SRL Archive - NOTA

I just got done watching the union, and all i can say is, how is pot illegal? the amount of pros substantially outweigh the cons.

discuss.

Pros and cons, like everything, are relative. To the end user, it's hard to say whether it's better for it to be legal or illegal. Yes, many people are arrested because of it. But, it also brings substantial funding to the government to keep it illegal. All in all, it can be better to have it illegal for monetary reasons. Ethically, it's better (matter of opinion, really) to make it legal.

Overall, a lot of people get fucked over because of it, but it makes the nice comfortable life you have a possibility.

Also, you're like 14. You should focus on school and a resume before you smoke weed. But, it is the summer, so have fun. Just don't get caught. Will fuck up the rest of your life, depending on the state you're in.

From: i luffs yeww
Pros and cons, like everything, are relative. To the end user, it's hard to say whether it's better for it to be legal or illegal. Yes, many people are arrested because of it. But, it also brings substantial funding to the government to keep it illegal. All in all, it can be better to have it illegal for monetary reasons. Ethically, it's better (matter of opinion, really) to make it legal.

Overall, a lot of people get fucked over because of it, but it makes the nice comfortable life you have a possibility.

Also, you're like 14. You should focus on school and a resume before you smoke weed. But, it is the summer, so have fun. Just don't get caught. Will fuck up the rest of your life, depending on the state you're in.

16 by the way, and the only reason pot currently is legal is because of economic reasons imo, it would save the government about 10 billion dollars, and plus count in the money made from actually taxing it.

but this leads to other problems, pharmaceutical companies would lose tons of profits because it has so many useful cures, and by the way, if you havent seen the movie the union, i highly suggest you watch it, it is very informational

I've seen far more about weed than you have. The Union barely talks about the legality apart from The Union itself.

And, like I said, if it were legal, they'd make a lot less money. There's a LOT more to it than you think.

From: i luffs yeww
I've seen far more about weed than you have. The Union barely talks about the legality apart from The Union itself.

And, like I said, if it were legal, they'd make a lot less money. There's a LOT more to it than you think.

well please explain, inform me.

I think you should take into consideration on how biased that movie is. Like Michael Moore's "Capitalism, A Love Story". He mentions all the bad things about Capitalism and really points fingers at how corrupt it is and the movie can really make you think, BUT it also doesn't show any of the good parts of Capitalism/free trade. …If you don't know who he is, Michael Moore is an avid Socialist so of course anything you hear from him is biased, and I'm not saying Socialism is absolutely evil either.

Basically, you should really look into both sides of the story rather than getting all your information from one source.

I'm busy with school, but you can watch a plethora of documentaries on the webs, yo. Hulu has a good selection, but they're all biased toward weed. You have to know a lot about far more than just weed to understand why it's illegal.

To start on your main question. Cannabis is illegal because of paper. Now you may be wondering what the hell does paper have to do with anything. Well I'll tell you. When paper was being manufactured the company wanted to make as much profit as possible, Hemp was a low cost alternative to paper and this is how the propaganda/prohibition of Marihuana/Marijuana began.

Hemp and paper are much a like they are used in the same way, the draft of the US constitution was written on hemp[1], now when hemp was first introduced as an alternative to paper the paper companies saw it as competitor and wanted it outlawed this is how Cannabis got its name Marihuana. Marihuana, or as people say now-a-days Marijuana, is a slang word for Cannabis that originated from Mexico.

Propaganda took off around 1937 by stating that Cannabis was a hideous, mind altering substance that should be outlawed. This is were you get the movie Reefer madness from, and the stereotypical view that only African Americans/Mexicans smoke Cannabis. As no one knew what Marihuana was they began accepting this as everyday knowledge which in turn made hemp look like a death drug. This made the hemp industry die and the paper industry boom as was wanted by the paper companies.

The reason it's illegal today is very simple. Money. The DEA make billions a year raiding house, & seizing assets. Pharmacists lobby for it to stay illegal so they can prescribe you a multitude of pills rather than prescribe Cannabis because they make more money from prescribing multiple pills rather than prescribing a quarter of weed every week.

Also, people have it stuck in their head that Cannabis is like meth, that it destroys people and makes then useless, I've been called a dope by my Dad many a times for smoking Cannabis and I think I've only just convinced him that Cannabis isn't all that bad, but being on a student visa if I get caught I get deported from the US and possibly never allowed back. This is why he's against my use of it.

It is viewed as a gateway drug which is pathetic because then milk is a gateway drug to coca cola and then most people move onto alcohol.

The stoner mentality is another reason people are swayed when voting for legalization. Some people are lazy and never get work done when they smoke but there are others, like myself, that love to work/learn about something. I've written scripts while high as I can think more clearly, don't get me wrong I can write a script perfectly fine when sober.

All it comes down to is that different people have different opinions and I'm fine with that but as I've said a thousand times what I do with my body should be my decision and I shouldn't have to fear for my life every time I go out and buy some Cannabis that I could be thrown in jail with murderers, rapists, or pedophiles.

The song below is by Mike Skinner who is a well known English artist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI

Live in holland.

From: YoHoJo

This. Rep++.

From: Geo
The stoner mentality is another reason people are swayed when voting for legalization. Some people are lazy and never get work done when they smoke but there are others, like myself, that love to work/learn about something. I've written scripts while high as I can think more clearly, don't get me wrong I can write a script perfectly fine when sober.

I also write my scripts while buzzing, I find it much easier to do and get more into what I'm doing.

From: Geo
All it comes down to is that different people have different opinions and I'm fine with that but as I've said a thousand times what I do with my body should be my decision and I shouldn't have to fear for my life every time I go out and buy some Cannabis that I could be thrown in jail with murderers, rapists, or pedophiles.

Amen to this. I would never hurt some1 unlike the messed up people that don't smoke weed that go in these prisons. I think its crazy that its illegal as there is also no known deaths from cannabis infact an english scientist that worked for the goverment was researching all about drugs and came out with the FACT that cannabis and extacy are the least harmful drugs, even less harmful than tabaco and alcholo, he was then sacked for talking the truth. He also found that there is no known toxins in cannabis and you would have to smoke 800 kilos in 2 mins to overdose (AND STILL NOT DIE)

Cannabis/hemp seeds also has all the amino acids needed for a human to live on fine so in other words you could use it to feed the 3rd world and stop all the malnutrition problems in them places.

