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If you wish to hate, please refrain from posting and bomb me via PM or MSN.

Why not help out the development of RRL today?
For those of you that don't know what RRL is, here's a quick nutshell explanation:

• A fast include to utilize reflection
• Stable
• Flexible
• No memory-leaks
• Actively developed
• Cross-support for SCAR/Simba
• Can work independent from the SRL include

For the others, who have tried out RRL, how would you like to help make it more expansive?

—

RRL is currently in a serious lack of functionality–in the area of Random Events. As you know, Random Events play a huge part in an includes success.
RRL currently covers two random events, of which neither are fully tested. This is a problem!

In the includes current state, it is licensed under a very restrictive license to outside modification (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0), this is for reasons obvious to ensure the includes success. So what I ask of you, is if you would be so kind to lend me a few accounts out of your army that have experienced random events.
Once the include is nearing completion, the include will be switched to a less restrictive license (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0), and will be more open to be adapted to communities, such as SRL, and be open to development by third-parties.

Please lend all accounts via SRL PM or MSN.
MSN: [email]Timer150@Gmail.com[/email]

Any temporary account donations would be greatly appreciated.
Helping out will be rewarded with:

1. A warm feeling that you helped RRL grow. :)
2. Your name in the random-specific file.

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CURRENT DONORS:
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Nice.

From: i luffs yeww
Nice.

Why thank you. :)

Good luck. :)
It will just take time.

I would gladly help you by lending accounts in randoms, but I'd rather give them to a more trusted member. Thats just my opinion, the work you have done on this include is great, but shouldn't you rather work on SRL's reflection? I read that you said it was messy, but make this a new base?

I really don't see why you would want to make this your own include instead of fixing SRL's reflection.

I completely agree with frement and marpis. This seems ridiculous to me when RRL will use SRL anyway. Why would users want to download two includes rather than one. I've had a quick look through RRL and it looks fantastic, it's a shame that you are not developing it on top of/as part of SRL.

Edit: I just reread and I see RRL plans to be independent of SRL. Why? For me the strength of the current reflection is that it has color back up and great mouse and TPA sorting functions from the SRL include. Why in gods name would you want to start over when you have such a great base to work from.

Also, how can we trust a member who has created a second account due to a previous permanent ban? o_O

From: Timer
In the includes current state, it is licensed under a very restrictive license to outside modification (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0), this is for reasons obvious to ensure the includes success.

Sir, you have a lot of nerve insulting a lot of us.

I'm really not sorry that most of us are in university and can not associate hours of time to projects out outside of school.

Sounds good :) I find it a bit weird you guarantee that there are no memory leaks, though. Also, from quickly glancing through your code, I found this:

  finally
    try
    except
      SmartFreeObject(InventoryInterface);
    end;
    try
    except
      SmartFreeObject(TheSlot);
    end;
  end;

Which is a bit of a weird construct? You basically never call SmartFreeObject?

From: nielsie95
Sounds good :) I find it a bit weird you guarantee that there are no memory leaks, though. Also, from quickly glancing through your code, I found this:

  finally
    try
    except
      SmartFreeObject(InventoryInterface);
    end;
    try
    except
      SmartFreeObject(TheSlot);
    end;
  end;

Which is a bit of a weird construct? You basically never call SmartFreeObject?

finally is called in the event of an exception or success, no?

Finally is called whenever you leave the body of the try clause (whether it's through an exception, exit, or just just successfully running through the code). Except, however, is only called in the case of an exception. But as you can't generate an exception out of nothing, the exception clause will never be reached.

program new;
begin
  try
    WriteLn('Hai');
    Exit;
  finally
    WriteLn('There');
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Oh');
    end;
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Noes');
    end;
  end;
end.

Even when you do generate an exception, it never gets called:

program new;
var
  i: Integer;
begin
  i := 0;
  try
    WriteLn('Hai');
    WriteLn(100 / i);
  finally
    WriteLn('There');
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Oh');
    end;
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Noes');
    end;
  end;
end. 

I agree with Nava2, this is a slap in the face to the reflection developers that have already spent a lot of time making reflection a great asset in script writing. Sure, reflection has some bugs. More people just have to step up and be willing to help out the reflection team rather than going off and trying to put it to shame with their own include.

Good initiative, some competition can never hurt ;-).

