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"TEN UN workers have been killed in an attack on the UN headquarters in the northern Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif by demonstrators protesting against the burning of the Koran by a US pastor."

I just think this is absolutely stupid, the Koran is just a book. It is paper with ink on it (Or sometimes, other things).

And now Islamic people have killed ten UN workers because a book was burnt, and it wasn't even burnt by the UN workers, it was burnt by a US pastor.

What are your opinins on this? Is it ok to kill people because a book was burnt?

Story at: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ten-un-workers-killed-in-afghanistan/story-e6frf7lf-1226032364160

Edit: Newer and more detailed story at http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/koran-burning-sparks-new-afghan-violence/story-e6frg6so-1226032745469

Yeah it's very unfair that innocent people were murdered just because someone of the same race burned a holy book. To you it may just be a book, but to them it is holy and the word of their God, no I'm not justifying their actions at all, just saying you sound a bit harsh about the Koran.

Also, lol at the 'article' it's two sentences!

From: YoHoJo
Yeah it's very unfair that innocent people were murdered just because someone of the same race burned a holy book. To you it may just be a book, but to them it is holy and the word of their God, no I'm not justifying their actions at all, just saying you sound a bit harsh about the Koran.

Also, lol at the 'article' it's two sentences!

Yeah but the same can be said about any book. If someone who is not religious at all burns the bible because they do not want it, does that mean people who are religious should go around killing other people? I mean when it comes down to the basics, it is really just a book. I don't mean to sound harsh or anything, but really …

Hahaha, yeah the article was short as, I couldn't really find more information about it.

You leave me no choice but to flame.

Don't call the Qur'an a "book". It's a holy book for us Muslims, and for you to go out there and say its a "book" is a big insult. Your fucking stereotyping, and your from that breed of Atheists who are ignorant, hateful, and plain stupid.

Do you understand the political tension going on in Afghanistan? Do you know how it feels to have your country to be in ruins for something it did not do? Osama Bin Ladin does not even live in Afghanistan NOR is he from there. He is from Saudia Arabia, and the CIA says he now lives in Pakistan.


I am not justifying what happened at the protest and what happened to those U.N workers. But you need to understand there is a major war going on and these things are bound to happen. Don't go blaming all the Muslims for this. Don't forget that damn pastor for creating "burn a Qur'an day".

Every week we see dozens of INNOCENT CIVILIANS killed by NATO and U.S forces. Justify that. Why don't you create threads about that? Oh right! Your trying to flame Muslims and bash them anyway you can.

From: kingarabian
You leave me no choice but to flame.

Don't call the Qur'an a "book". It's a holy book for us Muslims, and for you to go out there and say its a "book" is a big insult. Your fucking stereotyping, and your from that breed of Atheists who are ignorant, hateful, and plain stupid.

Do you understand the political tension going on in Afghanistan? Do you know how it feels to have your country to be in ruins for something it did not do? Osama Bin Ladin does not even live in Afghanistan NOR is he from there. He is from Saudia Arabia, and the CIA says he now lives in Pakistan.


I am not justifying what happened at the protest and what happened to those U.N workers. But you need to understand there is a major war going on and these things are bound to happen. Don't go blaming all the Muslims for this. Don't forget that damn pastor for creating "burn a Qur'an day".

Every week we see dozens of INNOCENT CIVILIANS killed by NATO and U.S forces. Justify that. Why don't you create threads about that? Oh right! Your trying to flame Muslims and bash them anyway you can.

Calm down bro. It's just a book. The Bible is just a book. The Miqra/Tanakh is just a book. I don't think cycro was flaming - the only reason threads aren't made about what you say about what is happening aren't publicized. How do you know this is happening? I haven't seen any articles like that, except for a while ago on wiki leaks with the footage of the US attack helicopter attacking civilians somewhere in the middle east.

Two wrongs don't make a right (Almost said write lol).

From: TomTuff
Calm down bro. It's just a book. The Bible is just a book. The Miqra/Tanakh is just a book. I don't think cycro was flaming - the only reason threads aren't made about what you say about what is happening aren't publicized. How do you know this is happening? I haven't seen any articles like that, except for a while ago on wiki leaks with the footage of the US attack helicopter attacking civilians somewhere in the middle east.

Two wrongs don't make a right (Almost said write lol).

Exactly you both don't know jack shit about what is REALLY going on over there. I visit American news sites daily (CNN, ABC, FOX) and I see articles consistently with some official "apologizing". You don't understand how it feels to be like them. What they saw, what they witnessed, what they are going through every single day. Just sit your ass all day at home play Xbox play some Runescape, go out hang with your chick come back home and repeat.

He is obviously trying to pinpoint Muslims. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know it.

No it's more than a book. It is our sacred holy book. And I find it offensive for him to describe the Quran like that.

From: kingarabian
You leave me no choice but to flame.

Don't call the Qur'an a "book". It's a holy book for us Muslims, and for you to go out there and say its a "book" is a big insult. Your fucking stereotyping, and your from that breed of Atheists who are ignorant, hateful, and plain stupid.