In my eyes there is more things cannabis can help with than ever do harm but it can give you mental problems as i have encountered my self and seen a few good m8s go sour. We'll all in all i don't think it should be illegal there should be a world legalization and people should only use it as an when they NEED to and not abuse it.

Weed doesn't give you mental problems unless you have pre-existing conditions or the weed is cut with shit to make it heavy (common). Also, ecstasy is far more dangerous than LSD or weed, at least on a toxicity level. I would like to read the study, because I don't agree with it.

From: i luffs yeww
Weed doesn't give you mental problems unless you have pre-existing conditions or the weed is cut with shit to make it heavy (common). Also, ecstasy is far more dangerous than LSD or weed, at least on a toxicity level. I would like to read the study, because I don't agree with it.

Uhm, like with any other drug. Don't use it daily, it will have bad influences. But non are lethal, it just makes you slow. Your memory will greatly reduce. It also makes you more vulnerable to voices in your head, when schizophrenic is common in your family, don't use it too often.

From: i luffs yeww
Weed doesn't give you mental problems unless you have pre-existing conditions or the weed is cut with shit to make it heavy (common). Also, ecstasy is far more dangerous than LSD or weed, at least on a toxicity level. I would like to read the study, because I don't agree with it.

So weed don't make you paranoid ? As I have been smoking it since I was 10 years old (I'm now 27) I know what the problems you get off of smoking weed, the worse being damage to your lungs purely through the smoke side of things. Without a doubt it is a mind altering drug and can effect you mentally as I have my self gone into a state of depression and thoughts of suiside. 2 of my close friends also went off the rail, 1 thinking he was the anti crist and then ending up in the towers/mental home. He is now out of there and got his own house and is studying science and in his first year got a 2.1 which is just under the best (a first) so he is doing amazing considering. My other m8 god bless his soul has gone compleatly in his mind, hard to be near him without feeling weird your self but yet his hart is in the right place if that makes sence.

Here is a good read http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n1578.a06.html

I would love for you to watch what i have watched but it seems that it is not on bbc iplayer anymore, I think it was very strong in telling people it isn't harmful and thats why they don't wanna show it anymore :S

the link HERE to where it was and mayb a good idead is to look for it on a torrent or youtube if its on there.

E: found on youtube HERE
Very good program

it should be legal cause it's fucking aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesomes :D
yes

From: YoHoJo

hahaha

It should be legalized medicinally, but not recreationally. It has benefits for those with terminal/uncurabllle illnesses and such, but too many people abuse it as it is.

From: Tlachtli
It should be legalized medicinally, but not recreationally. It has benefits for those with terminal/uncurabllle illnesses and such, but too many people abuse it as it is.

awee killjoy
just make it legal, no harm done

I believe it's okay in moderation, every so often. Hell, I even do it every few weeks sometimes.

I need to buy more.

But seriously, Geo, nice post. :)

I do agree with the legalization of marijuana, but many disagree. There are a lot of stereotypes associated with it that really piss me off. Some people, like myself, are a 3.8 GPA Engineering student while working and taking extra courses. This is a feat not taken by most. Funny, I smoke weed. What up. I am successful, I work hard, I have no lack of motivation, and I want to see where my life takes me. This is a lot of the "new breed" of smokers. Granted, in the past this was not so. I work with a 57 y/o ex-hippie who still avidly smokes (and deals I think..) who because he was so into drugs when he was young never went to school. Now he makes just slightly more than I do working at the same factory and he has a family to support. Figure that..

There are other more obvious stereotypes, but I haven't the will to get into them right now.. just some thoughts there.. just contributing to the conversation. :)

If you thought I meant weed doesn't do anything to affect your mental state, I apologize. Not what I meant at all. But, say that it absolutely will damage your brain is also a bit foolish. I smoke quite often and my depression and anxiety have gone extremely down. My friends are all stable headed and have graduated highschool and some are in college. I'm just finishing my junior year, and my memory isn't any better or worse once I've been sober for a few days. Short term is only affected when I'm high, really.

In my opinion there is far too little concrete evidence about weed to say it's longtern effects. I think that anecdotal evidence is what really matters, but people are swayed one way or another from stories they hear, lies they may have heard, other substances in the weed to make it heavier hurting their body, etc. I know in Europe and other parts of the world it's rather common for dealers to cut their weed with glass, clay, dirt, random other chemicals, and anything else. All of these things are obviously harmful on the lungs and mind, but I still don't believe that weed is inherently detrimental to your health, physically or mentally.

From: Nava2

I do agree with the legalization of marijuana, but many disagree. There are a lot of stereotypes associated with it that really piss me off.

Yeah there is. There's a reason for that too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that weed makes you lethargic or stupid or anything like that. But it's not hard to walk around and look at the people who smoke weed - some of them just make me facepalm hard.

Some people just ruin it for everybody else, and it's sad that that has to be the case. A lot of the "wrong" people smoke weed, and when people see that it's very easy for them to blame it on weed because of all the stigma.

Isn't alcohol worse? Why isn't that banned? Not to mention, cigarettes are a lot more terrible for your health compared to pot. Yet those are legal?

Just some questions to think about. :)

Because prohibition doesn't work. Just makes things worse. And there's no way in tits that cigarettes will be illegal any time soon. Nor alcohol.

From: Smarter Child
Isn't alcohol worse? Why isn't that banned? Not to mention, cigarettes are a lot more terrible for your health compared to pot. Yet those are legal?

Just some questions to think about. :)

Alcohol can't be banned, just look in our history. Cigarettes got a huge lobby behind them. Wiet doesn't.

From: masterBB
Alcohol can't be banned, just look in our history. Cigarettes got a huge lobby behind them. Wiet doesn't.

I know that, I put those questions out there to portray how backwards society can be, alcohol and cigarettes are very unhealthy for us therefore they're legal, while weed has medicinal effects and they're illegal.

I understand there's money, controversy, business, etc, involved with all of it, however, looking at the simple facts of the matter:duh:

It's a bit naive to look at the simple facts.. Except if you just take money for an answer (which you should), of course.

