. I guess I gotta break down the bible for those of you who do NOT have eyes to read..

On the sixth day he created Man.. Gf your argument bro. 7Th day he says that all is good and the earth is finished.

Genesis 1:26-28, 1:31 God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness he created the first man in his own image.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw everything that he made and behold it was very good. Meaning everything that he made at this time was very good he would not have been able to say it was good if he had not made man in his own image

Genesis 2:5, 2:7-8, 2:15 KJV He created Adam to till the ground and work the fields. He blew breath/life into the sand and Adam was born and taken into the Garden of Eden.


If you read your bible you'd have realized that Man was created on the Sixth day.. On the 7th, he rested and later on Adam and Eve were created.

if you're telling me that the bible's verses are written chronologically then the bible contradicts itself hundreds of times over. So I assumed you wouldn't be foolish enough to say that. Guess i was wrong xD
Adam names all the creatures. Still there is no suitable partner, god creates woman for the first time.

From: footballjds
if you're telling me that the bible's verses are written chronologically then the bible contradicts itself hundreds of times over. So I assumed you wouldn't be foolish enough to say that. Guess i was wrong xD
Adam names all the creatures. Still there is no suitable partner, god creates woman for the first time.

Actually you think I wasn't foolish enough to say that.. Well I didn't think you were smart enough to know that. I never said anything about women now did I?
As for chronological order, why else would there be days in which the earth was created in a specific order.. I indeed do believe it is in chronological order.. there are different sections/books in the bible.. Each book may possibly be in order but I'm not saying that Leviticus came before any other because I do not know that.

Yes I do believe that "God" exists.

By God I mean, that I believe that someone is watching my back.
And on hard times I have someone to talk to who will listen.


~Home

From: Home
Yes I do believe that "God" exists.

By God I mean, that I believe that someone is watching my back.
And on hard times I have someone to talk to who will listen.


~Home

Why? What reason do you have to believe in such a thing? Why believe in that with no scientific evidence?

From: ggzz
Complete sarcasm right? Yet you don't even realize when you say Oh God.. nice try there bud. Pure lies.. Go back and read the edit in which I replied to wizup on the same statement of "Oh God" is more pleasing to your ears. Im not dumb enough to believe the scar on her arm is real.. What does google have to do with it? You asked where can you find it.. thus google was your answer.. L2Read. As for scientists creating dark matter.. Oh mighty one please show me this dark matter source. For you have told lies. If dark matter cannot be seen or touched AND light cannot penetrate it nor reflect off it, not can it be measured or weighed AND it is infinitely small.. How in the hell can you possible explain how it was created. You clearly "have no clue what you speak of".

LOL nice one bro.

Maybe you should try formatting your responses, would make it much easier to understand.

I do realize it when I say it. I choose to say it over "fuck", or "shit", or "motherfucker". How can you say I don't realize it? It's a choice.

Well apparently you are, since according to you, "she's horrible". Why is she so horrible? Please explain.

I have told lies? Your posts contain nothing but lies.

Oh, I'm sorry, I misspoke. They found a dark matter, not created it, my bad.

Sources:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/aug/HQ_06297_CHANDRA_Dark_Matter.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39874873/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/has-dark-matter-finally-been-seen/#.TuklJ7KzHt4
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/10/dark-matter-milky-way/
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/genomic-dark-matter-1013.html

From: ggzz
As for chronological order, why else would there be days in which the earth was created in a specific order.. I indeed do believe it is in chronological order.. there are different sections/books in the bible.. Each book may possibly be in order but I'm not saying that Leviticus came before any other because I do not know that.

You believe that the verses are in chronological order. That is your opinion and interpretation. Everyone has their own too.

From: ggzz
Actually you think I wasn't foolish enough to say that.. Well I didn't think you were smart enough to know that. I never said anything about women now did I?
As for chronological order, why else would there be days in which the earth was created in a specific order.. I indeed do believe it is in chronological order.. there are different sections/books in the bible.. Each book may possibly be in order but I'm not saying that Leviticus came before any other because I do not know that.

I don't even need to point out the hundreds of contradictions the bible has if you assume it's written or even just individual books are written chronologically. I find this laughable that you could possible say this. :P
I'm done talking to you. It's like arguing with a 5 year old. I don't even know if you can comprehend what i'm saying…

From: footballjds
I'm done talking to you. It's like arguing with a 5 year old. I don't even know if you can comprehend what i'm saying…

Same reason for me, yesterday, only thing to add that it also feels to me like you are talking to someone with heads in sand.

I didnt take my time to read all of the comment's but im going to put my 2 cents out there. God im my opinion doesn't exist and if he did then this quote pretty much sums up what i would think of him.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

From: i luffs yeww
Why? What reason do you have to believe in such a thing? Why believe in that with no scientific evidence?

Because it is in human nature that, when you have extremely hard times you wan't to believe that there is someone who will help you and you will pray.

Secondly praying will help you actually think what is wrong.


And why I believe?

It's because sometimes believing is actually smarter than listening facts.

Believing is believing, some people don't believe in god some people do.
For some people it helps them, for some people.. I don't know.

