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Computer Build, Have I Forgotten Anything?


YoHoJo

2011-10-29 16:16:21

This is a build I made for my cousin.
Can you all please look over it and make sure that I have not forgotten any parts or anything? He's planning to order it soon and I just want to double check I'm not missing anything crucial!

http://i.imgur.com/fymbA.png


E: I know it doesn't include a Hard Drive, we are buying that elsewhere.
E: Also please check to make sure everything is compatible, but I'm pretty sure it all is. :D

Hobbit

2011-10-29 16:20:00

Hard drive?

YoHoJo

2011-10-29 16:23:50

Ah yeah thanks, we're actually buying that though amazon, good call though!

xSaintias

2011-10-29 16:48:02

looking at your build your power supply is overkill. Is there a reason you have it? But still looks like a nice simple build.

YoHoJo

2011-10-29 16:50:57

No reason in particular, my friend made/helped make my build and I have a 750W supply and similar parts so I just assumed same would be good for him. Never knew 750W was overkill, thanks.

Hmm why do they make such powerful supplies then? What would possibly use so much power, all I can think of is dual GFX cards and maybe more PCIe/PCI components and fans? I doub't fans use much though…

Hobbit

2011-10-29 16:53:09

Its not overkill. Sure he might be able to get by on a 650 but 750 is a nice bit of extra room at a nice price. Also by the setup it looks like he would like to have the option of expanding, which he would require more power. You should always get more power then what components recommend because if you get the recommended and you put all your components under load you will burn out your PSU.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6870/pages/amd-radeon-hd-6870-overview.aspx#3

Minimum is 500w for the GFX recommended is 600W

Then you throw the 125W processor on there and probably 70W for the motherboard. If you ever play a game that is intensive and runs your hardware at the peak you will want the 750w. Anything lower and you risk burning it out.

YoHoJo

2011-10-29 17:03:54

Thanks for clarification Hobbit, yeah better to have extra then too little/just enough.
It's a freaking great deal, along with the -$32 off and $10 rebate the 750 MODULAR comes out $10 cheaper than the normal 750 version! Lucky guy, modular is so awesome!

Nava2

2011-10-29 17:36:04

Why not upgrade to Bulldozer chips? They are significantly better than their Phenom counter parts!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962

$30 more, and significantly better… easily OC's to 3.6GHz

YoHoJo

2011-10-29 17:38:15

Good Call!!!
Um, besides better GHz they are better overall all around correct?
Also, since socket is AM3+ (that is different than AM3?) so I would need a differnt MOBO?

Also, besides that, as far as you can see I have all the parts I need correct? :D

Nava2

2011-10-29 17:50:41

From: YoHoJo
Good Call!!!
Um, besides better GHz they are better overall all around correct?
Also, since socket is AM3+ (that is different than AM3?) so I would need a differnt MOBO?

Also, besides that, as far as you can see I have all the parts I need correct? :D


Yes, you are correct. And finding a new MOBO, you do not need to, but I would suggest it.

This looks good: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131767

List: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007625%20600138080%204027&IsNodeId=1&Description=motherboard%20am3%2B&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20

YoHoJo

2011-10-29 18:12:28

You sure?
Mobo I picked says AM3 (not plus).
I hear AM3+ boards are compatible with AM3 CPUs.
But only certain (if any) AM3 boards can use AM3+ chips after a BIOS upgrade.
Thanks.

Nava2

2011-10-29 18:24:12

From: YoHoJo
You sure?
Mobo I picked says AM3 (not plus).
I hear AM3+ boards are compatible with AM3 CPUs.
But only certain (if any) AM3 boards can use AM3+ chips after a BIOS upgrade.
Thanks.


That's exactly it. It might not be possible for the AM3+ to work. Its not worth risking it, in my opinion.

YoHoJo

2011-10-29 18:25:20

Yeah, thanks.
MAN AMD is so cheap and awesome I love it!
So all parts needed are there correct? I've only made a computer once before lawls, don't want him to get a package and have something missing.

Sex

2011-10-29 18:47:03

From: YoHoJo
Yeah, thanks.
MAN AMD is so cheap and awesome I love it!
So all parts needed are there correct? I've only made a computer once before lawls, don't want him to get a package and have something missing.