From: nielsie95
Finally is called whenever you leave the body of the try clause (whether it's through an exception, exit, or just just successfully running through the code). Except, however, is only called in the case of an exception. But as you can't generate an exception out of nothing, the exception clause will never be reached.

program new;
begin
  try
    WriteLn('Hai');
    Exit;
  finally
    WriteLn('There');
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Oh');
    end;
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Noes');
    end;
  end;
end.

Even when you do generate an exception, it never gets called:

program new;
var
  i: Integer;
begin
  i := 0;
  try
    WriteLn('Hai');
    WriteLn(100 / i);
  finally
    WriteLn('There');
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Oh');
    end;
    try
    except
      WriteLn('Noes');
    end;
  end;
end. 

I'll look into it at home.

From: Frement
I would gladly help you by lending accounts in randoms, but I'd rather give them to a more trusted member. Thats just my opinion, the work you have done on this include is great, but shouldn't you rather work on SRL's reflection? I read that you said it was messy, but make this a new base?

They dont let him work on *SRL's* reflection (which is really just reflection, not SRLs, because SRL doesn't want reflection in the include) iirc, ask around for why. That being said, he obviously has the time and skill to create this, and should be praised for it.

Also, Timer was once an SRL Member, banned for disrespect iirc. You were banned for account stealing and then came back. who was banned for worse? I trust both of you with any accounts that I would have.

From: Daniel
Also, how can we trust a member who has created a second account due to a previous permanent ban? o_O

You trust iroki's random solvers. You trust MOB to be SRL Members. How is this different? Especially since Timer never stole accounts, he was banned for other reasons.

Gratz Timer, good job :)

Definitely dont put him down for the work he is putting into his own include. When he showed me the include, I asked him alot of the same questions, but it is his choice. I also am slightly put off that he was permanently banned as an include can be changed easily to steal information.

I don't know why he was banned though, and his include seems very well put together.
If I remember right, someone stated recently that there are 0 active reflection devs. I cant say that I would choose to fix something extremely messy or go work on something new considering I would be doing all the work myself anyway. It seems that fixing others messes is sometimes harder than starting over.

I am in no way trying to put down the people that have worked hard on SRL-Reflection, but it leaves much to be desired.

From: 3Garrett3
They dont let him work on *SRL's* reflection (which is really just reflection, not SRLs, because SRL doesn't want reflection in the include) iirc, ask around for why. That being said, he obviously has the time and skill to create this, and should be praised for it.

Also, Timer was once an SRL Member, banned for disrespect iirc. You were banned for account stealing and then came back. who was banned for worse? I trust both of you with any accounts that I would have.

You trust iroki's random solvers. You trust MOB to be SRL Members. How is this different? Especially since Timer never stole accounts, he was banned for other reasons.

Gratz Timer, good job :)

Well, you got some good points in there. But still, I must say that I was away for 3 years, and comparison to Timer, he was away like, how long? And I didn't know the reason of the ban, so sorry about that. Still, EvilChicken! is the only one that currently has my password for my accounts. And random developers have the password for my army. People can change, but it takes time. And yes, now that I think of it, I would probably trust my army's password for Timer, but not my main.

The argument that anyone "should" have to go back and fix someone else's short comings is laughable at best.

Edit:
Sorry, I just spotted out my own idiocy. I was on my phone earlier, they should be in the try, no the except.

The "SRL" reflection was maintained by people who did not know what they were doing for to long. If you maintained a include that relied on SMART, one would think you would know you have to free smart objects to prevent memory leaks…

From: IceFire908
The argument that anyone "should" have to go back and fix someone else's short comings is laughable at best.

Thank you.

From: 3Garrett3
They dont let him work on *SRL's* reflection (which is really just reflection, not SRLs, because SRL doesn't want reflection in the include) iirc, ask around for why. That being said, he obviously has the time and skill to create this, and should be praised for it.

Also, Timer was once an SRL Member, banned for disrespect iirc. You were banned for account stealing and then came back. who was banned for worse? I trust both of you with any accounts that I would have.



You trust iroki's random solvers. You trust MOB to be SRL Members. How is this different? Especially since Timer never stole accounts, he was banned for other reasons.

Gratz Timer, good job :)

Thanks brother. <3

From: kitchenrange
Definitely dont put him down for the work he is putting into his own include. When he showed me the include, I asked him alot of the same questions, but it is his choice. I also am slightly put off that he was permanently banned as an include can be changed easily to steal information.

