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I read he's banned, but why?

Originally for trolling.

Then again on Timer on controversial claim.

And now for??? Being timer? Ban evading I guess

Well from what I've seen lately he wasn't trolling, and others have gotten away with making new accounts, so I don't have a clue why he could have been banned.

Well I havent SEEN any troll posts lately.. nor do I even have the right to comment on "Timer" since im fairly new to this forum but I will comment on the same guy who goes by "Train".. Iunno his posts were helpful and seemed ok to me.. but Like I said, I havent SEEN any trolling or anything weird lately.

Also im not sure if its a Reflection vs RRL thing but whatever it is, as long as it doesnt affect me or anyone else I guess it can be left at that since.. well I or anyone above dont see any evidence of unruly behavior. unless the person who banned him wants to elaborate on why then thats fine too..

Cant defend anyone without evidence that their innocent or guilty. And I dont believe in guilty until proven innocent.. cuz it can be the other way around aswell.

Timer/Train has been temporary banned before. The admins gave him another chance to prove him self, yet he failed to that again.

Good Riddance

From: Overtime
Timer/Train has been temporary banned before. The admins gave him another chance to prove him self, yet he failed to that again.

Good Riddance

In what ways do you think he failed? I'm just curious, and that is sort of what this whole thread is about. So since you know, you can help the others (including me) who are confused.

He acts like a brat and bashes everything everyone makes that isn't made by him… and he's a lot worse when you talk to him off the forums, not surprised he got banned.

From: Overtime
Timer/Train has been temporary banned before. The admins gave him another chance to prove him self, yet he failed to that again.

Good Riddance

Did they really give him another chance?
Wizzup said to me some weeks ago he was "waiting for the staff to do their job", suggesting that they should ban him..

I'd like to hear it from WT-Fawki, who is responsible for the banning.

From: grats
He acts like a brat and bashes everything everyone makes that isn't made by him… and he's a lot worse when you talk to him off the forums, not surprised he got banned.

I partially agree with this. I didn't really know him that much, but from almost all the posts I've seen him reply they seem to putting other's down in their work or progress. He does act pretty cocky and, from what I've seen, has little respect for the admins and mods.

I can understand why he wouldn't be liked, but a final decision on why he was banned would be nice to hear. :)

From: grats
He acts like a brat and bashes everything everyone makes that isn't made by him… and he's a lot worse when you talk to him off the forums, not surprised he got banned.

Mmmmm. I haven't seen too much of this, he really did tone it down. I never read any true bashing though. I'm pretty sure he is friends with freddy and so he has a bias with scar.

And I talk to him off the forums all the time. We text a lot and we have the occasional call. He is extremely nice to me, when I was a noob here learning to script, he helped me out a ton. We had a bunch of MSN/AIM sessions and eventually we became good enough friends to start texting.

Timer really does mean well with all of this. I know a lot of people don't like him because of his attitude and how he goes against the flow of SRL, but he is really here to help. I really don't believe he has deserved this current ban, atleast without a true reason from the staff.

~King of the Nites

From: Overtime
Timer/Train has been temporary banned before. The admins gave him another chance to prove him self, yet he failed to that again.

Good Riddance

Agreed, I never really liked him that much.

I really don't understand the point of banning him.

First of all, it isn't going to get rid of him or anything he's doing. He'll probably come back under another account, start posting on another forum, and/or communicate back here with what ever message he wants.

His message is quite simple really: He doesn't approve of what SRL management has done/is doing. Starting with simba, plans of python, poor reflection management. There's nothing you can do besides do better to stop that. What I believe they find unacceptable is his means of showing it.. i.e. acting pouty and disrespecting those who are in charge of the operatations he disagrees with in a uncivil way. Something that friends of his, and myself, have pointed out to him and warned him on occasion.

Though, going back to the whole banning him is pointless . Unless there's some other unknown reason that hasn't been made clear, I don't really understand what the staff hopes to accomplish here.

It certainty isn't justice. This forum is already home to many more serious offenders that have done a lot more than cross the bounds when involving politics and authority. Many of these people are posting all over the place in plain sight with full approval from the staff… some have been reinstated as members, and recently. People who have offenses like posting vial images on the forums, directly insulting people time after time with no motive or justification, hacking accounts, DDoSing SRL itself, the list of offensives goes on, and the list of offenders is numerous.

That being said, Timer is one of those few of those that actually directly opposes SRL as if it was a government/aristocracy. Banning him certainty proves a point, and that's SRL management really doesn't know what they are doing anymore. Reserving the right to ban whomever for whatever reason you want doesn't make you look strong or show good integrity, it's quite the opposite.

From: IceFire908
His message is quite simple really: He doesn't approve of what SRL management has done/is doing. Starting with simba, plans of python, poor reflection management.