Yeah you have all the parts besides the hard drive, but you've mentioned you're ordering that elsewhere; so yeah. :)

grats

2011-10-29 18:49:07

From: YoHoJo
Good Call!!!
Um, besides better GHz they are better overall all around correct?
Also, since socket is AM3+ (that is different than AM3?) so I would need a differnt MOBO?

Also, besides that, as far as you can see I have all the parts I need correct? :D


yea they have lower level cache(closer to cores) so it's 'faster' by like 1000ths of a second

still worth it, they can be overclocked wayy more too

also yea your power supply can handle two graphics cards that have like double the memory of your current lol, but it isn't really the "overkill" as much as the overpriced, considering antec are the gods of psu

750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371049
650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044

unless you need the modular
I wish my psu was still being sold.. modular, 750w and $99



From: YoHoJo
You sure?
Mobo I picked says AM3 (not plus).
I hear AM3+ boards are compatible with AM3 CPUs.
But only certain (if any) AM3 boards can use AM3+ chips after a BIOS upgrade.
Thanks.


good point though, I wouldn't risk it

Nava2

2011-10-29 19:57:25

Also, the build I did for my Step mom used that case. Its excellent. The only down side is that all of the fans are analog controls vs. digital. Thus, you have to open the case to turn them down, etc.. Also, remember it is a mid-sized case.

It feels like good quality though. But its no CM. ;)

_ChArMz

2011-10-29 19:58:44

Get a i5 2500 for 194.99 @ newegg right now, if your going to overclock you can get the 2500K

It is better or as good as AMD in everything

then this mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583

then this PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088

EDIT: AMDs extra cores mean shit
and WTF is he spending money on that computer building kit for?…you need a screw driver and your good to go

Brandon

2011-10-29 20:19:52

Do u have a ATX casing? I see ur buying ATX formfactor parts so I'm asking cuz i don't see it on the list there..

As for ppl being intel fanboys.. that's utter bs.. ATI >= Nvidia.. AMD >= Intel. Only thing is that u gotta find the right drivers and ones that use the cards to the max..

Hobbit

2011-10-29 20:21:58

From: _ChArMz

and WTF is he spending money on that computer building kit for?…you need a screw driver and your good to go


Was wondering that too, and really who needs even a screw driver? Bent paper clips are magical tools.

grats

2011-10-29 20:23:35

From: Hobbit
Was wondering that too, and really who needs even a screw driver? Bent paper clips are magical tools.


I get by with my finger


From: ggzz
Do u have a ATX casing? I see ur buying ATX formfactor parts so I'm asking cuz i don't see it on the list there..

As for ppl being intel fanboys.. that's utter bs.. ATI >= Nvidia.. AMD >= Intel. Only thing is that u gotta find the right drivers and ones that use the cards to the max..


AMD >= Nvidia *

Hobbit

2011-10-29 20:26:25

From: grats
I get by with my finger


I call shenanigans. You can't use thumb screws everywhere! My case is 90% thumbs screws though, it's nice :)

grats

2011-10-29 20:31:24

From: Hobbit
I call shenanigans. You can't use thumb screws everywhere! My case is 90% thumbs screws though, it's nice :)


half the crap in my case isn't even screwed in

http://i.imgur.com/qbosg.jpg

most of it is just on wooden platforms I made & hard drives are on little tunnel things I made with a fan at the end lol

was my "I'm extremely bored this weekend" project

kingarabian

2011-10-29 20:46:18

From: grats
half the crap in my case isn't even screwed in

http://i.imgur.com/qbosg.jpg

most of it is just on wooden platforms i made & hard drives are on little tunnel things i made with a fan at the end lol

was my "i'm extremely bored this weekend" project


dude. This made me get a woody.

Capricorn

2011-10-29 22:54:26

From: Nava2
Why not upgrade to Bulldozer chips? They are significantly better than their Phenom counter parts!
$30 more, and significantly better… easily OC's to 3.6GHz


Not even close, in fact depending on what you base the performance on AMD's older Phenom II's sometimes come out faster.

For gaming, I cannot recommend BD to anybody.

