SRL Archive - News and General

From: Jacmob
Why have you put an end to RSBuddy’s bot client?

Bots have changed the gameplay of RuneScape. With the use of bots becoming increasingly widespread since the introduction of free trade, and the recent announcements by Jagex, it is clear that bots have become flagrantly detrimental to the game. If you’re like any of us and you enjoy playing RuneScape, you’ll have noticed that bots are anti-social and make the time you spend playing feel diminished in worth. At the same time, bots are abused heavily by gold farmers to ruin the game to a significant extent only for their profit. We hope to assist in the selfless movement by Jagex in fixing this problem and hope that you will join us in playing the game with real people.

To some this will seem like a quick change of heart. See my interview with Ability44 on YouTube.

Is this the end of all botting in RuneScape?

Yes. I am confident that you will not see the return of major bot clients to RuneScape, and that the small number of simple 'auto-clickers' and 'screen-scrapers' that remain will be dealt with very soon.

Another bot site says they’ll be up soon; why shouldn’t we believe them?

The other bot sites out there may claim for a bit longer that they will fix their bots within the next few days or weeks: Had I decided to release RSBuddy 1.5 to the public, it would have required another overhaul just a few days later. The fact that no other botting sites had any update ready by the end of last week shows how exceedingly far behind they are. Don’t hold your breath.

I know another huge MMO that hasn’t dealt with bots; what makes RuneScape different?

Removing bots from the game requires both commercial investment and the time of talented developers with other updates to work on. I haven’t seen any other company willing to take that hit; it requires a huge amount of care for the game we’re here for.

I used RSBuddy on my account, am I going to be banned?

The information we have on customers and users is private and won’t be used to ban any accounts. We hope that you have come to understand why botting has no place in the game and take this opportunity to become part of the RuneScape community.

I purchased a premium script, am I entitled to a refund?

If you purchased a script within 7 days of the update last Tuesday we will happily refund your purchase on request. Any purchases made before this time are not eligible for refunds. Information on subscription changes is available on our subscriptions page.

This is the end for bots, not for you!

It’s not only you that doesn’t have a bot client to use. RuneScape is a social game for humans to play. If you feel that there was anything botting did to keep you interested in the game, please join the discussion of what updates would remove any need for them.

More Information

BenTellsAStory interviews NoEffex, Trigoon, Arbiter and myself on YouTube.

My RSN is 'Gouraud' (after the shading algorithm). inb4 spam. I'll be on IRC as usual.

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F.A.Q.

Were you threatened with a lawsuit?

Nope. RSBuddy is currently taking legal action against another site though.

Did you actually finish RSBuddy v1.5?

Yes (and brought it to RuneFest).

Will screen scraping ('colour') bots be taken down soon?

Yes. It's good to leave the easiest to deal with last.

Why the count-down?

We needed time to prepare for this announcement and couldn't say anything in the mean time.


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Discuss.

No.

"Why the count-down?

We needed time to prepare for this announcement and couldn't say anything in the mean time."

They could have done the same thing even better without the count-down, no? Lol.

Also no I don't think color is stoppable. Then again everything is unstoppable until it is stopped.

Nope.

They just want to say that because they're thinking "If we can't fix it, then nobody can". They realize if people find out color lives on then that'll make them look dumb.

The more he talks the more his ignorance shines.

From: grats
The more he talks the more his ignorance shines.

This! +1!

From: Camo Developer
This! +1!

He should be a politician, rarely do I see 'computer people' get dumber as they go on :spot:

He's being delusional. He wants his users to believe that since Rsbuddy has shutdown so will every other bot.

From: kingarabian
He's being delusional. He wants his users to believe that since Rsbuddy has shutdown so will every other bot.

I don't think it's that. He's an intelligent guy. It's the fact that he's now on Jagexs' side so he must talk like them and say things like this.

From: YoHoJo
I don't think it's that. He's an intelligent guy. It's the fact that he's now on Jagexs' side so he must talk like them and say things like this.

I'm not questioning his intelligence. He could've been a man about everything and handled everything better.

Did anyone else notice a complete restructure of the way that jacmob forms his sentences? Perhaps this is not even him anymore? I couldn't really see jagex wanting to take on that role but perhaps a partner of theirs or even another community leader?

Also a note of taking out colour based bots… First we had Autorune, then that broke so we had Scar (or simba/srl now), that never truely broke, but there have been countless other bots broken over the years. So if disabling all bots is truely their goal, why wasnt it done before when they claimed that it was their goal?

From: quazzymodem
Did anyone else notice a complete restructure of the way that jacmob forms his sentences? Perhaps this is not even him anymore? I couldn't really see jagex wanting to take on that role but perhaps a partner of theirs or even another community leader?