Why is plans of python wrong?
reflection doesn't really have anything to do with SRL management…?

From: Zyt3x
Why is plans of python wrong?
reflection doesn't really have anything to do with SRL management…?

I'm not saying its right or wrong, and that has little relevance.

Reflection has a lot to do with SRL management.

From: IceFire908
I really don't understand the point of banning him.

First of all, it isn't going to get rid of him or anything he's doing. He'll probably come back under another account, start posting on another forum, and/or communicate back here with what ever message he wants.

His message is quite simple really: He doesn't approve of what SRL management has done/is doing. Starting with simba, plans of python, poor reflection management. There's nothing you can do besides do better to stop that. What I believe they find unacceptable is his means of showing it.. i.e. acting pouty and disrespecting those who are in charge of the operatations he disagrees with in a uncivil way. Something that friends of his, and myself, have pointed out to him and warned him on occasion.

Though, going back to the whole banning him is pointless . Unless there's some other unknown reason that hasn't been made clear, I don't really understand what the staff hopes to accomplish here.

It certainty isn't justice. This forum is already home to many more serious offenders that have done a lot more than cross the bounds when involving politics and authority. Many of these people are posting all over the place in plain sight with full approval from the staff… some have been reinstated as members, and recently. People who have offenses like posting vial images on the forums, directly insulting people time after time with no motive or justification, hacking accounts, DDoSing SRL itself, the list of offensives goes on, and the list of offenders is numerous.

That being said, Timer is one of those few of those that actually directly opposes SRL as if it was a government/aristocracy. Banning him certainty proves a point, and that's SRL management really doesn't know what they are doing anymore. Reserving the right to ban whomever for whatever reason you want doesn't make you look strong or show good integrity, it's quite the opposite.

The whole point of simba was to provide an open-source alternative to the failing SCAR. An entire community built around a program maintained by one man is destined to fall. And with the faltering stability and lackluster updates, srl had to find an alternative. I am SO glad that Wizzup/Ray/others had the initiative to step forward and take matters into their own hands. If not I fear we may have fallen off the deep end.

Simba has given us a clean slate. We finally have begun improve, unlike the development of scar from 2.03 -> 3.x. And for all you (Timer/Icefire) who stand around and watch while others do the dirty work and comment on how it isn't "good" enough, I feel truly bad for you. You fail to see the big picture.

Timer slipped through the cracks after being banned, because of reasons which are unknown to me. I cannot understand why Timer would return only to try and derail our community. Using RRL, he is recreating the SCAR vs Simba battle, but is only taking a step backwards. The beauty of our community(post-scar) is if you don't like something, you can FIX IT! SRL is not a government and he does not need to fight it! If he hates how we do things, he can go lurk freddy1990 forums! If he wants to build RRL, there is no reason why he can't make his own community, per se, it is SRL-independent.

His failure to contribute and lone-star attitude is not worth fighting for. Maybe someday if Timer develops a brain and a good heart then he will take the things he has done with RRL and apply them to SRL-reflection. Only then will I be able to respect him as a member and as a person.

From: lordsaturn
The whole point of simba was to provide an open-source alternative to the failing SCAR. An entire community built around a program maintained by one man is destined to fall. And with the faltering stability and lackluster updates, srl had to find an alternative. I am SO glad that Wizzup/Ray/others had the initiative to step forward and take matters into their own hands. If not I fear we may have fallen off the deep end.

Simba has given us a clean slate. We finally have begun improve, unlike the development of scar from 2.03 -> 3.x. And for all you (Timer/Icefire) who stand around and watch while others do the dirty work and comment on how it isn't "good" enough, I feel truly bad for you. You fail to see the big picture.

No where did I say that I disapprove or condone anything, I merely stated what Timer's message was. This conversation is not one I want to have here and now as I don't find it relevant to Timer being banned.

From: lordsaturn
Timer slipped through the cracks after being banned, because of reasons which are unknown to me. I cannot understand why Timer would return only to try and derail our community. Using RRL, he is recreating the SCAR vs Simba battle, but is only taking a step backwards. The beauty of our community(post-scar) is if you don't like something, you can FIX IT! SRL is not a government and he does not need to fight it! If he hates how we do things, he can go lurk freddy1990 forums! If he wants to build RRL, there is no reason why he can't make his own community, per se, it is SRL-independent.

His failure to contribute and lone-star attitude is not worth fighting for. Maybe someday if Timer develops a brain and a good heart then he will take the things he has done with RRL and apply them to SRL-reflection. Only then will I be able to respect him as a member and as a person.

I just explained why "he slipped through the cracks"

Nowhere did you address the actual matter I was, and this is Timer being banned, instead you talked about his disliking towards SRL.

