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How long till a mass ban? Better be fucking soon im getting pissed… EVERY world:
and who do we have to thank for this?
http://ownagebots.com/

woah that's pretty extreme. but not worse than draynor willows ;p

From: Floor66
woah that's pretty extreme. but not worse than draynor willows ;p

my point is, it's not RSdemon style. its not a shit ton of level 3's raping every tree.

They're fairly high lvls… It's bull shit.

ffs. Jagex is sucking a fat chode and watching their game get raped…
>.<

I feel you :p Armoured zombies are packed to :(

Want areas to be kept secret keep it in Members+ It'll limit the access to the general public. Right now most everyone can get to all the scripts. It used to be most of the scripts were in Members+ so we didn't have this big of a problem. With the Script being out there the Idea for it is also out in the general public. This allows java bots to have your ideas to make their own scripts with to be raped with a billion throw away characters. Sorry for the long message. It's bed time… Good Night All..

~BraK

From: tico2
I feel you :p Armoured zombies are packed to :(

Tell me about it.. I just got 99 str there but it was packed so I took out my rapier.. overloaded + turmoil and just one hit all the zombies and everyone hopped LOL! empty world here :) So now Im training attack..

It screwed up bots.. they all started running around and going to the end of the tunnel.


But yeah there are lots of bots now thats y jagex isnt doing roll backs anymore.. theyre doing 14 day and 21 day bans with the status of the account stating:

14 day ban – Minor Macroing Offense.
21 day ban – Major Macroing Offense.

Yeah it happened to me =( but only on a noob account that was suiciding p-essence

Find a better spot. Slow and steady wins the race :)

Guess this is what happens when people start duplicating our "Auto Wisely" and "Blend In" concept. Tssss.

It is silly though. The problem is obviously that their automatic bot-detection mechanism is failing. This also explains why mods are now turnng to ban-on-the-spot.

By now, we all know how to circumvent their traps. And unless they come up with an entirely new kernel we are for the time being "safe".

But this regretfully also means the game is being exploited on a massive scale.

I never thought I would say this but I want trade limits back :P seriously though when you could only trade 30k or whatever it was there were hardly any bots…

From: trojan
I never thought I would say this but I want trade limits back :P seriously though when you could only trade 30k or whatever it was there were hardly any bots…

It would still be annoying with all the bots… a 99 wouldnt mean as much. why not just runescape get a good anti-botting system so we can be just a bit better.

From: BraK
Want areas to be kept secret keep it in Members+ It'll limit the access to the general public. Right now most everyone can get to all the scripts. It used to be most of the scripts were in Members+ so we didn't have this big of a problem. With the Script being out there the Idea for it is also out in the general public. This allows java bots to have your ideas to make their own scripts with to be raped with a billion throw away characters. Sorry for the long message. It's bed time… Good Night All..

~BraK

this isn't us. this is powerbot.org
Do any research, the one and only biggest GDK(green drag killer) is for rsbot….

as for other spots. pfft, the masses are java bots, we barely affect anything.
I doubt srl has more accounts online then their are rs worlds…

Yikes :s. Yeah there's just so many java bots out there now, and I think there's more in development every day. :/

Wow, they are all wearing close to the same shitty outfit.

What happened to that bot reporting script I saw earlier?

From: footballjds
this isn't us. this is powerbot.org
Do any research, the one and only biggest GDK(green drag killer) is for rsbot….

as for other spots. pfft, the masses are java bots, we barely affect anything.
I doubt srl has more accounts online then their are rs worlds…

I guess he means that if you have an idea thats pretty good for botting, keep it here - members plus. This helps from other people seeing your idea and then passing it on to other Java bot communities with massive rapers.

From: footballjds

I like the part where they're all wearing the EXACT. SAME. THING.

Well it kind of makes sense that they are all waring the same thing. They all need anti-dragon fire shield, and the rest of it is probably the most affordable/best bonus causing armor for melee. That's like loling at WCers or Miners for all using the 'same' rune hatchet or rune pick.

But yeah totally out of hand it's crazy, maybe later I'll show you guys a video of Living Rock Caverns on world 84, now that shit is CRAZY.

Jagex is fully aware of the problem and they are not stupid, banning all of these accounts will not do much, since (almost) no time, effort, or risk is required to make theses accounts, for each one they ban the user will most likely just make another.

Jagex is going the smart thing and trying hard to take the creators of the bots to court to stop the source and end java botting once and for all. Once that ends 1) if they are successful there will be a lot less/no java bots or 2) If they fail, they will focus much much harder on just banning the individual accounts and getting better at doing it.

From: footballjds
this isn't us. this is powerbot.org
Do any research, the one and only biggest GDK(green drag killer) is for rsbot….

as for other spots. pfft, the masses are java bots, we barely affect anything.
I doubt srl has more accounts online then their are rs worlds…

Yeah, they take our ideas and make their own bots.
Eg. I made that zombie killer, and the area was completely empty always.
Now its got 4-5 bots on every world. Either they had the same idea at the same time, or they saw mine and copied.

