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I want to know what people think about the Theory of evolution.

I personally think it is BS.

If evolution is an "ever changing process" why don't we see stages of evolution in the middle (ape - man)(otherwise known as caveman)(you don't see any cavemen around… unless its on them geico commercials XD.) ?

If you find big foot it might explain a bit but have you seen a monkey change into a man lately?

but that is my opinion I want to know yours.

(if you are going to bring up dinosaurs please show me a direct link in between dinosaurs and evolution.)

Charles Darwin, ftw.

Yeah, whatever he explained about it. I think it's very true, the natural selection theory (that every organism changes and adapts with their environment). Therefore the first bacterias evolved into bug looking sea creatures, to fish, to big fish, to big fish with flippers, to reptilian water creature. Then land animals. :] Many people probably don't agree, so I'll give an example.

White people go to africa. They get tan, so their skin (melanin?, a cell or pigment thing inside your skin) gets dark. Slowly over millions of years the white peoples kids would be born (near blackish). People think it's bs but over millions and billions of years things do change.

K first there is a mutation, and if it helps survival, it gets passed down. This leads to monkeys changing into cavemen. Without the random mutation and a situation where it helps, there won't be another species. This is why monkeys don't change into cavemen all the time. Monkeys are good at being monkeys, and humans are good at being humans (mostly*).


*except for appendix, pinky toe etc

ok…watch the discover channel sometime…if you watch some programs on it(donno if you can even get it but…) anyway you'll find that they are talking about things like some kind of water dinosaur turning into an ordinary crocodile. it IS true, just very s..l..o..w thats why we dont see monkeys turning into cave men.

Oh no not again.. Check out the already extensive topic on this is the debate section.

who gives a crap ..

From: SubiN
who gives a crap ..

Obviously not you. But a lot of people do, its very important to find out where we came from because it may help us find out where we are going ;)

ROFL, Dark Sniper, it is not like evelotion is as fast in the movie evelution or whatever. We are this far, over a time of what, 6 billino years or soemthing. Ya. Long time.

From: whales
Oh no not again.. Check out the already extensive topic on this is the debate section.

O god your right lol..

i think its very false…the evelutionary theory..thats right theory it has never been proven as a fact…anyway it states that the organism that changes the old one dies off…therefore there should only be 1 species alive at a time…first we came from "slime" then the slime changes into something etc….well we move up the cahin…and there shouldnt be anything liek reptiles or fish if evelution was true

From: Hobbit
i think its very false…the evelutionary theory..thats right theory it has never been proven as a fact…anyway it states that the organism that changes the old one dies off…therefore there should only be 1 species alive at a time…first we came from "slime" then the slime changes into something etc….well we move up the cahin…and there shouldnt be anything liek reptiles or fish if evelution was true

The evolution theory is how we eventually become immune to certain diseases. The reason there are still fish is : A fish has babies a few of those babies have mutation giving them legs.. These babies live fine but they also have legs to walk with. The original fish also has babies that are basically the same as the original they live fine and continue having fish that are the same.. Well now you have a new fish with legs it continues to live grow have babies.. It passes on the legs to those kids those kids may develop new mutations.. The original fish type is still there too and will continue to be until there is some biological factor to stop their reproduction cycle. Also these fish are not the same as they were 2k years ago they are changing but its sooooooooo slow its hard to contemplate. In the end what works is what stays what doesn't is gone!

I think its true… Or atleast seems more intelligent than that some guy just made up the planet and people and all..

It has to be true.. it all fits in.. or maybe im saying that beacuse im atheist:D

Crude representation. Some of the red dots may go extinct, and some are around today. That is why we have monkeys and humans, fish and reptiles, etc at the same time.

From: whales
The evolution theory is how we eventually become immune to certain diseases.

We don't get immune to certain diseases…We adapt to our invironment.

From: Ejjman1
We don't get immune to certain diseases…We adapt to our invironment.

And by adapting we create methods, anti bodies, that protect from disease.

ok you guys.. to conveince me now tell me why i have NOT seen any in between phases in monky and man…

also check are DNa it closly matches up with which animal.. hell not a monkey… its a whale…

now i can beleive my sister mutated from a whale but not humans..



also why have i not seen any in between phases in evolution….

also the guy who "discovered" the theroy of evolution… well just before he died he siad he rejected his own work and that it was all false.




adapting is a mutation basicly


a mutation is not evolution.

99.9% of mutations are for bad.. fatal.

now there other .1% is like people who are immune to the HIV virus.

( HIV attacks white blood cells… well most humans have white blood cells with 2 receptors on it. there are some people(but few) who have 1… the Aids virus can not kill the white blood cell without the second receptor.)

all other mutations cause downsyndrom, and diseases… If you want to get into this i am most likly going to beat you on the topic.

See pic above for why there are no phases in between around today.

It is even closer to chimps.

Brown eyes, green eyes, they are non fatal mutations.

Man, I don't know where to start. Instead of arguing your points just tell me something, if evolution doesn't exist then why are we all here? Surely you can't tell me that the idea of some omniscient being is anymore logical then evolution?