I find all of this very irrelevant.

Why is he banned?

Excuse me sir 2 posts above me, there is no reason for him to fix other's mistakes? Maybe its better to start over like he said. But I just think u guys can actually merge the libraries.. RRL and SRL.. to form something better rather than argue about what needs fixing and which library is better or not.. And why exactly did they ban him.. was it a battle between libraries??

From what I understand, Train didn't want his RRL to be a community project. It looks like he was just following the path of Scar, closed-source and everything on his hands, on top of that he's trying to promote it over SRL's current reflection. Everything here is open for the community as a whole to work on and edit. I agree 100% with Lordsaturn, this is why Simba and SRL are so progressive on a day-to-day basis. It's not individually maintained, and that's the beauty of this place.

And like I said before, Train really wasn't for an open project, and he really laid put-downs on people trying to learn or contribute, so IMO his actions were putting a bad image for all of us, because this is a constructive place where we can all learn and help out, irregardless of how 'good' we can code. If he wants to keep his include closed then that's fine, he can start his own community with those guidelines; one person maintaining, discouraging others from progression, and criticizing anything else.

From: Flight
From what I understand, Train didn't want his RRL to be a community project. It looks like he was just following the path of Scar, closed-source and everything on his hands, on top of that he's trying to promote it over SRL's current reflection. Everything here is open for the community as a whole to work on and edit. I agree 100% with Lordsaturn, this is why Simba and SRL are so progressive on a day-to-day basis. It's not individually maintained, and that's the beauty of this place.

And like I said before, Train really wasn't for an open project, and he really laid put-downs on people trying to learn or contribute, so IMO his actions were putting a bad image for all of us, because this is a constructive place where we can all learn and help out, irregardless of how 'good' we can code. If he wants to keep his include closed then that's fine, he can start his own community with those guidelines; one person maintaining, discouraging others from progression, and criticizing anything else.

Sorry to antagonize, but why does any of this matter whether or not he is banned?

The stuff about RRL is irrelevant. By the way, ggzz, there couldn't be any merging based on Timer's license. And he didn't want that. He has told me a number of times he's not a fan of SRL and RRL wasn't for SRL.

Nobody has to say anything about why they banned him. They can ban whoever for whatever.

Regardless, it was most likely because he intentionally was rude and annoying to staff, and criticized the work of Simba and SRL and Wizzup? all the time and was just being a nuisance in general, sadly.

I'm just trying to give my thoughts on why he's banned now. Obviously I don't know the reason, so I'm just trying to give my thoughts on why that might be. As in my first post I'm also curious as to the cause of the final decision to ban him.

I don't mean to trail off-topic, but I was hoping to give a little enlightenment for a possible cause.

From: i luffs yeww
The stuff about RRL is irrelevant. By the way, ggzz, there couldn't be any merging based on Timer's license. And he didn't want that. He has told me a number of times he's not a fan of SRL and RRL wasn't for SRL.

Nobody has to say anything about why they banned him. They can ban whoever for whatever.

Regardless, it was most likely because he intentionally was rude and annoying to staff, and criticized the work of Simba and SRL and Wizzup? all the time and was just being a nuisance in general, sadly.

Recently, he has not been intentionally rude and annoying (within some limits) to any staff or anyone, much like the last time he was banned on Timer. Yet he was still banned?

Banning anyone for any reason isn't exactly good for public image. Is banning people who criticize you any way of dealing with the reason they are criticizing you?

Ban evasion is a tough one to justify when there are dozens of other more serious ban evaders running around, even in this very thread.

Any thoughts regarding that, Ian?

He was quite rude toward Wizzup?. To the point that I would get infracted/warned for posting it.

Of course I have thoughts about it, but this isn't the place for them. Rich asked about Timer. A few people have given some insight on to why they believer Timer was banned. I talked to him daily for awhile recently, and I don't know why he was banned, nor do I think he should have been (unless there's something I don't know about). I wish he was more socially mature, but he's only 13.

I think he has a lot of potential. He's fantastically smart and motivated for his age. I wish he could function better here.

… and nothing of value was lost

Edit: Also, IP bans do nothing, incase you haven't realised how the internet works so far. http://kalsey.com/2004/02/why_ip_banning_is_useless/

We talk on MSN frequently (we being Timer and I). I don't see why he was banned. Maybe we just get along? idk. He can be pushy but he's never been seriously rude to me, and I've never seen any major incidents on the forum.

Hey IceFire, I don't think your references to pwntbypwnt are obvious enough.