These kind of things you can't argue.

Every people has an own opinion. What makes you an asshole is how you tell it to other people.


~Home

From: Home
Because it is in human nature that, when you have extremely hard times you wan't to believe that there is someone who will help you and you will pray.

Secondly praying will help you actually think what is wrong.


And why I believe?

It's because sometimes believing is actually smarter than listening facts.

Believing is believing, some people don't believe in god some people do.
For some people it helps them, for some people.. I don't know.

These kind of things you can't argue.

Every people has an own opinion. What makes you an asshole is how you tell it to other people.


~Home

I have no problem with people believing in what they do, only when they try to force it down someones throat and deny anything else. That's my issue.

Ohh and, trust me this conversation will never end. You can go back to those days when Jesus lived.

This discussion will go forever.

~Home

From: Wizzup?

Really? What's his name? Can you link me to some of his publications? He must have plenty with 4 PhD's.

You seriously think I would post his/my name on this forum? I'll put in (3/10) credentials:
Ph.D. Biometrics
M.Sc. Quantitative Analysis and Modeling
and he has ~20 publications (this is just publications, not submissions)
Good luck trying to find him, I deleted keywords.
So now, anyone want to show me some of your credentials besides:
Sat at some Communist Professor's lecture about something I didn't understand, but I thought I would go ahead and tell others.
None of the people arguing against God have actually read the Bible. They've read what their little atheist fan sites say. Basically this is what I've gotten from the thread:
You reject God because:
1. You're homosexual, bisexual, etc and are against God because you know the Bible says it is wrong to be any of those.
2. Superiority complex; you hate to think anybody is above you. These kinds of people are normally violent.
3. Lazy; don't feel like going to Church, Sunday school, and feel that it's much easier to not believe then to believe.
4. Raised badly; parents possibly didn't believe for some reason, etc.

And Camo, no one is trying to force it down your throat; we're defending our faith. I didn't tell you to go become a Catholic or a Muslim, or a Jew or anything like that.

From: Camo Developer
Maybe you should try formatting your responses, would make it much easier to understand.

I do realize it when I say it. I choose to say it over "fuck", or "shit", or "motherfucker". How can you say I don't realize it? It's a choice.

Well apparently you are, since according to you, "she's horrible". Why is she so horrible? Please explain.

I have told lies? Your posts contain nothing but lies.

Oh, I'm sorry, I misspoke. They found a dark matter, not created it, my bad.

Sources:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/aug/HQ_06297_CHANDRA_Dark_Matter.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39874873/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/has-dark-matter-finally-been-seen/#.TuklJ7KzHt4
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/10/dark-matter-milky-way/
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/genomic-dark-matter-1013.html




You believe that the verses are in chronological order. That is your opinion and interpretation. Everyone has their own too.

Oh wow buddy.. please point out my lies in that exact post you quoted.. You did tell lies bro.. talk shit that you don't know.. u just proved that you can't even read.. you linked to sources that proved me right.. That dark matter cannot be created.. As for viewing it.. thats a bunch of bullshit.

"Without dark matter, which is invisible and can only be detected through its gravity, the fast-moving galaxies and the hot gas would quickly fly apart." Thats a bunch of bullshit.. if you cannot detect it, cannot see it, cannot know if its there and assume it is because it explains most of your shit.. then I cannot believe you if you cannot believe God. Lemmie guess.. you think Nasa is God because they can bullshit you right? You think they can weight something they cannot touch or see from millions of lightyears away with a telescope. LOL. These guys are clearly looking for something to explain their bigbang which is still JUST A THEORY.. If the computers could not even detect it, but because a star or galaxy collided, it must exist? LOL..

As for you even responding, you must feel mad hurt that I put you down that many times. It's ok though.. you can bullshit the other guys on this dark matter and shit you don't know, but you won't bullshit me.

@ the guys who said I'm 5.. man I guess a 5 year old got to you. U turn down my answers because it disagrees with your own ideology.. You must be real mature.

@Spazi or whatever your name is.. Im too lazy to scroll up and check. But If I'm correct, I haven't even bashed you. If I remember, I turned down your talk on quantum tech because it is something which you could and everyone who responded, could not explain. Yes we may advance on that stuff.. but it's still just a theory.. It still has obstacles to overcome.

As for me disliking that girl I posted.. She's ugly. Thus why I posted the picture saying your girlfriends must look like that. I googled ugly goth and she came up.

From: dixienormous
Sat at some Communist Professor's lecture about something I didn't understand, but I thought I would go ahead and tell others.

I guess that's me :/.
He was not communist, I do not see the point you are making with that.

I understood it all he said, but I won't be able to solve the biggest problem currently unsolved(me subject) as you think I should be able.

Also, I won't be able to write it down as I heard it in my native language.
But you should know that better than anyone else here with a father like that.

And what's up with the superior thing? That's another horse you are trying to ride on? When did I implied that? As far as I remember I only said that I find certain posts stupid. Guess that makes people superior than, because you know that better too.

@ggzz: You want me to explain something new I just learned the basics about? I am not a teacher to do that. And the fact that I can't explain it doesn't mean none can.

