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Yep been using beta for the past couple of months and here it is!

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/RC/

:D

comments, like, hate, rant different browsers idc about them.

:D yay! upgrading right now

Thanks for the heads-up.
Rep+.

Guys, OPERAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, Opera is way better! :)

From: Frement
Guys, OPERAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, Opera is way better! :)

Are my eyes working properly? Did you say Opera is good?

:duh:
I can't remember ever hearing anything good about Opera.

I prefer Chrome, but I've been told FF4 is great so I'm upgrading my FF to FF4 ;)

I've been using this for 3 weeks now, works great and I really like what they did with the look and feel :D

Most addons work already too

From: Frement
Guys, OPERAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, Opera is way better! :)

/slap

From: Frement
Guys, OPERAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, Opera is way better! :)

Wow, Opera? O_O

I like Chrome because it's so light, but whenever I need to do something awesome something that you need addons for, FF is the browser!

Well, I don't like chrome because it's too simplistic. Firefox 4 is a lot faster than the previous releases, and all the other browsers suck. (IE, Safari, etc)

Where are the Opera users that should support me!? Also, I have FF too because of some add-ons that I need on some games. But yeah, Opera is the best browser because I'm using it! :)

From: Wizzup?
and all the other browsers suck. (IE, Safari, etc)

Biggest pile of bullshit ever. Just because you think FF is better doesn't mean every other sucks. So sick of people hugging their favourite browser/phone/computer and telling everything else sucks. :duh:

From: Emaziz
Biggest pile of bullshit ever. Just because you think FF is better doesn't mean every other sucks. So sick of people hugging their favourite browser/phone/computer and telling everything else sucks. :duh:

Also, python sucks too, PHP is the best, because I think so.

A bit offtopic, but had to say it. ;)

Not to derail the thread too much, but why do so many Scandinavians like Opera (like 80% of market share there or something crazy high), but the rest of the world isn't even close (like 1% at most in most countries)? Seems weird.

From: Harry
Not to derail the thread too much, but why do so many Scandinavians like Opera (like 80% of market share there or something crazy high), but the rest of the world isn't even close (like 1% at most in most countries)? Seems weird.

Uuuh, because Opera is made by Norwegians?
Also, Opera = meh. EVEN THOUGH I LIVE IN NORWAY, OMAGAWD HOW CAN I SAY THAT?

Slightly disappointed over the fact that the RC contains no new features, but I know it's borderline of me to expect that. Also, pretty weird that the FF beta didn't notify me that the RC was released?

From: Emaziz
Biggest pile of bullshit ever. Just because you think FF is better doesn't mean every other sucks. So sick of people hugging their favourite browser/phone/computer and telling everything else sucks. :duh:

Hey, it's not a pile. All (except for chrome, opera, firefox) the other browsers do stink. If you don't agree then I'm all ears.

I've just been running Minefield, the nightly since it was 3.7pre. It most definitely has come a long way and it makes me feel not guilty about purposefully using FF over Chrome like 3.6 was starting to make me do. Now I'm safe to say that this is better and whatnot.

From: Wizzup?
Hey, it's not a pile. All (except for chrome, opera, firefox) the other browsers do stink. If you don't agree then I'm all ears.

I'd rather hear some reasons why they stink than just pure bitching. Chromes simplicity is what I love about it. The average computer user don't need anything more than what Chrome shows. Back button, forward button, refresh, home, URL-bar with quick bookmarking and a button for settings. What more do you need? For light-weight computers Chrome is god.

While everyone are entitled to their own opinions, I find it childish to say "everything but my favourite sucks" without stating reasons.

But hey, that's just my opinion!

EDIT: Hmm, I didn't quite see that (except for chrome, opera, firefox) part. But my opinion is still stays the same. :)

From: Emaziz
Back button, forward button, refresh, home, URL-bar with quick bookmarking and a button for settings. What more do you need? For light-weight computers Chrome is god.

I beg to differ, its the heavy on memory recources, but there is a reason for that.

I'll leave that up to you to figure out.

Press CTRL+ALT+Delete and add up the multiple chrome applications on 1 tab. Then open another 20 more.

