SRL Archive - NOTA

Edit:

Built a whole new one with gratz's help :).

Links:
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
XFX HD-575X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC
2x G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor ADX640WFGMBOX

Thoughts/suggestions/input?

Hey Sex, looking for a good build without breaking the bank?

Your answers are here: http://www.hardware-revolution.com/

Simply find the type of build u want and they will break it down on why they chose those parts.

Are you over clocking? Your ram is that expensive because it's made to be overclocked

Um, I don't know. If it is made to be then I will :p.

From: Sex
Um, I don't know. If it is made to be then I will :p.

In all honesty if you're buying to overclock it's going to be expensive

also your CPU is a great one for overclocking it'll go very high but you'll need a good cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181013&Tpk=h70


and load speed won't be improved too much because of how slow HDD's are, if you want to go a tier down you'll still be able to run multiple runescape bots while having WoW on max settings and 20 tabs open on firefox while watching a movie on netflix etc etc.. most people get computers that will run 500% more than they do lol

let me know if you wanna go down into the 600-800 price range I'll stick with intel


edit:

quad cores with hyper threading are really just quad cores that produce more heat

I run an i5-760

runs everything I could ever want it to.. WoW while I got a few virtual machines up with simba running.. etc etc
I wouldn't want you to waste a few hundred let me know and I'll link you some better priced stuff

One advice, buy a ssd disk and run it as primary. then you use the 1tb disk for large files you dont need all the time :)

I'd like to keep the price under $800. All I really want is 6gb DDR3 RAM, a 3.0+ghz quad-core CPU, and yeah.

I was thinking of buying a SSD but I heard they deteriorate over time.

I wasn't planning on overclocking anything, perhaps the CPU but nothing else really.

Edit: Dude gratz, add me on MSN? [email]me@kwollaston.com[/email].

Right now SSD is not the best unless performance is of the utmost importance. Because its fairly new the technology is not good compared to HDD, and its too pricy.

From: kongking
Right now SSD is not the best unless performance is of the utmost importance. Because its fairly new the technology is not good compared to HDD, and its too pricy.

I couldn't agree more

SSD increase, at most, your bootup… for what we use it for

if anything it'll increase the loading speed for some of your games, games do run from RAM so that's where all your speed would come from besides loading where the info goes from drive to ram


@sex I added you but I don't see you online, I added you earlier lol
but if you're not overclocking we can easily get you 8 gigs of ram for half the price of your ram

From: kongking
Right now SSD is not the best unless performance is of the utmost importance. Because its fairly new the technology is not good compared to HDD, and its too pricy.

It cost alot yes but its also ALOT faster than a 9,4k rpm disk, so much faster it cant even be compared, expecially with pcie connection ( but thats unesesary). however for rs2 botting, ssd disk will NOT give any advantage, else than opening scar/simba :P

If you want to skimp, get 4GB of ram if using AMD, 6 if Intel.
I dont like seagate, but some people do. Might want to get a 640GB hdd - cheaper.
Might want to up the GPU to a 5770 if going ati - iirc they're down to the 130's - 150s.
Get a better cpu, the sandybridge intel cpus seem to be amazing.
Mobo doesnt nearly have to be that expensive…

Holy hell.



What is your budget?

Below $800.

Edit: I can't get an Intel CPU with that mobo.
If you'll choose another mobo for cheaper I'll use it. I just want a few 3.0 USB ports, DDR3 1600, and gigabit LAN.

I agree get the 5770 and get the Vapor-X one.

Shit runs VERY cool.

And fck the Antec 300. Get the Coolermaster 932 or 942.

I got the 932 for x-mas and let me tell ya. Its quite and keeps my temps at 31 degrees with a Coolermaster Hyper 212.

The case is VERY huge and alone weighs 30 pounds. But it supports all motherboards. Best airflow case on the market imo.

Modified it. Changed the Mobo, HDD, and GPU. Got the GPU you suggested, however I kept the same case. I doubt this thing will run that hot.