Also a note of taking out colour based bots… First we had Autorune, then that broke so we had Scar (or simba/srl now), that never truely broke, but there have been countless other bots broken over the years. So if disabling all bots is truely their goal, why wasnt it done before when they claimed that it was their goal?

You probably never had autorune in your hands, cause autorune wasn't a colorbot.

They could stop color bots by making everything invisible. But then it wouldn't be a game anymore :p

From: weequ
They could stop color bots by making everything invisible. But then it wouldn't be a game anymore :p

or as I was saying to flight on msn, they could make stuff change colors (lol) so everything would be a different color everytime you went to a new world or something

would be ridiculous!

From: grats
or as I was saying to flight on msn, they could make stuff change colors (lol) so everything would be a different color everytime you went to a new world or something

would be ridiculous!

would it not be as simple as removing safe mode, blending colors and adding graphical details? Not sounding pessimistic, and not saying that would completely destroy color botting or anything, but safe mode is a vital part of our bots success.

They can't do that, yet at least. If they want to make the game fair, they can't force higher CPU graphics to someone who has a crappy computer. I doubt they would force that on their players just to stop us.

From: Camo Developer
They can't do that, yet at least. If they want to make the game fair, they can't force higher CPU graphics to someone who has a crappy computer. I doubt they would force that on their players just to stop us.

Makes sense I suppose, I'm sure they don't really care about the small amount of us that bot color anymore anyways.

offtopic, but it's nice to see you around again ;)

From: Blumblebee
Makes sense I suppose, I'm sure they don't really care about the small amount of us that bot color anymore anyways.

offtopic, but it's nice to see you around again ;)

Yeah, we are only 2% remember? Lol.

And yeah, it's good to be back :D

I believe I said this many times.. and I really believe it will work.. Day time, night time in runescape.. and all the times inbetween like sunset, etc.. Not only that but they can also remove the black outline on all objects.. then what?

That would screw colour bots for sure.. Imagine having to make DTM's/Bitmaps for every second of a day for a bot to run.. then what? Colour bots would be screwed.

From: ggzz
I believe I said this many times.. and I really believe it will work.. Day time, night time in runescape.. and all the times inbetween like sunset, etc.. Not only that but they can also remove the black outline on all objects.. then what?

That would screw colour bots for sure.. Imagine having to make DTM's/Bitmaps for every second of a day for a bot to run.. then what? Colour bots would be screwed.

We'd figure out the levels at which they alter their items based on the time of day and then we'd make an algorithm to calculate the time of day and edit our colors and tolerances based on the time of day.

From: ggzz
I believe I said this many times.. and I really believe it will work.. Day time, night time in runescape.. and all the times inbetween like sunset, etc.. Not only that but they can also remove the black outline on all objects.. then what?

That would screw colour bots for sure.. Imagine having to make DTM's/Bitmaps for every second of a day for a bot to run.. then what? Colour bots would be screwed.

Why would that stop us? We would just make autocoloring functions for stuff. Day/night time would only change the lightness right? Hue and saturation would stay pretty much the same. I don't see the big deal.

Edit: And yea like Yago said we would make algorithms to calculate the lightness..

From: ggzz
I believe I said this many times.. and I really believe it will work.. Day time, night time in runescape.. and all the times inbetween like sunset, etc.. Not only that but they can also remove the black outline on all objects.. then what?

That would screw colour bots for sure.. Imagine having to make DTM's/Bitmaps for every second of a day for a bot to run.. then what? Colour bots would be screwed.

I suspect we would develop more advanced auto-color functions?

The safe-mode removal is more of a concern for me.. They already stated somewhere that the minimal settings are basically like safe-mode… I think they may remove it soon, but I hope not.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Weequ

no matter what they do, even if they remove safe mode. We can read color on vm though team viewer or some other stuff.

In other words, we won't be killed…

From: Main
even if they remove safe mode. We can read color on vm though team viewer or some other stuff.

what.

From: i luffs yeww
what.

I believe TeamViewer allows someone to access your computer in order to help you with problems, so if you had a VM and ran TeamViewer, I think Main is saying you/Simba would be able to see the feed from TeamViewer.

From: Blumblebee
would it not be as simple as removing safe mode, blending colors and adding graphical details? Not sounding pessimistic, and not saying that would completely destroy color botting or anything, but safe mode is a vital part of our bots success.

Safe Mode isn't actually needed, truth be told. It's needed for the current version of SRL, but I think it's safe to say that this won't always be the case.

There is some software that stops one from getting the screen buffer.. I forget what it is though…

But that would require admin rights, and a lot of people who play RS don't have those (library, schools, their mom's computer).

From: Main
no matter what they do, even if they remove safe mode. We can read color on vm though team viewer or some other stuff.

In other words, we won't be killed…

that would be a ridiculous setup lol..