Makes me sad =(

From: YoHoJo

Jagex is going the smart thing and trying hard to take the creators of the bots to court to stop the source and end java botting once and for all. Once that ends 1) if they are successful there will be a lot less/no java bots or 2) If they fail, they will focus much much harder on just banning the individual accounts and getting better at doing it.

Absolutely right. It's like you're fighting an army of ants. You can kill thousands, but they'll just keep coming. But if you go for the hive itself, you'll stop any further progress, then it's just a matter of killing the remaining ants.

Ban Obvious Botters.
Remove the GE.


Should solve the problem pretty quick.

From: Iamadam
Yeah, they take our ideas and make their own bots.
Eg. I made that zombie killer, and the area was completely empty always.
Now its got 4-5 bots on every world. Either they had the same idea at the same time, or they saw mine and copied.

Makes me sad =(

http://www.powerbot.org/vb/showthread.php?t=775769&page=3


That was completely ripped off from "Super User"… if any of you remember, I tested SuperUser's jad autoprayer switcher.. Here on this forum and it worked.. this guy just translated all the code and attemps to use the mouse hijacking method without the .ini file.. <– pb script failed at hijacking..

SuperUser's thread: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63972


This idea has never been thought of except by him and they just completely ripped it off.. The DJur thread on powerbot says he got it from some other guy.. I checked the other guy's thread and all it does it tell you what prayer to switch to… Now they have an autoswitcher too.. omg.

Picture amuses me how they all have literally the same outfit CLONES I TELL YOU.

What really made me furious was when i logged into my bros f2p account and I wanted to mine a little for him. Brass key dungeon mine… Like, are you kidding me? there was 10+ bots in that world. I can only assume its like that in every world. BULLSH*T!!!!!!

every world is packed, (mainly f2p with mining, cooking, woodcutting, fishing and smithing) it is impossible to get a decent amount of resources for your players on f2p worlds. simple way to resolve it is to pay for membership, that is what I have done :)

From: ggzz
http://www.powerbot.org/vb/showthread.php?t=775769&page=3


That was completely ripped off from "Super User"… if any of you remember, I tested SuperUser's jad autoprayer switcher.. Here on this forum and it worked.. this guy just translated all the code and attemps to use the mouse hijacking method without the .ini file.. <– pb script failed at hijacking..

SuperUser's thread: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63972


This idea has never been thought of except by him and they just completely ripped it off.. The DJur thread on powerbot says he got it from some other guy.. I checked the other guy's thread and all it does it tell you what prayer to switch to… Now they have an autoswitcher too.. omg.

Heh, well, guess that was expected. After all, my script was public :) Luckily, it's still not that easy to get the fire cape, as many things can go wrong plus you need to solve those 62 waves first.

Yesterday night I walked through runescape f2p, on a world with 800+ players, I haven't met a single living soul; they are ALL BOTS! On all spots (apart from GE, but that is crowded with spambots), you name it. 100% bots. NO REAL PLAYERS ANYMORE!

Lumby: rat bots, goblins bots, willow bots, yew bots, mining bots, cow bots,
Lumby-Varrock: chicken bots, wizard bots, cow bots, hide pickers, rat bots, willow bots.
Varrock, W & E: willow bots, smithing bots, auto merchers
Varrock - Falador: Barbarians: Fishing bots, cooking bots, crafting bots, mining bots, fighting bots.

Between Varrock and Falador ther isnt a living soul.

Falador: Fighting bots, zamorak bots, wc bots.


List goes on and on and on and on. 100% bots at night on a world with 800+ Players.


Never encountered a legit!

Fakawi, whatever happened to SRL's bot-catcher script? I remember that was based on the targets appearance which doesn't do us much good now, but don't ya think we could make it search for level 3's in bot hotspots?

Edit:
What about finding the lvl 3 in a hotspot, asking a simple question (such as "Are you human?"), try this 2 times, if no response then report accordingly.

From: WT-Fakawi
Yesterday night I walked through runescape f2p, on a world with 800+ players, I haven't met a single living soul; they are ALL BOTS! On all spots (apart from GE, but that is crowded with spambots), you name it. 100% bots. NO REAL PLAYERS ANYMORE!

Lumby: rat bots, goblins bots, willow bots, yew bots, mining bots, cow bots,
Lumby-Varrock: chicken bots, wizard bots, cow bots, hide pickers, rat bots, willow bots.
Varrock, W & E: willow bots, smithing bots, auto merchers
Varrock - Falador: Barbarians: Fishing bots, cooking bots, crafting bots, mining bots, fighting bots.

Between Varrock and Falador ther isnt a living soul.

Falador: Fighting bots, zamorak bots, wc bots.


List goes on and on and on and on. 100% bots at night on a world with 800+ Players.


Never encountered a legit!

Sooo true! Over the past few months, i observed that the average number of players on each world has been steadily increasing(400-800 in like 6 months). If jagex doesn't do something i bet all the worlds will be filled to the max with botters.