DVD Drive $16.99
Case: $69.99
HDD $79.99 - Got a slightly more expensive one for the increased transfer rate to utilize the mobo.
Mobo $99.99 - Got a $70 cheaper one, will suit my needs.
GPU $144.99 - Got this because of suggestion.
PSU $69.99
RAM $49.99 (x2=$99.98)
CPU $99.99

Subtotal: $676.91
Tax: $55.85
Shipping: $5.80
Grand total: $738.56

Eh, $30.51 price reduction, not bad :D?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

From: TRiLeZ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

Mm, with the 4x2GB I currently have, I'll be using all of my slots, but I don't believe I'll ever need more than 8GB of RAM. So I don't know. What advantages are there to using that instead of what I have? Because currently it is a little cheaper :p.

From: Sex
Modified it. Changed the Mobo, HDD, and GPU. Got the GPU you suggested, however I kept the same case. I doubt this thing will run that hot.

DVD Drive $16.99
Case: $69.99
HDD $79.99 - Got a slightly more expensive one for the increased transfer rate to utilize the mobo.
Mobo $99.99 - Got a $70 cheaper one, will suit my needs.
GPU $144.99 - Got this because of suggestion.
PSU $69.99
RAM $49.99 (x2=$99.98)
CPU $99.99

Subtotal: $676.91
Tax: $55.85
Shipping: $5.80
Grand total: $738.56

Eh, $30.51 price reduction, not bad :D?

Looks good, most is the same but the gfx card, mobo, and hdd?

I'd stick with the cheap / big HDD honestly, if you want performance go SSD imo

Why switch the gpu?

and mobo looks fine

20$ over 800, but you can switch the 6850 out for a 5770 if you REALLY want to.

From: Capricorn
20$ over 800, but you can switch the 6850 out for a 5770 if you REALLY want to.

I may just go the Intel route…I don't know though. Cost a lot more..

From: Capricorn
20$ over 800, but you can switch the 6850 out for a 5770 if you REALLY want to.

You're going to need to switch the graphics card too?


Also that's a ridiculous processor for someone not running anything major.. imo

From: Sex
Mm, with the 4x2GB I currently have, I'll be using all of my slots, but I don't believe I'll ever need more than 8GB of RAM. So I don't know. What advantages are there to using that instead of what I have? Because currently it is a little cheaper :p.

This will take up 2 slots, instead of 4. It'll give you room to upgrade without not being able to use everything you bought, if you ever do decide to buy more RAM.

Yes, but when will I ever need to upgrade to 12/16GB?

Proly in a couple of decades lol

From: gratz
You're going to need to switch the graphics card too?


Also that's a ridiculous processor for someone not running anything major.. imo

Gaming = major

Heck you go downgrade to a i3 540 from the i5-2500k and it would slap that AMD build around like a little bitch.

No point in going with the x4 620 because the x2 265 will give similar performance in games (not multithreaded stuff) for 30$ less.

Heck, you could even go Phenom II 555 BE which beats the x4 620 in almost every application.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/188?vs=120

A 5770 is a little weaksauce though, that's why I didn't really want to for go the 6850. If OP really wanted to he could leave the heatsink behind and it would be in his budget. (he would be fine even overclocking a little with stock)

Yeah, looking at that shit, I'm gonna just repick all the parts and go the Intel route.

From: Capricorn
Gaming = major

Heck you go downgrade to a i3 540 from the i5-2500k and it would slap that AMD build around like a little bitch.

No point in going with the x4 620 because the x2 265 will give similar performance in games (not multithreaded stuff) for 30$ less.

Heck, you could even go Phenom II 555 BE which beats the x4 620 in almost every application.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/188?vs=120

A 5770 is a little weaksauce though, that's why I didn't really want to for go the 6850. If OP really wanted to he could leave the heatsink behind and it would be in his budget. (he would be fine even overclocking a little with stock)

Not at all, games on max settings will run on much lower speced processors as you posted, especially the games he's playing :P

From: Sex
Yeah, looking at that shit, I'm gonna just repick all the parts and go the Intel route.