From: dixienormous
You seriously think I would post his/my name on this forum? I'll put in (3/10) credentials:
Ph.D. Biometrics
M.Sc. Quantitative Analysis and Modeling
and he has ~20 publications (this is just publications, not submissions)
Good luck trying to find him, I deleted keywords.
So now, anyone want to show me some of your credentials besides:
Sat at some Communist Professor's lecture about something I didn't understand, but I thought I would go ahead and tell others.
None of the people arguing against God have actually read the Bible. They've read what their little atheist fan sites say. Basically this is what I've gotten from the thread:
You reject God because:
1. You're homosexual, bisexual, etc and are against God because you know the Bible says it is wrong to be any of those.
2. Superiority complex; you hate to think anybody is above you. These kinds of people are normally violent.
3. Lazy
4. Raised badly.

Without posting ANY evidence of your dad having PHD's, I reject you and your claim as complete bullshit.

What? Because we have different opinions that makes our Professors communists, and that we didn't understand? Wow, you're really just a horrible troll. You have no real information to discuss, at all, so you just spout nonsense.

I've read the Bible, plenty of times. It has wonderful stories in it, but that doesn't make it the answer to everything. I'm not an atheist, so you're wrong on that one, as always.

Wow, nice stereotyping. Only ONE person has admitted to being bisexual, and that was on a different thread. I'm hetero, since you're clueless. And even if I was a homosexual, or bi, or whatever. I wouldn't reject God just because of the Bible. I have a few friends who are gay that are stout Christians, what do you say about that?

I don't have a superiority complex, I just don't give in to people feeding me bullshit and lies, and preaching them as truth when there is no evidence. None of here are violent, we were having a peaceful discussion. I know there are people above me, they're called my supervisors and managers, I report to them at work. I have no issue with that. Again, your argument is down the drain.

Lazy? Oh, yeah, good one. I, for one, am self taught in programming. Worked my way up to a nice paying job through hard work, I didn't sit around and do nothing. I work hard every day, I work for what I want and have. I don't accept handouts, ever.

Raised badly? I was raised Christian, just so you know. I had very strict parents, and I'm glad. I was raised with respect, manners, and that intelligence and maturity will get you far in life. So far, it's paid off. However, I got tired of people trying to feed me bullshit, when I knew what they were preaching was false. So I've converted away from Christianity.

So, your posts are nothing but trolls. I'm done responding to you.

EDIT: ggzz, the above goes for you as well. I even said I misspoke, did you not read it? I guess not. Have fun with your idiotic beliefs.

From: dixienormous
You seriously think I would post his/my name on this forum? I'll put in (3/10) credentials:
Ph.D. Biometrics
M.Sc. Quantitative Analysis and Modeling
and he has ~20 publications (this is just publications, not submissions)
Good luck trying to find him, I deleted keywords.
So now, anyone want to show me some of your credentials besides:
Sat at some Communist Professor's lecture about something I didn't understand, but I thought I would go ahead and tell others.
None of the people arguing against God have actually read the Bible. They've read what their little atheist fan sites say. Basically this is what I've gotten from the thread:
You reject God because:
1. You're homosexual, bisexual, etc and are against God because you know the Bible says it is wrong to be any of those.
2. Superiority complex; you hate to think anybody is above you. These kinds of people are normally violent.
3. Lazy; don't feel like going to Church, Sunday school, and feel that it's much easier to not believe then to believe.
4. Raised badly; parents possibly didn't believe for some reason, etc.

And Camo, no one is trying to force it down your throat; we're defending our faith. I didn't tell you to go become a Catholic or a Muslim, or a Jew or anything like that.

I have no reason to believe you if you're not going to link me to his references. Seeing you keep spouting crap… Until proven otherwise you're a liar.

Also: Raised badly -> parents didn't believe for some reason? Don't make me laugh. Pathetic. The Bible tells you to respect everyone's beliefs. You're obviously not doing this. I could say the same for people who are religious -> raised badly because parents believed for some reason.

Not forcing it down anyone's throat but saying atheist parents are bad parents? You've got your logic straight sir.

Locked due to trolls.

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Why? What reason do you have to believe in such a thing? Why believe in that with no scientific evidence?

You can't prove the existence of God with science. He is a supernatural phenomena not bound by scientific laws. It would be illogical to prove him by science.

Also, why is everyone picking on the guy that doesn't know much? "Taking candy from a baby" analogy would fit pretty well here.

Trolls is an amazingly accurate term to used. I gave one a warning about Insulting others and he send me 2 PMs full of insults directed at me. Then proceeds to throw insults again on the same thread he recieved the infraction on. You good sir are a fast learner.

Sorry for posting in a closed thread.

As for privacy, googling ``dixienormous'' instantly brings me to your twitter and facebook. So much for anonymity?

I'm surprised to find everyone talking about God vs Science, and no one bothering to mention one's soul.

Isn't God supposed to save our souls? Can science prove we have souls? Do you believe you have a soul? Are you a scientist ?

if your answers were yes, no, yes, yes, didn't you just admit you believe in something you can't prove theoretically?

-RM