From: Emaziz
I'd rather hear some reasons why they stink than just pure bitching. Chromes simplicity is what I love about it. The average computer user don't need anything more than what Chrome shows. Back button, forward button, refresh, home, URL-bar with quick bookmarking and a button for settings. What more do you need? For light-weight computers Chrome is god.

While everyone are entitled to their own opinions, I find it childish to say "everything but my favourite sucks" without stating reasons.

But hey, that's just my opinion!

EDIT: Hmm, I didn't quite see that (except for chrome, opera, firefox) part. But my opinion is still stays the same. :)

Your the type of guy that would get a virus and say oh.. I just need a simple antivirus to fix it (norton, avg or mcafee).. That sir is a load of Male cow shit.. The average user uses more features than u think.. thats the reason a person gets a smart phone over a samsung flip phone..

Chrome has the worst security ever, lacks plugins, and some great features are missing.. There isnt even a need to say why Internet explorer sucks.. As for safari I know it sucks cuz I use a hackintosh all the time and safari has no security (for windows).. If you download custom iphone software (on the mac part), it WILL remove parts of it essentially fucking up your brand new iphone. (PS I worked at the apple store before)

Want me to explain why netscape sucks too? doubt i needa explain that..

As for ranks… I'd rank it:

1. Firefox
2. Opera.

There is no other.. If you want details on security you can search that.. or make me explain in a long post again.

Maybe these link will help some people out.

http://internet-browser-review.toptenreviews.com/

and

http://www.coolpctips.com/2011/02/top-5-best-browsers-which-never-crash/

I tried it out but I think Chrome is still faster. Also, Firefox is looking more and more like Chrome these days.

From: ggzz
Your the type of guy that would get a virus and say oh.. I just need a simple antivirus to fix it (norton, avg or mcafee).. That sir is a load of Male cow shit.. The average user uses more features than u think.. thats the reason a person gets a smart phone over a samsung flip phone..

Chrome has the worst security ever, lacks plugins, and some great features are missing.. There isnt even a need to say why Internet explorer sucks.. As for safari I know it sucks cuz I use a hackintosh all the time and safari has no security (for windows).. If you download custom iphone software (on the mac part), it WILL remove parts of it essentially fucking up your brand new iphone. (PS I worked at the apple store before)

Want me to explain why netscape sucks too? doubt i needa explain that..

As for ranks… I'd rank it:

1. Firefox
2. Opera.

There is no other.. If you want details on security you can search that.. or make me explain in a long post again.

How does Chrome have bad security?

Guys why bother arguing?.

From: LifeHacker
At the end of the day, both Chrome and Firefox are excellent web browsers for Windows, and you can't go wrong with either. From our perspective, more and more power users seem to be swapping happily to Chrome from Firefox (several Lifehacker editors have made this switch and haven't looked back), and their switch has been spurred mostly by the bloat issues mentioned above. If you've been frustrated with Firefox, we'd recommend kicking the tires and Chrome to see how you like it; you can always switch back if you decide your heart lies with Firefox.

If, on the other hand, you're perfectly happy with Firefox, we don't see any reason to upset a good thing. (If it ain't broke and all that.)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!.
If your happy with whatever browser your using then its the best for you!.

From: rogeruk
Guys why bother arguing?.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!.
If your happy with whatever browser your using then its the best for you!.

What I'm arguing about is people saying "It sucks!" without actually being able to give a reason except "I don't like it". But yes, I totally agree with you! :D

From: rogeruk
Guys why bother arguing?.



If it ain't broke, don't fix it!.
If your happy with whatever browser your using then its the best for you!.

People are happy with IE 6(7,8,9) & Safari simply because they don't know better. They don't know about security, they don't know of the burden they put on web developers. ``Power users'' going to chrome seems like a silly statement, since Chrome removes most of the tweaking and customising firefox offers. Power users that don't customise or tweak are not power users.