I don't know why he was banned though, and his include seems very well put together.
If I remember right, someone stated recently that there are 0 active reflection devs. I cant say that I would choose to fix something extremely messy or go work on something new considering I would be doing all the work myself anyway. It seems that fixing others messes is sometimes harder than starting over.

I am in no way trying to put down the people that have worked hard on SRL-Reflection, but it leaves much to be desired.

It's not that I don't want to fix the mess, it's that they wont let me be a dev.

From: mastaraymond
Good initiative, some competition can never hurt ;-).

;)

From: Echo_
I agree with Nava2, this is a slap in the face to the reflection developers that have already spent a lot of time making reflection a great asset in script writing. Sure, reflection has some bugs. More people just have to step up and be willing to help out the reflection team rather than going off and trying to put it to shame with their own include.

Not to be arrogant, but this should be a slap to the face. Nava2 along with others shot me down when I asked to be allowed to be on the SRL-Ref team, and said the include "turned to shit" when I had some control.

From: Nava2
Sir, you have a lot of nerve insulting a lot of us.

I'm really not sorry that most of us are in university and can not associate hours of time to projects out outside of school.

I'm sorry that life's not fair.

From: Daniel
Also, how can we trust a member who has created a second account due to a previous permanent ban? o_O

Your own choice. I wasn't banned for account stealing of any sort.

From: ReadySteadyGo
I completely agree with frement and marpis. This seems ridiculous to me when RRL will use SRL anyway. Why would users want to download two includes rather than one. I've had a quick look through RRL and it looks fantastic, it's a shame that you are not developing it on top of/as part of SRL.

Edit: I just reread and I see RRL plans to be independent of SRL. Why? For me the strength of the current reflection is that it has color back up and great mouse and TPA sorting functions from the SRL include. Why in gods name would you want to start over when you have such a great base to work from.

RRL will not use SRL.
RRL would be restricted by using SRL, as I do not have SRL developer access.
I don't see this "great base to work from".

From: marpis
I really don't see why you would want to make this your own include instead of fixing SRL's reflection.

No one allowed me to. :duh:

From: Frement
I would gladly help you by lending accounts in randoms, but I'd rather give them to a more trusted member. Thats just my opinion, the work you have done on this include is great, but shouldn't you rather work on SRL's reflection? I read that you said it was messy, but make this a new base?

They wont accept this as the new base, for two reasons:
I wont allow any of the current reflection developers (or past developers, for that matter) to touch the official include, they would be restrained to a fork–if SRL makes one.
They wont throw out all the work in simba-reflection.

I apologise, I misunderstood your reasons for making it separate. Good on you for showing the direction reflection needs to be taking.

Ideally I would love to see this in SRL, which you have said will happen anyway when you change the license. I will be following with interest.

From: ReadySteadyGo
I apologise, I misunderstood your reasons for making it separate. Good on you for showing the direction reflection needs to be taking.

Ideally I would love to see this in SRL, which you have said will happen anyway when you change the license. I will be following with interest.

When I change the license, it will be up to SRL if they wish to adapt and modify RRL to include SRL and/or other modifications. Other than that, they could include it with Simba in it's current state, just without any modification.

Nice Timer :)

From: Train
Edit:
Sorry, I just spotted out my own idiocy. I was on my phone earlier, they should be in the try, no the except.

They should be in the finally clause, just not in another nested try..except.

EDIT:

From: Train
When I change the license, it will be up to SRL if they wish to adapt and modify RRL to include SRL and/or other modifications. Other than that, they could include it with Simba in it's current state, just without any modification.

It's not up to the Simba developers to include it with Simba. It's up to the scripters and users to use it.

@They should be in the finally clause, just not in another nested try..except.
I accidentally had
try
except
code
end;

instead of
try
code
except
end;

@It's not up to the Simba developers to include it with Simba. It's up to the scripters and users to use it. :
I meant SRL as a community.

From: 3Garrett3
They dont let him work on *SRL's* reflection (which is really just reflection, not SRLs, because SRL doesn't want reflection in the include) iirc, ask around for why. That being said, he obviously has the time and skill to create this, and should be praised for it.

That's complete bull. Patches are obviously accepted, Timer is making this for other reasons. (Some of which I find obvious, some I don't really understand. If he's not ``allowed'' to commit to SRL Reflection then I still don't see why you'd want to remake SRL as well)

From: 3Garrett3
Also, Timer was once an SRL Member, banned for disrespect iirc. You were banned for account stealing and then came back. who was banned for worse? I trust both of you with any accounts that I would have.