@others teamviewer limits the color bits that go through, so it basically makes stuff crappy quality (much easier to bot)

you could you use teamviewer portable at school to view the vm at home which contains a teamviewer which contains an rs client and use the simba in vm to bot the rs in the teamviewer.

Teamviewer-ception?

From: Main
you could you use teamviewer portalble at school to view the vm at home which contains a teamviewer which contains an rs client and use the simba in vm to bot the rs in the teamviewer.

Teamviewer-ception?

you know what's fun

open teamviewer, connect to yourself

amazingly fun

anyway - we'd definitely go to minimum settings instead of safe mode..long before we did osmething crazy like that lol

Ye also this:
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67535

From: Main
Ye also this:
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67535

yea I leave my settings the same and have machines dedicated for just botting because of all the weird settings etc

I hope to see srl5 allow regular mode instead of just safe mode.. I assume safe mode might go out if they want to hurt color bots

He is not the only planet in the planet, such as he is not the only 'brilliant' mind in the world.
If Jacmob can't find the solution to Reflection bots, why not joining those who crashed them hard?
Now the other minds around world have the opportunity to shine even more than Jacmob! :D

You have to remember that SRL was here in 2000… We existed for almost 10 years and probably will out last any competitors out there, I am willing to bet 1000 bucks on that:P

From: Main
You have to remember that SRL was here in 2000… We existed for almost 10 years and probably will out last any competitors out there, I am willing to bet 1000 bucks on that:P

So you're betting $100 per year? /troll :garfield:

What you need to know is this:

We at SRL play against the rules. Thats all we do. There is no copyrighted material on this forum. We don't decompile and reverse engineer the client either. We just look at the screen, like every normal player does. Nothing special and nothing secret going on @ SRL. We just count colors and wait… We are not illegal, in any way.

Also, there is no script selling/buying @ SRL, so no money comes in. Also, we try to blend in. We do not mass-exploit spots and try to make sure we are not a bother to Jageks. That is, has always been and always will be our philosophy.


Consider us the Masterthieves, the Guild of Robin Hoods. I am sure there is nothing going on here that is really courtworthy. Keep it that way!

Edit: Main: 10 years? Nah more like 7 :) 8 at most. Before that it was kaitnieks.

This video is the answer to your question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

Very interesting video indeed and I agree with WT-Fakawi but the video doesn't answer anything

From: DaWu
You probably never had autorune in your hands, cause autorune wasn't a colorbot.

I had an used autorune, but I never said that it was a colour bot. It was clearly a packet bot and thus the reason for it being broken and Scar the colour based replacement being made by the same author.

I don't think it would be possible for Jagex to break colour bots permanently, but using colour, especially after the HD update is a bit of a pain. OpenGL looks like an excellent alternative, but who knows? Maybe Reflection will return. It doesn't sound like Jacmob keeps up with what is going on here, he probably doesn't even know about SRL.

From: quazzymodem
I had an used autorune, but I never said that it was a colour bot. It was clearly a packet bot and thus the reason for it being broken and Scar the colour based replacement being made by the same author.

Kaitnieks stopped updating AutoRune in 2003 but eventually sold the source to a few people and it was leaked. Some people had a working version as late as 2007 and there are still a few people with it working today though they keep it private. It's just very hard to make a packet/proxy bot for RS2 and even harder to keep it working when Jagex update.

From what I remember SCAR was created before RS2 came out, some time in 2003. AutoRune had just been temporarily broken thanks to an update by Jagex. Kaitnieks said this in the "Little Black Book of RuneScape Cheating":

I made another cheat, a clicker named SCAR (Shite Compared to AutoRune). There are 2 reasons why I made it. First - to keep cheaters busy so they don't want to do scamming and second - to prove Nick Sherlock, the AutoMiner programmer, that writing a clicker is much much easier than something like AutoRune unlike what he writes in his home page.

There you are, you learned some RuneScape cheating history.

I still have AutoRune 4.20 and 2.80's source code lol, sadly they don't work any more. 2.80 doesn't even compile because it depends lots of third-party programs which no longer exist.

2.80 - http://i.imgur.com/EN09g.png
4.20a - http://i.imgur.com/MpjQ4.png

Making a packet bot for runescape before the big bot busting update was near to impossible, and now after the bot-busting update, now that so little is known about the client, I'd say it 's even more impossible.

From: Zyt3x
Making a packet bot for runescape before the big bot busting update was near to impossible, and now after the bot-busting update, now that so little is known about the client, I'd say it 's even more impossible.

It's a totally different knowledge about the client…

From: mormonman
It's a totally different knowledge about the client…

Exactly

From: Mr. Bottomtooth
They could have done the same thing even better without the count-down, no? Lol.

Also no I don't think color is stoppable. Then again everything is unstoppable until it is stopped.

If they make runescape all lsd'ish, color could be stopped :sasmokin:

From: Camo Developer
Yeah, we are only 2% remember? Lol.