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63327

dunno why though, evading a ban only results of an infraction now a days……

From what i think. He was Chatting with Fawki in MSN.. Dunno if they argued about something :S

~Home

Fawki asked Timer why he returned, Timer responded to maintain SCAR support in SRL, Fawki said that SCAR has only gone downhill, Timer responded with "Don't make me laugh." and Fawki banned him

E: This was the the little chat Fawki and Timer had before he got banned

Im in class so I didn't bother reading ALL comments, but here's my opinion:

I think Timer was annoying, childish and he thought he was the king of the world. I didn't like him at all. However.. I don't see why he is being banned again. Everyone knew he was back and what he had done in the past. It seemed like we accepted that? Lately I haven't seen any reason to ban him. And therefore I'd like to hear a reasonable explaination of why he is banned again. If this is already stated I'm sorry, I didn't read all the replies :p (Because he was banned before is not a good reason)

From: Brain
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63327

dunno why though, evading a ban only results of an infraction now a days……

No, not even an infraction :p.

From: Zyt3x
Fawki asked Timer why he returned, Timer responded to maintain SCAR support in SRL, Fawki said that SCAR has only gone downhill, Timer responded with "Don't make me laugh." and Fawki banned him

Wow. That doesn't seem like grounds for banning him to me..but it's whatever. I'm not staff.

From: Emaziz
Im in class so I didn't bother reading ALL comments, but here's my opinion:
I think Timer was annoying, childish and he thought he was the king of the world. I didn't like him at all. However.. I don't see why he is being banned again. Everyone knew he was back and what he had done in the past. It seemed like we accepted that? Lately I haven't seen any reason to ban him. And therefore I'd like to hear a reasonable explaination of why he is banned again. If this is already stated I'm sorry, I didn't read all the replies :p (Because he was banned before is not a good reason)

I think that would be a good reason as it is ban evading. I don't have much room to talk though ;).

From: Sex
That doesn't seem like grounds for banning him to me..but it's whatever. I'm not staff.

That's only the conversation Timer had with Fawki, I'm not sure what the reason was… :)

From: Sex

I think that would be a good reason as it is ban evading. I don't have much room to talk though ;).

Yes, except he has been here for a while and I think it's wrong to let him stay in the community for that long and then banning him, when everyone including admins knew he was who he was. Why didn't they ban him the moment they got to know it?

From: Zyt3x
Fawki asked Timer why he returned, Timer responded to maintain SCAR support in SRL, Fawki said that SCAR has only gone downhill, Timer responded with "Don't make me laugh." and Fawki banned him

E: This was the the little chat Fawki and Timer had before he got banned

Wow, almost makes me want to quit using SIMBA in spite…
=/

But is it still save on the forums to say I prefer scar above simba? And I had plans to make some RRL - scar scripts with no simba testing?

And from what I've read, and this isn't the whole story, I'm sure, Train wasn't offensive against either wizzup nor simba. He mostly just stated that scar was still alive and working.

And as far as I know he never stated he wouldn't accept contributions to RRL. The include was working for me, and so it was to others. Why would it be a bad thing if Train was developing its own alternative?

From: masterBB
But is it still save on the forums to say I prefer scar above simba? And I had plans to make some RRL - scar scripts with no simba testing?

And from what I've read, and this isn't the whole story, I'm sure, Train wasn't offensive against either wizzup nor simba. He mostly just stated that scar was still alive and working.

And as far as I know he never stated he wouldn't accept contributions to RRL. The include was working for me, and so it was to others. Why would it be a bad thing if Train was developing its own alternative?

Of course it's safe. Just don't be a dick about it =P

My 4.5 cents
@masterbb, no, he wasn't accepting contributions, it's the kind of person he is. He will only take advice/help/whatever from people who he believes can help HIM achieve what HE wants.

Now, I have NO clue why he was banned apart from the obvious ban evasion, but there are obvious reasons… He is socially immature, he can't work as a team, he continues to bash people and on top of all of that he can't take advice. I think we all know he is a capable young man but needs to grow up and I have told him this many times.

-Boom

Here is your answer…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7TYr4PFQGk&feature=player_embedded

Guess which one is Timer?