Inciting hatred is not the same as disrespect.

From: Wizzup?
That's complete bull. Patches are obviously accepted, Timer is making this for other reasons. (Some of which I find obvious, some I don't really understand. If he's not ``allowed'' to commit to SRL Reflection then I still don't see why you'd want to remake SRL as well)



Inciting hatred is not the same as disrespect.

I was turned down before reflection was hosted in git. Nava2 also insulted me.

From: Train
I was turned down before reflection was hosted in git. Nava2 also insulted me.

I suppose I don't have to tell you how many times others (including you) have insulted me? Hear me crying? I've also told you I'm not just giving access to the SRL Reflection repository because you're not a trusted member. Simple, no matter how you or others twist it. I don't trust you, and I'm not going to give you commit access especially since one of the purposes of git is to NOT give everyone access to one central repository.

Enough off-topic-ness.

Looks promising, good job!

I insulted you because you are immature and, quite frankly, have awful code.

Are you aware that you actually have MORE memory leaks thanks to what nielsie posted? Again, you are looking for ways to seem better than everyone else. As I've stated in other places, you are not above everyone else and you way of doing things is inferior.

I've actually told you that I am more than willing to pull from you with SRL, but I am not willing to give you full access. You had it in the past and forced me to spend over 10h cleaning the include after your ridiculous modifications. Method and others can verify this. We ended up removing you for it.

Case and point, we do things for a reason. Please stop trying to get pity and create spite.

To reiterate:

From: Wizzup
I suppose I don't have to tell you how many times others (including you) have insulted me? Hear me crying? I've also told you I'm not just giving access to the SRL Reflection repository because you're not a trusted member. Simple, no matter how you or others twist it. I don't trust you, and I'm not going to give you commit access especially since one of the purposes of git is to NOT give everyone access to one central repository.

Enough off-topic-ness.

From: Nava2
I insulted you because you are immature and, quite frankly, have awful code.

Are you aware that you actually have MORE memory leaks thanks to what nielsie posted? Again, you are looking for ways to seem better than everyone else. As I've stated in other places, you are not above everyone else and you way of doing things is inferior.

I've actually told you that I am more than willing to pull from you with SRL, but I am not willing to give you full access. You had it in the past and forced me to spend over 10h cleaning the include after your ridiculous modifications. Method and others can verify this. We ended up removing you for it.

Case and point, we do things for a reason. Please stop trying to get pity and create spite.

To reiterate:

You're hilarious.

@You had it in the past and forced me to spend over 10h cleaning the include after your ridiculous modifications. Method and others can verify this. We ended up removing you for it. : Oh, you weren't a noob once?
–

From: Naum
Looks promising, good job!

Hey, thanks man. :)

I lent timer my account twice(It just loves getting randoms…), nothing was stolen.

You can trust Timer. I've known him for a while, he knows my entire army's passwords and he hasn't done anything with them. He is also lending me 10 mil. He really does mean well, and he's trying to do a good thing.

~King of the Nites

Drill demon confirmed working. :)

Are you ever planning to make this open source? By the way, I'm kinda going more along with what Wizzup and Nava2 posted, given the past can you really blame them for being cautious? I'm glad they're this cautious, it's nice knowing that my passwords are safe using Scar or Simba, and we have the SRL developers to thank for that. But don't get me wrong, it looks like you've put a good deal of work into your include and I've nothing against it, but I still think until you work with the community on development, you should keep this private for yourself, it's just not worth the risk of everyone IMO.

It's completely open source–has been…
https://github.com/RRLibrary/RRL
Your post made absolutely no sense to me.

From: Train
It's completely open-source–has been…
https://github.com/RRLibrary/RRL
Your post made absolutely no sense to me.

Don't act stupid…

From: Wizzup?
It's not listed on the Open Source license list: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical so I'm not going to call it open source. More like read only source.

It makes perfect sense. He says "I think you should work with the community or keep it yourself".

It's technically "open source" to "his" definition. He can read through the code all he wants.

FOSS != open-source.

Definition: To release the source code of; Of, or relating to a product which is licensed to permit modifications and redistribution of its source code
Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Open_source

I warned you that you should have grown up :/

"Definition: To release the source code of".
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

"which is licensed to permit modifications and redistribution"
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't even care anymore. *shrug*

google "define:open-source"
http://www.google.no/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define%3Aopen-source

Why bother arguing about whether it's open source or not? You can read all the code you want, so you can read through it to see if it got any suspicious code, which I highly doubt. If you don't want to use RRL, don't! It's that simple. What's wrong with Timer developing his own include, and what's stopping him from doing it? There's no harm in it, is there? No.