From: i luffs yeww
It's a bit naive to look at the simple facts.. Except if you just take money for an answer (which you should), of course.

I disagree, you need to start simple. Although in my opinion, I am fine with marijuana being banned. I have never tried, and I doubt I ever will.

Well then start simple. >_> It's because of money. Case closed.

From: i luffs yeww
Well then start simple. >_> It's because of money. Case closed.

You win then. :p

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43508025

From: i luffs yeww
Well then start simple. >_> It's because of money. Case closed.

No. Not just money, money is for peasants and slaves….

edit: I'm getting a bit off topic. Weed should be fully legal, as it is our own responsibility to use it the right way.

Bumping with an infopic

While marijuana has health benefits, I doubt that's the reason people smoke pot.

It's no secret that people smoke weed recreationally. But, it would be nice for people to be prescribed it entirely legally, as it's much safer than modern medicine, albeit less effective in some cases.

It's a bit silly to say it will solve all of our problems and make the world better and all that stupid nonsense. Yet again, it's about money.

From: i luffs yeww
It's no secret that people smoke weed recreationally. But, it would be nice for people to be prescribed it entirely legally, as it's much safer than modern medicine, albeit less effective in some cases.

It's a bit silly to say it will solve all of our problems and make the world better and all that stupid nonsense. Yet again, it's about money.

Meaning it is essentially the drug companies that will lose the most if marijuana was legalised?

From: Smarter Child
Meaning it is essentially the drug companies that will lose the most if marijuana was legalised?

but you also have to think, they have been winning (more like dominating) the most for for a while now :o

From: Failpailirl
Bumping with an infopic

Nice :)

From: masterBB
Weed should be fully legal, as it is our own responsibility to use it the right way.

Agree totally with this.

I think all drugs should be legal and so do some very rich people if you read THIS

From: Smarter Child
Meaning it is essentially the drug companies that will lose the most if marijuana was legalised?

well fuck them, i fucking love it

I just find it annoying that tax payers are the ones who have to pay to throw these ones in jail.

From: cycrosism
I just find it annoying that tax payers are the ones who have to pay to throw these ones in jail.

i find it annoying that if you have a simple possesion charge you cant get a college loan, but if you rape or murder somebody you can.

From: Failpailirl
i find it annoying that if you have a simple possesion charge you cant get a college loan, but if you rape or murder somebody you can.

you serious? i'm gonna be more careful :/

From: footballjds
well fuck them, i fucking love it

Whether weed was legal or not, like many things it would need to be restricted.

Sure, just like you can't drink and drive. But if you get blazed till u start seeing shit (has not happened to me yet; would be awesome tho!) in your own house, it should be all cool.

From: LolL
Sure, just like you can't drink and drive. But if you get blazed till u start seeing shit (has not happened to me yet; would be awesome tho!) in your own house, it should be all cool.

Exactly, not to mention age restriction…

:p

From: HarryJames
I believe it's okay in moderation, every so often. Hell, I even do it every few weeks sometimes.

Same here, it's not really a big deal.

I'm not really sure if legalizing weed would be a good thing though. My main argument from both sides deal with the gateway part of it. It's true that if weed was legalized it would be harder to get for younger people. Weed is often viewed as a gateway drug, and legalizing it would cut off the "gateway aspect." The same people who sell weed are often the same who will offer up harder drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy. So if it was legalized weed smokers wouldn't have that easy bridge to other drugs. However, I'm not sure if younger people would turn to a more accessible drug if it was. I'm just unsure if legalizing it will push kids to "rebel" by trying other harder drugs instead to start off. Lots of people smoke only weed, but would the go to drug change to something else such as Cocaine?

All speculation, I'm sure tons of people are predicting the effects as we speak. As of now, I'm all for decriminalization. Still not sure if it should be legalized..

From: Cheesehunk
Same here, it's not really a big deal.

I'm not really sure if legalizing weed would be a good thing though. My main argument from both sides deal with the gateway part of it. It's true that if weed was legalized it would be harder to get for younger people. Weed is often viewed as a gateway drug, and legalizing it would cut off the "gateway aspect." The same people who sell weed are often the same who will offer up harder drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy. So if it was legalized weed smokers wouldn't have that easy bridge to other drugs. However, I'm not sure if younger people would turn to a more accessible drug if it was. I'm just unsure if legalizing it will push kids to "rebel" by trying other harder drugs instead to start off. Lots of people smoke only weed, but would the go to drug change to something else such as Cocaine?

All speculation, I'm sure tons of people are predicting the effects as we speak. As of now, I'm all for decriminalization. Still not sure if it should be legalized..

please, give me any link at all, that proves that marijuana is a gateway drug, honestly its like saying that coffee is a gateway drug to cigarettes or milk is a gateway drug to alcohol.

From: Cheesehunk
All speculation, I'm sure tons of people are predicting the effects as we speak. As of now, I'm all for decriminalization. Still not sure if it should be legalized..

I'm dutch. Same amount of people use weed. Same amount of people use hard drugs.

The only reason why I would want it to be legal is so that tax payers like my parents and me (a bit later on in life) aren't the ones who have to pay to throw these people in jail. Personally I don't smoke it and I probably never will.

From: cycrosism
Personally I don't smoke it and I probably never will.

You don't need to smoke it you could have a space cake or have it in tea ;) haha.

From: whacko999
You don't need to smoke it you could have a space cake or have it in tea ;) haha.

Some of the 'space cakes' they sell at head shops in the US are full of shit like melatonin. They're nothing but brownies full of pills. The only way they're able to do this is because they're selling it as a dietary supplement.

From: noidea
Some of the 'space cakes' they sell at head shops in the US are full of shit like melatonin. They're nothing but brownies full of pills. The only way they're able to do this is because they're selling it as a dietary supplement.

Very easy to make yourself, Dutch kitch: space/pancakes/brownies/macaroni/pizza and every other meal with butter in it.

THC is available in tablet form for those that want it prescribed as medicine, therefore weed does not need to be legal for medical use.

Any other argument about "money" is almost always easily disproved by the fact that many, many other countries in the world now allow hemp to be used commercially, BUT you don't see hemp dominating all these industries like fiber or paper or biofuels.