Yea I would, I prefer intel

From: gratz
Not at all, games on max settings will run on much lower speced processors as you posted, especially the games he's playing :P

1) He never mentioned anywhere what games he was playing.
2) Depending on the game he plays, having a good CPU can make a huge difference
3) I question whatever you suggest because you think Hyper Threading is wasted CPU die and just creates more heat.

From: Capricorn
1) He never mentioned anywhere what games he was playing.
2) Depending on the game he plays, having a good CPU can make a huge difference
3) I question whatever you suggest because you think Hyper Threading is wasted CPU die and just creates more heat.

Oh sorry, I was talking to him for a few hours last night


Hyper threading "is wasted cpu die" ? that makes no sense

A quad core CPU with hyperthreading is basically a quad core that produces more heat.. hyperthreading is great for 2core processors

From: gratz
A quad core CPU with hyperthreading is basically a quad core that produces more heat.. hyperthreading is great for 2core processors

No see, this is what doesn't make sense. Perhaps before you claim outlandish stuff you research what technologies do before you shit talk them.

Let us say you ARE running something that doesn't utilize the benefits of Hyper Threading, you can turn it off. But turning it off requires going into the BIOS and that's a lot of work for lazy people, especially if all you want to do is play a game. Anything that will use a lot threads WILL benefit from hyper threading. And if it doesn't you certainly don't lose performance.

You do realize HT isn't software based right? They actually have to add it onto the CPU.

From: Capricorn
No see, this is what doesn't make sense. Perhaps before you claim outlandish stuff you research what technologies do before you shit talk them.

Let us say you ARE running something that doesn't utilize the benefits of Hyper Threading, you can turn it off. But turning it off requires going into the BIOS and that's a lot of work for lazy people, especially if all you want to do is play a game. Anything that will use a lot threads WILL benefit from hyper threading. And if it doesn't you certainly don't lose performance.

You do realize HT isn't software based right? They actually have to add it onto the CPU.

What are you talking about? Everything you said is over obvious information I don't understand why you're saying it, lol
I am an engineer and currently do double full time in college you don't need to tell me basic things.. He won't need a CPU as insane as the one you posted is all I said, also.. you're screaming about how much you know in computers yet you have a gpu that isn't compatible?

I bought a new intel computer yesterday and its pretty good, i can run 20 bots with it :D

From: tom99
I bought a new intel computer yesterday and its pretty good, i can run 20 bots with it :D

Lol awesome, which processor does it have?

simba is so light weight, I really don't want to have like 50 bots on my IP address

intel i7 930, i used 6 duplicates of Cpu burner to get 100% cpu, witch is a program designed to alone get 100% cpu, and at the same time i had 5 bots in rs running with no lagg.

From: gratz
What are you talking about? Everything you said is over obvious information I don't understand why you're saying it, lol
I am an engineer and currently do double full time in college you don't need to tell me basic things.. He won't need a CPU as insane as the one you posted is all I said, also.. you're screaming about how much you know in computers yet you have a gpu that isn't compatible?

What are you bullshitting about? The gpu is compatible. The cpu isnt insane at all. Its a new release and isnt near the highest level that will be available.

I'm sure all the GPU needs is a PCI express 2.0 x16 slot..
Anyway, a little later I'll start looking for different parts. I might go one step lower than the processor you recommended though, Cap.

New one :p.

It cost a lot more but to me it looks good and the price is fine. My parents are gonna use the 12 months same as cash thing.
I'm sure this thing will run hot and maybe draw a lot of power, so if my PSU won't suffice, pick another one. If I need some extra fans or cooling or anything, tell me. I've never needed it because my systems never ran hot like that.
One thing, maybe choose a new motherboard?

You should really go for a corsair cpu at least 700 or 650 one. especially for that graphics card O_o i read alot of psu's burned out because they dont have 32 amps on thier rails.

