SRL Archive - Discussions and Debates

As Fawk clearly said before:- "This is a non-leeching community. Participate or leave, please", I propose the idea to prune all accounts that haven't became a SRL Member within 4 weeks. With this, I think there could possibly be 2 new groups, Intermediate and Advanced SRL Members, to separate good scripting ability's with the standard new Members ability. What this would encourage is people actually participating and posting material instead of leeching it.

All I see now is members that haven't been accepted to SRL Member status yet and free accounts. I think this idea, or deleting every topic in the SRL Free Scripts section should be considerd by someone with the ability to do such a task. I don't mind leechers, but today I was mortified when I saw someone asking to post a script from SRL members to SRL free section, I think that(I'll find link) was the main reason of me posting this thread.

Also, I'm sure any veteran would agree the SRL Member status is almost life-less, with a lot of outdated scripts. :(

Pretty decent idea. Im for it

I agree! Leachers suck. If they don't give back to the community, they suxx0rz. :p

i dont think we should delete people, but i do think deleting every topic from the SRL free scripts a good idea
i think they shouldnt get scripts like that guild miner or that powerminer
i really dont think wizzup?'s essence miner and varrok east miner should be in free scripts

they could continue to release their own scripts if they want, but not any of the scripts that were they before

hows this for a rule? once you become a SRL member, you lose the ability to make a topic in the SRL free scripts section

I think more 'elite' scripts should remain in the members section, but people can do what they want with their own work.

One reason is that it DISCOURAGES people from trying to learn to script. Look at Wizzups Varrock East miner. There were like 5 requests for a Varrock East miner over the last couple of months. 2 were released by Mage of Begu and another guy (his FIRST script). When Wizzup puts his in the Free Script section, who is going to use the other two and give those guys feedback? Why should they keep working on their scripts instead of just giving up and leeching a better one?

I think Free Scripts should be for two things. Scripts that teach by example without doing everything for you (Potato Responder) and scripts of any quality level by junior members that are learning. Putting amazing scripts there does more harm than good if you ask me.

Tarajunky really said all that needs to be said, I am 100% agreement. Only thing left is for the admins to take some action.

I think the leechers in members section is a bigger problem. We've gotten better with the standards for apps, but that's not the only thing. When SRL went private and public again, everyone got member status, so now there a lots of leecher members. I think the members section needs pruning, and the free section needs to be not as much of a leecher breeding ground, like tarajunky is saying.

A time limit on becoming member would only make them rush and increase bad apps. I think we need to do more to bump everyone up a notch. That is, silent leechers -> noobs who at least give proggies -> learning to script -> able to write a simple powerminer -> beginner member -> better member -> dev etc. There are more stages in between, and call them what you want, but the point is for everyon to improve.

So we don't want to prune the non members, just get them learning. As tarajunky said, scripts that teach but you still need to put work in helps.

Also, when you do post scripts in free section, only release the next version to those that respond.

Now the task of improving everyones skills so that they get bumped up a level is a daunting task, as there are so many, with more coming every day, and we can't keep up with it. I propose what we have now closes its doors, but leaves another section for new people, including tuts, a couple basic scripts to get them interested, SRL (a stable basic version for SCAR 2.03 only) download of course, for lack of a better name, Level 1. The current lowest level would be level 2. Once the situation improves in level 2, the ones with the most promise from level 1 can move to level 2. Level 1 would be carefully designed to spell out everything needed, so we wouldn't be wasting our time answering questions like 'error SRL does not exist- you need to download srl duh!'. Level 1 would have no bankers, super noob proof tuts, how to auto correctly, a nooby autofighter to get to cmb 20, stuff so that they have a basic understanding before getting to level 2, and so that it sparks their interest enough to work for level 2.

While this is happening, we can get everyone (that wants to) up to speed in level 2. Any 0 posters would get bumped down to level 1. This is where we can help people learn to script well enough so that their application for member gets accepted. Anyone in level 2 has been in level 1 for at least <insert time frame here> so they at least know the deal, and won't waste our time.

Now I know the whole reason SRL is an open community is the belief that more leechers = more scripters, and making an 'outside' section seems to go against that. However I slightly disagree with that belief. I don't think that in every batch of 1000 leechers there is the next Fakawi waiting, because I don't think that great scripters are born, I think they are made. Sure, natural talent in math and more importantly logic help, and of course previous programming experience helps. And sure, if you try to teach a bunch of noobs, not all of them will make the cut, it is PARTLY a numbers game. But I think we have enough non members here that we can focus on quality instead of quantity, and get a good chunk up to member standards, without getting more leechers. And same goes for the need for more devs.