And yeah, it's good to be back :D

Unfortunately that 2% may increase as more people who are looking for a botting alternative find SRL.

From: Echo_
Unfortunately that 2% may increase as more people who are looking for a botting alternative find SRL.

Yeah, but having good people join is never a problem, it's only the people whom we don't want.

From: _sw
I don't think it would be possible for Jagex to break colour bots permanently, but using colour, especially after the HD update is a bit of a pain. OpenGL looks like an excellent alternative, but who knows? Maybe Reflection will return. It doesn't sound like Jacmob keeps up with what is going on here, he probably doesn't even know about SRL.




Kaitnieks stopped updating AutoRune in 2003 but eventually sold the source to a few people and it was leaked. Some people had a working version as late as 2007 and there are still a few people with it working today though they keep it private. It's just very hard to make a packet/proxy bot for RS2 and even harder to keep it working when Jagex update.

From what I remember SCAR was created before RS2 came out, some time in 2003. AutoRune had just been temporarily broken thanks to an update by Jagex. Kaitnieks said this in the "Little Black Book of RuneScape Cheating":



There you are, you learned some RuneScape cheating history.

I still have AutoRune 4.20 and 2.80's source code lol, sadly they don't work any more. 2.80 doesn't even compile because it depends lots of third-party programs which no longer exist.

2.80 - http://i.imgur.com/EN09g.png
4.20a - http://i.imgur.com/MpjQ4.png

Your correct about everything other than people having a working version of the software up until 2007, or currently for that matter. There was a a reason pertaining to an update that caused Kait to stop updating. There may have been a brief period where a working version was possible but that window wasn't very large. I seem to remember all hope of packet bots leaving us around 2005.

From: WT-Fakawi

Also, there is no script selling/buying @ SRL, so no money comes in. Also, we try to blend in. We do not mass-exploit spots and try to make sure we are not a bother to Jageks. That is, has always been and always will be our philosophy.

Yay! Exactly what I wanted to hear.

From: quazzymodem
Your correct about everything other than people having a working version of the software up until 2007, or currently for that matter. There was a a reason pertaining to an update that caused Kait to stop updating. There may have been a brief period where a working version was possible but that window wasn't very large. I seem to remember all hope of packet bots leaving us around 2005.

I talked to someone who had a working version two days ago, and they sent me this, very private, RS Classic only, stopped working in 2009.

From: _sw
I talked to someone who had a working version two days ago, and they sent me this, very private, RS Classic only, stopped working in 2009.

I will believe it when I see a working version in use. The thing about 'private' bots is they are only ever private for a very short term, EVERYTHING gets leaked. Also anyone who has the know how to even attempt to make an older version run has either left the scene completely or moved on to a method that has better results with less work.

From: quazzymodem
EVERYTHING gets leaked.

Not true. If you keep things to yourself, you'll never get caught. There are many here that run private scripts.

From: quazzymodem
Also anyone who has the know how to even attempt to make an older version run has either left the scene completely or moved on to a method that has better results with less work.

Do you even have a valid source for this or do you just troll for the fun of it.

EVERYTHING gets leaked

How many people actually have AR302?

Me, RaW (who is currently in jail), Kaitnieks and the person who gave it to me (Axel).

Yeah, good luck with that.

From: _sw
How many people actually have AR302?

Me, RaW (who is currently in jail), Kaitnieks and the person who gave it to me (Axel).

Yeah, good luck with that.

Let me fix it for him:

EVERYTHING worth anything gets leaked.

Not true. Same thing with bugs i know people who make 5B a hour with bugs having loads of phats etc etc etc. But still only he and his BUG partner know it.

Yes stuff leaks but i know people who holded on a private bug for over 2 years now.

From: LSD
Not true. Same thing with bugs i know people who make 5B a hour with bugs having loads of phats etc etc etc. But still only he and his BUG partner know it.

Yes stuff leaks but i know people who holded on a private bug for over 2 years now.

During the times of Tainted-Ones they had leakers that caused tons of drama. Bug abuse is still tight now, but leaks occasionally still happen.

The whole Teamviewer aspect of things where the colour spectrum is downgraded was an idea I had earlier. I use RealVNC on all of my computers and I have it down to 16bit colour when viewing my machines. The original RealVNC and other VNC software is open source. Could someone possibly find out a way to get the mirror driver to compress a certain windows colours to make botting easier?

Yes. It's good to leave the easiest to deal with last.

This line just gave me the lols.

I don't think so.

From: Deathscytex
This line just gave me the lols.

Yeah, they already dealt with the easiest.. we're like roaches.. we survive Nukes. :)

Color is here to live, as well as exact item location. You always will have an exact location of stuff in the inventory, unless they start a random inventory shuffle, which would be annoying to the users. I can say I am enjoying being able to cut down trees again, and not have 100+ people in the same location!