And you shouldn't go with that brand man

Get this one. It has the best cooling and best technology put to it. I watched alot of reviews on this one. Its the best atm.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127518

How? If the one I have is DDR5 and 256-bit?

MSI has

# Triple Over Voltage Function The MSI N460GTX Hawk is the world’s first graphics card supporting voltage adjustment of GPU, Memory and PLL, using MSI exclusive Afterburner (V2.0.0) overclocking software. This function enhances overclocking potential of the graphic card in all dimensions.

# newegg Twin Frozr II Thermal Design Built with two 8cm fans, four heat-pipes with SuperPipe technology and a large-area nickel-plated copper base, the MSI-exclusive Twin Frozr II thermal design can efficiently dissipate heat produced from the GPU, as well as the memory and power module. When compared with the reference cooler, this thermal design effectively reduces the GPU temperature by 18? and noise level by 8.1dB for a cool and quiet computing environment.

# newegg 7+1 Phase PWM Design When compared with 4+1 PWM design on the reference card which supplies power only up to 90A in graphic cards at the same level, the 7+1 PWM design of the N460GTX Hawk supplies power up to 120A for the GPU to enhance GPU stability and performance in overclocking session.
# newegg Military Class Components In addition to all solid CAPs which enhance the overclocking and high loading performance of GPU, the N460GTX Hawk is equipped with the SFC (Super Ferrite Choke) to enhance power efficiency by 10% and output current by 30%. Also, the Hi-c CAP with a tantalum core can enhance GPU power supply to increase the graphic card's overall lifespan as well as the stability of GPU.

# newegg APS (Active Phase Switching) Technology APS helps save power usage by controlling PWM automatically according to the GPU's workload.

# newegg V-Check Points Apart from triple overvoltage function, V-Check Points allows you to measure voltage on the graphic card with just a multi-meter in order to capture various data in an overclocking session, thus making overclocking simpler.

This one is also DDR5 256-bit. The brand is more trust worthy and better.

From: gratz
What are you talking about? Everything you said is over obvious information I don't understand why you're saying it, lol
I am an engineer and currently do double full time in college you don't need to tell me basic things.. He won't need a CPU as insane as the one you posted is all I said, also.. you're screaming about how much you know in computers yet you have a gpu that isn't compatible?

Bro, you just said HT is a waste of space. Stop trying to change your story. I really question how you know I am yelling over text, would be quite interesting to see how your double full time college education allowed you to come to that conclusion. I think it is quite important that when someone advices someone on what to buy, they don't bring in bullshit into the conversation because they are spending THEIR MONEY that THEY WORKED FOR.

I don't even know why it even matters because the i5-2500k doesn't even HAVE HT.

From: noidea
What are you bullshitting about? The gpu is compatible. The cpu isnt insane at all. Its a new release and isnt near the highest level that will be available.

He's not bullshitting, he's a double full time college student!

From: Sex
New one :p.

It cost a lot more but to me it looks good and the price is fine. My parents are gonna use the 12 months same as cash thing.
I'm sure this thing will run hot and maybe draw a lot of power, so if my PSU won't suffice, pick another one. If I need some extra fans or cooling or anything, tell me. I've never needed it because my systems never ran hot like that.
One thing, maybe choose a new motherboard?

PSU is a little iffy imo. I'd still buy the i5-2500k over the i7-2600 and I don't think you want to spend the extra money to go up to a i7-2600k. Not sure I'm feeling the 470 either. When do you plan on purchasing this? Within a week?

Oh i just relized your getting the 470.

Want my 2 cents dont get it. Its already been benched mark and tested that the 460 can out beat the 470. lol its pretty much fail by nvidia and i heard they run ALOT hotter.

+ i just looked at your card

Minimum 550W or greater system power supply

Your getting a 600 watt supply. You should ALWAYS calculate how much power your computer is going to use, then add 100 watts to it to be on the safe side.