Yeah, it is a holy book for Muslims and Islams. What about the rest of the world? What about catholics, jews and buddhist people? Do you really think they all see it as a holy book? I mean, how do you see the bible? You see that as a book I am assuming, just like people who are buddhist or another religion which doesn't believe in the christian god.

Do you understand the political tension going on in Afghanistan? Do you know how it feels to have your country to be in ruins for something it did not do? Osama Bin Ladin does not even live in Afghanistan NOR is he from there. He is from Saudia Arabia, and the CIA says he now lives in Pakistan.

Pretty much all the countries from that area are facing political tension. I know he doesn't life in Afghanistan, and yes I know he was born in Saudia Arabia - If he even exists, (Not saying he doesn't) but I have heard lots of conspiracy theories about it.

I am not justifying what happened at the protest and what happened to those U.N workers. But you need to understand there is a major war going on and these things are bound to happen. Don't go blaming all the Muslims for this. Don't forget that damn pastor for creating "burn a Qur'an day".

Ok so in simple terms: A book was burnt (The koran) and because of political problems and such, UN workers were MURDERED. They didn't even do anything. They were not part of the problem AT ALL. It is like saying, person 1 works at a computer company, and person 2 created a computer virus. LETS ALL KILL PERSON 1.

Every week we see dozens of INNOCENT CIVILIANS killed by NATO and U.S forces. Justify that. Why don't you create threads about that? Oh right! Your trying to flame Muslims and bash them anyway you can.

I am not trying to flame Muslims or bash them at all. It is just so crazy that UN people got murded because the Koran/Quaran/Qur'an got burnt by someone who had nothing to do with it. Could you imagine if you worked for the UN and someone half way across the world burnt the Koran and then YOU got murdered for it?

From: cycrosism
yeah, it is a holy book for muslims and islams. What about the rest of the world? What about catholics, jews and buddhist people? Do you really think they all see it as a holy book? I mean, how do you see the bible? You see that as a book i am assuming, just like people who are buddhist or another religion which doesn't believe in the christian god.



Pretty much all the countries from that area are facing political tension. I know he doesn't life in afghanistan, and yes i know he was born in saudia arabia - if he even exists, (not saying he doesn't) but i have heard lots of conspiracy theories about it.



Ok so in simple terms: A book was burnt (the koran) and because of political problems and such, un workers were murdered. They didn't even do anything. They were not part of the problem at all. It is like saying, person 1 works at a computer company, and person 2 created a computer virus. Lets all kill person 1.



I am not trying to flame muslims or bash them at all. It is just so crazy that un people got murded because the koran/quaran/qur'an got burnt by someone who had nothing to do with it. Could you imagine if you worked for the un and someone half way across the world burnt the koran and then you got murdered for it?

Could you imagine having a foreign country invade your country and have either you relatives or your family members murdered for doing nothing. Could you imagine having a foreign country corrupting your government?

From: kingarabian
Could you imagine having a foreign country invade your country and have either you relatives or your family members murdered for doing nothing.

I doubt that would ever happen where I live.

Could you imagine having a foreign country corrupting your government?

Our government is already corrupt.

It's just a book to me.

From: kingarabian
Could you imagine having a foreign country invade your country and have either you relatives or your family members murdered for doing nothing. Could you imagine having a foreign country corrupting your government?

Could you imagine thousands of people dying in moments because some righteous jack ass told his friends to hijack planes and use them as martyrs? Do you know how it feels to have had 2 (albeit distant) family members on the plane that hit the WTC? Our government had to react, and Afghanistan wouldn't allow us to enter their territory to wipe out the Taliban ourselves, so we took action. Obviously, we're not going to come in, wreck a country, and just leave - although I do agree we've probably been in the Middle East trying to 'fix' things for too long.

From: cycrosism
Our government is already corrupt.

Rep++

At least NATO forces don't kill over a "holy" book. It's just a book. Only special about is it that it contains fairytales that the muslims enjoy. Just like the bible contains fairytails christians like. It's just a normal story with a morale, what you should do and what you shouldn't. It gives them hope, but there's not really a point in believing in it. People just like to believe in it in bad times. They like to think that after their miserable life they will come to a better place, or be reborn to a better life or whatever. It's all just bullshit. Killing some over a book… … … … …

By burning the Qu'ran, you offend all Muslims. So a certain small group of people (pastor and his church) does radical things and a certain group retaliated in any way they can. End of discussion…

From: TomTuff
Could you imagine thousands of people dying in moments because some righteous jack ass told his friends to hijack planes and use them as martyrs? Do you know how it feels to have had 2 (albeit distant) family members on the plane that hit the WTC? Our government had to react, and Afghanistan wouldn't allow us to enter their territory to wipe out the Taliban ourselves, so we took action. Obviously, we're not going to come in, wreck a country, and just leave - although I do agree we've probably been in the Middle East trying to 'fix' things for too long.

Right, I'm still uncertain about that story…Media propaganda kills…

This is a thread full of shit, no one in the government of the US gives a crap about terrorists. Bush was stupid enough to say it himself; "we need another pearl harbor". It's all oil. We, the western countries, need to learn to keep our greedy hands out of other people's countries.

Those few people of the UN that died, are so outnumbered by the Muslims that died there! Remember we are the attackers, we are in there country!