From: Hobbit
Its not overkill. Sure he might be able to get by on a 650 but 750 is a nice bit of extra room at a nice price. Also by the setup it looks like he would like to have the option of expanding, which he would require more power. You should always get more power then what components recommend because if you get the recommended and you put all your components under load you will burn out your PSU.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6870/pages/amd-radeon-hd-6870-overview.aspx#3

Minimum is 500w for the GFX recommended is 600W

Then you throw the 125W processor on there and probably 70W for the motherboard. If you ever play a game that is intensive and runs your hardware at the peak you will want the 750w. Anything lower and you risk burning it out.


Really, I would run a 480w EarthWatts with the build he posted. A 6870 + i7 920 only pulls 300w from the wall running furmark and furmark will really be the most intensive thing that will push everything.

From: grats
yea they have lower level cache(closer to cores) so it's 'faster' by like 1000ths of a second


Just.. Just what are you even saying?

From: YoHoJo
Hmm why do they make such powerful supplies then?

Because there's a sucker born every second.

grats

2011-10-30 00:26:22

capricorn, stop getting hurt over anything I say..

level1, level2, level3 are levels of cache in cpu

bulldozer has level2, the other sixcores don't

Capricorn

2011-10-30 03:38:32

From: grats
capricorn, stop getting hurt over anything I say..

level1, level2, level3 are levels of cache in cpu

bulldozer has level2, the other sixcores don't


To clarify, what do you mean by bulldozer and what do you mean by other hexacores? Because you do realize BD comes in 8, 6 and 4 "core" versions?

Also just so you know, none of the chips in the Phenom II line have lasered off cache. What you are thinking about are the Propus line of Athlon II's, which are just binned Phenom II's. And it's not the L2 cache, it's the L3 cache that is lasered off.

The problem is is that when you say some bullshit like
yea they have lower level cache(closer to cores) so it's 'faster' by like 1000ths of a second

that is not even factually correct, in a thread about advice, yes I am going to have a problem with that. Like, you do realize L2 cache gets hit first and if it misses it goes to L3 right? Why would they have L3, but not L2?

L1, L2 and L3 is just a distinction between names. Why would they call something L3 cache when there's no L2 when it's all about name distinction? Maybe you shouldn't say something so fucking ambiguous like "it's faster". What the fuck do you mean? The cache? the CPU?

And no, your posts don't hurt me. Far from that actually, but don't go fucking suggesting BD is faster than a Thuban, because it's not. BD loses to Thuban in probably half the games. It's a fucking joke and the fact that you are here trying to say it's faster is bullshit. I don't even care about what you think, I just wish you'd wikipedia some of the shit you say before jumping into a thread where somebody is asking for advice/help/opinions.

ALSO, good luck on buying a FX-8150 when it's sold out and selling for $40-50 above MSRP. Even if it were at MSRP, it would be a dumb ass choice to buy it over a i5-2500k if your purchase is for gaming (which I will assume in this case it is, since YoHoJo posted a build with a 6870).

kingarabian

2011-10-30 03:46:48

Easy Capricorn… I know you know your shit about computers, but let's have constructive debates.

YoHoJo

2011-10-30 05:01:32

Grats. How come Thubans beat FXs?
Also isn't gaming mostly based on video card not CPU good CPU matters but it's not like games max/even close to max your CPU and I just assume gfx card matters way more?
Also why you suggest i5/sandy over AMD. I like AMD because it's a lot cheaper and they seem to handle any of the gaming/resource intensive things I throw at them just fine.

I mean yeah in crazy balls to the wall max benchmark tests certain CPUs beat others bit why get one so powerful/more expensive if I'm not ever gonna max it.

So should I get a PhenomII 6 core or FX 6 core?
Price diff was $30 and FX was I think .5GHZ faster too.

kingarabian

2011-10-30 05:41:31

From: YoHoJo
Grats. How come Thubans beat FXs?
Also isn't gaming mostly based on video card not CPU good CPU matters but it's not like games max/even close to max your CPU and I just assume gfx card matters way more?
Also why you suggest i5/sandy over AMD. I like AMD because it's a lot cheaper and they seem to handle any of the gaming/resource intensive things I throw at them just fine.

I mean yeah in crazy balls to the wall max benchmark tests certain CPUs beat others bit why get one so powerful/more expensive if I'm not ever gonna max it.

So should I get a PhenomII 6 core or FX 6 core?
Price diff was $30 and FX was I think .5GHZ faster too.