Sure, it COULD be used for all of those purposes, but for any one of those uses there is always another better, cheaper natural source.

From: Failpailirl
the amount of pros substantially outweigh the cons.

societal values, can't turn a housewife into a pothead

also no medicinal value, yeah im gonna cure my glaucoma by taking up smoking, great plan you should be a doctor.

From: blackfire553
societal values, can't turn a housewife into a pothead

also no medicinal value, yeah im gonna cure my glaucoma by taking up smoking, great plan you should be a doctor.

It doesn't have to be taken in the form of smoking. Obviously, any form of smoking is bad for your lungs, let alone a doctor prescribing it :duh:

From: blackfire553
societal values, can't turn a housewife into a pothead

also no medicinal value, yeah im gonna cure my glaucoma by taking up smoking, great plan you should be a doctor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_Investigational_New_Drug_program

Maybe do some research before saying weed has no medicinal value. That's just a very small example, and you can see documentaries about at least one of the people in that program (George McMahon). I really dislike when people say that it has no value as a medicine. There are tons of people who would be dead if they never smoked/ate/vaped weed.

And pills are pure THC, and THC itself isn't the best for you. There is more to weed than just that one chemical, which is why Marinol and whatever other one(s) there are are not a viable option (yet). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9J2N6_bl0A shows the difference between pure THC and liquid marijuana. And it's not just her that had that reaction; THC is the main psychoactive ingredient in weed, and CBD (among others) "combat" it's psychoactive properties (or some shit like that, lol I dunno right now).

LOL, I watched the video.

If someone goes to the doctor because they are in horrible pain from cancer, does it really matter if the prescribed pill gives a high or a bad trip? As long as the pain is numbed, I don't think the doctor is going to care if you enjoyed yourself or not.

And the drug companies can always blend in other components if it really reduces adverse side effects. And then there would be standardized dosages, rather than a person having no idea if they're buying high THC pot or low.

If people want it to be used medically it needs to be held to the same high standards and scrutiny as other medical drugs are.

From: tarajunky
LOL, I watched the video.

If someone goes to the doctor because they are in horrible pain from cancer, does it really matter if the prescribed pill gives a high or a bad trip? As long as the pain is numbed, I don't think the doctor is going to care if you enjoyed yourself or not.

And the drug companies can always blend in other components if it really reduces adverse side effects. And then there would be standardized dosages, rather than a person having no idea if they're buying high THC pot or low.

If people want it to be used medically it needs to be held to the same high standards and scrutiny as other medical drugs are.

To add to that, just as Tylenol-3's cannot be purchased "over-the-counter" an d it must have a doctor prescription, the same would go for THC. Generally, this eliminates the problem.

From: tarajunky
dat quote

I have thought about that quite a lot, and I don't think there's enough research to weigh my opinion. On one hand I do agree that consistent doses for medicine are better than people just taking it whenever, but one thing that I think is great about weed is that it can be "taken" as needed and there won't be any overdosing, side effects, or the like that modern western medicine would give you if you didn't take it consistently.

I also don't think it's a replacement for a good chunk of medicine, nor should it be used too self medicate, and talking to a physician is always a good choice if one is worried about their health.

I mostly want it to be legalized for recreational purposes to be honest. Pros outweigh the cons, in my opinion, to have drugs (weed, heroin, ecstasy, etc.) legal and regulated by the government.

From: whacko999
You don't need to smoke it you could have a space cake or have it in tea ;) haha.

I don't want to have it in my system at all haha :P

It's illegal because it was only discovered at a relatively recent date. Due to health and safety issues these days, many things that would have been legal if they were introduced 100/200 years ago aren't. We only have things like alcohol and tobacco because they've been in our culture for many years, and illegalising it would be far too much of a hassle. It's the same with things like cars, they're only legal because we depend on them.

From: Richard
It's illegal because it was only discovered at a relatively recent date. Due to health and safety issues these days, many things that would have been legal if they were introduced 100/200 years ago aren't. We only have things like alcohol and tobacco because they've been in our culture for many years, and illegalising it would be far too much of a hassle. It's the same with things like cars, they're only legal because we depend on them.

wat. Weed has been being used forever. It was "introduced" before the current era. It's illegal in America as both hemp and marijuana because some paper guy called it "marihuana/marijuana" for the first time and said how it was used by blacks and Mexicans and it made them look at white women twice and step on white men's shadows and made them perform other "unacceptable" acts. People didn't know that hemp was from the same plant which they just outlawed.

From: i luffs yeww
I have thought about that quite a lot, and I don't think there's enough research to weigh my opinion. On one hand I do agree that consistent doses for medicine are better than people just taking it whenever, but one thing that I think is great about weed is that it can be "taken" as needed and there won't be any overdosing, side effects, or the like that modern western medicine would give you if you didn't take it consistently.

I also don't think it's a replacement for a good chunk of medicine, nor should it be used too self medicate, and talking to a physician is always a good choice if one is worried about their health.

I mostly want it to be legalized for recreational purposes to be honest. Pros outweigh the cons, in my opinion, to have drugs (weed, heroin, ecstasy, etc.) legal and regulated by the government.

Boo hoo you can't get high legally, I can understand the pro's being the medicinal benefits, recreation doesn't matter imo.

From: Smarter Child
Boo hoo you can't get high legally, I can understand the pro's being the medicinal benefits, recreation doesn't matter imo.

lolwat? I smoke weed ERRDAY (not really). I live in Oregon, too, so it's pretty relaxed laws here.

The reason it'd be better to be legal (more so for harder drugs) and regulated by the government is because then people will have a lower chance of ODing due to not knowing the strength of what they're taking. I have a close friend who has almost OD'd a few times and has literally died before from not knowing the strength of the heroin she was doing.

There's more to it than getting high. You may say recreational use "doesn't matter," but you're being extremely naive for not accepting that people will do drugs for recreational purposes regardless of how bad it is for them, and that issue needs to be addressed.

Then again, this is just SRL, so it's not like a lot of the discussion about weed is thought out.

From: i luffs yeww
lolwat? I smoke weed ERRDAY (not really). I live in Oregon, too, so it's pretty relaxed laws here.