Now I'm not saying that all the future great scripters are here already, there still may be people that are just discovering RS, and then cheating, and then or autoing. Which is what level 1 is for. Sort of a damn, to stop the flood, but we can control it and let a little through the way we want.

I think this could really lessen the strain on the community caused by leechers, and also increase the amount of good members and devs (the future of the cheating community is becoming increasingly worrisome as there doesn't seem to be enough talent coming in to keep it going).

Damn thats a long post :p

I vote, we delete all in the free scripts, and don't let any too good scripts go in there. Any said to be to good should be members only to encourage progression.

I do remember how I came to scripting..I started off by finding Kaitnieks, logged on, I didn't know what a leecher was, but I grabbed all those scripts, then took off. I didn't auto that much, I think I tried but couldn't get it, and then I remember it dying and it said SRL community still alive. So, I went off, and googled, and googled, and googled, and finally found, leeched, came back in about 3 months, cuz of the new falador I couldnt' auto with Stupid's Powerminer or guild miner, so I decided to learn. So hm…

1. Leeched.
2. Leeched more.
3. Script quit.
4. Learned.

If this would still be the case, I could have never learned. I dunno if thats just a special case for me, but still, I know some people that also did that. But ya I agree with Boreas idea mainly, more lvls WOULD increase the forum space I believe, but maybe for the better..?

i tried to leech but didnt even know how to put a script into scar :p !

so i never got around to leeching.. just learned cause i saw it worked..

but i think we shouldn't del mems

we should make it so the "better" scripts do not get givin away to leechers…

ya im basicly agreeing XD :p

definitely a lot of really good ideas. I say dont release the really good scripts in the free section. but as tarajunky said, people can do whatever they want with THEIR work, so i guess its up to them. but i dont think we should just start deleting people because you dont just start out a good scripter, you start out a leecher. Someone that has the authority should look into some of these thoughts and do something about it.

From: mjordan
i dont think we should just start deleting people because you dont just start out a good scripter, you start out a leecher.

The point I was originally trying to make was people would rather leech member scripts than take 15-30 minutes following some tutorials and writing some noob scripts and expanding on that to apply to SRL members.

There are defiantly some good points that people have posted here, while I agree people shouldn't post uber scripts in the free section, it has it's pros and cons:-

Pros
It helps people see the standard of work produced in the Members section.
Cons
People don't need to apply to SRL members if they get near-enough scripts in the free section, cancelling out the good points for a lot of people.

From: Yakman
i dont think we should delete people, but i do think deleting every topic from the SRL free scripts a good idea
i think they shouldnt get scripts like that guild miner or that powerminer
i really dont think wizzup?'s essence miner and varrok east miner should be in free scripts

they could continue to release their own scripts if they want, but not any of the scripts that were they before

Amen.

This seems like a excellent idea. If people want the good scripts, make em work for it.

I also like the idea of a level in between member and dev. Maybe senior member?

From: The Un-Named

Pros
It helps people see the standard of work produced in the Members section.

There can be scripts that have the same standard of quality, but don't let them gain too much so that they wouldn't feel the need to go further. IE: powerminers/choppers, smithers, cookers, anything that isn't much use without another script, or playing legitly. This may make people complain '0mgz0rs, theres nuthin kewl here!', but the potentials scripters will see learning to script to get the other scripts as worth it, and the real leechers will get bored and go away.

I think most of us learned script to because the other scripts weren't good enough or didn't do what we wanted (genodemons agility runner in my case).


Yea level between member and dev is good.

And another below member, for non members who aren't leechers, who are trying to learn, or at least giving feedback and proggies. Even if it only opens up a new help forum (where we will be more inclined to help because the questions won't be about how to run scripts/download srl etc), it will still encourage people. Because it's tough in the beginning, when 'hello world' seems so far away from RS scripts, but if they have a title/rank/namecolor when they stop being a leecher, they will be less likely to give up and go back to leeching.

Im all in for this stuff :p

Sarcasm / Note

Please remember that if you make long post people tend not to read them. Try to make them short Exciting and filled with infomation. DONT BE A BOREAS!

Sarcasm / Note

lawl i dont really even want to take the time reading big post XD

just playing with your Boreas.

(i think this post i made is to big for myself XD)

From: Dark_Sniper
Im all in for this stuff :p

Sarcasm / Note

Please remember that if you make long post people tend not to read them. Try to make them short Exciting and filled with infomation. DONT BE A BOREAS!