Propaganda people, think deeper.

From: gamer716
By burning the Qu'ran, you offend all Muslims. So a certain small group of people (pastor and his church) does radical things and a certain group retaliated in any way they can. End of discussion…

What do you mean end of discussion? 10 members of the UN who did nothing wrong were killed because a book was burnt

From: cycrosism
What do you mean end of discussion? 10 members of the UN who did nothing wrong were killed because a book was burnt

False. They were doing wrong things… It's just they work for us so we say they were doing good things.

From: masterBB
This is a thread full of shit, no one in the government of the US gives a crap about terrorists. Bush was stupid enough to say it himself; "we need another pearl harbor". It's all oil. We, the western countries, need to learn to keep our greedy hands out of other people's countries.

Those few people of the UN that died, are so outnumbered by the Muslims that died there! Remember we are the attackers, we are in there country!

Propaganda people, think deeper.

I agree, who knows how many civilians died because of a false war…

The US has the most powerful military complexes in the world…That is what I should be scared of….

From: masterBB
False. They were doing wrong things… It's just they work for us so we say they were doing good things.

They didn't do anything! They are members of the UN who killed killed for something a US pastor did

From: kingarabian

Every week we see dozens of INNOCENT CIVILIANS killed by NATO and U.S forces. Justify that. Why don't you create threads about that? Oh right! Your trying to flame Muslims and bash them anyway you can.

If NATO or some other military alliance hadn't killed them (by accident ofc), then the taliban would have killed then on purpose; and since the taliban is technically working under the koran… you work it out…

Well kingarabian, I see where you're coming at in your point. It's no where near 'fair' to post a handful of deaths of only one-sided religion, in this case Christians. (Adding to this, it was started by them by burning Korans, this was pathetic) Now on the other hand, that was no where near as extreme as taking people's lives. Murder is murder, it's never justified and it's never done for the right cause.

If you start to wonder why Muslims as a whole are becoming more and more hated, especially as of late, it's because of the extreme level they're taking this to. Not only is it their actions against Christians but here where I currently live there's, what we call, 'Muslim wars' going on. Local Muslims are fed up with the Sadia-Arabia 'type' Muslims and it's becoming violent here, irregardless if it's ultimately the same religion.

I for one, though, can vouch for Muslims around my area. They're very kind to one another, extremely kind to me (and I'm a foreigner with no religion), and they're happy no matter what situation they're in. Whether this is because it's just how people from this area are or it's because Muslims are alot kinder then what we take them for, I've nothing against them as people. Although the religion I'm not for, in any way…

Religion is the root of wars. Nothing good comes from religions, you go by what priests and scriptures tell you what they believe to be the truth. All religions tell you what to believe, what is truth and fact, the only exception (that I'm aware of) is Buddhism. They don't believe in Gods, nor do they tell you what to believe or even tell you what's truth or not. They simply tell you to find this out on your own, find your own belief in life and not to follow everyone else, but experience this own your own, choose your own path if you will. Balance in nature, karma, ect… all from Buddhism.

Most religions are defined by their beliefs. But in Buddhism, merely believing in doctrines is beside the point. The Buddha said that we should not accept doctrines just because we read them in scripture or are taught them by priests.

Instead of teaching doctrines to be memorized and believed, the Buddha taught how we can realize truth for ourselves. The focus of Buddhism is on practice rather than belief. The major outline of Buddhist practice is the Eightfold Path.

I'm not religious in any way so I'm not taking sides in this Muslim/Christian war. But had I to choose a religion to follow, I'd without a doubt lean twords Buddhism. They seem to be all about improving yourself, bringing happiness to others, and finding your own path based on what you believe, not what you told from a priest.

Kingabrian, do you really believe that it is okay to kill 10 people for burning a book?!
And you call him "ignorant, hateful, and plain stupid"?!?!

People from around the world die daily for doing nothing wrong. This is just another one of those cases of innocent people dieing for no reason.

From: Zyt3x
Kingabrian, do you really believe that it is okay to kill 10 people for burning a book?!
And you call him "ignorant, hateful, and plain stupid"?!?!

He said that the deaths of the UN murders were not justifiable. Kingarabain was simply stating that blaming Islamic people as a whole for these murders is "ignorant, hateful, and plain stupid". I couldn't agree more….

Not all Muslims are bad. I know many kind Muslims. However, killing over the burning of a book, holy book or not, is ridiculous at best. It isn't like there is one copy of that book and they permanently destroyed the knowledge of the time.

Two things:

There are reports that a PEACEFUL protest was infiltrated by Taliban radicals, and that the Taliban plants are the ones that carried out the murders and beheadings. If so, to try to justify the murders as some sort of natural response to stressful conditions would just mean you're being a pawn for these radicals.

Second, since the US government has already admitted that there is no vital national interest for our bombings of Libya, and that the violence there represents no threat to our country or its interests, Obama's excuse was that he was protecting American "values", and acting to end the bloodshed. If that's our rationale, Obama should be launching air strikes on mosques in this village. What value is more American that freedom of expression, as demonstrated by the pastor? What bloodshed could be any more offensive to American values than the murder and beheading of innocent international workers trying to bring peace to Afghanistan? Air strikes there make even more sense than they do in Libya.