From: Flight
Fakawi, whatever happened to SRL's bot-catcher script? I remember that was based on the targets appearance which doesn't do us much good now, but don't ya think we could make it search for level 3's in bot hotspots?

Edit:
What about finding the lvl 3 in a hotspot, asking a simple question (such as "Are you human?"), try this 2 times, if no response then report accordingly.

These days its no longer lvl 3's botting if you haven't noticed. The first thing botters are doing is levelling up the bots to cb lvl 40-50 then botting, so really you cant distinguish between humans and bots other than asking them questing/obvious signs. :(

Jagex really needs to take action.

Is it funny to you guys that Rs4gold a Chinese Rs cheating company now runs Rsbot? Seems like Rsdemon x 5.

lol devlop the report bot ..

lol the only thing jagex need to do to solve this is, making more monsters/resources, then everyone get happy…

From: tom99
lol the only thing jagex need to do to solve this is, making more monsters/resources, then everyone get happy…

yeah, then the economy gets raped cause the prices will fall further… and rares will shoot higher…
nty, just ban bots.

From: footballjds
yeah, then the economy gets raped cause the prices will fall further… and rares will shoot higher…
nty, just ban bots.

Meh instead of removing resources they can put back the old randoms but make them stronger..

To me the best times in RS was when there was the randoms that attacked you while fishing and doing skills.. The troll that was like lvl 159 pwned me.. Dont even ask.. the Chicken was worse!! Remember the shade aswell?? that was hard as hell..
Those randoms also made it easy to spot who was botting cuz most bots ran north or south.. If the randoms hit a lot harder.. a few of them would destroy bots.. They can put these randoms and make the player kill them.. if they aren't killed then the player gets another random.. until its killed.. Because those were the scar days and most bots just ran to a distance where it wont get attacked and then bam back to botting.. The killing would prevent that.. Even herbs are screwed now.. Remember herbs used to be unidentified and all high players would buy those in hopes to get a rare one? well that should be done still.. if you dont have the lvl, the herb stays unidentified..

These were the best days.. the andrew gower days.. not mod mark.. Andrew left when he saw how messed up rs was becoming. He made a smart move but its gotten worse since everything is all safe.. GE makes everything easy.. Rune was so much rarer without resource dungeons.. etc.

tom99, I'm pretty sure more bots would just be created :p Really they have 3 choices: Make it so botting gives no benefit, change the game such that people don't want to or can't bot (eg. actually making interesting and non-repetitive activities for levelling up/earning money) or making it so that bots don't impact legit players (eg. fishing).
Trying to detect and ban bots is pretty much a lost cause, as they will spend time and money doing it while botters have to invest practically none, and can easily start over even if they do get banned. I'm guessing that Jagex realised this and this is why they aren't really bothering to ban a lot of people.

I have it. Some version of it. If I'm not allowed to post it, someone please tell me and I'll remove it asap. PS: I love you all.

Tip.it had a good idea before, they had suggested Jagex created 'cheat' worlds that botting would be allowed on without consequence. Obviously making these no relations twords the real Runescape worlds, but simply as a way to separate the legits from the bots. Almost in a sence private servers run by Jagex, kept up to date, but without random events and macro detection, ect…

From: Flight
Tip.it had a good idea before, they had suggested Jagex created 'cheat' worlds that botting would be allowed on without consequence. Obviously making these no relations twords the real Runescape worlds, but simply as a way to separate the legits from the bots. Almost in a sence private servers run by Jagex, kept up to date, but without random events and macro detection, ect…

If it isn't against the rules, and jagex will do nothing to defeat us in that world, then where's the fun?

ahh just like 2007 :P yer whats with the same outfits?

From: Runescape Pro
I have it. Some version of it. If I'm not allowed to post it, someone please tell me and I'll remove it asap. PS: I love you all.

Haha, that was written for level-3's only. Won't work anymore now every bot is 50+

P.S. I reported 3000 level-3 bots with that script.

people like that spoil botting for other people..

From: djcheater
ahh just like 2007 :P yer whats with the same outfits?

I think it's the best equipment you can buy without doing any quests and is not prohibitively expensive. Granite top is slightly better than rune, right?

I really miss the old combat randoms. Nothing like catching a swordfish and hearing "Fishies be mine, leave dem fishies be!" I really think bring back the combat and tool-breaking randoms would help at least a little bit. It would kill off a fair portion of java botters, and it's nothing we can't handle :P

Can't they say that what java bots do(injection) is editing there game and therefore copyright infringement?

Don't most Java bots use reflection now?

From: i luffs yeww
Don't most Java bots use reflection now?

nope. they use injection before the client runs.

Shameless advertising: try out BotBuster! ;)

From: footballjds
nope. they use injection before the client runs.

Rsbot doesn't distribute the client anymore, and just downloads the client(like you do when you play legit), and then inject it at that time. There is nothing illegal about that.