Sarcasm / Note

lawl i dont really even want to take the time reading big post XD

just playing with your Boreas.

(i think this post i made is to big for myself XD)

Hehe separate the paragraphs and think of it as 4 posts.

(Besides I think that anyone with the power to do something about this thread will read every single word :p )

Some people may go un active cuz thy probably go overseas for holiday or sumthing and if u delete them it wudnt be fair.

No, hes true, i didnt want to read it :p…

I agree on most idea's and am too lazy to write any quality post right now …

From: The Un-Named
I propose the idea to prune all accounts that haven't became a SRL Member within 4 weeks.

I can assure you that we won't just delete leechers,
We need them to keep the forum up and running.
Plus SRL has grown to a large community now, and I never saw the use of Pruning Users.

From: The Un-Named
Also, I'm sure any veteran would agree the SRL Member status is almost life-less, with a lot of outdated scripts. :(

Read the rest of my post. :)

From: Yakman
i dont think we should delete people, but i do think deleting every topic from the SRL free scripts a good idea
i think they shouldnt get scripts like that guild miner or that powerminer
i really dont think wizzup?'s essence miner and varrok east miner should be in free scripts

Those scripts are there to display the power of SRL, and to keep this community growing.
Everyone starts as a leecher.

From: tarajunky
I think more 'elite' scripts should remain in the members section

I think if you'd just take out the more elite scripts, few users that register will stay, and try to either search for another macro or give up Rs macro'ing.
You want them to learn from the free scripts made by other free users?
I don't think you will see any "scripts" apart from autotalkers and "beta" scripts.

From: tarajunky
but people can do what they want with their own work.

You are totally just in your statement. ;)

From: tarajunky

One reason is that it DISCOURAGES people from trying to learn to script. Look at Wizzups Varrock East miner. There were like 5 requests for a Varrock East miner over the last couple of months. 2 were released by Mage of Begu and another guy (his FIRST script). When Wizzup puts his in the Free Script section, who is going to use the other two and give those guys feedback? Why should they keep working on their scripts instead of just giving up and leeching a better one?

I have noted that some guys gave up because I released certain scripts,
but of any one the guys I noted, are now a SRL Member, or will most likely become one soon.

I feel very sorry for any guys I have recently discouraged with my releases,
But I got the feeling that they can also learn from my scripts?

Like you said:

From: tarajunky
I think Free Scripts should be for two things. Scripts that teach by example without doing everything for you (Potato Responder)

They could also start learning from scripts that are better that theirs, and start learning even more scripts tricks.
I do not mind if they use snippets of my code in their scripts,
or just totally edit my script for their own use.

From: tarajunky
and scripts of any quality level by junior members that are learning.

What would that help them learn, the only thing they will learn is to make Junior Member scripts?

I also don't think I have ever ignored one single post or question on my thread, nor any of the PM's I have been send.

I personally see my scripts are scripts that are ofcourse being leeched, but
are also a great learning tool!
I actually tried to make my scripts quite easy to read, and also understand.
I mean, come on, whats so hard about understanding and learning from my VEM?

The "better leecher", would start learning more and eventually become SRL Member, in which you are quite stringent and severe.
Which is ofcourse no problem, I think if someone tries to become SRL Member by copy'ing someone else's script should not be made member.
But on certain occassions I would have personally let the appliant in, because I saw he really wanted to learn. But to mellow my statement about you being a bit stern on SRL Member Appliants,
I wanted to say you SRL Members are doing a great job! No doubt in my mind about that.

Short Summary:

- My Scripts are being leeched, no doubt about that.
- My Scripts help learning how to script.
- I don't mind if they use snippets of my code, or just totally edit it to fit to their needs. :)

From: The Un-Named
Also, I'm sure any veteran would agree the SRL Member status is almost life-less, with a lot of outdated scripts. :(

I do get your point, but if it's the scripts you are after, you can also download them from the "SRL Free Scripts" Section?
Anyway, I think most of the SRL Member scripts are very nice aswell aren't they?
Most scripts made by SRL Members and above of course are cool. :)

Wow wizzy you made me poop my pants with that post XD.

ATLEAST HE SUMMURIZED IT AT THE END!!!!!! WOOT!

From: The Un-Named
As Fawk clearly said before:- "This is a non-leeching community. Participate or leave, please", I propose the idea to prune all accounts that haven't became a SRL Member within 4 weeks. With this, I think there could possibly be 2 new groups, Intermediate and Advanced SRL Members, to separate good scripting ability's with the standard new Members ability. What this would encourage is people actually participating and posting material instead of leeching it.