The reason it'd be better to be legal (more so for harder drugs) and regulated by the government is because then people will have a lower chance of ODing due to not knowing the strength of what they're taking. I have a close friend who has almost OD'd a few times and has literally died before from not knowing the strength of the heroin she was doing.

There's more to it than getting high. You may say recreational use "doesn't matter," but you're being extremely naive for not accepting that people will do drugs for recreational purposes regardless of how bad it is for them, and that issue needs to be addressed.

Then again, this is just SRL, so it's not like a lot of the discussion about weed is thought out.

Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.

From: Smarter Child
Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

From: Smarter Child
Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.

i dont mean to sound like a dick, but have you ever even actually smoked marajuana before? just a question

http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

From: Smarter Child
Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.

Lots of indigenous cultures use drugs to achieve altered state of consciousness. Not all of them are fun in the sun.

And as far as I am concerned it's not up to you to decide if a drug is worth a "risk". Are you a doctor? Are you the person taking the drugs?

I don't care if it's heroin, crack, meth, PCP, ketamine, weed, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, MDMA or cocaine. What you put in your body and consume is your business not mine. We can sit here and argue the dangers and benefits of drugs, or we can all realize that's stupid and let people do what they wish instead of trampling on their freedoms.

Valid reason or not, why does it matter if it's not you? (I'm not even going to get into what a "valid reason" even is)

From: Capricorn
I don't care if it's heroin, crack, meth, PCP, ketamine, weed, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, MDMA or cocaine.

You haven't witnessed the destructive nature of meth. It should be as illegal…

From: masterBB
You haven't witnessed the destructive nature of meth. It should be as illegal…

Like I said, I don't feel like getting into if X is bad/good. All I care about are personal freedoms.

I think it's more tragic for a person to die from a gang fight or from crazy drug cartels or a meth lab explosion then it is for a meth junkie to die from addiction. If meth were legal it would be easier for people to get help too, since they could openly say they do meth and not worry prosecution.

And what does it matter if I haven't witnessed the destructive nature of meth? What I have witnessed is people who have been addicted to meth as well as people who only used meth for a short period of time. None of them are wrecks rotting away in a back alley either. So from my experiences is it fair to conclude meth is perfectly safe to use?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to promote meth here. Sure meth ruins lives but not every person who uses it. The same goes for every other drug, weed included. And perhaps there are more cases of meth use ruining lives, it is addictive for sure and it does lots of damage after prolonged use.

Whatever though, like I said I don't care about if meth is addictive. What I care about is personal freedoms. Here is a article about methamphetamine by the way. It's biased of course but it's still a fairly good read (imo). It's semi-related to the topic at hand because since weed and meth are both illegal, there is some cross over about the issues applying to both.

http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html

From: Capricorn
herp derp derp

I've read it, still I'm not completely convinced.

Here in the Netherlands we have a law that we have to wear seatbelts when the car is driving('engine running'). This has been because of several reasons. One of them is at a car accident, the driver and passengers would have dramatically more injuries. These injuries have to be paid. Indirectly this would cost the average civilian money. This law protects the other people.

If you make the selling and using of meth legal, you could have multiple problems. One of them is how do you explain against the not users that they have to pay for yet another meth user who has crossed the line. How would would explain to a car driver that it was not his fault he drove over that guy, that was tripping on the streets and felt for the car.

You can't. It's very hard to explain to the people who have been an indirect casualty of the meth legalization, that it's just for freedom that they have to suffer. Cause normally, when someone makes someone else suffer, we throw the in jail, don't we. I think that in contrast with soft drugs and drugs harvested directly from mother nature(paddos, weed, etc), Meth is much more addictive. Legalizing it could make hard drug addiction as common as cigarette addiction (<- probably not, this is just a worst case).

It's not easy to ban nor legalize it.

From: Failpailirl
please, give me any link at all, that proves that marijuana is a gateway drug, honestly its like saying that coffee is a gateway drug to cigarettes or milk is a gateway drug to alcohol.

You're naive if you honestly think that marijuana in it's current state isn't a gateway drug. The people who sell weed are often the same people who sell other drugs. Not everyone who smokes weed does other drugs but I can't name very many people who do other drugs and didn't start with weed. Don't get me wrong, I smoke weed and I think that legalizing it could remove that gateway aspect and make other drugs more inaccessible. However, it scares me to think that another drug could substitute weeds place as young peoples "rebel," considering weed is fairly harmless compared to most recreational drugs. I'm 100% for decriminalization, my opinion is still developing on legalization, I'd like to see a more legalized version of Amsterdam before making a full decision. I'm from Canada by the way, weed isn't really frowned upon at all here.

From: Capricorn
Lots of indigenous cultures use drugs to achieve altered state of consciousness. Not all of them are fun in the sun.

And as far as I am concerned it's not up to you to decide if a drug is worth a "risk". Are you a doctor? Are you the person taking the drugs?

I don't care if it's heroin, crack, meth, PCP, ketamine, weed, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, MDMA or cocaine. What you put in your body and consume is your business not mine. We can sit here and argue the dangers and benefits of drugs, or we can all realize that's stupid and let people do what they wish instead of trampling on their freedoms.

Valid reason or not, why does it matter if it's not you? (I'm not even going to get into what a "valid reason" even is)

You're selfish to not care about the well-being of others. Quit thinking about yourself. You're almost saying that if you witnessed someone light them self on fire, you'd just watch them burn and be like "who cares, not me?"Not to mention that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In addition, I may not be a drug user or a doctor but if I could help someone in any way possible, I would at least try to help and not let people do stupid things. [as you put it]
The rights and freedoms of the people sometimes need to be limited for the benefit of society.

