SRL Archive - The Bashing Club / BBQ Pit

1. Simba is not a bot. Simba is not a client. Simba is a program. It's a program designed to automate tasks on your computer, be it ruenscape or neopets or whatever you'd like to do (It could even write you a book!)
2. MSI (Or any other script you download from here) is not a bot. MSI is not a client. MSI is a script. Written for the program Simba.
3. SMART is not a bot. SMART is not a client. SMART is an applet designed to load runescape in a window that can be utilized by Simba (Or any other program that supports it) and SMART can be minimized.

There are no bots on this website. There are no clients on this website. You don't have to pay anything to bot on runescape using this program, everything is free here, even the scripts. We (The people scripting AKA programming in Simba) do this on our SPARE TIME. Don't expect us to be there for you all the time; USE THE SEARCH BUTTON, and USE YOUR BRAIN.

I'm so tired of people posting "This bot doesn't work", and stuff like that.
I'm basically writing down my thoughts here, and (hopefully) someone will read it and learn some basic stuff about villavu. (villavu is, in case you didn't notice, this forum. It's also known as the SRL Forum)


E1: The title "SRL Member" is a honorable title. Being awarded with such a title (after applying) means that one has been deemed good enough by other the other SRL Members (plus the higher ranks as-well) to be considered one of the good scripters on this forum. If you're applying without a script, you're basically wasting time.

E2: Remember, this community is about programming and learning. Compared to communities like PB (PowerBot), the most outstanding difference is that their community is (solely) focused on botting and creating bots for runescape, where this community is more like "Learning through programming for a game you (used to) play, to learn and to develop your skills, be it the English language, math, logic or programming in general. I have no idea how much this forum has helped me develop to be the one I am today.
I know for a fact that this forum has indeed helped me to mature a lot, and find out what I like to do, and what I'd like to do later in life.

E3:

From: Markus
Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

Also look, I put some things apart here

Needs to be sent as a required-to-read thread before posting anywhere :p

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=848028#post848028

For sure.

From: Zyt3x
1. Simba is not a bot. Simba is not a client. Simba is a program. It's a program designed to automate tasks on your computer, be it ruenscape or neopets or whatever you'd like to do (It could even write you a book!)
2. MSI (Or any other script you download from here) is not a bot. MSI is not a client. MSI is a script. Written for the program Simba.
3. SMART is not a bot. SMART is not a client. SMART is an applet designed to load runescape in a window that can be utilized by Simba (Or any other program that supports it) and SMART can be minimized.

There are no bots on this website. There are no clients on this website. You don't have to pay anything to bot on runescape using this program, everything is free here, even the scripts. We (The people scripting AKA programming in Simba) do this on our SPARE TIME. Don't expect us to be there for you all the time; USE THE SEARCH BUTTON, and USE YOUR BRAIN.

I'm so tired of people posting "This bot doesn't work", and stuff like that.
I'm basically writing down my thoughts here, and (hopefully) someone will read it and learn some basic stuff about villavu. (villavu is, in case you didn't notice, this forum. It's also known as the SRL Forum)

I say this at the risked of being burned at the stake before even having had time to get to know you all…

Zyt3x: Yes, I have read your post and I suspect that I may not have learned what you hoped I would. But I have to challenge you on this. Why are you so defensive on this matter ? As you illustrated, Simba scripts could be used to write a book - but they aren't - are they ? We are writing scripts for Simba to automate our character. DOes that sound better ? Why are you so offended when people called Simba / SRL / SPS / SMART / MSI a bot. Are we not kidding ourselves here ?

Please correct me if I have missed something here. All I have seen so far on the villavu forum is directed towards RS and scripts to automate your character - aka bot - yes ? What other scripts are their on villavu and what else do they do - besides being used for Runescape. Perhaps I have missed your point Zyt3x - and please - help me if I have.

Please let me know what other tasks do people use Simba for. And they may well do - but I do not see that on this site.

I do not mean or intend to offend here. But would it not be fair to say that perhaps other sites do indeed use Simba for other tasks - but the only task I see Simba being used for here is Runescape.

Is this because Jagex has taken such an aggressive stance against owners and sites that host tweaked clients or bots (for sale or otherwise) - and that this is the real fear here.

Please enlighten me. Thanks!