From: Wizzup?
People are happy with IE 6(7,8,9) & Safari simply because they don't know better. They don't know about security, they don't know of the burden they put on web developers. ``Power users'' going to chrome seems like a silly statement, since Chrome removes most of the tweaking and customising firefox offers. Power users that don't customise or tweak are not power users.

Because they don't know better, or because they don't need better? The average user (the average ordinary human being, not the average computergeek) has no need for the possibilities that browsers like Firefox offers.

From: Emaziz
Because they don't know better, or because they don't need better? The average user (the average ordinary human being, not the average computergeek) has no need for the possibilities that browsers like Firefox offers.

Well, if you don't need privacy/security then please send me all your passwords, emails and pin codes.

From: Wizzup?
Well, if you don't need privacy/security then please send me all your passwords, emails and pin codes.

You're welcome to get them yourself?

From: Emaziz
Because they don't know better, or because they don't need better? The average user (the average ordinary human being, not the average computergeek) has no need for the possibilities that browsers like Firefox offers.

Hence why this is posted on a nerd forum?

Most of the SRL users know alot of coding and therefore use firefox for that reason.

Chrome is part with Avast Antivirus, so now its becoming more of an advertisement for other companies can use. Firefox and Opera are not for the "average user" but can be used as a regular browser for better plugins,and email support, that google chrome doesn't have.

(i know google chrome has plugins, there just all knock offs from firefox)

So before you begin to rant on being such a fanboy for google chrome, take the time to research your browser. You still have to see how much memory it uses for EACH tab you open.

But you wouldn't know anything abou that since you are an "average user"

From: Overtime
Hence why this is posted on a nerd forum?

Most of the SRL users know alot of coding and therefore use firefox for that reason.

Chrome is part with Avast Antivirus, so now its becoming more of an advertisement for other companies can use. Firefox and Opera are not for the "average user" but can be used as a regular browser for better plugins,and email support, that google chrome doesn't have.

(i know google chrome has plugins, there just all knock offs from firefox)

So before you begin to rant on being such a fanboy for google chrome, take the time to research your browser. You still have to see how much memory it uses for EACH tab you open.

But you wouldn't know anything abou that since you are an "average user"

Firefox don't suck. Chrome don't suck. Internet Explorer don't suck. Safari don't suck. Opera don't suck. All of them has flaws, but every single one of them are still very useful to its users, and therefore they do NOT suck. Which is my whole point.

Many mac users say PC sucks, many PC users say mac sucks.
Many iPhone users say android sucks, many android users say iPhone sucks.

Why would they be so popular if they sucked?

From: Emaziz
<snip>Why would they be so popular if they sucked?

Because most people are stupid.

And man, IE does suck…

From: Emaziz

Why would they be so popular if they sucked?

Many people argue for the sake of arguing. Internet Explorer is crap. Start the other major browsers (chrome, firefox, etc.), then start IE. HUGE difference.

I know my PC bogs down like mad whenever I start IE.

People are still using IE 6 which doesn't have tabs…IE 7 and 8 are terribly slow, and IE9 is only available on win vista/7 (for no reason), and they are all only on windows. Thus IE sucks. Safari sucks because of lack of cusomization of anything, slowness, and it only runs fairly well on macs afaik. Chrome is similarly lacking in customization, it tracks you, among other annoyances, but it is alright. Opera is alright as well, just not my style. But the vast majority of browsers do suck or are derivatives of the ones that don't suck. I see nothing wrong with Wizzup's statement.

From: doom0791
Many people argue for the sake of arguing. Internet Explorer is crap. Start the other major browsers (chrome, firefox, etc.), then start IE. HUGE difference.

I know my PC bogs down like mad whenever I start IE.

From: Dan Cardin
People are still using IE 6 which doesn't have tabs…IE 7 and 8 are terribly slow, and IE9 is only available on win vista/7 (for no reason), and they are all only on windows. Thus IE sucks. Safari sucks because of lack of cusomization of anything, slowness, and it only runs fairly well on macs afaik. Chrome is similarly lacking in customization, it tracks you, among other annoyances, but it is alright. Opera is alright as well, just not my style. But the vast majority of browsers do suck or are derivatives of the ones that don't suck. I see nothing wrong with Wizzup's statement.