Keep up the good work Timer! :)

I never knew the formal definition of open-source.
I just used the word "open source" because of English mechanics.

And thank you Rich. :)

EDIT:
And on a more positive note, Pinball confirmed working!

Well if you are willing to admit that you didn't know the real definition then fair enough.

TBH… Good job.

I'm still open for any accounts in randoms if you would like to lend them. ;)
Any would be greatly appreciated in return of your use of RRL (if you use RRL :p).

I have a comment that might be good or might be bad depending on your views but dont judge me.

In my opinion both includes should be merged.. if u dont trust him then just read the includes and see if u can merge them. How it affects the user is crucial.. I just tried to use RRL alone, it failed pretty hard because there are so many important things missing.. the Bank.txt is almost completely empty.. The difference in commands is ridiculous.. Example:
R_FindRandoms… in RRL its R_HandleRandoms or something… Having to change everything is not very user friendly for the people that want to use both. R_InvCount is the same as R_GetInventoryCountByID… waw… really now? Thats way to much of a change… Dont get me wrong I like both Reflection by Simba and RRL.. But the thing is IF I wanna use scar, I have to rewrite my entire program.. and there is only one reason I wanna use scar atm.. and that is:

InterScarMessage… Which simba doesnt support.. This command allows keypresses even with smart open. There are also other features which I like.. but having to use two programs and two different Libraries isnt very efficient for myself and other users. Besides that The two libraries are totally completely different.

If I was smart enough, Id probably have merged both libraries to work along side eachother rather than two separate libraries.

From: ggzz
InterScarMessage… Which simba doesnt support..

He does this on purpose, I wouldn't bother with it too much if I were you. He wants you to use scar so that's why he's trying to use completely useless functions. Like requiring log10 when there's logn. You know I'm actually laughing IRL now because he's using InterScarMessage in an include which runs on a single thread.

From: Wizzup?
He does this on purpose, I wouldn't bother with it too much if I were you. He wants you to use scar so that's why he's trying to use completely useless functions. Like requiring log10 when there's logn. You know I'm actually laughing IRL now because you're using InterScarMessage in a single script.

I do what on purpose?
RRL is compatible with Simba and SCAR.

E: I think I completely misread.

I don't use interscarmessages one bit.

From: Train
I don't use interscarmessages one bit.

Yeah, I misread. It would have been very weird if you had used that in an include. Sorry for that. ;)

From: ggzz
I have a comment that might be good or might be bad depending on your views but dont judge me.

In my opinion both includes should be merged.. if u dont trust him then just read the includes and see if u can merge them. How it affects the user is crucial.. I just tried to use RRL alone, it failed pretty hard because there are so many important things missing.. the Bank.txt is almost completely empty.. The difference in commands is ridiculous.. Example:
R_FindRandoms… in RRL its R_HandleRandoms or something… Having to change everything is not very user friendly for the people that want to use both. R_InvCount is the same as R_GetInventoryCountByID… waw… really now? Thats way to much of a change… Dont get me wrong I like both Reflection by Simba and RRL.. But the thing is IF I wanna use scar, I have to rewrite my entire program.. and there is only one reason I wanna use scar atm.. and that is:

InterScarMessage… Which simba doesnt support.. This command allows keypresses even with smart open. There are also other features which I like.. but having to use two programs and two different Libraries isnt very efficient for myself and other users. Besides that The two libraries are totally completely different.

If I was smart enough, Id probably have merged both libraries to work along side eachother rather than two separate libraries.

It's a small factor for a big reward.

interscarmessage would be nice on simba

InterSimbaMessage. ;)

Oh … wait does simba have it?

From: yago
interscarmessage would be nice on simba

Why? What would you use it for?

say im using smart and some idiot asks me a question … I would have to stop smart and respond rite? According to the description it allows keypresses with smart open. Tell me if im totally confused or off the mark.

Well, it's mainly off topic here. I think you can just type in the SMART window if you're using a recent SMART, no need to stop the script. You could also make your script respond to a certain key being down; on which it would ask you what text you would like to type. Don't see why you need InterScarMessages for that.

wouldnt you have to stop your script and disable smart in order to respond to someone talking to you?