Intel is for those rich ass intensive gamers. AMD is the best for budget consumers and they do handle any of todays games.

Nava2

2011-10-30 14:22:27

From: YoHoJo
Grats. How come Thubans beat FXs?
Also isn't gaming mostly based on video card not CPU good CPU matters but it's not like games max/even close to max your CPU and I just assume gfx card matters way more?
Also why you suggest i5/sandy over AMD. I like AMD because it's a lot cheaper and they seem to handle any of the gaming/resource intensive things I throw at them just fine.

I mean yeah in crazy balls to the wall max benchmark tests certain CPUs beat others bit why get one so powerful/more expensive if I'm not ever gonna max it.

So should I get a PhenomII 6 core or FX 6 core?
Price diff was $30 and FX was I think .5GHZ faster too.


I'd say go with the FX core as you are future-proofing. They are also better on power than their Phenom counter parts.

Plus, its always cool to have the newest stuff :stirthepot:

Markus

2011-10-30 17:08:41

Got SATA cables? I always forget those and then I'm like @!#$!$!#@$!# cus they are expensive to buy offline.

Silent

2011-10-30 17:22:29

From: Markus
Got SATA cables? I always forget those and then I'm like @!#$!$!#@$!# cus they are expensive to buy offline.


Motherboard usually comes with two.

I just upgraded my system to a Phenom II x6. It was a black addition, I have it overclocked to 3.6 easily. (see my last post in the computer specs thread if you want more details)

I was also thinking about getting a FX processor, but I decided to just get a motherboard that could handle both, that way when the 8-cores have come down a bit in price, and are actually in stock I can buy one. The new processor I bought cost $20 less and i have it running at 3.6GHz as opposed to the 3.3GHz that the FX processor came at. (You could probably overclock it too I know)

So for the money, it was well worth it.

/2 cents

Markus

2011-10-30 18:18:55

Just thread hijacking here, but imagine your granny/other semi computer-illiterate uses a PC and it's slow. €200 gives me new motherboard, CPU, 4gb of RAM and a 80gb SSD which is plenty because out of the current 160gb HDD, only 30/40gb is used after 5 years. Would it be worth the money in terms of snappiness?

Nava2

2011-10-30 18:59:56

From: Markus
Just thread hijacking here, but imagine your granny/other semi computer-illiterate uses a PC and it's slow. €200 gives me new motherboard, CPU, 4gb of RAM and a 80gb SSD which is plenty because out of the current 160gb HDD, only 30/40gb is used after 5 years. Would it be worth the money in terms of snappiness?


Assuming you are using the old HDD, then yes. But the SSD has slow write speeds and you need to make sure she doesn't put things on the SSD she doesn't need. You could also just drop the SSD size to 40GB and use it for system/binaries. I'm assuming, like my grandpa, you do most of the setup on the computer? :P

YoHoJo

2011-10-30 19:17:02

New question!
Motherboard Sepcs, I know nothing about them/how much they matter/what they really mean. What stuff should I be looking for when deciding between them? My cousin has a few in mind and is wonder which he should get

QUOTE:
1. ASRock 880G Pro 3:

* Onboard video card, not needed.
* FSB 2600 MHz.
* Worse north and south chipsets.
* Best audio chipset, ALC 892
* 4 x USB 2.0
* 1 x PS2

2. ASRock 970 Extreme 3:

* FSB 2400 Mhz
* Best north and south shipsets
* Best audio chipset, ALC 892
* 4 x USB 2.0
* 2 x PS2, therefore new mouse not needed

3. Gigabyte 970A D3

* FSB 4800 MT/s according to website, therefore not FSB 2600 MHz.

* Best north and south chipsets
* Slightly worse audio chipset, Realtek ALC889
* 8 x USB 2.0
* 1 x PS2



Basically he just wants an AM3+ motherboard that's good :p.
$100ish range.

E: Also, what were you saying Grats about PhenomIIs beating FXs?

Silent

2011-10-30 19:49:00

From: YoHoJo
New question!
Motherboard Sepcs, I know nothing about them/how much they matter/what they really mean. What stuff should I be looking for when deciding between them? My cousin has a few in mind and is wonder which he should get

Basically he just wants an AM3+ motherboard that's good :p.
$100ish range.

E: Also, what were you saying Grats about PhenomIIs beating FXs?