From: Boreas
See pic above for why there are no phases in between around today.

It is even closer to chimps.

Brown eyes, green eyes, they are non fatal mutations.

the things you discribed is called phenotype…
and they are genes.

They came from a mutation. Now they are carried, dominant and recessive.

you prove to me that they are a mutation and not how where were first created as individuals mkay :p.

My bio prof said so lol.

Now we are getting in the territory of me proving that god (who created us as individuals as you say) doesn't exist and you proving that he does. The thing is here that, if god came down and spoke to me, or I saw an angel, or a burning a bush, or some situation like that, I would take back everything I said and I would agree with you. However, there isn't a situation that would convince you and other religious people.

We can never really prove that something does not exist. But we can prove that something does exist. So the burden is on you, not me.

ok let me tell you a little story..this is about eignstien(of however its spelled…no he didnt believe in evolution)

ok there was a professer going on about evolution has to be true and that if god created everything then why is there evil in the world if he hates evil..etc etc

so a student stands up (eignstein) and says "god didn't create evil, evil is the absence of god." so then he asks the professer "how is darkness made? can it be created?"

professer: "no, darkness is the absence of light."

student: "exactly, you cant turn on some switch and create darkness can you? you have to turn OFF a switch and take away light to get it."

blah blah the story goes on…i cant remember the rest but anyway how i dont know what that has to do with the topic now that i think about it but anyway back on topic, did you know darwin actually denounced his theory? and that it has NEVER been proven in the scientific society as a fact? so your learning about something no one has actually every completely proven to be true…so i think the burden is on you

We know darkness exists because we know light exists, so we know what it's like when light is present, and therefore when it's not. You have to first know what it would be like if god did exist, to know what its like for him not to exist. Innocent until proven guilty. You have to prove that god does exist.

And as I said with before, believers in god will be more blind and stubborn in their beliefs than non believers, because there isn't a reverse of a talking burning bush.

Well, I'm not entirely sure of evolution. My beleif is that evolution does occur, but on a timescale so slow that it couldn't have possibly produced humans in a timespan that short. I mean, come on, 10 billion years (time for life to develop anywhere in known universe) isn't that long. How many genes are there on a DNA molecule, and how many nucletid bases does each one contain? It adds up, but then the key factor: probability. What is the probability that it will get mutated in the lifetime of the organism? Multiply the inverse of that by the number figured before, and you get something far far larger than the age of the universe. So, the timescale is just too big for evolution.

Even so, evolution is an unproven theory. There are still animals that can't be traced back to their ancestors via genetic inheritance. There are "missing links" in the chain of evolution. The theory is not watertight.

I have a theory that we were seeded on this planet by intelligent species living outside our universe. This happened by cross-breeding these species into the already existing chain of evolution (probably at the level of the first primitive vertebrae). Say what you want, that is where I stand. I mean, mammals are extremely strange creatures if you look at it from a different standpoint.

From: Dark_Sniper

also why have i not seen any in between phases in evolution….

From: Dark_Sniper

a mutation is not evolution.
99.9% of mutations are for bad.. fatal.
all other mutations cause downsyndrom, and diseases… If you want to get into this i am most likly going to beat you on the topic.

i am going to address those two issues one at a time
1. in this picture, we can see the change of a 4 toed leg into a one hoofed leg, it is the evolution of the horses hoof


2. mutation is only a factor in evolution
another factor is called natural selection, this is 'survival of the fittest'
consider this example of rabbits

these is a big warren of rabbits
occasionally a few get eaten by foxes
one day, there is a freak of nature of who really small ears, its a mutation
this rabbit dies young because he cannot hear foxes coming, he never passes on his small-ear gene
one day, there is another freak of nature, but this time, it causes huge ears,
this rabbit lives a long time because its always the first to run when it hears foxes coming, it has many children

the small-eared rabbit never passed on its gene and it died out, there are no small-eared rabbits
the large-eared rabbit passed it gene on a lot, all its children had large ears too

very soon, most of the warren had large ears, because they were more likely to live longer, all because of that useful mutation

one reason evolution is so slow, is that useful mutations like large ears only happen 0.1% of the time, so they are few and far between.
those are both the issues addressed.

_____________________________

How can you be rejecting Science? Science gave you plentiful food, Science gave you medicine, Science gave you the computer you're reading this on
without science, your quality of life would be well reduced.

Throughout time people have blamed difficult to understand things on gods, the sun was once the flaming chariot of Apollo, the earthquakes and tidle-waves were once the wrath of Poseidon.
The sun is a star and earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates.
Science has proved these gods to be false idols, we laugh at them now

Soon science will prove All god to be false idols.
Behold Science- the new God

sorry about getting a bit off-topic and i hope i havent offended anyone

You don't seem to understand the concept of science. Science proposes THEORIES not laws. There are so many disprooven theories in science it would take ages to list them all. Consider the fact that people once thought that life consisted out of four body fluids. This theory has long since been disprooved.