From: yago
wouldnt you have to stop your script and disable smart in order to respond to someone talking to you?

Not really. Depends on how you implement it. Either way you wouldn't need InterScarMessage for that.

You can type in smart without disabling it.

From: ggzz
i have a comment that might be good or might be bad depending on your views but dont judge me.

In my opinion both includes should be merged.. If u dont trust him then just read the includes and see if u can merge them. How it affects the user is crucial.. I just tried to use rrl alone, it failed pretty hard because there are so many important things missing.. The bank.txt is almost completely empty.. The difference in commands is ridiculous.. Example:
R_findrandoms… In rrl its r_handlerandoms or something… Having to change everything is not very user friendly for the people that want to use both. R_invcount is the same as r_getinventorycountbyid… Waw… Really now? Thats way to much of a change…

His plan is to completely remove the need for srl-reflection, its just not complete at this point.

From: Train
You can type in smart without disabling it.

Crap really now I feel like a noob. Ive tried it before but it never works and sometimes it disables my keyboard.

From: yago
Crap really now I feel like a noob. Ive tried it before but it never works and sometimes it disables my keyboard.

Just minimize and re-open smart a couple times.

For me it works only if I
1)
Disable
2)
Enable
3)
Disable

if that doesn't work, repeat a few more times.

Can we please get back on topic?
RRL needs accounts with randoms! :p

Sorry sorry :p I'll see what I can do ;)

From: Floor66
For me it works only if I
1)
Disable
2)
Enable
3)
Disable

if that doesn't work, repeat a few more times.

Sorry for offtopic again but I meant while running the script. not when paused or scriptterminated

From: yago
Sorry for offtopic again but I meant while running the script. not when paused or scriptterminated

PM me for assistance.
Please stop derailing this important topic. :(

From: Train
PM me for assistance.
Please stop derailing this important topic. :(

Sorry didnt mean to start a derailment.. but There were quite a bit of questions in my previous post.. Like why have two libraries separate when you can have just one?! ONE.. is all the USERS need.. whether it is a problem between developers.. Or if developers arent getting along and decide to make separate libraries to spite each other, that has nothing to do with the community as a whole. Two different sets of commands that do exactly the same thing :S Why?

As For the development on RRL I dont mind it but I just see things different and only a need for one library.. You develop it and maybe an srl dev can implement it into srl.. it doesnt change the fact that YOU are still the developer of it.. I've Done lots of programs in c++ and released the code but no matter how much it changes from when I started it, its still my Idea, My work, My thoughts that went into it to get it as far as it did.

I mean a library consists of sections and different books.. but their all in the same building & on the same planet.. How ever you wanna take it. One of the points of simba and scar is to write scripts that WORK for ALL USERS.. it shouldnt matter what library you use or if you use scar vs simba.

As for InterScarMessage and typing while a script is running, this is only possible when u click the chat box.. otherwise if the simba/smart mouse is moving, you have to wait until its not moving to click the chat box and type.

Why have two libraries separate when you can have just one?!
srl-reflection is a pile of crap (no offence). Why should I have to fix someones coming up short?
People who didn't know what they were doing had developer's access too long, plus, the current developers dislike me.
Futhermore, RRL has been my personal project for over a year now. I just recently decided to re-write it and throw it on github for others to use.

You develop it and maybe an srl dev can implement it into srl.. it doesnt change the fact that YOU are still the developer of it.. I've Done lots of programs in c++ and released the code but no matter how much it changes from when I started it, its still my Idea, My work, My thoughts that went into it to get it as far as it did.
The purpose of RRL isn't for SRL to adapt it.
It's simply my personal library that I'm offering for use. If SRL wants to adapt it they can talk to me.

I mean a library consists of sections and different books.. but their all in the same building & on the same planet.. How ever you wanna take it. One of the points of simba and scar is to write scripts that WORK for ALL USERS.. it shouldnt matter what library you use or if you use scar vs simba.
RRL works in SCAR and Simba whereas srl-reflection only works in Simba.

As for InterScarMessage and typing while a script is running, this is only possible when u click the chat box.. otherwise if the simba/smart mouse is moving, you have to wait until its not moving to click the chat box and type.
No, you don't have to wait.

Oh I see… Well If so, I'd like to suggest a few things.. add more functions to bank.txt… that only has 2 functions -_- Lots of functions are missing, not sure why. Maybe it takes long but Iunno, Im not a developer for this kind of stuff..