From: gamer716
He said that the deaths of the UN murders were not justifiable. Kingarabain was simply stating that blaming Islamic people as a whole for these murders is "ignorant, hateful, and plain stupid". I couldn't agree more….

It's not the fault of the inhabitans, it's the fault of religion in it's very essence.

To the Muslims this is just not a book, its a guideline of how you are suppose to live, to them it is really important, they are fanatical obsessed with Allah and all the rules. but yea anyways i think it was wrong of them, but clearly the Muslims got another sight on it.

From: tom99
To the Muslims this is just not a book, its a guideline of how you are suppose to live, to them it is really important, they are fanatical obsessed with Allah and all the rules. but yea anyways i think it was wrong of them, but clearly the Muslims got another sight on it.

To the muslims the bible is a book, to the christians the Quaran is a book.

From: tom99
To the Muslims this is just not a book, its a guideline of how you are suppose to live, to them it is really important, they are fanatical obsessed with Allah and all the rules. but yea anyways i think it was wrong of them, but clearly the Muslims got another sight on it.

I could understand it if the person who bought the book were med about some people burning it, but I see no harm when it's people who own the book burn it themselves…

If hey own it they can do whatever they want with it

From: Wizzup?
It's not the fault of the inhabitans, it's the fault of religion in it's very essence.

As is all wars. It's always the innocent people who pay the price. I once heard on one of Linkin Park's songs "When the rich wage war it's the poor who die". How very accurate.

From: Zyt3x
I could understand it if the person who bought the book were med about some people burning it, but I see no harm when it's people who own the book burn it themselves…

Exactly. Afterall, it was only a copy of the original. So I don't really see why 10 people should get killed because a copy of an "sacred" book was burnt.

I can understand however if the original copy got burnt (If there still is an original)

Christians would never kill muslims for burning a bible … They could burn the norwegian flag for all I care, I would just laugh at their attempt to insult me

From: Emaziz
Christians would never kill muslims for burning a bible … They could burn the norwegian flag for all I care, I would just laugh at their attempt to insult me

So you're saying Muslims are generally more aggressive than Christians?

From: Zyt3x
So you're saying Muslims are generally more aggressive than Christians?

Well, they do act more aggressively to things such as burning a book or saying something like Mohammad is an idiot. I doubt christians/catholics would get super pissed off/angry if someone said John the Baptist was an idiot or if Jesus/Mary was an idiot. They would just ignore that person.

From: cycrosism
Well, they do act more aggressively to things such as burning a book or saying something like Mohammad is an idiot. I doubt christians/catholics would get super pissed off/angry if someone said John the Baptist was an idiot or if Jesus/Mary was an idiot. They would just ignore that person.

I think that has to do with what environmental they're used to, and not what religion they believe in.

From: Zyt3x
I think that has to do with what environmental they're used to, and not what religion they believe in.

Then how come its always about Islamics and Muslims?

From: cycrosism
Then how come its always about Islamics and Muslims?

You seriously think that if I were to convert to Islam, I would automatically turn more aggressive…?

They're the two major religions of the world, completely opposite from each other. Obviously conflicts will be had. I support Buddhism (No Gods, no rules, no guidelines to follow, just self-belief). :thumbsup:

From: Flight
They're the two major religions of the world, completely opposite from each other. Obviously conflicts will be had. I support Buddhism (No Gods, no rules, no guidelines to follow, just self-belief). :thumbsup:

Actually they are not so different…If you really knew anything about Islam then you would know that

There has to be about more than thousands of people that attend the local mosque near my neighborhood and there's a church right beside it. No conflicts or issues…

From: cycrosism
Then how come its always about Islamics and Muslims?

You're so dumb. And I will not discuss that nor will I argument that.

From: Emaziz
Christians would never kill muslims for burning a bible … They could burn the norwegian flag for all I care, I would just laugh at their attempt to insult me

Yeah. The Dark Ages never happened either, did they?

From: Wizzup?
Yeah. The Dark Ages never happened either, did they?

I'm not familiar with that topic. :)

From: gamer716
Actually they are not so different…If you really knew anything about Islam then you would know that

There has to be about more than thousands of people that attend the local mosque near my neighborhood and there's a church right beside it. No conflicts or issues…

From almost a year of living in the most Islamic-populated country in the world I picked up a thing or two about the religion, mate. What's thousands of people to you is nothing compared to how many I see on a daily basis.

Also, Emaziz, I also had forgotten much about what I knew of the Dark Ages. All I remember learning was about 'Holy Crusades' and what not. If you wanna find out a little bit about this era, I suggest reading this:
http://www.allabouthistory.org/the-dark-ages.htm
It's a pretty interesting read if you're much into History. I know not everyone is, so I hope you atleast get a basic idea of what they were from reading this. :)

From: masterBB
You're so dumb. And I will not discuss that nor will I argument that.

Just saying, I have never seen jews kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen buddhists kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen Athiests kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen Orthodox/Protestant kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen Hindu's kill 10 people because a book was burnt.

It's always Muslims and Islamics. And no Zyt3x I wasn't saying that if you converted to that religion you would become aggressive, I am just stating that out of all the main religions in the world, Muslim/Islam people tend to react a lot more to trivial things such as a book being burnt.