All I see now is members that haven't been accepted to SRL Member status yet and free accounts. I think this idea, or deleting every topic in the SRL Free Scripts section should be considerd by someone with the ability to do such a task. I don't mind leechers, but today I was mortified when I saw someone asking to post a script from SRL members to SRL free section, I think that(I'll find link) was the main reason of me posting this thread.

Also, I'm sure any veteran would agree the SRL Member status is almost life-less, with a lot of outdated scripts. :(

Only one thing i dont agree with there. That's like saying, if you don't learn and get accepted in four weeks then your deleted. It took me 4 tries to get in(one was leeched script lol :O), at once a week. That's four weeks, and it took me at least a month to learn. I say we should make it 10 weeks.

Yeah I agree the SRL member scripts is kind of lifeless, not that I care though, (:rolleyes:), but I think being an SRL member you should have certain awards and advantages? People would probably be leechers forever if they're able to obtain everything they need as a junior member, but then again people who would like to learn would attempt to learn..

my suggestion on this:

- Prune active users that never say anything, aka I leech ftw.
- Incourage people to start posting more scripts in the members section.
- Update your old scripts, and repost.
- Delete inactive bad script topics in the members section.

Heh, Wizzup, how the hell (sorry) do people learn from your or sum's or other excelling scripter people's stuff??? ROFL, they take a look at that and poop themselves, thinking "WoW, I'll NEVER get there. I might as well leech then leave!" I mean, that is what I get from looking at Fawki's and yoru scripts..????

From: Ejjman1
Heh, Wizzup, how the hell (sorry) do people learn from your or sum's or other excelling scripter people's stuff??? ROFL, they take a look at that and poop themselves, thinking "WoW, I'll NEVER get there. I might as well leech then leave!" I mean, that is what I get from looking at Fawki's and yoru scripts..????

Learn then, ROFL. The only thing that makes me go wow, is Lorax's Hue Saturation and Luminance thing. I don't get it. ??? :[

From: Wizzup?
I wanted to say you SRL Members are doing a great job! No doubt in my mind about that.

No doubt, we denied DaWu like 4 times and look what has happened. At first it seemed he got discouraged and we were like "Oh crap he's being a retard" then he seemed resolve to make us think we spoke to soon.

Another reason for sort of closing the doors but leaving a part outside is the amount of spamming advertisers, and people like diamondhero and another the other day that have a hissy fit and spam up the place with swear words.

:) it all seems so much more simple when explained by Wizzy…..

The guildminer has been there for a long time. If people want to learn from an advanced script, that one is as good as any. It has mapwalking, autocoloring, mining, anti-randoms, multi-player, banking, etc. I don't think the Essence Miner and VEM are 'teaching people' any more than the guildminer already was.

I have 3 versions of my Chickenkiller. The very best one available is in the Dev section. A good version is in the members' section. And I have the ChickenSweeper in the free scripts section, which doesn't attack the chickens, but cooks chickens and buries bones. That provides an incentive for people to try to improve while giving people good quality, stable scripts. Sure, I would like to have another 10 or 20 leechers running up my script stats. Maybe my script would be closing in on 200,000 minutes by now if I had. But I thought that releasing it to the Free Scripts section would be counter-productive for the reasons I mentioned before.

Wizzy could have released a Varrock East miner that only mines copper and tin. That would 'teach' just as much as his current version does. He could use it as a preview and say that one with iron mining enabled is available to members. That way you provide a script with inherent value without giving away the farm, or handing it to people on a silver platter.

If we're truly "not a leeching community" then I think we should start acting like it.

How many non-members like people who are green, release scripts with mapwalking? Maybe 1/8 probably? Well, if people want to learn from scripts, which I learned walking when I became member, I am guessing almost 4/5 SRL members know walking, and possibly learned from scripts. So why have these advanced things in non-member section for people to learn? SRL members can just go into member ssection and look..?