From: Cheesehunk
You're naive if you honestly think that marijuana in it's current state isn't a gateway drug. The people who sell weed are often the same people who sell other drugs. Not everyone who smokes weed does other drugs but I can't name very many people who do other drugs and didn't start with weed. Don't get me wrong, I smoke weed and I think that legalizing it could remove that gateway aspect and make other drugs more inaccessible. However, it scares me to think that another drug could substitute weeds place as young peoples "rebel," considering weed is fairly harmless compared to most recreational drugs. I'm 100% for decriminalization, my opinion is still developing on legalization, I'd like to see a more legalized version of Amsterdam before making a full decision. I'm from Canada by the way, weed isn't really frowned upon at all here.

ok, i am only going to say this once, i do not use it to rebel at all, i first started smoking in the 10th grade, its not like ive been smoking since 6th grade.

i did it when i was ready, and i like my friends for that as they did not pressure me into it whatsoever, it was my choice, not theirs.

now, if you have found any information from multiple sources supporting the same thing, please present it to me.

other than that, lets be honest. smoking pot has no addictive property's in it, now maybe you have forgotten what physically addictive is, it means when you stop consuming it, you are going to so major changes. now you could eat cheeseburgers everyday for a year and then if you stop you would see changes. now the withdrawals you see people suffering though with heroin, crack, meth, cigerettes, or alcohol, now thats addiction.

if you have any information regarding somebody that lives on this planet has ever gone though marijuana withdrawals, please, inform me of this.

"Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite the known harmful effects upon functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent) and among daily users (25-50 percent).

Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including: irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. These symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2-3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation."

Source: http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Getting two different results. Pro pot people say it is not addicting. Whereas sources such as ^ say otherwise.

From: Smarter Child
You're selfish to not care about the well-being of others. Quit thinking about yourself. You're almost saying that if you witnessed someone light them self on fire, you'd just watch them burn and be like "who cares, not me?"Not to mention that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In addition, I may not be a drug user or a doctor but if I could help someone in any way possible, I would at least try to help and not let people do stupid things. [as you put it]
The rights and freedoms of the people sometimes need to be limited for the benefit of society.

So you would have extinguished Thích Qu&#7843;ng &#272;&#7913;c? There's a big difference between someone doing some drugs and someone lighting themselves on fire. The former is only done to have a fun time, the latter is a form of suicide. Most of the time getting high doesn't kill you. Just like most of the time getting into a car doesn't kill you.

I like your ad hominem, sure I could be selfish and thinking about myself. And I guess I am a little - after all I am arguing for more freedoms and that directly benefits me. But thinking about myself? Aren't I arguing that other people should have more freedoms too? It doesn't work like that, either all of us have freedom or none of us have freedom. As far as someone killing themselves that's completely different, but to humour your question as long as it doesn't put me in any considerable danger I would help them. I think euthanasia should be an option and as long as somebody is in a stable state of mind they should have the choice to commit suicide. But that's entirely another topic.

From: Cheesehunk
You're naive if you honestly think that marijuana in it's current state isn't a gateway drug. The people who sell weed are often the same people who sell other drugs. Not everyone who smokes weed does other drugs but I can't name very many people who do other drugs and didn't start with weed. Don't get me wrong, I smoke weed and I think that legalizing it could remove that gateway aspect and make other drugs more inaccessible. However, it scares me to think that another drug could substitute weeds place as young peoples "rebel," considering weed is fairly harmless compared to most recreational drugs. I'm 100% for decriminalization, my opinion is still developing on legalization, I'd like to see a more legalized version of Amsterdam before making a full decision. I'm from Canada by the way, weed isn't really frowned upon at all here.

I don't believe the situation you put forth happens. Just because a dealer has X doesn't make me want X any more if all I want Y. The problem is that it is fairly difficult to do any study on any illegal drugs. I believe people start with weed simply because it's the most available. Weed contributes the most to the revenue of the drug trade. Mexico's drug cartels make 60% of their money from marijuana. Going as far as calling people naive though I think is a little far, especially when you cannot prove 100% sure that marijuana is a gateway drug.

From: Smarter Child
"Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite the known harmful effects upon functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent) and among daily users (25-50 percent).

Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including: irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. These symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2-3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation."

Source: http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Getting two different results. Pro pot people say it is not addicting. Whereas sources such as ^ say otherwise.

*notices the .gov*

dont get all your information from all one source, especially when it is government regulated website, unless it is of course about government.

From: Smarter Child
"Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite the known harmful effects upon functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent) and among daily users (25-50 percent).

Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including: irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. These symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2-3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation."

Source: http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Getting two different results. Pro pot people say it is not addicting. Whereas sources such as ^ say otherwise.

Hahaha, 'other sources', actually 'one source', that is manipulated by pharmaceutical companies, large industries, and government regulation. Not to mention the pressure of party affiliation and pressure from government agencies.

There are dozens of sources that have conducted independent studies of cannabis - meaning they have no bias and are not manipulated. All disproving what your single source is advertising.

Independent != unbiased.

From: Smarter Child
"Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana masturbation abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking masturbation and abuse despite the known harmful effects (vague claim without a source) upon functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana masturbation; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent) and among daily users (25-50 percent).

Long-term marijuana masturbation abusers trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including: irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, excessive horny-ness, and drug masturbation craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. These symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2-3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug masturbation cessation."

Source: http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/imfuckinghorny.html

that quote can be used for anything that you abuse for a prolonged amount.

You need to look at both sides of an issue, that is why I posted that link. Let's be open-mined about this. Not to mention, there are other individual studies that likely prove certain negative effects of marijuana. This thread seems extremely biased to it's pro's. While some cons, such as those mentioned in the .gov link may be false you can't just ignore the all possibilities. The purpose is/was to further the discussion and view the countless perspectives on the issue. I can believe the pro's of marijuana outweigh the con's, however it does not eliminate the con's.

There's no reason something must be unanimous in one way or another (all pros/all cons/whatever) to be good/bad/anything. Especially with weed, where the cons are cons because of the prohibition itself, mostly.

From: Smarter Child
You need to look at both sides of an issue, that is why I posted that link. Let's be open-mined about this. Not to mention, there are other individual studies that likely prove certain negative effects of marijuana. This thread seems extremely biased to it's pro's. While some cons, such as those mentioned in the .gov link may be false you can't just ignore the all possibilities. The purpose is/was to further the discussion and view the countless perspectives on the issue. I can believe the pro's of marijuana outweigh the con's, however it does not eliminate the con's.

there are very fews con's that is why.

and you didnt answer my question before, have you actually ever smoked marijuana before?