From: Timer&Fawki Convo
3/22/2011 3:17:56 PM Joe Haddad Hello.
3/22/2011 3:22:56 PM The Fawk A timer.
3/22/2011 3:23:00 PM The Fawk Why did you return?
3/22/2011 3:25:31 PM Joe Haddad No reason in particular.
3/22/2011 3:30:54 PM Joe Haddad Does your son want me gone?
3/22/2011 3:53:13 PM The Fawk ?
3/22/2011 4:13:43 PM Joe Haddad Why did you ask if I'm Timer?
3/22/2011 4:13:48 PM Joe Haddad And ask why I returned?
3/22/2011 4:15:44 PM The Fawk You are being very rethorical.
3/22/2011 4:15:56 PM The Fawk I ask you first and you say: "No reason in particular."
3/22/2011 4:16:30 PM The Fawk I usually ban people that return under different names
3/22/2011 4:16:46 PM The Fawk That a kind of behavior I dont tolerate
3/22/2011 4:16:54 PM The Fawk Some got away with it
3/22/2011 4:17:02 PM The Fawk Soem haven't.
3/22/2011 4:17:34 PM The Fawk My general impression of you is not so very positive
3/22/2011 4:17:51 PM Joe Haddad Hm.
3/22/2011 4:18:02 PM The Fawk I dont understand why you should return when it has been made lcear that you are not welcome
3/22/2011 4:18:34 PM Joe Haddad I returned to help keep SRL SCAR compatible.
3/22/2011 4:18:54 PM Joe Haddad As you see, you have few to no developers that maintain SRL.
3/22/2011 4:19:10 PM Joe Haddad The last.. 200 commits?
3/22/2011 4:19:13 PM Joe Haddad have been from IceFire.
3/22/2011 4:19:23 PM Joe Haddad I'm simply there to help keep SRL SCAR compatible and usable.
3/22/2011 4:22:28 PM Joe Haddad Plus, everyone's too wrapped up in the "Simba hype" to keep SRL going.
3/22/2011 4:23:28 PM The Fawk SCAR development has stopped for years. SCAR is no longer a stable program. SCAR was developed by Kaitnieks, 7 years ago. It is old. Freddy1990 has put a lot of work into (t)his project. I have begged him to share his project with the community, but he refused time and again. I have been in close contact with Freddy throughout the years. His work has not shown any progress, except from bitterness.
3/22/2011 4:23:37 PM Joe Haddad SCAR development has never stopped.
3/22/2011 4:24:49 PM Joe Haddad You say SCAR is not stable.
3/22/2011 4:24:49 PM The Fawk SCAR is history my friend. You know it, everybody knows it. Stop the nonsense. It is too late. This movement cannot be stopped. It has too many positive elements.
3/22/2011 4:25:02 PM Joe Haddad But as a matter of fact, SCAR is more atble than Simba in it's current state.
3/22/2011 4:25:07 PM Joe Haddad SRL works better in SCAR.
3/22/2011 4:25:20 PM Joe Haddad I'm not trying to stop Simba.
3/22/2011 4:25:25 PM The Fawk STOP this discussion SCAR has not been stable eversince kaitnieks stopped the project.
3/22/2011 4:25:52 PM Joe Haddad Don't make me laugh.
3/22/2011 4:28:07 PM Joe Haddad You need to get your stuff straight.
3/22/2011 4:28:15 PM The Fawk Anyway, I have said enough to you. I hope you will try to find your ways somewhere else. I will now ban you.
3/22/2011 4:28:24 PM Joe Haddad Feel free. : )

The full convo

SRL has and always will be SCAR compatible, won't it? Not very good reasons…

From: Echo_
SRL has and always will be SCAR compatible, won't it? Not very good reasons…

SRL-5 and onwards will not support SCAR

From: Zyt3x
SRL-5 and onwards will not support SCAR

Interesting. But Fakawi is right, Simba is the future, SCAR is the past.

From: Zyt3x
SRL-5 and onwards will not support SCAR

Yes, SRL 5 will cut all ties with SCAR and only focus on Simba. Although I think that Wizzup or someone said that people who still want to use SCAR are more than welcome to adapt it to their needs.

His attitude is reason enough.

Him talking about lack of SRL development alone makes me mad, and I'm not even a Dev, but I've done plenty enough to know IceFire hasn't made the last 200 commits.

This isn't middle school, we really don't need people here making it seem like it is. However, I'm sure he'll be back, if he's not already..

From: Echo_
Interesting. But Fakawi is right, Simba is the future, SCAR is the past.

but timer was right when he said in it's current state simba is not as stable as scar.

I don't think this whole thing with timer is "just".
he's done nothing wrong except disagree with the wrong person. I've known him for a while. (haven't talked to him in over 6months tho… :p) but especially when i first started here at SRL he was a big help, his knowledge of SRL, RRL, scripting, scar, runescape is tremendous. I don't think it wise to cut ties…

From: King of the Nites
Mmmmm. I haven't seen too much of this, he really did tone it down. I never read any true bashing though. I'm pretty sure he is friends with freddy and so he has a bias with scar.

And I talk to him off the forums all the time. We text a lot and we have the occasional call. He is extremely nice to me, when I was a noob here learning to script, he helped me out a ton. We had a bunch of MSN/AIM sessions and eventually we became good enough friends to start texting.

Timer really does mean well with all of this. I know a lot of people don't like him because of his attitude and how he goes against the flow of SRL, but he is really here to help. I really don't believe he has deserved this current ban, atleast without a true reason from the staff.