SRL attempts to be not just a community based around Runescape cheating, but a community for learning how to program.
While all you mostly see are Runescape related posts, this is not our goal. Our goal is to learn.

From: NickMystre

Please correct me if I have missed something here. All I have seen so far on the villavu forum is directed towards RS and scripts to automate your character - aka bot - yes ? What other scripts are their on villavu and what else do they do - besides being used for Runescape. Perhaps I have missed your point Zyt3x - and please - help me if I have.

@Nick

I've used simba to create diablo 2 bots (some easy following ones that attack) I've also used it to do my homework

simba is a great tool


@flight, the last post in that thread brings tears to my eyes!

There have been created games in Simba. There have been made 3D engines in Simba. There have been made encryption and decryption functions in Simba. Basically; Anything you do on the computer, Simba can do on the computer + more.

What people don't understand is that there is a difference between "to bot" (verb) and "a bot" (substantive). "To bot" can be done with even a simple auto-clicker.

From: RISK
SRL attempts to be not just a community based around Runescape cheating, but a community for learning how to program.
While all you mostly see are Runescape related posts, this is not our goal. Our goal is to learn.

Hi Risk

You know - perhaps I gave away more of myself than I realised. My time with RSB and PB wasn't soley about botting - I did really enjoy the programming side of things too. I just find myself so far behind on that front though that perhaps it was really the botting for me first - and then the learning to program second.

But I enjoy the learning and am grateful for all those that have taken time to write tutorials - without which I would be hopelessly lost.

Hopefully I haven't set the cat among the pigeons too much and will still be able to exchange posts and chat with folk.

Thanks!

You will not be "Hated" for having an opinion, don't worry so much. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

From: NickMystre
Hi Risk

You know - perhaps I gave away more of myself than I realised. My time with RSB and PB wasn't soley about botting - I did really enjoy the programming side of things too. I just find myself so far behind on that front though that perhaps it was really the botting for me first - and then the learning to program second.

But I enjoy the learning and am grateful for all those that have taken time to write tutorials - without which I would be hopelessly lost.

Hopefully I haven't set the cat among the pigeons too much and will still be able to exchange posts and chat with folk.

Thanks!

From: grats
@Nick

I've used simba to create diablo 2 bots (some easy following ones that attack) I've also used it to do my homework

simba is a great tool


@flight, the last post in that thread brings tears to my eyes!

Hi grats

Perhaps I should have given more time to just soaking up the forums vibe and engaging with Zyt3x and other folk on all types of programming before responding to this rant. And if I have offended - then I will be the first to acknowledge it. Zyt3x has obviously been a valued contributor to this forum for a long time - so in retrospect it was perhaps premature to go off like that.

Still - if you can see past my foibles - I may still have a place here.

Thx!

@Nick Adding to the list of scripts made.

• Test taker for the US army online testing.
• Neopets Scripts
• Plants vs zombie scripts.
• Diablo scripts.
• Diablo 2 scripts.
• Fate scripts.
• Also some fast database writing stuff for work using forms to input data.

Just my short list of various things I've made script for that aren't RS…

From: NickMystre
Hi grats

Perhaps I should have given more time to just soaking up the forums vibe and engaging with Zyt3x and other folk on all types of programming before responding to this rant. And if I have offended - then I will be the first to acknowledge it. Zyt3x has obviously been a valued contributor to this forum for a long time - so in retrospect it was perhaps premature to go off like that.

Still - if you can see past my foibles - I may still have a place here.

Thx!

This is the bashing club so you don't have to worry about that, but I don't think you fit the category of people zyt3x is mad at

majority of the people here came to just bot and leech, even some mods have said they were originally leechers and then started scripting and went up in ranks, you can ask as many scripting questions you want in the help section they will get answered and you can find plenty of people to help you learn to do basic and advanced things…

From: Zyt3x
What people don't understand is that there is a difference between "to bot" (verb) and "a bot" (substantive). "To bot" can be done with even a simple auto-clicker.

I think you have captured it well here, Zyt3x. And I can understand that if the world of programming is what gets u up in the morning - then I can fully understand why it is that you feel so strongly.