I just bought that Gigabyte board last week, the thing rocks. I would recommend it.

Using it with a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz
and G.SKILL Value Series 8GB.

I only have an ATI 5670, and I play everything maxed 1600 x 900 resolution. Of course the gfx card you were looking at will do much better than mine, especially with DX11 games, which mine does have a hard time with.

Nava2

2011-10-30 19:53:32

From: YoHoJo
New question!
Motherboard Sepcs, I know nothing about them/how much they matter/what they really mean. What stuff should I be looking for when deciding between them? My cousin has a few in mind and is wonder which he should get

QUOTE:


Basically he just wants an AM3+ motherboard that's good :p.
$100ish range.

E: Also, what were you saying Grats about PhenomIIs beating FXs?


Just make sure you get an actual AM3+ not the AM3 one, as stated before. Otherwise, I would look for a USB3.0 supported board.

YoHoJo

2011-10-30 19:55:27

Thanks spy, also have gigabyte here and love it.

Cousin asking what's the/is there a noticeable diff between
880 vs 970 north bridge
2400 vs 2600 FSB
And weather any of the lower specced mobos will 'limit' his 6100 FX processor?

Idk much about mobo specs but I assume it's all pretty much the same and only extra little features set them apart?

Basically just want a solid mobo for his processor and then he's going to buy.
Thanks a lot to everyone.

_ChArMz

2011-10-30 20:06:51

why have we went with 6100 over the 2500?

if gaming or doing anything real world the 2500k is better from the benches I have seen

YoHoJo

2011-10-30 20:09:05

I unno. Lot cheaper :)? I'm just and AMD guy but I'll tell him.

Silent

2011-10-30 20:11:56

From: YoHoJo
Thanks spy, also have gigabyte here and love it.

Cousin asking what's the/is there a noticeable diff between
880 vs 970 north bridge
2400 vs 2600 FSB
And weather any of the lower specced mobos will 'limit' his 6100 FX processor?

Idk much about mobo specs but I assume it's all pretty much the same and only extra little features set them apart?

Basically just want a solid mobo for his processor and then he's going to buy.
Thanks a lot to everyone.


880 has on-board video, where-as the 970 does not, so a gfx card is an order.

880 also doesn't support things like USB 3 and SATA 3, while the 970 does.

Also 970 can handle both FX (AM3+) and Phenom(AM3) CPU's while the 880 only supports AM3. (and AM2+ on some older boards)

The 970 is much better in my opinion. :rolleyes:

EDIT: If you want even more information you could look into the pages that AMD has on the chipsets.

970
880

Nava2

2011-10-30 20:51:47

From: Silent SPY
880 has on-board video, where-as the 970 does not, so a gfx card is an order.

880 also doesn't support things like USB 3 and SATA 3, while the 970 does.

Also 970 can handle both FX (AM3+) and Phenom(AM3) CPU's while the 880 only supports AM3. (and AM2+ on some older boards)

The 970 is much better in my opinion. :rolleyes:

EDIT: If you want even more information you could look into the pages that AMD has on the chipsets.

970
880


For the love of god go with the 970, unless you're looking to save power by hot swapping between integrated and a gfx card on the fly, there is no need for an integrated chip.

USB 3.0 may be a big deal down the road.. best to future proof if you can.

grats

2011-10-30 21:42:57

From: YoHoJo
Grats. How come Thubans beat FXs?
Also isn't gaming mostly based on video card not CPU good CPU matters but it's not like games max/even close to max your CPU and I just assume gfx card matters way more?
Also why you suggest i5/sandy over AMD. I like AMD because it's a lot cheaper and they seem to handle any of the gaming/resource intensive things I throw at them just fine.

I mean yeah in crazy balls to the wall max benchmark tests certain CPUs beat others bit why get one so powerful/more expensive if I'm not ever gonna max it.

So should I get a PhenomII 6 core or FX 6 core?
Price diff was $30 and FX was I think .5GHZ faster too.


In gaming now it's almost all graphics card, yea..



From: Capricorn
blah blah blah


What? There were only 2 CPU's listed, it's clear who's talking about what.

_ChArMz

2011-10-30 22:13:22

From: YoHoJo
I unno. Lot cheaper :)? I'm just and AMD guy but I'll tell him.


i see like $10 - 15 difference for a better CPU..