~King of the Nites

I agree, people may think he's a cocky little brat, but when I first came here, he was the first person to really help me. Me and Timer haven't talked in probably over a year, but yet I still remember him for being nice to me and helping me learn how to script over instant messaging. First impressions can really last a while.

I'm kinda curious to know as to why exactly he got banned also. I'm not gonna say he shouldn't have been banned and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Whether or not he should have been banned is up to SRL Staff. I just want to know the story and want people to know he's not this monster that's completely bad, he has a nice side and I liked him when I first came here.

From: Baked0420
I agree, people may think he's a cocky little brat, but when I first came here, he was the first person to really help me. Me and Timer haven't talked in probably over a year, but yet I still remember him for being nice to me and helping me learn how to script over instant messaging. First impressions can really last a while.

I'm kinda curious to know as to why exactly he got banned also. I'm not gonna say he shouldn't have been banned and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Whether or not he should have been banned is up to SRL Staff. I just want to know the story and want people to know he's not this monster that's completely bad, he has a nice side and I liked him when I first came here.

I totally agree, if it wasn't for timer i wouldn't be scripting.
He is the reason i didn't quit on my first script. He used to help me for hours over msn.

I thought this was a private converstion, but turns out it wasn't. Tssss. Not amused…at all.

Yes, Timer/Train/Mr.SRL was banned and for good reasons. I didn't know that Train was in fact Timer, or Mr. SRL and I dont know how many other accounts this guy has made. I asked him about it, he admitted (Why? "No reason in particular" … great response, tss) and I banned him. Simple.

Returning after a ban is as you all know, strictly forbidden. If you dont like our community then find yourself another community. If you can't abide the basic simple ruleset, you have no place here. I know that in the past a good number of users have also returned after a ban, and some even managed to wipe of their past, but most don't learn from their mistakes at all.

Now you tell me: what good is a user that can't interact normal? What is the use of a illbreathed, antisocial, I-dont-give-a-F***-because-I-can-say-anything-I-want kind of community member? That is all too easy, these are the signs of deeply spoiled and double personality. Last thing I need here are solipsists. Work with us, not against us. Criticism is very welcome here, but not all the time.

Now I also need to explain the conversation so nicely posted by Zyt3x (Thank you Timer). As I already outlined a long time ago, SCAR is a stone-old program written by Kaitnieks. Freddy1990 has put a tremendeous amout of work into this project, for which he has my deepest respect, but the outcome however is arguably not a stable piece of software.

As you all know, I love programming for rs, but software that looses focus, crashes, (is version a, b, or c stable?) makes me hopeless. Also the fact that Freddy has never ever accepted any help (apart from money), while there are so many talented users here that have a huge bulk of knowledge, made me very sad. I have had many convo's with Freddy, also about the opcoming development of Simba, and I can tell you Freddy and I are cool.

But the decline of SCAR is in fact the main reason I stopped autoing for a more than a year. Also SCAR is closed source. No-one knows how it works, no-one has any insight as to how this program functions. And nobody ever will.

Now suddenly out of nothing pops up a clean open environment: Simba. It offers all that SCAR does and more. A 100% open source community project. Wow! Everything you want to know about Simba is there out in the open for you to grab, investigate and learn from. What more could you possibly hope for? It's brilliant! Finally we can now move on.

All this said: of course you are free to use SCAR to your hearts content! Who am I do forbid you anything like that? but, dont come whining to us if all of a sudden SRL isn't compatible with SCAR anymore. This will happen in the future

I banned Timer to send out a signal to SRL: Stop the childish bickering, the annoying-just-because-you-can. Show a little emphathy. We all work our heads of for this community. Many good things have sprung from this community, and hopefully it will be this way for the years to come!

Life is bitter enough as it is. No use making it worse here.

From: footballjds
but timer was right when he said in it's current state simba is not as stable as scar.

I disagree… Simba is MUCH more stable than SCAR. It is SRL which is not stable with Simba.

From: footballjds
I totally agree, if it wasn't for timer i wouldn't be scripting.
He is the reason i didn't quit on my first script. He used to help me for hours over msn.

I agree… He helped me, still does, as I said before, he IS clever, just needs to mature.

Me and Timer talk often on MSN. I do not agree with how he speaks whats exactly whats on his mind, but so does some other members of this community. Hes a uncensored look to the other side, a side that many agree is the "weird" side.

From: WT-Fakawi
Yes, Timer/Train/Mr.SRL was banned and for good reasons. I didn't know that Train was in fact Timer, or Mr. SRL and I dont know how many other accounts this guy has made. I asked him about it, he admitted (Why? "No reason in particular" … great response, tss) and I banned him. Simple.