Edit: I go onto the news and I see "Suicide attack kills dozens at Pakistani shrine" I think hmmm and start reading it. I read the following: "Sufi worshippers, who follow a mystical strain of Islam, have increasingly been the target of bloody attacks by Islamist militants in Pakistan."

Makes you wonder. Story at http://www.theage.com.au/world/suicide-attacks-kill-dozens-at-pakistani-shrine-20110404-1cti6.html

From: cycrosism
And no Zyt3x I wasn't saying that if you converted to that religion you would become aggressive, I am just stating that out of all the main religions in the world, Muslim/Islam people tend to react a lot more to trivial things such as a book being burnt.

I seriously hope you're trying to troll now.

Saying "Muslim/Islam people tend to react a lot more to trivial things such as a book being burnt." is the same as saying "if you convert to that religion you would become aggressive".

From: Zyt3x
Saying "Muslim/Islam people tend to react a lot more to trivial things such as a book being burnt." is the same as saying "if you convert to that religion you would become aggressive".

It's not. Read my last post, it just shows you how no other religion in the world has killed people because a book was burnt. You see on the news that 10 UN workers were killed because a book was burnt. Why? Why did members of the UN have to get killed for something they didn't do? They had nothing to do with it.

If things like that happen in places like that, would you want to travel to that place?

Just thought i would join in and give my thoughts on this.

i am a christian and even though the koran is just a book to me, i still respect it and wouldnt burn it, its just disrespectful.

as for saying that christians wouldnt do it and budists and so on, your wrong i can guarantee they would do it, every religion has extremists that will act out.

i would also like to point out that the only reason we hear about this is because the news wants to make a point about it and get public interest going, because it provides more sales (i know its was websites you linked)

From: cycrosism
It's not. Read my last post, it just shows you how no other religion in the world has killed people because a book was burnt. You see on the news that 10 UN workers were killed because a book was burnt. Why? Why did members of the UN have to get killed for something they didn't do? They had nothing to do with it.

If things like that happen in places like that, would you want to travel to that place?

Please read some history. Christianity is the biggest mass murderer in history, and the reason why they were killed was because they refused to believe in Jesus (a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father and can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree)

From: Zyt3x
I seriously hope you're trying to troll now.

Saying "Muslim/Islam people tend to react a lot more to trivial things such as a book being burnt." is the same as saying "if you convert to that religion you would become aggressive".

I like you, you're norwegian:p but wtf are you argueing about? Do you disagree that muslim/islam people tend to react like that? He's not talking about that specific person, but the muslim/islam people in general. There is no doubt in my mind that his statement is true.

I just go through life trying not to step on as many toes as I can…I also wear steel toed boots.

From: Zyt3x
Please read some history. Christianity is the biggest mass murderer in history, and the reason why they were killed was because they refused to believe in Jesus (a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father and can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree)

Semi-related picture:

From: Emaziz
I like you, you're norwegian:p but wtf are you argueing about? Do you disagree that muslim/islam people tend to react like that? He's not talking about that specific person, but the muslim/islam people in general. There is no doubt in my mind that his statement is true.

Well, obviously I don't feel the same way…

I don't think "being muslim" makes you more aggressive in any ways.
There's some people who are saying that there's a 6th pillar of Islam which is jihad, but that's the persons interpretation.

Believing in a religion doesn't make you more aggressive in any ways. Your interpretation of the 'rules' of the religion might change you, but simply believing in a religion doesn't make you any different.

Don't judge a person because of his religion, judge him by his actions.

From: Zyt3x
Well, obviously I don't feel the same way…

I don't think "being muslim" makes you more aggressive in any ways.
There's some people who are saying that there's a 6th pillar of Islam which is jihad, but that's the persons interpretation.

Believing in a religion doesn't make you more aggressive in any ways. Your interpretation of the 'rules' of the religion might change you, but simply believing in a religion doesn't make you any different.

Don't judge a person because of his religion, judge him by his actions.

If those muslims hadn't been muslims, but they had grown up in a christian family with christian traditions, would they still execute someone over a holy book?

Edit: oh, and about your 'please read some history' post, history isn't relevant. We're talking about the modern world.

i did not read many previous threads, but my personal belief is that we should have respected each other.

this US pastor should never have even thought about disrespecting Muslims in such a way. sure, to many it may just be a book, but to some, it holds great significance. by burning it, the person is showing great disrespect to those who love the book. this itself is a huge issue. someone needs to smack that pastor and take away his pastoral title, but oh wait, they cant. that's the issue these day, anyone can call themselves a pastor -.-

From: x[Warrior]x3500
this US pastor should never have even thought about disrespecting Muslims in such a way.

And the Muslims should have never thought about murdering 10 UN workers over it.

sure, to many it may just be a book, but to some, it holds great significance. by burning it, the person is showing great disrespect to those who love the book.

And because a US pastor has disrespected you, that means you can go and murder 10 UN workers?

this itself is a huge issue. someone needs to smack that pastor and take away his pastoral title

Burning a book is a huge issue, but so is killing UN workers. Those responsible should get a smack and get sent to jail.