From: MylesMadness
Rsbot doesn't distribute the client anymore, and just downloads the client(like you do when you play legit), and then inject it at that time. There is nothing illegal about that.

still they're adding to it right?
I'm just hoping somehow 3,000,000 bots can be stopped…

From: footballjds
still they're adding to it right?
I'm just hoping somehow 3,000,000 bots can be stopped…

Once you get a product legally, its your do (basically) what ever you want with besides distribute.

From: MylesMadness
Once you get a product legally, its your do (basically) what ever you want with besides distribute.

IDK if jagex can pay a guy wearing a 20,000$ suit enough maybe the judge will rule differently ;)

From: MylesMadness
Once you get a product legally, its your do (basically) what ever you want with besides distribute.

I'm not sure that is actually the case, what with software licenses these days. Especially if they inject things into the client, that certainly violates Jagex's Terms and Conditions (as you are accessing the game with a modified client), not sure about laws though.

From: Zyt3x
If it isn't against the rules, and jagex will do nothing to defeat us in that world, then where's the fun?

The majority of bot users aren't in it for fun, only communities like this one do it for the challenge. :norris:

SRL will always have incentive to keep going not just because we want to have something done automatically for us, but we like doing the work and having that constant challenge to improve.

From: any_one
I'm not sure that is actually the case, what with software licenses these days. Especially if they inject things into the client, that certainly violates Jagex's Terms and Conditions (as you are accessing the game with a modified client), not sure about laws though.

The case of Galoob v. Nintendo (1992) established that it is the customer's right to modify hardware, at least within U.S. law; I have no idea about software law, however I would assume that if hardware is owned by the customer then one could argue that software is as well. Since the RS client does store some files locally, you could say that you 'own' them.

The other side of the argument (and one that would create that fuzzy grey area) is that one could say that buying a RS membership is a service and not a product; you are being granted further access to something still owned and kept by Jagex.

RuneScape is slowly dying. Good thing I quit when I did. (roughly 2 to almost 3 years ago)

From: Tlachtli
The case of Galoob v. Nintendo (1992) established that it is the customer's right to modify hardware, at least within U.S. law; I have no idea about software law, however I would assume that if hardware is owned by the customer then one could argue that software is as well. Since the RS client does store some files locally, you could say that you 'own' them.

The other side of the argument (and one that would create that fuzzy grey area) is that one could say that buying a RS membership is a service and not a product; you are being granted further access to something still owned and kept by Jagex.

You never own someone's software.. Software is leased to a user, never given. Thus the reason Geohot was sued by Sony for the PS3 Jailbreak.. Also the reason that if Game Companies think you are using their game illegally (in a bad way or wrong in their eyes) they can sue you without you even having a case. Most license agreements state this.. and state that software is distributed, must not be distributed or tampered with in any way shape or form..

Its leased to a user, not given so you never own software but hardware you do.

From: BraK
Want areas to be kept secret keep it in Members+ It'll limit the access to the general public. Right now most everyone can get to all the scripts. It used to be most of the scripts were in Members+ so we didn't have this big of a problem. With the Script being out there the Idea for it is also out in the general public. This allows java bots to have your ideas to make their own scripts with to be raped with a billion throw away characters. Sorry for the long message. It's bed time… Good Night All..

~BraK

very true.. RS bot is also so much bigger then they where before.

Also, didn't the guy(s?) behind Glider lose his/their case because it modified the client? That's what I thought, but I wasn't ever really interested in that stuff.

And you don't own RuneScape, so modifying it and redistributing it or past versions of it is illegal, afaik. RSPSs are illegal last time I checked, because they redistribute Jagex's software without their consent. And some modify it, which is also something you're not supposed to do (afaik).

But I'm probably not right.

From: i luffs yeww
RSPSs are illegal last time I checked, because they redistribute Jagex's software without their consent. And some modify it, which is also something you're not supposed to do (afaik).

But I'm probably not right.

The cache is illegal, the servers are built from the ground up and even the clients are to this point. And last time I checked (atleast a year ago) the cache files can be built from scratch, so in time there will be nothing illegal about servers, but also at that point they'll be stand-alone games on their own, just using the same genre as Runescape.

From: Flight
The cache is illegal, the servers are built from the ground up and even the clients are to this point. And last time I checked (atleast a year ago) the cache files can be built from scratch, so in time there will be nothing illegal about servers, but also at that point they'll be stand-alone games on their own, just using the same genre as Runescape.

they're still using mass amounts of code that is Jagex's. which is obviously illegal.

From: footballjds
they're still using mass amounts of code that is Jagex's. which is obviously illegal.

The cache…. The server/client are built from the ground up, therefore not illegal.

Have you read the TOS?

Intellectual property rights
Jagex®, RuneScape® and FunOrb® are registered trade marks of Jagex Limited in the United Kingdom, the United States and other countries.

So according to the italics, you are still subject to their copyright even if you are not a British citizen.