Returning after a ban is as you all know, strictly forbidden. If you dont like our community then find yourself another community. If you can't abide the basic simple ruleset, you have no place here. I know that in the past a good number of users have also returned after a ban, and some even managed to wipe of their past, but most don't learn from their mistakes at all.

If returning after a ban is as we all know, strictly forbidden, why are people still here who were banned for much serious offences, even if they have managed to wipe of their past? Timer trolled, and gets re-banned. MoB stole accounts, and is allowed back, and then into Members. Also, everyone else seemed to know that Timer returned as Train, so was the decision to ban him one made by the entire staff, or yourself?

From: WT-Fakawi

Returning after a ban is as you all know, strictly forbidden. If you dont like our community then find yourself another community. If you can't abide the basic simple ruleset, you have no place here. I know that in the past a good number of users have also returned after a ban, and some even managed to wipe of their past, but most don't learn from their mistakes at all.

From: WT-Fakawi

You will be permanently banned for the following offences:

• Script Posting on other forums. Do not post other peoples SRL Scripts on any forum unless given permission from the Original Author.
• Offensive Material: Posting or linking to pornography or any other unethical material.
• Spam Advertisements. Autospammer are banned on the spot. We have a very adequate report mechanism.
• Warez: Posting or linking to Warez / Cracks / Serials or any other illegal copyrighted material.
• Keylogging / Password Cracking: Any topic related to keylogging / password cracking, helping others creating / using / discussing / distributing password cracks or keyloggers is strictly prohibited.
• Posting infected files: viruses, trojans and generally any other malicious pieces of software / hyperlinks are not allowed.
• Impersonating: Pretending to be a Developer/Moderator/Admin.

Specific Offences resulting in infraction

• Returning after a ban: You may not return after a perm ban. Proxying into SRL is strictly forbidden.
• Multiple Accounts: any user is allowed to have 1 account and 1 account only.
• Leaking: Members and Developers will be instantly de-ranked when proof of leakage.
• Mental insanity. It is not allowed to post in any section outside the off-topic category when intoxicated or under severe influence of drugs. This applies to staff too, as well as staff using their privileges.
• Inappropriate language. At SRL we are a well-behaving community. For that reason, we use civilized language.

Three infractions will result in a suspension.
Six infractions will result in a permanent ban.

Fawk, I agree with what you have said, but the official rules do not. The rules do say that returning is strictly forbidden, but the offense does not result in a re-ban, simply an infraction.
(note: these are not all the rules, just a quote specify some that apply to the situation, and other rules to make it look good)

I just read a thread wizzy started about cleaning up Reflection. looks like a lot of hate from wiz n fawk towards RRL and reflection in general.
that kind of disdain from staff is repulsive to say the least.

oh "Proxying into SRL is strictly forbidden." is this only if you have been banned?

because i log in from work to check posts which would happen from behind a proxy

From: footballjds
I just read a thread wizzy started about cleaning up Reflection. looks like a lot of hate from wiz n fawk towards RRL and reflection in general.
that kind of disdain from staff is repulsive to say the least.

LOL, how many SRL members are being singled out and persecuted by the SRL staff? Zero?

Timer is the one singling himself out, and the one instigating the drama. The fact that he was already perma-banned before is just the icing on the cake.

If he thinks he can come back anytime he wants after a perma-ban, he is mistaken. If he thinks he can do so and then insult the SRL community and all the contributions being made by people at all levels of it, he's insane. Good luck to Timer with his project, but he clearly doesn't respect this community and has no right to be here so why rage over it?

From: tarajunky
LOL, how many SRL members are being singled out and persecuted by the SRL staff? Zero?

Timer is the one singling himself out, and the one instigating the drama. The fact that he was already perma-banned before is just the icing on the cake.

If he thinks he can come back anytime he wants after a perma-ban, he is mistaken. If he thinks he can do so and then insult the SRL community and all the contributions being made by people at all levels of it, he's insane. Good luck to Timer with his project, but he clearly doesn't respect this community and has no right to be here so why rage over it?

not raging…

From: footballjds
I just read a thread wizzy started about cleaning up Reflection. looks like a lot of hate from wiz n fawk towards RRL and reflection in general.
that kind of disdain from staff is repulsive to say the least.

How is that hate towards reflection in general? Have you looked at the include, it does need to be cleaned up.

why is everyone taking this personally… Yeah u may have worked on reflection or srl or whatever it is you did to help out… but that shouldnt matter if he criticizes it.. Does his criticism make it any worse? Does it change the fact it still needs fixing and updating? Does it stop u from working on it? Is he really getting to you that bad or insulting YOU PERSONALLY?

I doubt any of the above is applicable..
Banning timer/train or whatever u call him should NOT be something PERSONAL.. I believe he is entitled to an opinion and if that is granted then he does have the ability to criticize the work done.. That being said.. it should NOT affect you in any way. If it affects u, your taking this stuff too personal.