The amount of ignorance and arrogance in this thread is astounding. King is the only person who has had a full post of logical thought thus far..

From: i luffs yeww
The amount of ignorance and arrogance in this thread is astounding. King is the only person who has had a full post of logical thought thus far..

So what, you say it is okay to kill 10 UN workers over a book?

From: Emaziz
So what, you say it is okay to kill 10 UN workers over a book?

wow its amazing how you managed to get that out off what he said…..

From: Emaziz
So what, you say it is okay to kill 10 UN workers over a book?

That's exactly what I'm sayin' brah!

From: Bobzilla69
wow its amazing how you managed to get that out off what he said…..

Apparently he agrees with King and disagrees with everyone else, so it wasn't really hard to get that out of what he said.

That's not what I said at all bro. It's just amazing to me that so many people think it's about religion and religious texts.. It's all about money. It's always money.

From: Emaziz
Apparently he agrees with King and disagrees with everyone else, so it wasn't really hard to get that out of what he said.

I think you need a recap because clearly you don't understand.

From: i luffs yeww
The amount of ignorance and arrogance in this thread is astounding.

yep that clearly looks like he supports the killing to me.

From: i luffs yeww
King is the only person who has had a full post of logical thought thus far..

yep he clearly states that King was the only person to show LOGICAL THOUGHTS in his posts and not simply make blind ignorant statements.

so yeh that 100% sounds to me like he is supporting the killing off the 10 UN workers.

From: cycrosism
And the Muslims should have never thought about murdering 10 UN workers over it.

no shit lol

From: cycrosism

And because a US pastor has disrespected you, that means you can go and murder 10 UN workers?

u just repeated urself.

From: cycrosism

Burning a book is a huge issue, but so is killing UN workers. Those responsible should get a smack and get sent to jail.

completely agreed. i just wanted to point out how pathetic we as humans are. so many people don't even respect others because we are too close minded. this whole issue is centered around a lack of respect, not religion. should the have burned the book, no; should the Muslims have killed the workers, no; why did it happen: they don't give a shit about the other person.

respect is a powerful tool that can avoid most conflicts.

Of course we should respect eachother, I do (believe it or not) respect other religions, including muslims. However, killing 10 people is an INCREDIBLY bigger deal than burning a book, holy or not. Therefore I don't even see why people are talking about respect for religions. Respect for human life, that's what we should be discussing.

From: Emaziz
Of course we should respect eachother, I do (believe it or not) respect other religions, including muslims. However, killing 10 people is an INCREDIBLY bigger deal than burning a book, holy or not. Therefore I don't even see why people are talking about respect for religions. Respect for human life, that's what we should be discussing.

You really aren't getting this. Bleh.

Do you really think that the people who killed the UN workers did it just because some paper was burned? Of course not. Do you think the events on September 11, 2001 were just because they were told to because of a religion? Of course not. If you complain about people being closed-minded you should check yourself before you wreck yourself, bro.

It's about money. We import drugs to America from all around the world so that we can lock people up in private prisons and run drug tests on them and tax everything so that we can fund more drugs and violence and then the rich get richer and the poor stay poor. Business as usual.

We owed them money, bro. We've killed many more of their people over money than they have ours. And that can be said about just about any group of people versus us. We have a lot of power (read: money), and we will not allow people to f**k with that power (read: money).

From: Emaziz
Therefore I don't even see why people are talking about respect for religions. Respect for human life, that's what we should be discussing.

when the hell did i specify respect? both actions involve respect, even u pointed it out.

everyone should be punished according to their country's laws.

this whole topic is based upon cultural and/or religious backgrounds (the opinion section of it). this thread is a breading ground for flamers. non-muslims will be flaming muslims and muslims will retaliate in flaming non-muslims.

pointless thread is pointless

EDIT: very interesting theory ian, but idk how much actually relates to money. guess there are a lot more facts left out that i thought

From: i luffs yeww
You really aren't getting this. Bleh.

Do you really think that the people who killed the UN workers did it just because some paper was burned? Of course not. Do you think the events on September 11, 2001 were just because they were told to because of a religion? Of course not. If you complain about people being closed-minded you should check yourself before you wreck yourself, bro.

It's about money. We import drugs to America from all around the world so that we can lock people up in private prisons and run drug tests on them and tax everything so that we can fund more drugs and violence and then the rich get richer and the poor stay poor. Business as usual.

We owed them money, bro. We've killed many more of their people over money than they have ours. And that can be said about just about any group of people versus us. We have a lot of power (read: money), and we will not allow people to f**k with that power (read: money).

Point taken. Thought we were discussing killing over books, not killing over money.

From: x[Warrior]x3500
when the hell did i specify respect? both actions involve respect, even u pointed it out.

Where the hell did I quote you? (Besides here)

From: Emaziz
Point taken. Thought we were discussing killing over books, not killing over money.

This thread is about the very simplistic way that the media and the UN and politicians will want you to see this. Yes, there were book(s) burned, and UN members were killed. That is true, and I don't think there's any dispute. But that's only if you look at it how those previously mentioned parties want you to look at it.