You must not reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any Jagex Product client software in any way (except to the extent allowed by applicable law). You must not use a modified/customised version of the client software or attempt to sub-license it. You must not create or provide any other means by which any Jagex Product may be played by others (including, without limitation, replacement or modified client/server software, server emulators).

Pretty self explanatory, I don't believe injecting bytecode into the client is allowed by applicable law.

Materials (including without limit all information, software, data, text, photographs, graphics, sound and video) placed on any Jagex Product by us or on our behalf are protected by copyright and other intellectual property rights of ourselves or our business partners / suppliers / advertisers. You may not use these materials or any Jagex Product except in accordance with these terms and conditions and for personal (i.e. non-commercial) use only.

You agree that all intellectual property or other rights in any game character, account and items are and will remain our property.

By posting chat or other materials on any Jagex Product, you grant us a non-exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, royalty free, worldwide license to use and/or modify such materials on any Jagex Product as we see fit.

You agree that by submitting any material of any kind to us for any purpose connected with any Jagex Product (non-exhaustive examples are suggestions and ideas for any game or contributions to any Gallery page), you are giving us a non-exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free license to use and/or modify the submitted materials as we see fit. You agree to waive any moral rights to the extent permitted by law and that you will not withdraw the submission or attempt to make a charge for its use. Furthermore you guarantee that you are the exclusive copyright holder in relation to the submission and that the submission in no way breaches the rights of any other person or entity.

Notice they are quite broad with their descriptions of actions that break the agreement, it's so they can more easily start lawsuits.

I agree with you Echo_

and my current opinion is that Jagex is developing more things to attract customers and then save up money to file a big ass law suit against every macroing community :p

@footballjds,

Good for Jagex. I honestly do hope they do that.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/709/botwc.png/

Hahahahaha

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:duh:

This is why Java bots need to die.

A scary comparison between today's java bots and Aryan:

Then:

Now:

From: footballjds

From: Echo_
A scary comparison between today's java bots and Aryan:

and there was a mass ban and Aryan is broken now :D
let us hope that happens again. SOON.

[ignoreOffTopic]
Timer i love you still.
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Your mum is being trolled
mts

From: Osva
Your mum is being trolled
mts

Welcome to SRL.. here we tend to behave.
Take a look at the rules if you're planning on staying here!

Have a nice day :)

From: Osva
Your mum is being trolled
mts

???

From: Naike
Welcome to SRL.. here we tend to behave.
Take a look at the rules if you're planning on staying here!

Have a nice day :)

thanks

From: any_one
tom99, I'm pretty sure more bots would just be created :p Really they have 3 choices: Make it so botting gives no benefit, change the game such that people don't want to or can't bot (eg. actually making interesting and non-repetitive activities for levelling up/earning money) or making it so that bots don't impact legit players (eg. fishing).
Trying to detect and ban bots is pretty much a lost cause, as they will spend time and money doing it while botters have to invest practically none, and can easily start over even if they do get banned. I'm guessing that Jagex realised this and this is why they aren't really bothering to ban a lot of people.

Or… they could do like Eve Online and compete with the bots, atleast for the Real Market Trading aspect. Eve has a system in place where one player buys a "time card" and can sell it to another player in-game for whatever the going price is (650mil isk usually). So $15 for a months worth of play becomes worth 650mil, and you can put a real price on in-game money. This means that players who play a lot can play for free, and others, can get in-game currency for real money, all the while the parent company, CCP, still makes the same amount on subscriptions.

Does this increase botting? yes and no, while more ppl are trying to make enough gold to keep their membership free, the "botting to RMT the gold" accounts have a competitor - legitimate players who actually set the price of in-game gold to the dollar.

This is also good for Joe Blow, who:
1. Bots cause he needs money.
2. Has a real life and can't waste it trying to get to 99s so he can do GWD and get real drops and real gold.
3. Is honestly a good guy but because of #2 is limited in this f-ing #(*&@##$@ GRIND HEAVY, play-it-like-a-day-job game.

Cause now Joe Blow doesn't have to bot anymore to pay for his expensive tastes.
But alas, this also tempts ppl to bot more, as more gold = free membership.

Second thing Eve does that gets rid of the need of bots, that you would NEVER SEE IN STUPID RUNESCAPE. They got rid of active training, you never gain a level by clicking anywhere, grinding mindlessly and loosing IQ while staring at a computer screen. You choose the skills you want to train, put them in order, and they train with time, all by themselves.

This means of course, skilling is more planning the roles you want to do, not "how soon do you want to be UBER?!?" Also, with this style of lvling, you will never see a bot running around skill grinding.

The last thing they did that was genius, is turned all the places with good lootz and resources into pvp areas. So if your bot ain't friends with the players that rule the area, they gonna mess you up something good. Which in turn means the bots you find in the pvp areas, are owned by the rulers of that area, makes it easier to cut off the head of the bot-dragon.

Whelp, I know none of that will ever fit into RS, but it's something to think about.