From: Wizzup?
Because most people are stupid.

And man, IE does suck…

From: Overtime
Hence why this is posted on a nerd forum?

Most of the SRL users know alot of coding and therefore use firefox for that reason.

Chrome is part with Avast Antivirus, so now its becoming more of an advertisement for other companies can use. Firefox and Opera are not for the "average user" but can be used as a regular browser for better plugins,and email support, that google chrome doesn't have.

(i know google chrome has plugins, there just all knock offs from firefox)

So before you begin to rant on being such a fanboy for google chrome, take the time to research your browser. You still have to see how much memory it uses for EACH tab you open.

But you wouldn't know anything abou that since you are an "average user"

From: Wizzup?
Well, if you don't need privacy/security then please send me all your passwords, emails and pin codes.

From: Wizzup?
Hey, it's not a pile. All (except for chrome, opera, firefox) the other browsers do stink. If you don't agree then I'm all ears.

From: Overtime
I beg to differ, its the heavy on memory recources, but there is a reason for that.

I'll leave that up to you to figure out.

Press CTRL+ALT+Delete and add up the multiple chrome applications on 1 tab. Then open another 20 more.

From: ggzz
Your the type of guy that would get a virus and say oh.. I just need a simple antivirus to fix it (norton, avg or mcafee).. That sir is a load of Male cow shit.. The average user uses more features than u think.. thats the reason a person gets a smart phone over a samsung flip phone..

Chrome has the worst security ever, lacks plugins, and some great features are missing.. There isnt even a need to say why Internet explorer sucks.. As for safari I know it sucks cuz I use a hackintosh all the time and safari has no security (for windows).. If you download custom iphone software (on the mac part), it WILL remove parts of it essentially fucking up your brand new iphone. (PS I worked at the apple store before)

Want me to explain why netscape sucks too? doubt i needa explain that..

As for ranks… I'd rank it:

1. Firefox
2. Opera.

There is no other.. If you want details on security you can search that.. or make me explain in a long post again.

From: Wizzup?
People are happy with IE 6(7,8,9) & Safari simply because they don't know better. They don't know about security, they don't know of the burden they put on web developers. ``Power users'' going to chrome seems like a silly statement, since Chrome removes most of the tweaking and customising firefox offers. Power users that don't customise or tweak are not power users.

^This is why I rarely open my mouth :biggrin:

i use rockmelt for the integrated facebook

When you say that IE sucks, you just cannot use that same word to describe any other browser. (Well, maybe Netscape.. :p)
Simply put: IE < *.

If only Microsoft actually followed W3 standards, all web developers wouldn't have to make two versions of their pages. Basically, as long as you keep away from IE, the rest is just personal preferences.

Do they have a native x64 install now that works with Java?

Thanks for the heads up, I'm updating now :D And they call it Sh*ternet Explorer for a reason…

firefox is definitely the safest thanks to its master password option which protects the browsers passwords saved dump. Even if you have a trojan they cant decode anything thanks to the master password.

thanks for the heads up, definitely gonna upgrade now.

From: BKNYKavkaz
firefox is definitely the safest thanks to its master password option which protects the browsers passwords saved dump. Even if you have a trojan they cant decode anything thanks to the master password.

thanks for the heads up, definitely gonna upgrade now.

Have to say that's not true.

There's ALWAYS a way to hack something. It may just be a little more difficult with some protective stuff (like gmail's double verification thing.. I like it ;3).

http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/03/pwn2own-day-one-safari-ie8-fall-chrome-unchallenged.ars

From: i luffs yeww
Have to say that's not true.

There's ALWAYS a way to hack something. It may just be a little more difficult with some protective stuff (like gmail's double verification thing.. I like it ;3).

When its a self spreading worm they use universal techniques which will not work with firefox's master password enabled. If you have a master password on firefox and you get password dumped thats because someone payed special attention to you and specifically targeted you. Its not an easy job however it is possible. All in all, its an effectively optimized extra layer of security that other browsers do not include.