I am sure that with time - although I do not think you have nearly enough to make me the script writer I would like to be - that I will come along just nicely as a script writer and help the learning process move forward. ;) (ie I will enjoy the journey much more than the destination)

Thx!

From: grats
even some mods have said they were originally leechers and then started scripting and went up in ranks

^this was me almost 5 years ago

From: BraK
@Nick Adding to the list of scripts made.

• Test taker for the US army online testing.
• Neopets Scripts
• Plants vs zombie scripts.
• Diablo scripts.
• Diablo 2 scripts.
• Fate scripts.
• Also some fast database writing stuff for work using forms to input data.

Just my short list of various things I've made script for that aren't RS…

My ignorance is clearly showing then. I need to look outside of my RS box and play around with Simba a whole lot more …

I suppose that anything that is colour base can be engaged.

Thx! :duh:

From: NickMystre
Yes, I have read your post and I suspect that I may not have learned what you hoped I would. But I have to challenge you on this. Why are you so defensive on this matter ? As you illustrated, Simba scripts could be used to write a book - but they aren't - are they ? We are writing scripts for Simba to automate our character. DOes that sound better ? Why are you so offended when people called Simba / SRL / SPS / SMART / MSI a bot. Are we not kidding ourselves here ?

Please correct me if I have missed something here. All I have seen so far on the villavu forum is directed towards RS and scripts to automate your character - aka bot - yes ? What other scripts are their on villavu and what else do they do - besides being used for Runescape. Perhaps I have missed your point Zyt3x - and please - help me if I have.

bot /bät/
Noun:
1) The larva of the botfly, which is an internal parasite of animals.
2) (chiefly in science fiction) A robot.

None of the above things confine to this term. Simba is not a robot. Simba is a computer program that accepts scripted sequences of commands and executes them. Our scripts are not robots, they are a sequence of commands that our users have taken thousands of hours of their time to write, test, and perfect to the best of their ability.

A macro [..] is a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input sequence [..] should be mapped to an output sequence [..] according to a defined procedure.

A macro is still a broad term, but it is much more accurate.

You could call Simba/Simba scripts "bots", however you would be factually inaccurate and it's a dumb term. Calling Simba a bot is like a grandmother calling your computer a radio. It can do stuff similar to a radio, but is it a radio?

Do you see the point here, or do I need to explain it better? I'm not at all flaming you, but trying to make you understand that calling Simba-related stuff a bot is very improper.

From: BraK
^this was me almost 5 years ago

yea, honestly (especially us 5+ years ago as little kids) no one looks for a community just to become a scripter, especially for free.. after you see the nice place exchanging abilities is a good way to keep it all balanced

From: NickMystre
My ignorance is clearly showing then. I need to look outside of my RS box and play around with Simba a whole lot more …

I suppose that anything that is colour base can be engaged.

Thx! :duh:

http://www.youtube.com/user/YoHoJoSRL#p/u/1/pMMejhyjGwI

I made a few cool scripts that had nothing to do with Runescape. I made a bunch of scripts (and an include) for QueVille. Just recently I made a script that would play 'Imagine' (John Lennon) on an online virtual piano simply using keystrokes. I almost made ghost keys so it could be minimized lol.

The point is Simba is a tool to do anything on a computer a normal human normally would. It's no way limited to Runescape, but because the majority of us use it for this purpose obviously you'll find more on that topic. ;)

From: NickMystre

I think you have captured it well here, Zyt3x. And I can understand that if the world of programming is what gets u up in the morning - then I can fully understand why it is that you feel so strongly.

I am sure that with time - although I do not think you have nearly enough to make me the script writer I would like to be - that I will come along just nicely as a script writer and help the learning process move forward. (ie I will enjoy the journey much more than the destination)

Thx!

Have some rep! :)

From: Harry
Do you see the point here, or do I need to explain it better? I'm not at all flaming you, but trying to make you understand that calling Simba-related stuff a bot is very improper.

I am wondering if the answer isn't perhaps in how you use the Simba scripts.

If your only motivation is to automate your RS character and for there to be absolutely no learning in why the script does what it does, or how to write one yourself, then a bot or botting would in my view not be an unreasonable use of the word(s).

On the other hand, if there is a substantial learning component that takes precedence over the act of autoing / botting itself - then here script is a more correct name.

Thx!