As for having to wait to type.. I dunno about you, but I've tried it several times.. I have to wait.. Well at least in simba.. Not sure about scar though.

Never knew it was a personal project as I only saw threads about using it on this site. So I thought it was a community thing :S
For now I'll just read through it, Not sure if I'll use it yet though because there is quite a bit missing but maybe ill find useful functions in it.
Just gotta get used to the commands being different I guess :/

The bank core is…larger.. It's just on my development branch, not on the main repository yet.

EDIT:
Enjoy! ;)

git.exe merge     remotes/Timer/master

Updating 164890e..c69f425
Fast-forward
 RRL.txt                  |    2 +
 core/Accounts.txt        |   36 +++++++++++++
 core/Bank.txt            |  124 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 core/Camera.txt          |    4 +-
 core/Game.txt            |    4 +-
 core/Globals.txt         |   21 +++++---
 core/Interfaces.txt      |   26 +++++++++
 core/Menu.txt            |   14 +++---
 core/NPCs.txt            |   11 +++-
 core/Randoms/Pinball.txt |    1 +
 core/Text.txt            |  131 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 core/Timing.txt          |   74 ++++++++++++++++++--------
 dev/Parser.scar          |   11 ++++
 misc/Smart.txt           |   93 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 14 files changed, 509 insertions(+), 43 deletions(-)
 create mode 100644 core/Accounts.txt
 create mode 100644 core/Text.txt
 create mode 100644 misc/Smart.txt
Success

When I tried RRL the main reason that I backed out a bit was because it had no banking functions :p I'll take another look at it later.

ggzz you're very frustrating.

RRL works on simba and scar. You're creating some debate for yourself because you want to use a single procedure that's in scar, that really probably wont work very well for what you want it to in the end. Reflection has messy code and memory leaks. Timer wrote RRL for himself so he could have an include that doesn't have those problems.

Please be reminded, if anyone has some functions that you want to be added, just hit me up and I'll do it asap if they're not useless.

What if we write them ourselves and send them to you for submission?

From: Sex
What if we write them ourselves and send them to you for submission?

No.

Aha, fail project then. If you're gonna talk shit on SRL/SRL Reflection why are you still here? Why are you asking us for help (even with random accounts)?! I mean, why can't you accept functions from us? I don't think your code is all that efficient, I'm sure people could come up with better. This should be a community effort, but I respect that you don't want it to be (for unknown reasons to me)…I don't know about everyone else, but I wouldn't support this because of Timer's attitude towards his own work. Dude, I hate to break it to you, but you aren't the best damn scripter around. Just sayin'.

Thanks for stating what's already known.

You're welcome. I didn't read the whole thread, my apologies.

I'm not asking SRL for help.
I'm asking the people that use RRL for personal projects to help. ;)

I read through the thread and almost every point I was gonna hit in my next post was already mentioned. Um, I fail to see your reasoning for keeping this as a, uh, personal project? If it can serve the community well, why not allow the community to help? No point in keeping it how you have it when it has more potential than that.

Why keep it a personal project?
So what happened to srl-reflection doesn't happen to RRL.

From: Train
Why keep it a personal project?
So what happened to srl-reflection doesn't happen to RRL.

Do you mean people stopped working on it? I can see that happen to a one man project, but not so much to a community project. At least less quickly than to a one man project.

Fortunately, SRL-Reflection is going back on track now. An important memory leak was fixed and it had nothing to do with the quality of the include. I went through it and it really isn't that bad, so don't throw around too much FUD.

No, so that a lot of people like Cstrike don't get control and ruin it.

From: Train
No, so that a lot of people like Cstrike don't get control and ruin it.

Lmao, more FUD. A few people with commit access means certain commits can be blocked or changed (which you have experienced yourself); multiple people working on one project (and they don't all need commit access) doesn't mean they can all ruin it thus the chance on ruining it is higher.

K bro.

EPIC troll, gj dude.

And good luck with your include.

From: Smartzkid
EPIC troll, gj dude.

And good luck with your include.

This thread is like…troll-bait on a stick.

But thanks.

NPC.txt Line 219, Invalid parameters.. also still missing a lot of functions from bank.txt and players.txt is blank..

I renamed everything to .scar instead of .txt now cuz its way more readable as .scar… highlights in green and everything.

From: ggzz
I renamed everything to .scar instead of .txt now cuz its way more readable as .scar… highlights in green and everything.

