SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

I know I know, I create so much threads… But this is important, seeing that we @ SRL are very political.

So Herman Cain's out… I honestly have mixed feelings towards the guy.

RON PAUL is now in second place according to polls to win the Iowa Caucasus!

I honestly don't know if any of the current Republican hopefuls we have no can beat Obama…

The republican party this year is basically just a bunch of crooks or people with no social ability what so ever. (Ex: They freeze up when asked a question and say something stupid "We need to get rid of education"- Forgot who but I remember watching it on TV)

McCain would/should of become the president to begin with but sadly I think Obama will win another term.

I can say half heartily Obama has done a decent job even if he is democratic by eliminating Osama when he had the chance.

I think killing Osama is one of least important things he has been doing… It's not like it is his doing either. And McCain would be terrible…

The Republican party is just throwing out people who they want to beat Obama, they are in a mad race to win when the general consensus is realizing just how idiotic these candidates are. Now to say for Obama, he has been in a deadlock due to congress who have no ability to at least make meets. Congress has no idea how to decide anything…

Ok one more thing, and this is simply my point of view. Feel free to dispute or ignore. The republican party as a whole has gone sooo downhill its not even funny. Their attempts to undermine their competition are so disgraceful I do not see how they can keep afloat. Like their allegations Obama was born in Kenya, BS… That in my opinion is deep seeded racism. Now I know this isn't all repub.'s, just the ones the public seems to be aware of…

Alright, my 2 cents.

the simple reason people vote republican over democrats are on topics such as defence and business… (roughly)

killing osama gives obama the edge over any republican on security. None of the candidates stand out/are strong enough to beat obama

My personal belief is that if Ron Paul does not get nominated, no other republican stands a chance against Obama.

The elections are in like 11 months.

From: jakeyboy29
killing osama gives obama the edge over any republican on security. None of the candidates stand out/are strong enough to beat obama

You have to understand the unconstitutionality of Obama's antics. He used an executive order (basically a command that bypasses Congress) to order the strategic assassination of an American citizen (1).

You also have to understand how the media affects so much of our interpretation of American Politics. If you watch only the Fox network. You will probably have more conservative views, Msnbc - liberal. Moderate candidates - the ones the public will agree with most arn't covered by many media outlets because they're not extreme. Obama will be covered because he's the incumbent. Rick Perry will be covered because of the ourageous things he says. Bachman will be covered because shes a conservative woman.

People like Ron Paul will not be covered because he is outside the norm - he is a Rhino, a Liberal Republican. These are the types of people the public would more than likely agree with, if their policies were heard.

Also US Politics is horrible, degrading, and childish.

From: i luffs yeww
The elections are in like 11 months.

These 11 months will decide the next four years.

From: i luffs yeww
The elections are in like 11 months.

Presidential elections are in 11 months, but don't forget elections to choose which republican runs against Obama are near ;).

To be honest, I'm an Independant. I voted for Obama, and he hasn't been a bad President. He just inherited a horrible one after the years of Clinton and Bush. Depending on who gets the nomination (It will be Romney, sadly), depends on who I vote for.

In order to get a good, honest, un-corrupt, real person into the White House, we need to get money out of politics. Until that happens, everyone who's running is just a crook for the run.

Btw, I actually like Ron Paul, I agree with a lot of his views and positions. I'm also glad Cain is out, took him long enough.

From: Camo Developer
In order to get a good, honest, un-corrupt, real person into the White House, we need to get money out of politics. Until that happens, everyone who's running is just a crook for the run.

Like. Sadly Wall Street rules the house. :norris:

Obama has been an unmitigated disaster.

He killed Osama Bin Laden, but anyone would have done the same. He has broken every meaningful campaign promise to change the country that he made. He has deflected ALL blame to others when much of it is his to share, and has kept all the praise for himself even when others should have shared in it.

As one example, he is pulling all troops out of Iraq by the end of 2011, and he spent an entire speech talking about how he was fulfilling his campaign promise. The only problem is that he never mentioned or thanked Bush once, when it was Bush that set the groundwork for pulling out troops, and Bush even planned the withdrawal date of late 2011 before Obama took office. Obama didn't actually change anything, he just carried out the strategy Bush left him. It was a classless thing to ignore Bush's contribution to the Iraq withdrawal.

Obama made Afghanistan WORSE. He made the economy WORSE. He made race relations WORSE. He made unemployment WORSE. He made science WORSE.