(you can make up that difference with not getting the toolkit..lol)

also

the 2500K is only 179.99 @ microcenter
the 2500 is $195 @ newegg

the FX 6100 is $190

also there are always deals going on

I really dont have any draw towards intel or AMD, I go for what is better..

Silent

2011-10-31 02:16:53

From: _ChArMz
i see like $10 - 15 difference for a better CPU..

(you can make up that difference with not getting the toolkit..lol)

also

the 2500K is only 179.99 @ microcenter
the 2500 is $195 @ newegg

the FX 6100 is $190

also there are always deals going on

I really dont have any draw towards intel or AMD, I go for what is better..


<3 Microcenter, but the Phenom is only $169… overclock to 3.6GHz like I did… Power machine.. My CPU has yet to go over like 50% of it's full potential….

YoHoJo

2011-10-31 02:51:22

SPY, what are you ram timings and MHZ?

grats

2011-10-31 03:12:53

From: _ChArMz
i see like $10 - 15 difference for a better CPU..

(you can make up that difference with not getting the toolkit..lol)

also

the 2500K is only 179.99 @ microcenter
the 2500 is $195 @ newegg

the FX 6100 is $190

also there are always deals going on

I really dont have any draw towards intel or AMD, I go for what is better..


intels quad cores are better than amd's hexicores? I was pretty sure the 2 extra cores are much much better for multiple processes

cause

2011-10-31 03:28:52

@Grats, yeah the intel quad cores do score better for regular use, where as the AMD's are good for multithreaded applications, such as intensive video editing. Yohojo is your friend a gamer or a video editor? Because if he's not using intensive multithreaded applications I would either go with the i5 (delightfully overclockable) or the AMD phenom series (also very overclockable). I was doing a lot of reading on the new Bulldozer chips and there aren't very many programs out there that make full use of the multithreading. Who knows though, windows 8 is on its way :p.

kingarabian

2011-10-31 03:28:58

From: grats
intels quad cores are better than amd's hexicores? I was pretty sure the 2 extra cores are much much better for multiple processes


Grats you need to realize we are still in the 4 core era. Most games, programs, and software have not utilized past 4 cores. 6 cores is future proof yes, and it is useful for gfx people that render videos and such. But right now an OC'd Phenom x4 will run any game you throw at it.

Silent

2011-10-31 20:08:30

From: YoHoJo
SPY, what are you ram timings and MHZ?


timings are 9-9-9-24 and DDR 3 1333. Stock settings


From: kingarabian
Grats you need to realize we are still in the 4 core era. Most games, programs, and software have not utilized past 4 cores. 6 cores is future proof yes, and it is useful for gfx people that render videos and such. But right now an OC'd Phenom x4 will run any game you throw at it.


From: cause
@Grats, yeah the intel quad cores do score better for regular use, where as the AMD's are good for multithreaded applications, such as intensive video editing. Yohojo is your friend a gamer or a video editor? Because if he's not using intensive multithreaded applications I would either go with the i5 (delightfully overclockable) or the AMD phenom series (also very overclockable). I was doing a lot of reading on the new Bulldozer chips and there aren't very many programs out there that make full use of the multithreading. Who knows though, windows 8 is on its way :p.


From: grats
intels quad cores are better than amd's hexicores? I was pretty sure the 2 extra cores are much much better for multiple processes


You are all saying the same thing lol.

YoHoJo

2011-10-31 20:22:16

I noticed that also. King/Grats are saying same thing, no argument there.
Silent, I have the 1055T (Bascially non black version of yours) it's great!
Honestly you can OC this one just as much as the black edition :D (saves money!)
You should try to OC ram too. Get like 1600Mhzish

Brandon

2011-10-31 20:44:05

OMG… To the guy flaming grats about cores.. how bout u go do ur own research… gtfo u intel fanboy..

The Bulldozer is definitely better than the thuban.. don't listen to that retard… He just copies whatever he hears on overclock.net..

Anyone taking a computer hardware and technician course can tell this noob that the benchmark sites clearly support the Intel Architectures more than it does for AMD.. The specs on the Bulldozer 8 Core definitely outweigh that of the Thuban but yet it scored a lower benchmark which is clearly bs.. Not only that but AMD CLEARLY stated that the drivers aren't fully developed for the chipset so how bout u stop fuckin flaming cuz u think u know ur shit.. The thing just got released and yet your comparing to something already fully developed.. Just pike down cuz the only thing u were right about is that U can't have L3 without L2 And L1..