Just open it in scar/simba and it'll be in colors anyways.. in-dependent of if it's .txt or .scar

Fixed compile.

From: ggzz
NPC.txt Line 219, Invalid parameters.. also still missing a lot of functions from bank.txt and players.txt is blank..

I renamed everything to .scar instead of .txt now cuz its way more readable as .scar… highlights in green and everything.

Changing to .scar is stupid.
Also, players.txt is useless, I don't see why anyone would need it YET.
Bank is complete enough for a script, unless you want depositbyids.

From: Train
Fixed compile.


Changing to .scar is stupid.
Also, players.txt is useless, I don't see why anyone would need it YET.
Bank is complete enough for a script, unless you want depositbyids.

Having .txt in the first place is stupid?

From: Emaziz
Having .txt in the first place is stupid?

Why is .txt stupid?

From: Train
Why is .txt stupid?

Because then you have to open it by manually opening Simba/SCAR first then open from there, or you have to set default .txt program to Simba/SCAR, and I don't use Simba/SCAR for text editing. I use notepad. :)

Why is .scar stupid?

If I used a .scar or .simba extension it would look like I'm taking sides for the Include.
.txt keeps an equal ground, plus, your point is invalid, you don't have to set your default .txt program to SCAR or Simba.
For one, you're not even legally allowed to modifiy it.
Two, they appear in the SCAR/Simba file browser just fine without extra clicks.
Three, you can just drag the .txt onto SCAR/Simba and it opens it, or right click Open With->SCAR/Simba in the sub menu.

From: Train
If I used a .scar or .simba extension it would look like I'm taking sides for the Include.
.txt keeps an equal ground, plus, your point is invalid, you don't have to set your default .txt program to SCAR or Simba.
For one, you're not even legally allowed to modifiy it.
Two, they appear in the SCAR/Simba file browser just fine without extra clicks.
Three, you can just drag the .txt onto SCAR/Simba and it opens it, or right click Open With->SCAR/Simba in the sub menu.

All those arguments can't beat the fact that .simba or .scar is way easier. Besides, why does it matter which one you use? I can't understand why anyone would care about what "side" you take for the include.

From: Emaziz
All those arguments can't beat the fact that .simba or .scar is way easier. Besides, why does it matter which one you use? I can't understand why anyone would care about what "side" you take for the include.

My past here has an impact on what "side" I take.

From: Train
My past here has an impact on what "side" I take.

Fair enough.

Still, .scar is not stupid.

.scar nor .simba is stupid.
Using it for RRL is stupid though. It's a universal library.

From: Train
.scar nor .simba is stupid.
Using it for RRL is stupid though. It's a universal library.

Both Simba and Scar can open either extensions. It would be easier for everyone if you had .scar or .simba.

Having .scar or .simba harms noone.

Having .txt forces everyone who wants to open them (in SCAR or Simba) to waste precious seconds, and those seconds are actually precious.

From: Train
.scar nor .simba is stupid.
Using it for RRL is stupid though. It's a universal library.

Seeing as Simba opens both .scar and .simba, why not just make them all .scar?

From: mormonman
Seeing as Simba opens both .scar and .simba, why not just make them all .scar?

Nah.

—-

OMFG WHAT JUST HAPPENED??!!? ;)
https://github.com/RRLibrary/RRL/commit/39bcc6218b9ad1d6895d8616fb335fffbab079cb

Delete.

I wrote it line by line.
Anyway, I want it removed off SRL since SRL doesn't want it here and it's causing anger.
#thread delete request.

From: Emaziz
Fair enough.

Still, .scar is not stupid.

I too disagree.

From: Train
OMFG WHAT JUST HAPPENED??!!? ;)
https://github.com/RRLibrary/RRL/commit/39bcc6218b9ad1d6895d8616fb335fffbab079cb

Sweet! :D

From: Dynamite
Delete.

What the hell are you talking about? He wrote it all…?

21:41 BenLand100 he didn't write most of what's in there anyway, so he can't license it anyway

From: Dynamite
21:41 BenLand100 he didn't write most of what's in there anyway, so he can't license it anyway

Who wrote it then?

From: Dynamite
21:41 BenLand100 he didn't write most of what's in there anyway, so he can't license it anyway

And you believed that without proof? Or did you choose to not post the proof?

Edited my post.
Was out of order.
Sorry.

Won't let me [assuming you're talking to me].