We would have been better off with no President at all than with Obama actively harming the country. The country would have been better off on auto-pilot.

ANY Republican would be better than Obama. Rick Perry is a complete doofus, but I'd still support him over Obama. I think Romney is the strongest candidate, and I think it's very troubling how the entire media is incessantly bashing on him.

Back when Bush was in office, all the comedy routines were about Republicans. After Obama and the Dems took over complete power in Washington, all the comedy routines are still about Republicans. It's like the liberal media is too stupid to lampoon a liberal politician. They can't even imagine how to entertainingly mock one of the most ineffective Presidents in the last 30 years.

Whoever faces Obama, the news and other media will be solidly against them. So far, numerous Repubs have risen to the tops of the polls (Bachmann, Perry, Cain) only to succumb to the scrutiny. Romney has withstood the relentless attacks, and has been rock solid in his positions over the last 4 years.

Also, about Obama inheriting a bad situation from Bush, EVERY recent President has been in the same situation. Bush inherited a recession from Clinton. Clinton inherited a recession from HW Bush. Reagan inherited a recession from Jimmy Carter.

None of those other Presidents have mismanaged the economy like Obama has. The country was always much better off 4 years later. We have a stagnant economy that our current policies are only making worse, and it won't get better until Obama is thrown out of office.

From: tarajunky
Obama has been an unmitigated disaster.

He killed Osama Bin Laden, but anyone would have done the same. He has broken every meaningful campaign promise to change the country that he made. He has deflected ALL blame to others when much of it is his to share, and has kept all the praise for himself even when others should have shared in it.

As one example, he is pulling all troops out of Iraq by the end of 2011, and he spent an entire speech talking about how he was fulfilling his campaign promise. The only problem is that he never mentioned or thanked Bush once, when it was Bush that set the groundwork for pulling out troops, and Bush even planned the withdrawal date of late 2011 before Obama took office. Obama didn't actually change anything, he just carried out the strategy Bush left him. It was a classless thing to ignore Bush's contribution to the Iraq withdrawal.

Obama made Afghanistan WORSE. He made the economy WORSE. He made race relations WORSE. He made unemployment WORSE. He made science WORSE.

We would have been better off with no President at all than with Obama actively harming the country. The country would have been better off on auto-pilot.

ANY Republican would be better than Obama. Rick Perry is a complete doofus, but I'd still support him over Obama. I think Romney is the strongest candidate, and I think it's very troubling how the entire media is incessantly bashing on him.

Back when Bush was in office, all the comedy routines were about Republicans. After Obama and the Dems took over complete power in Washington, all the comedy routines are still about Republicans. It's like the liberal media is too stupid to lampoon a liberal politician. They can't even imagine how to entertainingly mock one of the most ineffective Presidents in the last 30 years.

Whoever faces Obama, the news and other media will be solidly against them. So far, numerous Repubs have risen to the tops of the polls (Bachmann, Perry, Cain) only to succumb to the scrutiny. Romney has withstood the relentless attacks, and has been rock solid in his positions over the last 4 years.

Also, about Obama inheriting a bad situation from Bush, EVERY recent President has been in the same situation. Bush inherited a recession from Clinton. Clinton inherited a recession from HW Bush. Reagan inherited a recession from Jimmy Carter.

None of those other Presidents have mismanaged the economy like Obama has. The country was always much better off 4 years later. We have a stagnant economy that our current policies are only making worse, and it won't get better until Obama is thrown out of office.

lol, you're like a fox news report. <:

I dislike all of the republican presidential candidates. Some of them should be in prison, really (Newt Gingrich is one off the top of my head).

I think Donald Trump and Sarah Palin got this one

If trump ran I would feel good about voting.. I don't think we'll have anyone run who isn't an idiot till the government shapes up

@Tara Hence why I believe the only person with a legitimate chance to beat Obama is Ron Paul.

-I, for one, hate how elections are strongly influenced by the media.

-I think Obama is not good for the country.

-I think Gingrich will win the primary.

-I think Gingrich will win the election.

-I think Herman Cain is a good guy, and he did not have an affair with any of the accusing women.

-Donald Trump abused bankruptcy laws for his wealth, and seems narcissistic to me. He is dishonest, and I do not want a lying man in office.

-I would like to see credible sources for even 10% of the dirt the media comes up with for the Republican candidates.