From: Failpailirl
and you didnt answer my question before, have you actually ever smoked marijuana before?

errydayyyyy I'm not at work :P

I own a business and have ~25 employees. We drug test every job applicant. In many cases they come in and fill out an application, then when they are notified that there is a mandatory drug test, they don't even bother to take it they just walk out and don't come back.

Also, don't you think it's strange that President Obama, who admits that he used pot quite often, and even cocaine when he could afford it, is not out there fighting for legalization?

If it's as "harmless" as everyone suggest, wouldn't he be out there saying that? Instead when he is questioned about it, he says legalization is not a solution to any of our problems.

From: tarajunky
I own a business and have ~25 employees. We drug test every job applicant. In many cases they come in and fill out an application, then when they are notified that there is a mandatory drug test, they don't even bother to take it they just walk out and don't come back.

Also, don't you think it's strange that President Obama, who admits that he used pot quite often, and even cocaine when he could afford it, is not out there fighting for legalization?

If it's as "harmless" as everyone suggest, wouldn't he be out there saying that? Instead when he is questioned about it, he says legalization is not a solution to any of our problems.

you know how america's political system works and that he's only saying that because hes a puppet.

From: footballjds
errydayyyyy I'm not at work :P

i obviously wasent talking to you. i was talking to the person i quoted, stop spamming this thread.

From: tarajunky
I own a business and have ~25 employees. We drug test every job applicant. In many cases they come in and fill out an application, then when they are notified that there is a mandatory drug test, they don't even bother to take it they just walk out and don't come back.

Well people who don't even have the respect to stop smoking/doing any drugs before applying for a job isn't someone I'd want working for me anyway. But, if they seem like they would be a good employee, they pass the drug test, and then they're hired and do a fantastic job day in and day out, but smoke weed from time to time, would you really care? Why does what they do in their spare time relate to you or your work? I'm sure a few people who work for you drink alcohol, and that shouldn't matter if that's what they do in their own time, right?

Also, don't you think it's strange that President Obama, who admits that he used pot quite often, and even cocaine when he could afford it, is not out there fighting for legalization?

If it's as "harmless" as everyone suggest, wouldn't he be out there saying that? Instead when he is questioned about it, he says legalization is not a solution to any of our problems.

Like noidea said (in quite a biased way, which doesn't help "the cause"), votes are far more important than him trying to legalize weed. He knows that it won't kill you if you smoke weed, and he has shown that he isn't super against it (i.e., the federal government *usually* won't come into the equation if weed is involved, and the state government is left to handle it unless it's a national matter or the like). And he's a smart guy - he is the president and all - so obviously he knows it's a losing battle at this time. And to be honest, it's not the most important thing right now. He's gotta pick his battles just like everyone else. Him letting states do their own thing is by far the best option at this time.

I can understand people not wanting people to smoke and drive or smoke and work or smoke in general because they think it's wrong. But keeping weed illegal is not the way to deal with that problem. Is legalizing the best way to keep what people do private and keep drugs away from kids? Maybe not, I don't know. But I know it being illegal doesn't work.

From: Failpailirl
ok, i am only going to say this once, i do not use it to rebel at all, i first started smoking in the 10th grade, its not like ive been smoking since 6th grade.

i did it when i was ready, and i like my friends for that as they did not pressure me into it whatsoever, it was my choice, not theirs.

now, if you have found any information from multiple sources supporting the same thing, please present it to me.

Your experiences are not a generalization of all who smoke weed. Plus chances are you are still fairly young and haven't gotten into harder drugs like people such as some of my friends have. Don't get me wrong, not all people use it to "rebel." But imo, it's those that do that get into harder drugs. I just question that if the weed bridge was gone more people may be turning to attempt the harder stuff first. I myself have only smoked dope, despite having many many opportunities to partake in MDMA, shrooms, cocaine, salvia, and some prescription drugs. The only drugs I would consider extremely detrimental in that group would be cocaine and prescription drugs such as oxy, etc.

From: Failpailirl

other than that, lets be honest. smoking pot has no addictive property's in it, now maybe you have forgotten what physically addictive is, it means when you stop consuming it, you are going to so major changes. now you could eat cheeseburgers everyday for a year and then if you stop you would see changes. now the withdrawals you see people suffering though with heroin, crack, meth, cigerettes, or alcohol, now thats addiction.

if you have any information regarding somebody that lives on this planet has ever gone though marijuana withdrawals, please, inform me of this.

I agree with this. The only addictive property of marijuana would be the habitual aspect. It becomes a habit just like me eating yogurt after dinner or something. This is sometimes mislabelled as addictive by those who oppose marijuana, but in reality it is no more addictive than the chocolate bar you ate after lunch.

Weed stuffed brownies work just fine people.

From: kingarabian
Weed stuffed brownies work just fine people.

Which is fine if you have an hour or longer to wait for the effects, which are different from the effects from smoking, which are different from the effects of vaping, which are all different based on what weed you use, which is why government regulation is important.

From: Cheesehunk
Your experiences are not a generalization of all who smoke weed. Plus chances are you are still fairly young and haven't gotten into harder drugs like people such as some of my friends have. Don't get me wrong, not all people use it to "rebel." But imo, it's those that do that get into harder drugs. I just question that if the weed bridge was gone more people may be turning to attempt the harder stuff first. I myself have only smoked dope, despite having many many opportunities to partake in MDMA, shrooms, cocaine, salvia, and some prescription drugs. The only drugs I would consider extremely detrimental in that group would be cocaine and prescription drugs such as oxy, etc.

I mean, of course this could change overtime, but honestly and truly, i dont WANT to do anything "harder" and "more effective". i dont enjoy getting "fucked up" from smoking, at all, infact i just like being relaxed. that is all, i do not intend to do any other drug in my life (except maybe alcohol for my 21st birthday, and i do not intend to get drunk that night.)

I dont want to have major side effects of a drug and everything bad that comes along with it. i enjoy having that feeling that after it starts to ware off, that i dont have to worry about throwing up drunk, or just waiting till i get some more, but instead, i am just a little tired afterwards.

From: Cheesehunk
I myself have only smoked dope, despite having many many opportunities to partake in MDMA, shrooms, cocaine, salvia, and some prescription drugs. The only drugs I would consider extremely detrimental in that group would be cocaine and prescription drugs such as oxy, etc.