Silent

2011-10-31 20:54:34

From: YoHoJo

Silent, I have the 1055T (Bascially non black version of yours) it's great!
Honestly you can OC this one just as much as the black edition :D (saves money!)
You should try to OC ram too. Get like 1600Mhzish


Definitely going to try this soon, although I have yet to even come close to pushing my memory…

YoHoJo

2011-10-31 20:57:30

I'm a really novice overclocker but I've read up a lot and benchmared and tweaked stuff so I know what I'm doing for the most part.

Currently have my 1055T at 3.5Ghz at 21C under some load.
RAM is 1666MHz at 8-9-9-1

Can probably push it even more, but it's already way more than I need!

cause

2011-10-31 22:03:06

Yoho, whats your cooling setup? That's a decent OC!

YoHoJo

2011-10-31 22:09:37

Yeah learned all I know about OCing just by reading up and this CPU is VERY EASY to OC.
LOTS of people get 4.0 easy.

I just put in Corsair A70 last week, it is AMAZING.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181011
Normally costs 67.99 but with all the sales and mail in rebates and stuff it came down to 27.99 so it was really hard to resist. So glad I bought it it works AMAZING.

Silent

2011-10-31 23:49:01

From: YoHoJo
Yeah learned all I know about OCing just by reading up and this CPU is VERY EASY to OC.
LOTS of people get 4.0 easy.

I just put in Corsair A70 last week, it is AMAZING.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181011
Normally costs 67.99 but with all the sales and mail in rebates and stuff it came down to 27.99 so it was really hard to resist. So glad I bought it it works AMAZING.


Nice cooler, what case are you using? Mine usually runs at 39 C, using stock cooler :p. My case has a lot of fans though, that's why I'm wondering what one you have.

YoHoJo

2011-11-01 00:09:20

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

Two front, one top, one back fan.
+ The Two on the cooler :D.
Once again, AMAZING COOLER!!!

Capricorn

2011-11-01 00:30:50

From: Nava2
I'd say go with the FX core as you are future-proofing. They are also better on power than their Phenom counter parts.

Plus, its always cool to have the newest stuff :stirthepot:

Bulldozer is horrible really, it's only really good for something that can ALL the threading capabilities.

The only time it comes close to or beats Intel's i5/i7 is when you have a program using ALL of the resources on a BD chip.

That may be decent if future programs come to support 8 threads (I highly doubt they will) but an important thing to note is that software moves really, really slow. A lot of stuff is still single threaded, and BD sucks huge ass in single threaded.

It doesn't matter if you have six trillion billion cores if that software that was contracted to Indian code monkeys only uses one thread

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4955/41690.png

From: Markus
Just thread hijacking here, but imagine your granny/other semi computer-illiterate uses a PC and it's slow. €200 gives me new motherboard, CPU, 4gb of RAM and a 80gb SSD which is plenty because out of the current 160gb HDD, only 30/40gb is used after 5 years. Would it be worth the money in terms of snappiness?

SSD in general make a computer feel a lot snappier. What you'll want to do is move your grandmas download/picture/movie/music folder onto the HDD though. In my opinion a SSD is probably one of the better upgrades to buy that will make your computer feel snappy. It's kind of like upgrading from 1 gb of ram to 2 or something.


From: YoHoJo
I unno. Lot cheaper :)? I'm just and AMD guy but I'll tell him.

I don't know how the 4 and 6 core BD performs, but I'm curious. I haven't decided on them yet because I haven't seen any benchmarks yet, but I'm curious because they are at a lower price and hopefully better able to compete.

Intel has a big gap between the i3-2400 and the i5-2500k, the only problem is AMD would be cutting into their product lines too.

From: kingarabian
Grats you need to realize we are still in the 4 core era. Most games, programs, and software have not utilized past 4 cores. 6 cores is future proof yes, and it is useful for gfx people that render videos and such. But right now an OC'd Phenom x4 will run any game you throw at it.