-The birth certificate was a reasonable demand and refusing to release it for so long was a dumb move on Obama's part. If you run for the single most powerful office in the nation, be prepared to uncover everything about yourself.

-All Obama did in terms of the Osama thing was sign a paper that said (non-verbatim) "We [the fucking armed forces] have information that may lead us to Osama bin Ladin. Please authorize this shit so we can go kill/capture him." For Obama to take credit for that and not give Bush any credit is extremely disgraceful.

-Come at me bro.

From: i luffs yeww
lol, you're like a fox news report. <:

I dislike all of the republican presidential candidates. Some of them should be in prison, really (Newt Gingrich is one off the top of my head).

Haha, yeah, I agree with both your points.

From: kingarabian
@Tara Hence why I believe the only person with a legitimate chance to beat Obama is Ron Paul.

If he were to ever win a primary, I'd vote for him.

From: tdug
-I, for one, hate how elections are strongly influenced by the media.

-I think Obama is not good for the country.

-I think Gingrich will win the primary.

-I think Gingrich will win the election.

-I think Herman Cain is a good guy, and he did not have an affair with any of the accusing women.

-Donald Trump abused bankruptcy laws for his wealth, and seems narcissistic to me. He is dishonest, and I do not want a lying man in office.

-I would like to see credible sources for even 10% of the dirt the media comes up with for the Republican candidates.

-The birth certificate was a reasonable demand and refusing to release it for so long was a dumb move on Obama's part. If you run for the single most powerful office in the nation, be prepared to uncover everything about yourself.

-All Obama did in terms of the Osama thing was sign a paper that said (non-verbatim) "We [the fucking armed forces] have information that may lead us to Osama bin Ladin. Please authorize this shit so we can go kill/capture him." For Obama to take credit for that and not give Bush any credit is extremely disgraceful.

-Come at me bro.

- I, for one, hate how elections are always and strongly influenced by money.

- I think no President is good for the country while money is the sole factor in who get's elected.

- I don't think Newt will get the primary, that spot is for Romney.

- Newt won't win the election, he is a crook.

- Cain doesn't have a clue about running a country, he should of never ran, period.

- I'd like to see 100% credible sources that media says about ANY candidate. (Especially Fox News).

- The birth certificate was a stupid, and wasn't needed. Just showed how many idiotic people we have in this country. If he wasn't an American, he couldn't have ran for President, nor be a State Senator. Face it, he won.

- Why didn't Bush take him out then? Not saying Bush helped, but he would of taken him out if he could.

- Just did.

From: Camo Developer
Haha, yeah, I agree with both your points.




If he were to ever win a primary, I'd vote for him.




- I, for one, hate how elections are always and strongly influenced by money.

- I think no President is good for the country while money is the sole factor in who get's elected.

- I don't think Newt will get the primary, that spot is for Romney.

- Newt won't win the election, he is a crook.

- Cain doesn't have a clue about running a country, he should of never ran, period.

- I'd like to see 100% credible sources that media says about ANY candidate. (Especially Fox News).

- The birth certificate was a stupid, and wasn't needed. Just showed how many idiotic people we have in this country. If he wasn't an American, he couldn't have ran for President, nor be a State Senator. Face it, he won.

- Why didn't Bush take him out then? Not saying Bush helped, but he would of taken him out if he could.

- Just did.

-How is Newt a crook? Provide a credible source for this information. Do not just state something you think is true about him.

-I did not say that Cain was an incredible candidate. I just stated I think he is honest.

-Bush would have taken Osama out if the intelligence agencies contacted him saying they had the information necessary. But that did not happen until Obama was in office.

-I agree that public offices should not have the salaries that they do, nor the publicity.

EDIT: Yes, I would also vote for Ron Paul if he stood a fighting chance. Fuck party politics.

Lol @ people thinking Ron Paul is a viable candidate. The man is a crackpot with a few good ideas and that is it. ACTUALLY research his position on issues and I doubt you would support him.

From: tdug
-How is Newt a crook? Provide a credible source for this information. Do not just state something you think is true about him.

-I did not say that Cain was an incredible candidate. I just stated I think he is honest.

-Bush would have taken Osama out if the intelligence agencies contacted him saying they had the information necessary. But that did not happen until Obama was in office.

-I agree that public offices should not have the salaries that they do, nor the publicity.