Middle eastern countries have enormous amounts of poppies which are used to make heroin and other opiates. We're well aware that those are getting imported to America (the CIA imports an astounding amount of cocaine from Columbia, and I'm sure they do the same for poppies). We trade with them, and it's usually business as usual. However, for the past few decades, we've been pretty flaky with our promises. I don't have all of the super top secret stuff at my finger tips, but we do know that a lot of the people in power in the middle east are because of the CIA. It's been happening for ages.

America is one of the filthiest, money-hungry countries that has ever existed. However, I won't deny the good living style. That's a whole other issue, though.

I've updated the first post and added this link in

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/koran-burning-sparks-new-afghan-violence/story-e6frg6so-1226032745469

You should all check it out.

Some main points said if you don't want to look at it

the death toll had risen to 10, with 83 injured.

“Death to America” and “Death to Karzai” chanted the demonstrators. “They have insulted our Koran,” shouted one.

20 people had been arrested, among them 10 who were in possession of weapons and grenades, adding that police and civilians had been shot.

“In fact, it wasn't a demonstration, it was an attack which caused heavy damage to civilians and private property,” he said.

This ones for you Zyt3x:

Church head Pastor Terry Jones said “we don't feel responsible” for the attack, adding: “The radical element of Islam takes (the burning) as an excuse to promote their violent activities.”

The remaining 11 international UN staff in Mazar-i-Sharif had been temporarily redeployed to Kabul, Staffan de Mistura told reporters, after their office was “destroyed” in the violence.

five other people, thought to be protesters, were killed while at least 20 were wounded in the fighting.

So yeah, pretty much not only have UN workers been attacked/killed, now innocent people are too

From: cycrosism

You never cease to amaze me. You are incredibly closed-minded. I've tried to tell you before that you're the same exact person as all of those people you say are stupid and closed-minded for following a religion, but you have one less supernatural being that you admit to believing in.

This thread will go nowhere.

From: i luffs yeww
You never cease to amaze me. You are incredibly closed-minded. I've tried to tell you before that you're the same exact person as all of those people you say are stupid and closed-minded for following a religion, but you have one less supernatural being that you admit to believing in.

If you are talking to me, I just copy-pasted all that from the article …

As you prove my point even more. Question everything, bro. Nothing is plain and simple like the lies that you willing allow people to feed you.

From: cycrosism
Just saying, I have never seen jews kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen buddhists kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen Athiests kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen Orthodox/Protestant kill 10 people because a book was burnt. I have never seen Hindu's kill 10 people because a book was burnt.

recent Jewish attacks: Cause there holy book says they need to conquer Jerusalem and kill everyone in it, they do.

You say Buddhists never killed 10 people, are you kidding me. They kinda invented martial arts, they had their wars to.

Atheists don't have a book, kinda hard to kill 10 people for burning a book that doesn't exist.

Protestant and catholics are in a fight. Ireland for example.

I don't have much knowledge about Hindus though. But I'm sure you don't have that to.

From: cycrosism
It's always Muslims and Islamics. And no Zyt3x I wasn't saying that if you converted to that religion you would become aggressive, I am just stating that out of all the main religions in the world, Muslim/Islam people tend to react a lot more to trivial things such as a book being burnt.]

They are with many. So there are always some rotten apples between them.
They who don't own many, value the things they have higher. Like being Muslim.

From: masterBB
recent Jewish attacks: Cause there holy book says they need to conquer Jerusalem and kill everyone in it, they do.

Quote the line from the Torah and I'll believe you. It's usually the Muslims who are trying to conquer Jerusalem.

From: masterBB
You say Buddhists never killed 10 people, are you kidding me. They kinda invented martial arts, they had their wars to.

That's almost like saying all Asians know martial arts, it's kinda racist. Have you ever heard of the Eightfold Path?

The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness.

Devout Buddhists are more likely to commit suicide for their beliefs than to kill or hurt another living thing, and they did during the Vietnam War. They burned themselves alive in the streets to protest Diem's rule.

The next two are correct, Atheists aren't all that violent and Christians are always fighting among themselves.

From: masterBB
I don't have much knowledge about Hindus though. But I'm sure you don't have that to.

Muslims in India are often subject to violence from the Hindu population, so I'm guessing it has happened for a reason less serious than burning a holy text. Although by Hindu belief, they should be helping their fellow man in order to achieve better karma and to be reincarnated as something better in their next life.

From: i luffs yeww
As you prove my point even more. Question everything, bro. Nothing is plain and simple like the lies that you willing allow people to feed you.

Exactly…

I seen a video explaining that British forces dressed up as Middle Eastern people and started to protest violent messages. Not everything you hear it the truth…
Deception is dangerous…

I'll stop arguing in this thread now.. you know my opinion and I know yours.

From: Echo_
Quote the line from the Torah and I'll believe you. It's usually the Muslims who are trying to conquer Jerusalem.

You ask, I deliver with a smile.
http://www.heanswersprayers.com/torah-portions/numbers/masey/

From: Echo_
That's almost like saying all Asians know martial arts, it's kinda racist.

Sorry, didn't try to say that. I just tried to say, those moves and weaponry weren't invented for the peaceful side of the Buddhism. Most of the weapons and combat techniques from the monks, once had a purpose on the battlefield.