From: Flight
Have some rep! :)

I'm not going to pretend I know what this means - help me out here please, Flight!

Thx!

From: NickMystre
I'm not going to pretend I know what this means - help me out here please, Flight!

Thx!

See the little blue check mark and red X in the top right of every post? The check mark is to give (or remove) reputation (rep), and the X is to report a post (if it's spam, if it's in the wrong section (reporting can help a mod/admin move the forum to the correct spot, it won't get anyone in trouble if used correctly ;)), violent, etc. etc.).

And if you look underneath user names on the left, you'll see either a number of green squares or a single grey square (or in some cases red squares, which are bad). A single grey square just means their rep is disabled from public view (not because they did anything wrong, they just chose to have it that way). The more green squares you have, the more rep you have.

It doesn't mean anything except that people give you reputation. It can be for a good post, a good quote, helpful information, a good script, or just because it made you laugh, really. As long as you don't abuse it, use it where you see necessary.

Hope that helps. :)

EDIT:

Forgot to mention, an easy way to check your rep is to click on the "User CP" link in the very top left of the forums. Just under the logo (which changes, on purpose).

From: i luffs yeww


… Hope that helps. :)

EDIT:

Forgot to mention, an easy way to check your rep is to click on the "User CP" link in the very top left of the forums. Just under the logo (which changes, on purpose).

Yes, that helps - thanks!

What is this number that appears within the QUOTE tag at the top of the page ?

QUOTE=i luffs yeww;851237

Ciao! :thumbsup:

It is the post number.

From: NickMystre
Yes, that helps - thanks!

What is this number that appears within the QUOTE tag at the top of the page ?



Ciao! :thumbsup:

From: NickMystre
I am wondering if the answer isn't perhaps in how you use the Simba scripts.

If your only motivation is to automate your RS character and for there to be absolutely no learning in why the script does what it does, or how to write one yourself, then a bot or botting would in my view not be an unreasonable use of the word(s).

On the other hand, if there is a substantial learning component that takes precedence over the act of autoing / botting itself - then here script is a more correct name.

You do raise interesting points. You could say you are "botting" as a verb, and that would be accurate, I suppose. However, that does not make Simba/scripts (noun) become "bots". Their state has not changed.

I made tons of scripts having nothing to do with Runescape: IRC bot, a game (which is/used to be included with every SCAR install, see Tins.scar), obfuscator, quadratic equitation solver (lol).
So Simba is not a bot.

The complete package may be called a bot, but not the individual parts (and just saying 'the bot isnt workin!!!' is Plain. Annoying).

From: Harry
You do raise interesting points. You could say you are "botting" as a verb, and that would be accurate, I suppose. However, that does not make Simba/scripts (noun) become "bots". Their state has not changed.

I make no pretense at being a history officianado when it comes to RS and the various tools used over the years to automate a players actions - and thus free them from it's drudgery.

There seems to be no doubt though that calling Simba scripts that automate a players actions a bot causes offense. I would really like to understand why. Is it the forum that people feel the need to defend or Simba or both.

Perhaps it is also that the term 'bot' has become synonymous with everything that is bad about the MMORPG industry and that people automatically engage in sabre rattling at the slightest provocation to distance themselves from it - perhaps even more so now that RS owners have taken the steps they have in order to ensure a fair playing field to all - but more probably to safeguard their business going forward. After all - they have probably invested a great deal into this.

Just a few thoughts, that's all …

Ciao! :cartman:

Well Simba, and mostly scar, took a very long time to set up in the past. A long time being somewhere between 5 - 45 mins to get a script running.

A person would have to download scar, install, download SRL, search the forums for a script they'd like to use, download that, read up on how to set up a script, declare their players, point the client to runescape and finally watch the script go.

Nowadays? Download Simba, Enable extensions (and we're talking of automatically enabling them), hit MSI -> Run, form pops up, and you're good to go. It acts in the background. No necessary downloading of scripts. There's a script manager coming out.

So…? While each separate component cannot be called a bot, the ensemble is everyday coming closer to acting just like one. Perhaps in the eye of a programmer it will never be called a bot. In the eye of the new user, it works pretty much like RsBot or KBot or iNexus used to work, so why wouldn't they call it the same, when at their end it acts the same?