- Here:
1) http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19961224&slug=2366655

2) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/newts-women-newt-gingrich_n_860341.html#s277211&title=19621980

3) http://www.mademan.com/mm/newt-gingrich-scandal.html

3) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-16/gingrich-said-to-be-paid-at-least-1-6-million-by-freddie-mac.html

4) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/newt-gingrich-tiffanys-co_n_881879.html


- I don't trust him, can never trust politicians.

- Why do you say that? "Provide a credible source for this information. Do not just state something you think is true."

- I'm not talking about the salaries. I'm talking about how who ever has the most money, get's what they want.

EDIT: Bebe, I'd vote for him over any of the other republicans running. Doesn't mean I agree with everything, but I do agree with a lot of his points.

I would vote for him out of all of the republicans running also but only because the republican lineup of candidates for this election season is such a joke.

From: Bebe
I would vote for him out of all of the republicans running also but only because the republican lineup of candidates for this election season is such a joke.

^ This. When the elections boil down to the final two, candidate vs President. It's really "the lesser of the two evils".

2) http://www.factcheck.org/2011/12/the-gingrich-divorce-myth/

3(the second 3)) Site is riddled with ads. I don't like this. Ghostery popped up with over 20 items. Also, it fails to incriminate him for anything other than doing business with corrupt company. However, based on what it says, I find his business to be legitimate, as corrupt as the companies are.

I will come back tomorrow for the rest of those points. It's 3 in the morning and I need sleep because I am sick.

I asked for sources because people have spouted shit at me all the time since I am conservative. I appreciate you taking the time to engage in legitimate debate.

I was referring to your point about Bush setting up the intelligence that allowed Obama to kill Osama. Should of made it more clear, sorry.

Hope you feel better man. Get some rest.

Also, you too. Yelling and screaming and calling names does nothing for a debate.

From: Bebe
Lol @ people thinking Ron Paul is a viable candidate. The man is a crackpot with a few good ideas and that is it. ACTUALLY research his position on issues and I doubt you would support him.

His points actually make sense.

- Why do we have to give so much countries our money when we have our own economical problems?
- Why should we dictate what other countries do?
- Why is our dollar printed freely like paper? With no precious metal backing it up e.g gold/silver? Do you know what happens to a countries currency if it stumbles due to economic hardships and it's currency has nothing to back it up? It's currency becomes worthless. Imagine having 100 dollars in your pocket but you can't buy a loaf of bread.
- The patriotic act. Imagine If I, came over to you Bebe, out of nowhere and pulled you aside and started questioning you because you looked like a Latino? Clearly violates our constitutional rights, no?
- A war on Iran, do we REALLY need to go to war right now? Why should we even consider attacking Iran when we barely have any evidence linking them to nuclear weapons? (An IRAQ part 2)

He promises to cut 1.2 trillion$ of our debt if he was to become a president.
I could post some more but I have to continue writing a paper. and I'll edit it later but:
Unlike other candidates, he has a track record of staying true to his word.

Here is a Ron Paul ad targeting Newt

Seriously if Ron Paul isn't nominated, Obama will win. Personally I think Obama is > than any other Republican running for president excluding Ron.

I think Obama is going for 4 more years cause all of the Republicans suck.

Ron Paul nah
Romeny better than ron but nah
Everyone else nah..

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/12/newt-gingrichs-moment

When Newt wins, I hope the Democrats play on the fact he had to repay $300,000 in fines for being corrupt

I didn't know who the candidates were till I read some of this thread =P

Nominating Gingrich would be the best gift that Republicans could ever give the Democrats. He had to resign from his position as Speaker of the House in disgrace, after paying a $300k fine for breaking ethics rules. In earlier debates he said that anyone who took money from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac should be jailed. It has since come out that Gingrich's lobbying firm took over $1.6 million from Freddie Mac in the past few years.

Ron Paul is consistent and is willing to stand up for principles of freedom even when it puts him into awkward political discussions. But his flavor of freedom is fundamentally incompatible with our current system of government.

He has called for allowing states to legalize all drugs, including meth and heroin. That's fine in Ron Paul's fantasy world, where people are given personal freedom and must then accept personal responsibility, but that's not the world we live in. In our world, a state would legalize Heroin then the federal government would be handing out disability checks and free health care to all the addicts. It just doesn't work.