Because any slight power jump or if you do small overlocking is going to increase your wattage on the computer.

Im just saying

Edit:

ALSO

Best video card for ~$200: Two-Way Tie:

GIGABYTE Radeon HD 6850 1GB
GIGABYTE Radeon HD 6850 1GB

OR
MSI GTX 460
MSI GeForce GTX 460 1GB
Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850 1GB
V.S.
MSI Geforce GTX 460 1GB

After recommending only the Radeon HD 6850 last month, I’m changing my mind this month and I’m now recommending either cards.

Why?
First of all, the Radeon HD 6850 became more expensive ($200 vs $180), due to limited availability and great demand for it, making the 6850 less attractive.

Second of all, many overclocked GTX 460 1GB, which outperforms the stock Radeon HD 6850, started to appear on the market at a lower price than before, making the option of going with an overclocked Geforce GTX 460 1GB more attractive.

However, overclocked versions of the Radeon HD 6850 started appearing, closing the performance gap with the also overclocked GTX 460 1GB.

In the end, both cards offer excellent performance and with price variations, you can pick whichever is the least expensive when you’re on the market to buy a ~$200 card and be very happy with your purchase.
Regarding the cards that I recommend:

The two specific cards that I recommended (Gigabyte Radeon 6850, MSI GTX 460 1GB) offer the best bang for the buck for their respective series in my opinion, by offering the most performance and best cooling at a good price.

The GIGABYTE Radeon HD 6850 1GB is a factory overclocked Radeon HD 6850, with frequencies of 820MHz (Std. 775MHz) and 1050MHz (Std. 1000MHz), for the Core and Memory respectively.

Its dual-fan cooler ensures that the card remains cool, without being noisy either and gives you some thermal headroom if you decide to overclock the card even more.

The MSI GeForce GTX 460 1GB is a factory overclocked Geforce GTX 460 1GB, with frequencies of 780MHz (Std. 675MHz), 1560MHz (Std. 1350MHz) and 3600MHz (Std. 3600MHz) for the Core, Shader and Memory respectively.

Just like the Gigabyte 6850 above, this card features a dual-fan cooler ensures that the card remains cool, without being noisy either and gives you some thermal headroom if you decide to overclock the card even more.
Another great alternative

As you may or may not know, when new series of video cards are launched, the previous series gets heavily discounted, in order to liquidate the remaining stocks. This is often a great opportunity to grab a powerful previous-gen card at an outstanding price.

The XFX Radeon HD 5850 1GB is an excellent example, since you can now buy it for $220, or $170 after a $50(!) Mail-In Rebate.

Performance wise, the stock 5850 is undeniably faster than the stock 6850. With the Radeon 6850 and Geforce GTX 460 1GB overclocked, all three cards are about on par, but you can also overclock the Radeon 5850 and get even more performance out of it.

Power consumption wise, the Radeon 6850 is the lowest at load, followed by the Radeon 5850 (+~20W) and then the GTX 460 1GB (+~30W).

If you don’t mind the mail-in rebate, the XFX Radeon HD 5850 1GB is the card to get in my opinion. Even if you mind the rebate, it remains a great alternative at $220.

Any of those three cards will run the majority of games maxed out at 1920 x 1080, with less or more AA/AF, depending on the game.

From: Squancy
Oh i just relized your getting the 470.

Want my 2 cents dont get it. Its already been benched mark and tested that the 460 can out beat the 470. lol its pretty much fail by nvidia and i heard they run ALOT hotter.

+ i just looked at your card



Your getting a 600 watt supply. You should ALWAYS calculate how much power your computer is going to use, then add 100 watts to it to be on the safe side.

Because any slight power jump or if you do small overlocking is going to increase your wattage on the computer.

Im just saying

Edit:

ALSO

Well I don't even know what to think anymore, OP bumped his budget up to $920~ and if we go back to the build I suggested I bet he could replace the 6850 with a 6950 (can you still unlock them to a 6970?) otherwise a 570.

If anything he should get the 6850 just because it uses less power.