You can easily ignore it or use it as motivation to fix the problems he is addressing. Yes I know some of you are gunna complain that he is insulting and putting down all your work done.. Who cares? He can be a put down or a reason to get UP…
You guys are complaining about having enough of his bad criticism.. thing is that it doesnt make u a man to ban someone for criticizing now does it? It makes you a man to look past it and think about what he said and try to do something about it.

Dunno why everyone is so upset by this… I didn't know Timer but I wanted to see why he was banned so I read this.. Still don't know why he was banned in the first place but I'm high so I prolly jus missed it lol.. anywayz, what I got out of this was Timer was useless to this community, a nuisance, very negative, and very immature (which is understandable considering he's only 13 from what i read?) Maybe when he grows up and can act like an adult he'll be allowed back into this community… Not saying he needs to be a certain age, but definitely a certain maturity level… Maybe he'll be smart and take this as a lesson and not an idiot and resent SRL because he doesn't know how to live life yet… Also to everyone trying to argue and demand 'justice', if your title isn't "SRL Leader", with what authority do you have to say what 'justice' even is? It happened, it's over, life goes on.

Now that my rant is over, if I'm not mistaken, this thread is about why Timer was banned because we're curious not because we want to un-ban him or debate his "banned" status…

From: IceFire908
<blablabla, FUD, blablabla>
That being said, Timer is one of those few of those that actually directly opposes SRL as if it was a government/aristocracy. Banning him certainty proves a point, and that's SRL management really doesn't know what they are doing anymore. Reserving the right to ban whomever for whatever reason you want doesn't make you look strong or show good integrity, it's quite the opposite.

Timer is an idiot. He should've been banned the moment he returned. Him requesting a name to get his old name chance was the drip. Nielsie reported the post, said we should either change his name (read: unban him) or ban him again. We all (except RM) agreed that a name change was not an option. Ban it was.

Can you for once stop the idiotic posts? You always act like you know exactly what's going on and always criticize every single action. You say you act based on logic, but I fail to see that in your recent posts.

From: IceFire908
Recently, he has not been intentionally rude and annoying (within some limits) to any staff or anyone, much like the last time he was banned on Timer. Yet he was still banned?

Banning anyone for any reason isn't exactly good for public image. Is banning people who criticize you any way of dealing with the reason they are criticizing you?

Ban evasion is a tough one to justify when there are dozens of other more serious ban evaders running around, even in this very thread.

Any thoughts regarding that, Ian?

Recently being the keyword here. I find his idiotic actions quite recent. His previous account was banned recently. He returned WAY too recently.

From: Nose Smasher
Dunno why everyone is so upset by this… I didn't know Timer but I wanted to see why he was banned so I read this.. Still don't know why he was banned in the first place but I'm high so I prolly jus missed it lol.. anywayz, what I got out of this was Timer was useless to this community, a nuisance, very negative, and very immature (which is understandable considering he's only 13 from what i read?) Maybe when he grows up and can act like an adult he'll be allowed back into this community… Not saying he needs to be a certain age, but definitely a certain maturity level… Maybe he'll be smart and take this as a lesson and not an idiot and resent SRL because he doesn't know how to live life yet… Also to everyone trying to argue and demand 'justice', if your title isn't "SRL Leader", with what authority do you have to say what 'justice' even is? It happened, it's over, life goes on.

Now that my rant is over, if I'm not mistaken, this thread is about why Timer was banned because we're curious not because we want to un-ban him or debate his "banned" status…

@Zytex/Nose Smasher; People don't really care, but Icefire is just posting FUD. He doesn't agree with something and likes making up arguments just for the sake of making something look bad. That's why it looks like people ``care''.

His case is completely different from other users in the sense that he returned right away and caused a lot of drama, again. He drew a lot of unnecessary attention to himself and then said ``I'll just go elsewhere.'' He shouldn't have been here in the first place. This ban is simply an reinforcement of the rules.

From: tarajunky
LOL, how many SRL members are being singled out and persecuted by the SRL staff? Zero?

Timer is the one singling himself out, and the one instigating the drama. The fact that he was already perma-banned before is just the icing on the cake.

If he thinks he can come back anytime he wants after a perma-ban, he is mistaken. If he thinks he can do so and then insult the SRL community and all the contributions being made by people at all levels of it, he's insane. Good luck to Timer with his project, but he clearly doesn't respect this community and has no right to be here so why rage over it?

Thank you for summing this thread up nicely.

Closed.

Not closed…

inb4close:

Judging by what you said in the above post Wizzup?, Timer was banned because he requested a name change?

Closed now.

R1ch: I think my post was completely clear. Don't take things out of context.