To get anywhere near Ron Paul's goal, the first step is to roll back the system of government dependency we have now. Obama is planning to campaign in exactly the opposite direction, with bigger government, more dependency, and less personal freedom and responsibility. So, that puts Ron Paul supporters into a bind. If Ron Paul gets nominated then gets beaten by Obama in a general election, the country will actually lurch much farther AWAY from Ron Paul's principles than if another Republican had beaten Obama.

I think Repubs need to rally around the stronger candidate for the general election. Someone who can start to roll back much of the harm that Obama has done. That paves the way for Ron or Rand Paul to run in the future and actually have a chance to achieve what they have in mind.

Also, following up on my last post, Obama just held a 40 minute speech and press conference on the Iraq withdrawal yesterday. He thanked American soldiers, recognized American casualties, thanked Iraqi soldiers and their casualties, he even thanked the Iraqi people for their "resolve", and gave a "special shout out to" his pal Joe Biden for his work there.

But once again he completely left out Bush, who made withdrawal possible and even put the timeline for withdrawal in place before leaving office. Obama truly is a selfish egotistical creep, which he proves time and time again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRV_tKlN_xc

@Tara Well said although in my current position I am unable to comment on the current system I believe what you said to be true.

Our current course is indeed death by government dependency. With the Dependency the Intelligence level of the average American has actually gone down by quite a bit. Well that's my current views of the system.

I've been outside of continental US for 5 years going more towards 8 in the future. It difficult looking back at the US and seeing what it has become. The freedom that have been fought and died for being stepped upon everyday.

I think Newt Gingrich would destroy Obama in a debate, he really knows his stuff. Unfortunately Ron Paul is no longer a "Republican," otherwise he seems to be the only one I consider sincere. If he isn't sincere, he's a damn good actor.

@Brak, I agree, if you look at this link, it gives an interpretation of a bill that passed congress that would pretty much let the government be able to censor people through imprisonment/torture/death. http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/s1867-bad-vs-good-senators/

From: tarajunky
Nominating Gingrich would be the best gift that Republicans could ever give the Democrats. He had to resign from his position as Speaker of the House in disgrace, after paying a $300k fine for breaking ethics rules. In earlier debates he said that anyone who took money from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac should be jailed. It has since come out that Gingrich's lobbying firm took over $1.6 million from Freddie Mac in the past few years.

Ron Paul is consistent and is willing to stand up for principles of freedom even when it puts him into awkward political discussions. But his flavor of freedom is fundamentally incompatible with our current system of government.

He has called for allowing states to legalize all drugs, including meth and heroin. That's fine in Ron Paul's fantasy world, where people are given personal freedom and must then accept personal responsibility, but that's not the world we live in. In our world, a state would legalize Heroin then the federal government would be handing out disability checks and free health care to all the addicts. It just doesn't work.

To get anywhere near Ron Paul's goal, the first step is to roll back the system of government dependency we have now. Obama is planning to campaign in exactly the opposite direction, with bigger government, more dependency, and less personal freedom and responsibility. So, that puts Ron Paul supporters into a bind. If Ron Paul gets nominated then gets beaten by Obama in a general election, the country will actually lurch much farther AWAY from Ron Paul's principles than if another Republican had beaten Obama.

I think Repubs need to rally around the stronger candidate for the general election. Someone who can start to roll back much of the harm that Obama has done. That paves the way for Ron or Rand Paul to run in the future and actually have a chance to achieve what they have in mind.

Also, following up on my last post, Obama just held a 40 minute speech and press conference on the Iraq withdrawal yesterday. He thanked American soldiers, recognized American casualties, thanked Iraqi soldiers and their casualties, he even thanked the Iraqi people for their "resolve", and gave a "special shout out to" his pal Joe Biden for his work there.

But once again he completely left out Bush, who made withdrawal possible and even put the timeline for withdrawal in place before leaving office. Obama truly is a selfish egotistical creep, which he proves time and time again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRV_tKlN_xc

people who support ron paul are deluded the the fact he is a very average candidate in a very less than average talent pool. The latest polls show that he is too far behind to ever beat Gingrich.

Gingrich 31%
Romney 15%
Paul 11%
Perry 9%
Santorum 7%
Huntsman 6%
Bachmann 6%
Johnson 2%
Other 5%

then

Head to head:

Obama 46%
Gingrich 44%

If you look at the power of incumbency then you'll easily see that John Kerry was a much stronger candidate and a lot more popular than Bush, but still managed to lose.

Do I even need to mention the factors such as money, or best best campaign organisation that the world has ever seen in 2008?