After all, it was us who made it more leecher friendly ;)

-RM

From: Sir R. M8gic1an
After all, it was us who made it more leecher friendly ;) -RM

Ah yes. Making it more user friendly has taken it out of the realm of the expert / informed and right onto the doorstep of everyone who just wants … :(

But you did that through an orchestrated concerted effort which advanced all of your learning quite nicely!! :spot:

So it comes back to the intent and how you use it I guess - the leecher would call it a bot because generally they have no interest in the internals - just that it works. These are the same people with few posts that bounce all around the forum asking for it to be fixed. :fiery:

The fundi on the other hand loves everything about it and also knows how it works and enjoys the challenge of writing the scripts themselves - which still take a fair amount of time to perfect. :staycool:

Ciao
N :garfield:

zyt3x, I think a lot of us are feeling this :(

@NickMystre
i got respect for your English/grammar/vocabulary, but you abuse "-" and should use more commas. :P

From: footballjds
@NickMystre
i got respect for your English/grammar/vocabulary, but you abuse "-" and should use more commas. :P

I appreciate the feedback / critique. Duly noted …

I also like '/' as well. Perhaps I should change my nick to Nick-Mystre ? :stirthepot:

What do you think, footballjds ? :D

Ciao :garfield:

I think some Simba scripts could be called "bots" if they were executable. (If they automate human tasks)

You are arguing semantics. To the end user it looks like a bot, smells like a bot, as far as they are concerned it is a bot.

Whether it is or is not in fact a bot becomes irrelevant at that point. Perception defines reality. And the perception is…"It's a bot." Suck it up Princess. ;)

From: Bixby Sayz
You are arguing semantics. To the end user it looks like a bot, smells like a bot, as far as they are concerned it is a bot.

Whether it is or is not in fact a bot becomes irrelevant at that point. Perception defines reality. And the perception is…"It's a bot." Suck it up Princess. ;)

You get end users and then you get end users. Which one are you ? :unsure:

On a slightly less quizzical note though…

For those who couldn't care less about the insides - yes, it's a bot. The question is, for which of you regular Villavu forum users, is it a bot and for which of you is it a script ? I will wager that you don't care one way or the other. Or as Bixby Sayz: Semantics - that's all it is.

Personally - when I want it to do repetitive tasks until I tell it otherwise - it's a bot. When I am developing for Simba either from scratch or fine-tuning a masterpiece - then it's a script. For me - it's all in the intent. Bot and Script co-exist - morphing from one to the other seemlessly and mostly un-noticed - until dudes like me come along and stir up the pot. :stirthepot:

Ciao :garfield:

From: NickMystre
I appreciate the feedback / critique. Duly noted …

I also like '/' as well. Perhaps I should change my nick to Nick-Mystre ? :stirthepot:

What do you think, footballjds ? :D

Ciao :garfield:

http://www.ehow.com/how_4466123_use-dash-instead-comma.html
;)

Em Dash An em dash is the width of an m. Use an em dash sparingly in formal writing. In informal writing, em dashes may replace commas, semicolons, colons, and parentheses to indicate added emphasis, an interruption, or an abrupt change of thought.
Examples: You are the friend—the only friend—who offered to help me.
Never have I met such a lovely person—before you.
I pay the bills—she has all the fun.
A semicolon would be used here in formal writing.
I need three items at the store—dog food, vegetarian chili, and cheddar cheese.
Remember, a colon would be used here in formal writing.
My agreement with Fiona is clear—she teaches me French and I teach her German.
Again, a colon would work here in formal writing.
Please call my agent—Jessica Cohen—about hiring me.
Parentheses or commas would work just fine here instead of the dashes.
I wish you would—oh, never mind.
This shows an abrupt change in thought and warrants an em dash.
To form an em dash on most PCs, type the first word, then hold down the ALT key while typing 0151 on the numerical pad on the right side of your keyboard. Then type the second word. You may also form an em dash by typing the first word, hitting the hyphen key twice, and then typing the second word. Your program will turn the two hyphens into an em dash for you.

While there are many more possible uses of the em dash, by not providing additional rules, I am hoping to curb your temptation to employ this convenient but overused punctuation mark.