Oh god no, my fonts!!! Why, squancy, WHY did you tell me to do this!? IT'S ALL SCREWY NOW.

Revert back to 3.6.16? lol

Its a release canidate for a reason :P

http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/03/pwn2own-day-one-safari-ie8-fall-chrome-unchallenged.ars

From: Overtime
Maybe these link will help some people out.

http://internet-browser-review.toptenreviews.com/

and

http://www.coolpctips.com/2011/02/top-5-best-browsers-which-never-crash/

Looks kind of old (the top pic) it says firefox doesn't have sync etc which it does

so it's even higher than first place now!!!

but yea I've loved firefox for many years and I doubt I'll ever switch, other browsers just don't cut it.

I choose rockmelt ;)

Nah, FF is amazing, wouldn't choose any browser over it.

I'll probably use it if all my add-ons work

From: tarajunky
Do they have a native x64 install now that works with Java?

If Java would provide a 64 bit plugin then it would work. Although I suppose nswrapper works too.

From: cycrosism
I'll probably use it if all my add-ons work

addon compatibility reporter allows you to enable addons that haven't been upgraded to work with 4.0 but still do work. btw. It may not make it so that all addons work (because i've had 1 that didnt, 2 if you include greasemonkey (though greasefire is better than greasemonkey anyways), which isnt many) which almost no one actually knows about. I see people complaining that certain addons dont work after upgrading, but they're ones that I have installed and that they still work. So try that!

Just thought I'd leave this here http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/03/pwn2own-day-2-iphone-blackberry-beaten-chrome-firefox-no-shows.ars :p
One more day to go.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2011/03/investigating_p.html

For those of you on Windows and firefox 4, try out the Start Faster addon.

From: Smartzkid
For those of you on Windows and firefox 4, try out the Start Faster addon.

For those on Linux, just use rsync to copy your entire firefox profile into /dev/shm so that it is completely loaded into RAM. How's that for a fast start. :p

Start faster apparently doesn't work on XP yet according to Tara's blog. I assume its the lack of polish like that that's the reason its not being baked into 4.0

From: Dan Cardin
Start faster apparently doesn't work on XP yet according to Tara's blog. I assume its the lack of polish like that that's the reason its not being baked into 4.0

TBH, nobody should be using XP anyways. It's nearly a decade old!!

And Wizzup, I'm jealous! I'm actually very tempted to dual boot Ubuntu, but I don't have very much free space on my SSD :(

From: Smartzkid
TBH, nobody should be using XP anyways. It's nearly a decade old!!

Well on my netbook I tried installing Windows 7, it worked pretty good but used a lot more ram (My netbook only has 1gb, i've been thinking about upgrading to 2gb) and the processor is only a dual core 1.6ghz so XP works fine on it for me.

I tried using Ubuntu, but it didn't have any specific drivers for my graphics card, only the generic ones which made games (Such as runescape) run at around 1-2 FPS.

From: cycrosism
Well on my netbook I tried installing Windows 7, it worked pretty good but used a lot more ram (My netbook only has 1gb, i've been thinking about upgrading to 2gb) and the processor is only a dual core 1.6ghz so XP works fine on it for me.

I tried using Ubuntu, but it didn't have any specific drivers for my graphics card, only the generic ones which made games (Such as runescape) run at around 1-2 FPS.

You didn't look properly. What card do you have?


@Smartz; I see nothing wrong with XP. ;)

From: Smartzkid
For those of you on Windows and firefox 4, try out the Start Faster addon.

Hey, thanks for this! I wonder why it's not in the 'most downloaded'-sections of the add-ons? (Or did I just miss it?)

Also, I knew about the difference between version states! :p
Hence the 'feeling dumb for wishing it'-part, but I just can't help it. Sorry to bring this back, but I feel that I must preserve at least a small portion of my ego. :p

just pointing it out since afaik the majority still lies on XP, not 7 or vista.

From: Wizzup?
@Smartz; I see nothing wrong with XP. ;)

Off the top of my head, Win7 > XP: proper 64 bit support, TRIM, 2D acceleration, better display driver model.