Actually there a helluva lot of ways jagex could stop rwt and botters, but they either choose not to, or they can't be bothered to, so us coming up with ideas isn't the solution, unless it involved ddosing the servers and sending mails to jagex telling em to stop bots.

Not to run offtopic, but why do you guys think DDoSes solve anything? Not just directed at just you KingKong, but I have seen so many people recently say stuff along the lines of "LOL let's DDoS 'X'". DDoS is illegal, and solves nothing. I highly suggest you all stop thinking of it like some "Internet method to solve problems".

From: Harry
Not to run offtopic, but why do you guys think DDoSes solve anything? Not just directed at just you KingKong, but I have seen so many people recently say stuff along the lines of "LOL let's DDoS 'X'". DDoS is illegal, and solves nothing. I highly suggest you all stop thinking of it like some "Internet method to solve problems".

Couldn't have worded it better myself. This deserves rep.

From: Harry
Not to run offtopic, but why do you guys think DDoSes solve anything? Not just directed at just you KingKong, but I have seen so many people recently say stuff along the lines of "LOL let's DDoS 'X'". DDoS is illegal, and solves nothing. I highly suggest you all stop thinking of it like some "Internet method to solve problems".

Its gonna wake jagex up to the massive bot problem currently under their asses. :p. Yes, I know ddos is illegal, but i don't see how someone is supposed to wake jagex up from their impending doom - too many bots. About the solves nothing thing, im pretty sure it would solve the bot problem(for a while atleast)

I am sure Jagex is aware of it, and an illegal cyber-attack would not do anything against them. You'd just be breaking the law and would achieve nothing.

just hire some guys in china to do it for you, problem solved.

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That would be funnier with an acc. like mine at cb 134+ :p

From: boobooo42
"EVE"

While the botting in EVE is nowhere near as noticable as in RS due to the raw scale of the universe I can assure you it is there in full force. If you head to any of the icebelts nearby major trade systems or the better mission hub stations you will see large concentrations of bots. And don't pretend for one minute that the dangers of nullsec stop people botting there, I'd go as far as to say its safer to bot in nullsec then it is to play at your keyboard (I know I've been doing it for 3 years).

I do agree though that the plex system is wonderfull and eliminates a huge amount of player -> player rmt while benefiting both players and not hurting the economy at all. As a result a lot of the botting you see in eve is for personal gain although some of it may trickle into rmt through system rental taxes etc.

edit:
Because some of you may be interested here is the presentation CCP gave this year on how they are going to start cracking down on bots, it's mostly a load of hurf blurf and them not telling you anything so don't blame me if its a waste of your hour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDSNd_w86Hw

(Yes it's taken them 8 years to even consider protecting their client and it's written in python :wacko: )

Not my video, but a friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b50AGAIFHGM

I like those old pictures ;p

From: IceFire908

Remove the GE.


Should solve the problem pretty quick.

Then everything would just move to World 2 Falador, and the marketplace forums would serve people other than merchants.
I remember trying to manually merchant one day, only to quit because there were 10 level 3s sitting right beside me using some type of auto mercher…(Not an autotyper, an actual mercher)

I remember the good ol' days of manually merching with 2 accounts, the merch and the dummy.

You find someone selling X for 500k. Dummy stands next to him (always with trading turned off) and says he's selling X for 480k. Seller then either leaves or drops his price to compete. Merch then buys from seller at the reduced price.

Could also be done on the selling end. Find someone buying X for 500k. Dummy stands next to him and says he's buying X for 520k. Buyer either raises his offer or leaves. Merch then sells to buyer at the raised offer price. Net gain from both buying and selling, 40k.

Man, those were the days. Could make easy money with just an hour or two of that.

From: edfromhumanresources
While the botting in EVE is nowhere near as noticable as in RS due to the raw scale of the universe I can assure you it is there in full force. If you head to any of the icebelts nearby major trade systems or the better mission hub stations you will see large concentrations of bots. And don't pretend for one minute that the dangers of nullsec stop people botting there, I'd go as far as to say its safer to bot in nullsec then it is to play at your keyboard (I know I've been doing it for 3 years).

I do agree though that the plex system is wonderfull and eliminates a huge amount of player -> player rmt while benefiting both players and not hurting the economy at all. As a result a lot of the botting you see in eve is for personal gain although some of it may trickle into rmt through system rental taxes etc.

Hi bobfrommarketing, you still in goons?

First, I wouldn't dare say that 0.0 makes it more dangerous to bot. Any bot with "half-a-brain" just safes up and cloaks once you enter system. But just look at any dotlan map, and you will find the botting hubs. If CCP had sense, they would go to those congested areas and start banning accounts. IMO Jagex could kind of do the same, but neither company shows much sign of intelligent life.

Yeah the plex system just balances out the RMT Russian bot to player bot ratio, which could possibly help RS as well. :shrug:

But I am no means an expert on this, half the crap you guys talk about on kugu (err rather ********.com) goes over my head.

From: boobooo42
Hi bobfrommarketing, you still in goons?