From: Echo_
Devout Buddhists are more likely to commit suicide for their beliefs than to kill or hurt another living thing, and they did during the Vietnam War. They burned themselves alive in the streets to protest Diem's rule.'

Found a link, one of the first Google hits. Shows information about the recent Japanese Buddhism and their wars:
http://www.darkzen.com/Articles/zenholy.htm

In the war against Russia, Soen served as a chaplain in 1904. "I wished to inspire," Soen later wrote, "our valiant soldiers with the ennobling thoughts of the Buddha, so as to enable them to die on the battlefield with confidence that the task in which they are engaged is great and noble. I wish to convince them…. that this war is not a mere slaughter of their fellow-beings, but that they are combating an evil."

Sounds familiar, not?

The next two are correct, Atheists aren't all that violent and Christians are always fighting among themselves.

I believe America still attacks Middle east countries with the bible as there guide line, don't they.

Master, "I believe America still attacks Middle east countries with the bible as there guide line, don't they," is totally incorrect.

As I've said, it's not because we're a primarily Christian country. Most politicians really aren't Christian. They see and know about much more than most "Christians," and a lot of them grow up and know that it doesn't matter what they are, just what they say they are and how well they can act. Politicians do things for votes, and they know how to get people riled up. It's just like saying we were against Russia because of our Bible. No. Most American's wouldn't have known anything about communism or how "bad" it is/was if it weren't for our propaganda and politicians saying otherwise.

It's not about the religion.. It's about the people in power knowing how to get people to do whatever they want. And the people in power aren't just governments. It's corporations and the wealthy.

From: i luffs yeww
Master, "I believe America still attacks Middle east countries with the bible as there guide line, don't they," is totally incorrect.

As I've said, it's not because we're a primarily Christian country. Most politicians really aren't Christian. They see and know about much more than most "Christians," and a lot of them grow up and know that it doesn't matter what they are, just what they say they are and how well they can act. Politicians do things for votes, and they know how to get people riled up. It's just like saying we were against Russia because of our Bible. No. Most American's wouldn't have known anything about communism or how "bad" it is/was if it weren't for our propaganda and politicians saying otherwise.

It's not about the religion.. It's about the people in power knowing how to get people to do whatever they want. And the people in power aren't just governments. It's corporations and the wealthy.

The powerfulls does it for money, resources and power. But there speeches are Christian. And the soldiers do have to obey the Christian religion. Just like you have to swear on the bible in the court. Their roots are Christian, so are there morals and values. But as in all countries, they use there most common religion just as a propaganda trick.

Not different in middle eastern countries. Nor different in any other part of the world.

I just wanted to say that every religion has been used for wars. The Islam is no difference.

I really see this as a missed opportunity. Obama and all Western leaders should use this as a TEACHING moment. Everyone is so worried about being tolerant that they aren't bothering to teach tolerance.

Obama should be out there holding press conferences condemning these deaths and saying that the Muslim world will always be perceived as backwards, reactionary, and stuck in the middle ages until they evolve beyond responding to the burning of a Koran or a cartoon of Mohammed with blind rage and murderous violence.

We don't need to learn tolerance, we live it every day. I would guess that 99.99% of Americans think burning a Koran is insensitive and stupid. But 99.99% feel the same about burning an American flag or needlessly offending Christians for the sake of "art". These are regular occurrences in this country, but we don't respond with blind rage and murderous violence. Why should we be ashamed of this? Why pretend like there is nothing for Muslims to learn about tolerance and freedom of expression from American and other Western democracies? Obama should be proud of our standards and values and use this teaching moment.

From: tarajunky
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Except you forgot that most of America is stupid, and would think that Obama was saying the killings were good.

Also, I'd say that much less than 99% of people think that burning the Qur'an is stupid.

From: i luffs yeww
That's not what I said at all bro. It's just amazing to me that so many people think it's about religion and religious texts.. It's all about money. It's always money.

It's about oppression, which partly stems from their "holy book"…

From: tarajunky
I really see this as a missed opportunity. Obama and all Western leaders should use this as a TEACHING moment. Everyone is so worried about being tolerant that they aren't bothering to teach tolerance.

Obama should be out there holding press conferences condemning these deaths and saying that the Muslim world will always be perceived as backwards, reactionary, and stuck in the middle ages until they evolve beyond responding to the burning of a Koran or a cartoon of Mohammed with blind rage and murderous violence.

We don't need to learn tolerance, we live it every day. I would guess that 99.99% of Americans think burning a Koran is insensitive and stupid. But 99.99% feel the same about burning an American flag or needlessly offending Christians for the sake of "art". These are regular occurrences in this country, but we don't respond with blind rage and murderous violence. Why should we be ashamed of this? Why pretend like there is nothing for Muslims to learn about tolerance and freedom of expression from American and other Western democracies? Obama should be proud of our standards and values and use this teaching moment.

Right so every Muslim is the same and reacts the same way? We don't see the millions of peaceful Muslims…all we see on the news are the same people who hate the Westen World. And you can't blame them…

And don't treat America like utopia cause it's not. All it did was strip third world countries of their culture and natural resources…