From: Smartzkid
Off the top of my head, Win7 > XP: proper 64 bit support, TRIM, 2D acceleration, better display driver model.

Yeah, but it doesn't use 1GB of memory when you install it. Plus, I really dislike Aero. (Not that I use Windows often, anyway…)

Dunno, the general responsiveness of XP is better than Win7.

From: Smartzkid
TBH, nobody should be using XP anyways. It's nearly a decade old!!

And Wizzup, I'm jealous! I'm actually very tempted to dual boot Ubuntu, but I don't have very much free space on my SSD :(

Ubuntu only uses 2-3GB. The rest is for your files, so I'm sure you could manage ;)

RAM i assume is what he meant.

From: Dan Cardin
RAM i assume is what he meant.

If you're talking to me, he meant SSD.

I meant SSD :p

I messed around with Ubuntu via WUBI a while back, but it was deathly slow :/

From: Dan Cardin
RAM i assume is what he meant.

Wizzup was talking about RAM, I know since I just installed a win7 VM. Not worth the RAM.. good god.

From: Wizzup?
You didn't look properly. What card do you have?

It's some crappy onboard intel one ill have a look

Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family

Chip Type: Intel(R) GMA 950

orite. I ignored the fact that you quoted smartzkid, and I thought that you were replying to Wizzup saying that Ubuntu needed 2GB of RAM and i was like what?!

From: cycrosism
It's some crappy onboard intel one ill have a look

Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family

Chip Type: Intel(R) GMA 950

The default drivers are the official drivers, Intel's driver just aren't too good. ;)
Plus, their GPU's aren't fast either.

Admin close this topic.

Everone went completely off the original topic.

From: Wizzup?
The default drivers are the official drivers, Intel's driver just aren't too good. ;)
Plus, their GPU's aren't fast either.

I guess I will have to stay with windows then :P

From: cycrosism
It's some crappy onboard intel one ill have a look

Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family

Chip Type: Intel(R) GMA 950

I have the 965 and the Linux OS's I tried just kept constantly freezing up (you know, I actually like the bit with Windows when it actually restarts your OS when something is wrong :p). I remember the time when I was complaining on IRC about it and you just blamed Intel about them being shitty programmers (yet, the problem has never occurred with Windows, funnily enough, if they're shitty programmers) :p

I installed the Beta when I upgraded my families computer, then I see this thread was made a day after I installed it! :p Overall it's nice :)

The final got released today, and it's FAST! Wow.

yes sure google Chrome is the best browser, when i first downloaded it, my internet was running at a lighting speed, i even checked my speed
http://www.ip-details.com/internet-speed-test/
and it was normal too, hitherto i used firefox which chocked my browsing capabilities .
But the only one advantage with firefox is that it has more add ons, which makes things much easier

Firefox 5?

From: Nava2
Firefox 5?

Is it faster than v4?

From: KingKong
Is it faster than v4?

Starts faster for me anyway. I think Chrome is still faster, but I do love Firefox…

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/5.0/releasenotes/

Ian in your opinion is 5.0 any good? I've got that freaking pop up on my computer and can't decide.

~BraK

I see no reason not to update, other than it's just a little silly to me. I don't think that security updates after two months are a reason to make an entire new version, but it's also not difficult to do (much less difficult on linux distros like ubuntu <3). It's (arguably) more secure, and they aren't supporting any previous versions (including 4), so I guess if you're the kind of guy who still uses XP to use it rather than because you can't update due to a lack of sufficient hardware, you might also want to stick with FF4.

But really, it's the same exact browser with security updates. You won't notice any difference.

Firefox 5 is basically 4.1 ;)

From: nielsie95
Firefox 5 is basically 4.1 ;)

I barely saw any cosmetic changes. It practically looks and feels the same for me.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/releasenotes/
vs
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/5.0/releasenotes/

https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Firefox_3.6_for_developers
vs (unfortunately not same format)
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/5.0/releasenotes/buglist.html

I guess that's a 1.0 jump vs a 0.1 jump.

So no point in putting it off and it will stop that annoying pop up. Thanks for the well thought out and explained answer Ian. :)

~BraK