I don't think most people are even going to bother to fix up their software for highly parallel computing. It's a lot of extra work. Games have it easier because they can split up the audio and physics from the graphics, but that still gets you maybe only 4 threads. Soon we'll hit the wall for how far we can parallelize our programs and we're probably already hitting there. Sure there are some problems that have nice beautiful solutions that we could throw 1000 cores at, but if 10% of it is still only single threaded it doesn't matter how many cores we throw at it because that 10% still can only be done by one core. Amdahl's law article on wikipedia covers this fairly well.

From: ggzz
OMG… To the guy flaming grats about cores.. how bout u go do ur own research… gtfo u intel fanboy..

The Bulldozer is definitely better than the thuban.. don't listen to that retard… He just copies whatever he hears on overclock.net..

Anyone taking a computer hardware and technician course can tell this noob that the benchmark sites clearly support the Intel Architectures more than it does for AMD.. The specs on the Bulldozer 8 Core definitely outweigh that of the Thuban but yet it scored a lower benchmark which is clearly bs.. Not only that but AMD CLEARLY stated that the drivers aren't fully developed for the chipset so how bout u stop fuckin flaming cuz u think u know ur shit.. The thing just got released and yet your comparing to something already fully developed.. Just pike down cuz the only thing u were right about is that U can't have L3 without L2 And L1..


Yeah, so if games support Intel better why in the world would you buy AMD?(for a gaming PC)

And really? You're going to pay full price for a CPU that still needs "drivers"? And no, I don't give a shit about synthetic benchmarks because I don't sit on my ass all day playing 3dmax. All I know is that in World of Warcraft, Dragon Age, Dirt 3, Dawn of War II, Crysis Warhead and who knows how many other games, the FX-8150 delivers lower FPS than the 1100T. I don't look at brand names, just the numbers. Check my posts bro, I think you'll find I've been happy to suggest AMD before.

grats

2011-11-01 00:38:57

From: kingarabian
Grats you need to realize we are still in the 4 core era. Most games, programs, and software have not utilized past 4 cores. 6 cores is future proof yes, and it is useful for gfx people that render videos and such. But right now an OC'd Phenom x4 will run any game you throw at it.


What? You only run one program at once?

Normally I'll eat up my 8cores on my server pretty easily when rendering stuff

chitin

2011-11-01 03:52:32

fk i let things go. since when does amd have a hex core… and omg i was tryn to build a similar computer…for like 3k$ more…. failz. ima look up everything you just put on.

YoHoJo

2011-11-01 04:09:55

From: chitin
fk i let things go. since when does amd have a hex core… and omg i was tryn to build a similar computer…for like 3k$ more…. failz. ima look up everything you just put on.


Hell they have OCTAcores now dude.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960

chitin

2011-11-01 05:59:46

From: YoHoJo
Hell they have OCTAcores now dude.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960


yeah i was just doing research for about …oh wow my last post was exactly 2 hrs….so yeah i just been doing research for 2 hrs on pc components and i saw the amd fx, but on the amd website it didnt have a buy option for the fx processor????? it had links to some sellers including new egg. i was also trying to fig out if this octo-core would be compatible with ddr4 sdram when (and if) it comes out in 2012 like its supposed to…but no avail….any insight on that? suprisingly its octo core for 250$? wtf? i was also lookin for 12mb cache on l3 but right now im willing to forget the cache as long as u help me fig out how the fk im supposed to get my hands on the 8 core? :confused:

it says out of stock…
amd says not selling / not out??????
and i just googled a post/article issued today with an fx 8150 setup???? or is that an insider's scoop?

halp i wants naoooooooooooooo. well ill only get it if its ddr4 compatible…
otherwise i might wait and just save for a bit

edit:nvm theres a utube video right below the newegg post. :duh:

Silent

2011-11-01 17:04:13

From: YoHoJo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

Two front, one top, one back fan.
+ The Two on the cooler :D.
Once again, AMAZING COOLER!!!


OO the Antec 900… I'm rocking this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156062

Two on the left, One on the right.
One on front and back. Then of course CPU fan, gfx fan, and PSU fan…

Under max load I get up to 57 C.

cause

2011-11-01 18:39:18

yoho thats a sick cooler and a better price. My next build I'll probably get a similar cooler (tuniq tower has always looked awesome ;) ) and dunk the whole thing in mineral oil. I have some ideas for passive cooling with copper piping.