First, I wouldn't dare say that 0.0 makes it????? more dangerous to bot. Any bot with "half-a-brain" just safes up and cloaks once you enter system. But just look at any dotlan map, and you will find the botting hubs. If CCP had sense, they would go to those congested areas and start banning accounts. IMO Jagex could kind of do the same, but neither company shows much sign of intelligent life. ?????????

Yeah the plex system just balances out the RMT Russian bot to player bot ratio, which could possibly help RS as well. :shrug:???????

But I am no means an expert on this, half the crap you guys talk about on kugu (err rather ********.com) ?????????goes over my head.

no clue what you just said. relate to runescape please.

From: uncfan1119
no clue what you just said. relate to runescape please.

It's in my post before, I don't feel like repeating myself.

1. 0.0 is eve's wildy basically, but "clans" can own/rents parts of it. Bots run freely out there, but can be killed by players.

2. Plex is in the previous post, you pay someone in-game money for a game time card, that they bought with real money.

3. kugutsumen.com, that is all.

If all Java Bots would just disappear it would be like living in a dream. They messed up the economy, the rares, the supplies, everything… A yellow phat if I can recall were 70mea in 06-07. Santas were 10-15mea. Now you can't get a santa for 70m. When Free Trade came back, mills were .9-1.2, now max you can get is .7. This is really messed up…

It's actually more deflation than inflation. Rares cost more cause no one can generate them, but everything else goes down. Abby whips are almost under a mil now, laws are half what they used to be.

Still, it's very sad to see this, everything is getting cheaper while people are getting richer. They really have to stop Java Bots, they can't lay around on their butts doing nothing. There a company, and if they expect there game to be what they want it to be, they have to do some fixing.

From: Huthaifah
If all Java Bots would just disappear it would be like living in a dream. They messed up the economy, the rares, the supplies, everything… A yellow phat if I can recall were 70mea in 06-07. Santas were 10-15mea. Now you can't get a santa for 70m. When Free Trade came back, mills were .9-1.2, now max you can get is .7. This is really messed up…

I remember when santas were ~200k, lol.

From: boobooo42
It's actually more deflation than inflation. Rares cost more cause no one can generate them, but everything else goes down. Abby whips are almost under a mil now, laws are half what they used to be.

They have to create a new skill that will suck money out of the economy, such as summoning did

I remember when santas were ~200k, lol.

That's when RS Botting was very little, and the economy was great, pking was great, having fun was great, everything was great. RsBot ruined everything..

From: uncfan1119
They have to create a new skill that will suck money out of the economy, such as summoning did

That won't fix it, you don't need a coin sink. Taking gp out of the economy won't cause prices to go up, they wll go down because there is less "gold" to go around, and less to spend per item. They need to take resources out of the economy, but all Jagex keeps doing is making it easier to farm them :facepalm:

Some examples I can think of:

1. Soft clay and vials, made a right click to soften and fill vials all at once. (soft clay used to be 200 gp, now 89 at most)

2. Teletabs, made a right-click to make all in your inv at once. (Tele to house was between 1000-1200 gp, now it's 550 on a good day)

3. Putting bank deposits everywhere made it so things like ores and logs flooded the economy as more places opened up to farm them from. (Laws went from 300-400 down to 200-220)

4. Opening up free trade made it so many things dropped in price, like law runes, since the whole "fast free laws" could function again.

5. Gravestones. No one loses multi-million dollar equipment anymore, there is no risk involved in using them. Since these items don't get recycled back into the game's "ether", the price goes down as bosses are farmed for drops.

Shall I go on?


Edit: honestly I don't mind the price drops, everything but rares drop pretty equally… kinda. I honestly think flooding the economy with resources and money is Jagex's way of catching up the newbies to the oldbie's gamestyle. i.e. "ohhh I want the pretty staff of light, but it's 6 mil." "Well now you can get one son, cause we've dropped the price to 1.2 mil! Just mine rune essence for a couple days!."

What if they switch the hooks like every day. I know some people have tools that will auto update the hooks, but I'm sure you could break that easily. And by time the hooks are fixed, Jagex would update them again? That might break the java bots

From: uncfan1119
What if they switch the hooks like every day. I know some people have tools that will auto update the hooks, but I'm sure you could break that easily. And by time the hooks are fixed, Jagex would update them again? That might break the java bots

Please, please no. I would like to get to 99 in some skill some day, but I have a life. Botting is the only sane way I will try that won't take me 10 years…

On that note, I wonder how much time it would take a guy to get the completionist cape. Is it even viable for anyone with a healthy lifestyle?

From: boobooo42
Please, please no. I would like to get to 99 in some skill some day, but I have a life. Botting is the only sane way I will try that won't take me 10 years…

On that note, I wonder how much time it would take a guy to get the completionist cape. Is it even viable for anyone with a healthy lifestyle?