I recommended doing shrooms at least once in your life. If you look at the structure of the active substance, you will see it's completely harmless. It's also impossible to get addicted, cause even if you get mentally addicted, you can only do it once every 10-15 days cause your body still has to dump the remedy it has made against the previous time.

And you can get mentally addicted to weed, smoked three a day. Than it's not easy to stop(it wasn't for me). Stopping with masturbation is something entirely different. This all depends on so many substances in your body, like testosterone and such.

From: masterBB
I recommended doing shrooms at least once in your life. If you look at the structure of the active substance, you will see it's completely harmless. It's also impossible to get addicted, cause even if you get mentally addicted, you can only do it once every 10-15 days cause your body still has to dump the remedy it has made against the previous time.

And you can get mentally addicted to weed, smoked three a day. Than it's not easy to stop(it wasn't for me). Stopping with masturbation is something entirely different. This all depends on so many substances in your body, like testosterone and such.

i agree with this, drugs like LSD, Acid, Dmt, Shrooms, ect arnt bad for you if you do them on occasion, such as every few months.

Also you can get mentally addicted to anything, now getting physically addicted is completely different than getting mentally addicted.

getting mentally addicted means that you have made a pattern for yourself to keep on doing it, and you body gets used to that pattern and just kind of fits your patterns into your daily life.

some people have to have coffee every morning or they feel extremely tired, out of energy, cant concentrate ect, but if they go a few days w/o it they will notice there body will adjust to it as if he doesnt need the coffee anymore to be at his/her best.

If alcohol is legal than so should pot. Other drugs that are considered more "hardcore" should not be. Pretty simple.

@TaraJunky: Politics is politics. DERP.

Pot has changed me in multiple ways.. Not only good ones.. Sure, i got alot of inspiration, imagination, I enjoy things much more than before : food (I used to be anorexic), music (more open to new genres) among other things.

However, my memory has decayed a terribly large amount. For example, I go to a cinema, come out : "What did I just watch ?". No kidding, I have to read the ticket to find out, and remembering scenes ? Hah.

I've stopped smoking pot since these events have happened. I must say that sometimes I feel like smoking a little j' just to get hazy and enjoy the sh*tty tv show I'm watching with my girlfriend or just to relax to music, or even have insane dreams.

But damn, my memory… I regret smoking pot, I admit that.

I say it should be legal, to some degree as in : sales for only a few grams /month|week so that the state would controll the sales and what is sold : no cutting the hash with (I'm serious) camel shit or shoe wax.

Also this would bring in money to the state and bring up more jobs. Look at California, pot has a great role in their economy now and to be honest, things are going quite damn well over there.

tl;dr : I smoked pot, enjoy it, lost my memory, stopped.

Also, be careful with what you smoke. Many here cut the greens with glass shards, making them look like THC Crystals. In fact these shards have destroyed my friend's lungs, piercing huge holes in them. Basically, its not very grave but he cannot for example run like before, do sports, any physical exercise is much harder and sometimes painful than before.

He stopped smoking too.

Its fun until things turn the other way than it should.

From: masterBB
I recommended doing shrooms at least once in your life. If you look at the structure of the active substance, you will see it's completely harmless. It's also impossible to get addicted, cause even if you get mentally addicted, you can only do it once every 10-15 days cause your body still has to dump the remedy it has made against the previous time.

Yeah I'll probably try shrooms one of these days when offered. I'm usually drunk when offered drugs though, and shrooms seems like it might be a bit better while sober so I can actually remember it.

From: Cheesehunk
Yeah I'll probably try shrooms one of these days when offered. I'm usually drunk when offered drugs though, and shrooms seems like it might be a bit better while sober so I can actually remember it.

NEVER, NEVER do shrooms while you're drunk. It could be your dead, and I'm not kidding. Not just the remembering part. It's the reason why it was banned recently from the netherlands…

From: masterBB
NEVER, NEVER do shrooms while you're drunk. It could be your dead, and I'm not kidding. Not just the remembering part. It's the reason why it was banned recently from the netherlands…

Now that sounds like something completely harmless ! :)

In my personal opinion weed is a gateway drug (from personal experience). I look at it this way, I barely had the guts to try weed, if I was offered coke or other stuff instead of weed in the exact same scenario I would have declined FOR SURE. After getting bored with pot after a couple months I have "experimented" with other drugs (Salvia, mush). So in this guy's opinion, definitely a gateway drug. Also in this guy's opinion, weed is not good. I do think it is addictive (physiologically) because I did have a very hard time quitting. (off for a week, on for a month, back and forth until I just did a complete stop of all drugs including alcohol). Weed is a de-motivator, judging by its affects on me and my friends. Weed doesn't add anything to the average (note) smokers life, so if it isn't positive, why do it.

Also, it's quite expensive to be a smoker, around here its $5 a joint (not buying bulk) and I hear that's quite cheap. Smokers can easily go through a couple joints a day (even I was doing 2 joints, evening smoking only). And think about this, your money (aka your spent time) is going to support a CURRENTLY illegal activity. That money fuels grow ops which are HEALTH RISKS. (not just to growers either). All the growups around my hometown (one of the highest ratio of growop towns) the houses have to be gutted. This is a huge sucker punch to the property owners (because they all rent for obvious reasons). Sure if pot was legal then this wouldn't happen (except it probably would because they can produce so much pot at so little [upfront] cost [not counting society's cost]) but do you really feel good about giving your money to these people? The same people who also [very probably] deal other drugs? Ok we can agree pot isn't that bad, but a large portion of that money goes to gangs [don't say there are any positives with that].

Btw I have done shrooms while drunk and it ain't that bad. (maybe not for a 1st time).

Anyways, if you read my rant props :)

Moderation is key.

From: cause
Btw I have done shrooms while drunk and it ain't that bad. (maybe not for a 1st time).

Odd, here in the Netherlands shrooms are strong enough to forget how to walk, swallow and so much more. But what if the shrooms effect is the feeling of immortality? A common effect I experienced to, this can easily add up with alcohols 'forgetting the limits' effect…

From: Smarter Child
Moderation is key.

This is true of everything. Well said!

Yeah I didn't do that much while drunk. I would say that moderation is not key when it comes to drugs.