I do get your point, but if it's the scripts you are after, you can also download them from the "SRL Free Scripts" Section?
Anyway, I think most of the SRL Member scripts are very nice aswell aren't they?
Most scripts made by SRL Members and above of course are cool. :)

I'm slowly(very slowly) returning to RS cheating simply because of the fact I can now use my brother's pc when I like. I'm on a laptop, and use it a lot, so the fact of using it almost 24/7 puts me off a lot. But anyway I'm not here for the scripts. I'm starting to take a look at scripting again but my ability's where never that great and I'm finding the more advanced scripts to make becoming easier than simple scripts like miners. I'd much rather talk about advanced scripting procedures and working around things(as my stat sig(that is set-up so it fully works, on both pc's)) suggest. Hopefully I'll be releasing a script over the weekend that should work flawless. :)

From: WhiteShadow
Yeah I agree the SRL member scripts is kind of lifeless, not that I care though, (:rolleyes:), but I think being an SRL member you should have certain awards and advantages? People would probably be leechers forever if they're able to obtain everything they need as a junior member, but then again people who would like to learn would attempt to learn..

my suggestion on this:

- Prune active users that never say anything, aka I leech ftw.
- Incourage people to start posting more scripts in the members section.
- Update your old scripts, and repost.
- Delete inactive bad script topics in the members section.

I like these ideas, the prune active non-posting members a lot more than everyone, about deleting members scripts I was originally thinking of having a feedback system and an option to move it to an archived board, as I think all the SRL members are mature enough to have the responsibility to do this, and it keeps working scripts for people. Or another option would be that it needs 1/8th of the current SRL members to vote for it to be moved the archive board, it might be a little complicated to do but just another option/

PS, you mean encourage, right? :P

mabey srl-members scripts trial versions could be released?

it would make leechers want to script so they could be a srl member.

Doesn't scar have some sort of signed script thing? This would keep trials from being cracked so easily i guess.

I think we should prune nonmembers with 0 post count and last login 5 months ago. Why? Because someone at Mopars with 0 post count and last login 5 months ago is using my name.

I was one of/the person that release a varrock east miner right after Wizzup. Sure I was downcast knowing that of course Wizzup's would get much more attention but if people are truly not leechers that will not stop them. I went ahead and applied and got accepted. For making my script I needed a lot of the scripts in the free section to look back on for reference to figure out how to do something (Wizzup and Ejj, thanks guys). I never took something directly but I referenced them to learn it. So I think the scripts should stay, maybe take a few features out of them or do what SonOfSheep said and release trial versions that people use to learn.

As for getting rid of free users, their are quite a few people who are active and know how to script. But if someone has never posted and they have been a member of the forum for 1 week then they are probably a leecher and should be removed.

communities like this need leechers to survive. give them a break, everyone used to be one, once.

like tara said if a guy is working on a script ess miner, but then a well known scripter realses one, the other coming up guy wont want to work on those. because everyone else is using the well known guys.

From: Thick As Blood
communities like this need leechers to survive. give them a break, everyone used to be one, once.

Theres a difference between being a leecher and a noob. That is why Boreas's idea of the different levels and 'flood-gates' works perfectly. You stop all the leechers outside. Noobs and test-dummies will be separated from the leechers but we will still help teach them so they can learn more and hopefully pass to the next level. It's the best of both worlds.

From: Boreas
Another reason for sort of closing the doors but leaving a part outside is the amount of spamming advertisers, and people like diamondhero and another the other day that have a hissy fit and spam up the place with swear words.

I Agree with boreas. I deal with this on a daily basis at other forums, I think it's a great idea.

After reading this thread, I agree with both sides. When I came to SRL forums I didn't know how to script. I think I was looking for Tarajunky's Chicken Killer actually.

I think that if someone wants to learn from a script that is made by Wizzup or someone else in the Free Scripts section, you would be able to tell them apart from a leecher. A leecher would run it without filling in Username/Nick and say, "omgf u nub u got n0 autolog n ranoms are broke".

I think that instead of completely taking away scripts, they should be posted with errors. The DeclarePlayers procedure could be posted towards the bottem, there could be missing parenthises, duplicate identifier "a"'s, etc. That would seperate the people that only press "Play" and complain, and the people that have a decent amount of Scar knoledge, or are willing to learn. There could also be a link to a tutorial, etc. Eventually people will say, hey, if I can do this, maybe I can script!

Or else, we can just take away the Wizzup Ess Miner and replace it with the Wizzup Auto Talker With Forms.

Well Yea I'm kinda agreeing with both sides here more-so to floodgate idea.
I know we have some good php people here and some networking people why don't we just have a piece of coding in all scripts that act like the SRL Stats thing, it sends a piece of info to a website / server and then the server replies with "Confirmed this user has 1 hour left to use this script," or something. Then in the script the part that is used to contact the server would also be needed for the script to run, so if they just deleted that line the script wouldn't run. I guess we'd need to obfuscate or encrypt the line of coding somehow, so they just couldn't get rid of the one part. Well thats my idea, its been said before but I thought I'd reiterate the idea.