It depends on what you call a healthy lifestyle. RL friends? Family? Some maxed players have youtube channels showing their daily routines, Wakeup, exercise, runescape, eat, runescape, eat, runescape, eat, runescape, sleep.

This is how my day goes. Wakeup, Check my bot, Go on SRL, Go outside to play basketball for a few hours, Check my bot, Go on SRL, Go back outside later on to play more basketball, Check my bot, Go on SRL, Sleep. :D, I love my routine. And the best part about it is I balance everything out. Anyways, I think Jagex is thinking, were helping obese people. If they bot, they have more time for exercising, but that is wrong, when they're botting, they're either making a bot, or eating. (This is for RsBot people, if your from SRL it doesn't count cause your cool. This is aimed to make RsBot people feel bad ;P).

Wonder how many people actually used to play when players that had skill levels over 50 were amazing (or just considered no lifes) and there wasn't really anything over a mil. God, I'll never miss that freaking sleeping bag.

Its a shame i no some of us bot, but least we try blend in and not be so oblivious…

"Thanks" to RSBuddy, botting is easier than before. Players don't have to move any files anywhere and the installation of scripts is just 2 clicks. Almost every person nowadays bots with RSBuddy. You won't find a f2p world without 10 bots mining ores.

Runescape IS going DOWN. In order for there to be a fix, Jagex must change the concept of the game. On the other hand, maybe Jagex is still getting the same amount of profit as it used to if not more?

Jagex is at fault, after all it is their game. They should do a mass ban, fix their banning system(would be amazing if java bots were killed off :D), remove the wilderness/free trade etc. They simply aren't doing enough to maintain their game. It is sad really, nobody plays legit any more. Runescape isn't 'FUN'(at least for me) like it used to be, and I do rather miss the days when it was. :crying:

From: Huthaifah
This is how my day goes. Wakeup, Check my bot, Go on SRL, Go outside to play basketball for a few hours, Check my bot, Go on SRL, Go back outside later on to play more basketball, Check my bot, Go on SRL, Sleep. :D, I love my routine. And the best part about it is I balance everything out. Anyways, I think Jagex is thinking, were helping obese people. If they bot, they have more time for exercising, but that is wrong, when they're botting, they're either making a bot, or eating. (This is for RsBot people, if your from SRL it doesn't count cause your cool. This is aimed to make RsBot people feel bad ;P).

Lol'd

U guys know the scripters over at RSBot haven't been updating their scripts for a while right? its like they wanna stop ppl from abusing their scripts or something :S

I've been look at scripts over there to see if there's any original ideas or if there is any waterfiends scripts.. and all I could see were comments like: "Please!!!!!! Update!! Please! Why are scripters not updating any of their scripts!".. "Please update for the latest rsbot.. I really need this".

I don't know about you people but a mass ban is coming pretty soon. Same way aryan went down, Rsbot and Rsbuddy will too. Then everyone will come flocking back to SRL.

From: kingarabian
I don't know about you people but a mass ban is coming pretty soon. Same way aryan went down, Rsbot and Rsbuddy will too. Then everyone will come flocking back to SRL.

I heard a mass ban was coming "soon" over a year ago.

From: Coh3n
I heard a mass ban was coming "soon" over a year ago.

Same, but they will do something.

From: kingarabian
Same, but they will do something.

Let's hope so.

From: Coh3n
Let's hope so.

Is there anything besides Runescape we, as a majority, are interested in? I see alot of posts about Minecraft, but how would SRL fit into that?

The only other game I've played is some smal, 2D game called QueVille. It's really nothing fancy, but what drew attraction to me is the multiple skills (like Runescape) and high scores. I made a couple scripts that put me at the top of the highscores in multiple skills in just a couple days. Made the login procedures, everything. Although, I was banned from player mods, not game detection.

From: Flight
Is there anything besides Runescape we, as a majority, are interested in? I see alot of posts about Minecraft, but how would SRL fit into that?

The only other game I've played is some smal, 2D game called QueVille. It's really nothing fancy, but what drew attraction to me is the multiple skills (like Runescape) and high scores. I made a couple scripts that put me at the top of the highscores in multiple skills in just a couple days. Made the login procedures, everything. Although, I was banned from player mods, not game detection.

I don't really know honestly. What I do like, though, is that a lot of people here share an interest in programming rather than Runescape itself. It's always nice to know that if for whatever reason RS died or became unbottable, we'd survive as a programming community. :)

From: Coh3n
I don't really know honestly. What I do like, though, is that a lot of people here share an interest in programming rather than Runescape itself. It's always nice to know that if for whatever reason RS died or became unbottable, we'd survive as a programming community. :)

Yes we will, and other communities most likely won't.

Holy shit footballjds you're still around :P

Just nostalgia'd, greetings from mitb

From: TaylorV
Holy shit footballjds you're still around :P

Just nostalgia'd, greetings from mitb

awww shit, :P you used my fletchers :D
yeah, i lurk

I'm sorry to tell you.. But I don't think it's coming anytime soon. Would be a good christmas/h'ween present for rs players tho.