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/dashes.asp

From: NickMystre
You get end users and then you get end users. Which one are you ? :unsure:

Not sure I get your question. I have contributed fixes/updates to SRL, release the occasional script (rare admittedly), and try to contribute in a positive way to the forums.

I could not possibly care less if people call it a bot or they don't. If that is your biggest concern in life you have issues you need to deal with.

I believe it was a facetious remark about how your position in the community / your scripting knowledge can alter or completely change how you see some things. Especially regarding what this whole thread is about.

From: Bixby Sayz
Not sure I get your question. I have contributed fixes/updates to SRL, release the occasional script (rare admittedly), and try to contribute in a positive way to the forums.

I could not possibly care less if people call it a bot or they don't. If that is your biggest concern in life you have issues you need to deal with.

From: RISK
I believe it was a facetious remark about how your position in the community / your scripting knowledge can alter or completely change how you see some things. Especially regarding what this whole thread is about.

I am pleased that you understood what I was saying. I'm not sure how what I said was misconstrued - but it was. I guess that is always a possibility with so many different people around. I have tried to mend things - but this too can sometime backfire.

Thanks again.

Ciao :garfield:
N

From: footballjds
http://www.ehow.com/how_4466123_use-dash-instead-comma.html
;)


http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/dashes.asp

Looks like I have some reading to do. :-)

Ciao :garfield:
N

You probably should read up on the edit button you're killing me man with the double post….

You have plenty of time to mend anything you may have done. But I don't think anyone has taken offense or anything like that to anything you've said thus far.

By the way, I suggest you post in just one post instead of triple posting. You'll get in trouble with the staff.

E: BraK beat me to it.

From: NickMystre
I am pleased that you understood what I was saying. I'm not sure how what I said was misconstrued - but it was. I guess that is always a possibility with so many different people around. I have tried to mend things - but this too can sometime backfire.

Thanks again.

Ciao :garfield:
N

From: BraK
You probably should read up on the edit button you're killing me man with the double post….

OK, no problem. Is there a post/tut on the EDIT button. How do I use it ?

E: So each time I add to a post I just use the EDIT button. How do you keep things separate ?

Ciao :garfield:
N

Press "Edit" on the bottom left of your post. -> Make the edit(s) on your post that you desire. -> Hit "Save" on the bottom right of the editing panel.

From: NickMystre
OK, no problem. Is there a post/tut on the EDIT button. How do I use it ?

Ciao :garfield:
N

if you edit your post you can add a E: to show where you edited it.

E: Like this

E2: if you edit it more than once.

Exactly how I feel Zyt3x. Exactly how Coh3n feels as well.

Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

Also look, I put some things apart here

From: Markus
Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

Also look, I put some things apart here

wow that's one smexy explanation <3 Have I repped you lately :)

This… Please noobies, read the OP!

It's annoying seeing all the threads that are created called "bot isn't working! help!" when all they have to do is search…

Markus and you hit it right on the head!

From: Markus
Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

Also look, I put some things apart here

@Markus: The way you have laid out your position is great - and it certainly leaves anything I said choking on your dust. Thank you :-)

@BraK: You are so right very smexy indeed.

@All: My apologies if I ruffled some feathers - this was certainly not my aim.

Perhaps this is enough on this one for now.

Ciao :garfield:
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And you call my thread stupid? =.=

From: DeiJaiVui
And you call my thread stupid? =.=

This thread is pretty important it explains the functions of SRL and what the older members feel/ along with what some newer members feel towards the surge in new members.

From: NickMystre

What other scripts are their on villavu and what else do they do - besides being used for Runescape. Perhaps I have missed your point Zyt3x - and please - help me if I have.

I used it to input a whole lot of data into a web database at an accounting job and it saved me weeks of work :3

I most certainly agree with you and I have used scar/simba to do many other things than auto runescape. However, isn't some of this just coming down to semantics? I'm assuming this community has seen a rather large influx of members since the nuke, of people used to calling them bots, etc. They don't really know how they work or the correct terminology, so they do the best they can. Before this post, I don't think there really has been a whole lot to inform the new members the error of their ways. So yes, this should in fact be required reading for new members so they can make sure their expectations for Simba are where they should be, and so they can know how to better converse with a higher intelligence community (SRL) then prior (powerbot, etc).

Found typo in the fourth sentence…

Lets just hope they read this…