I suggest this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 as a power supply. Much over the Rosewill.

This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-341-041&ReviewNo=2176550&SortField=0&Pagesize=10&IsFeedbackTab=true&rdm=54#scrollHelpful1 as well.. its a step up from the other.

Do NOT get a crappy PSU, it will end up costing you money in the end. Capricorn showed me a good article on it.. forget it now though.

From: Nava2
I suggest this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 as a power supply. Much over the Rosewill.

This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-341-041&ReviewNo=2176550&SortField=0&Pagesize=10&IsFeedbackTab=true&rdm=54#scrollHelpful1 as well.. its a step up from the other.

Do NOT get a crappy PSU, it will end up costing you money in the end. Capricorn showed me a good article on it.. forget it now though.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3985/three-550w-psus-for-different-prices

When they review the cheapest one is when it really opens your eye.

What about this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

that is definitely your best choice ;)

From: Capricorn
Bro, you just said HT is a waste of space. Stop trying to change your story. I really question how you know I am yelling over text, would be quite interesting to see how your double full time college education allowed you to come to that conclusion. I think it is quite important that when someone advices someone on what to buy, they don't bring in bullshit into the conversation because they are spending THEIR MONEY that THEY WORKED FOR.

I don't even know why it even matters because the i5-2500k doesn't even HAVE HT.



He's not bullshitting, he's a double full time college student!



PSU is a little iffy imo. I'd still buy the i5-2500k over the i7-2600 and I don't think you want to spend the extra money to go up to a i7-2600k. Not sure I'm feeling the 470 either. When do you plan on purchasing this? Within a week?

And you're not bullshitting? Where do you get a waste of space from?

HT in a quad core isn't needed, especially for what sex is doing, in fact.. he could be running on a duo core that isn't HT and still have no problems with anything he uses it for

The only reason he'd be getting these things is to boost his epeen, I was told he had a budget so I was respecting it.


Also, in the past intel.. even non intel boards that are by gigabyte have had problems with radeon.

you should check out microcenter's cpu+mobo deals, they "sell" them to you for cheaper than the cpu alone. I thought it was bogus, but my friend made a build in about an hour there and its legit.

Always I will be an intel fan (FOR LIFE!) but in terms of cheapness, amd is~~an option

imo a 700w is only needed for very weak crossfire/sli

and i3/i5 is already good enough and if you then go for one of those chipsets then nvidia would be a better decision cause idk ive just had bad experiences in ati as in DOA cards (x3)

just reading random posts and responding to them, between 460 and 470 theres been benchmark tests both ways, tbh unless you plan on getting hwbot points you wont notice a difference.

for the ram, you can get gskill ripjaw 2x2 gb 1600 mhz 9-9-9-24 for 50$ or 2x4 gb for 100$ and the heatsinks look cooler =)

also in the build posted earlier

the sandybridge processor you picked is P67 and the motherboard is P55

so i would go with an i7 870/860 if you pick p55 chipset (also got my 870 for 80$ cheaper than newegg from microcenter)

some random unorganized thoughts and my 1c

From: gratz
And you're not bullshitting? Where do you get a waste of space from?

HT in a quad core isn't needed, especially for what sex is doing, in fact.. he could be running on a duo core that isn't HT and still have no problems with anything he uses it for

The only reason he'd be getting these things is to boost his epeen, I was told he had a budget so I was respecting it.


Also, in the past intel.. even non intel boards that are by gigabyte have had problems with radeon.

I didn't tell you what I use it for. I only told you 1 game I like :p. I play TF2, MW2, soon Black Ops, GTA IV, dad plays Crysis and some other shit. And some of those are kinda slower on here.

From: Sex
I didn't tell you what I use it for. I only told you 1 game I like :p. I play TF2, MW2, soon Black Ops, GTA IV, dad plays Crysis and some other shit. And some of those are kinda slower on here.

Should be able to run all of those without a problem with pretty much anything people have said in here ;)