LAWS are something that is permanent. Mathematics are laws, because no matter how hard you try, 1 + 1 = 2 now and a trillion gazillion years from now.

Science survives because it is a set of theories that can be changed over time, NOT because it is a set of rigid rules. If the latter would be the case, we'd still be using "magic" rituals to try to cure people.

And right now, the most logic of theories is evolution. Science never aimed to disproove the existence of god; rather the opposite. Quantum physics actually tend to support the existence of a higher being, and I'm not ranting here, I read this on an article of a major news site (I think bbc.co.uk, can't find it anymore else I'd post a link).

From: Yakman
i am going to address those two issues one at a time
1. in this picture, we can see the change of a 4 toed leg into a one hoofed leg, it is the evolution of the horses hoof

Wow, I feel really…awkward saying this or pointint it out, but doesn't the last hooves kinda look like, well, um…a male "Shlong" ? hehe, meh bad. I agree wiht you too YakMan. :duh:

did anyone ever say i was in any beliefs?

plus thats not what this topics about .. please do not steer in that direction….

itll cause a war.. no need.

yah this topic is kinda getting a bid outta hand and way off of what it was ment

From: Dark_Sniper
did anyone ever say i was in any beliefs?

plus thats not what this topics about .. please do not steer in that direction….

itll cause a war.. no need.

You started it :p

From: Dark_Sniper

you prove to me that they are a mutation and not how where were first created as individuals mkay

how does that state that i was saying somthing about religion?

cause if we are all and the same you need to prove that to..

XD





I do think this topic needs to be closed now :p

i do not need to be the one who "started" a religion fight up in here.

i agree it should be closed

Hell no!

yes im sorry about the changing of topic,
i dont think it needs to be closed, just moved back onto evolution

the thing with evolution is that its a little complicated and some people are lead to the wrong direction with it.

do remember that peoples opinions probably wont be changed by this

Ya but i do not want to be the cause.

The poll can stay open.. but i wish comments to be closed :\

Just because we beleive in evolution does not mean were against god. so many of u ask "Does evolution prove there is no god?" - No. Many people, from evolutionary biologists to important religious figures like Pope John Paul II, contend that the time-tested theory of evolution does not refute the presence of God. They acknowledge that evolution is the description of a process that governs the development of life on Earth. Like other scientific theories, including Copernican theory, atomic theory, and the germ theory of disease, evolution deals only with objects, events, and processes in the material world. Science has nothing to say one way or the other about the existence of God or about people's spiritual beliefs.
-Syberium

From: WhiteShadow
Charles Darwin, ftw.

Yeah, whatever he explained about it. I think it's very true, the natural selection theory (that every organism changes and adapts with their environment). Therefore the first bacterias evolved into bug looking sea creatures, to fish, to big fish, to big fish with flippers, to reptilian water creature. Then land animals. :] Many people probably don't agree, so I'll give an example.

White people go to africa. They get tan, so their skin (melanin?, a cell or pigment thing inside your skin) gets dark. Slowly over millions of years the white peoples kids would be born (near blackish). People think it's bs but over millions and billions of years things do change.

um, yeah, small changes and shit like that, but big changes, like different species, like a monkey goes to africa and turns into a man? no?

Ever heard of missing link?

Just thought I would say something,
If evolution was the correct theory as people say then after millions of years wouldn't the moon have a lot more dust on it?

It has a lot of craters on it.

BTW, 90% of dust is from human skin and stuff falling off you.

:P.. If the humanity on earth is gonna end we will prob. and up on the moon. Or on another planet that has the good atmoshepe and stuff.. And as Boreas said above, the dust aint a problem;)

I think it meant it has to be true how would you explain humans then? appeared out of nowhere?:p

why is that not possible? you havent seen it happening, but it might have…(not saying it did, just saying it is possible)

Evolution is the thing.
My opinion is that god, everything related to that fat bastard is false.
if there were god, then he made saddam hussein, osama and all their friends.
He made nuclear weapons he made electric chair he made drugs he made farts he made people fall with bicycles he made bad tv shows he made jagex he made srl hey stop stop stop! "SRL"? someone has to teach god a bit about copyright.

So, god is fresh, warm, steaming pile of polarbear shit.

GOD YOU GUYS ARE SO RETARDED.

EACH OF OUR ORGANISMS ON EARTH LIVE ON DIFFERENT PLANETS. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WE ARE A UNIVERSAL TV SHOW THAT SOME ALIENS ARE FILMING WHERE THE TAKE DIFFERENT ORGANISMS AND PUT IT ON ONE PLANET AND SEE WHAT WE WILL DO. DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING AROUND HERE?!?! JEEZE!!;)

From: The_Rs_Monkey
GOD YOU GUYS ARE SO RETARDED.

EACH OF OUR ORGANISMS ON EARTH LIVE ON DIFFERENT PLANETS. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WE ARE A UNIVERSAL TV SHOW THAT SOME ALIENS ARE FILMING WHERE THE TAKE DIFFERENT ORGANISMS AND PUT IT ON ONE PLANET AND SEE WHAT WE WILL DO. DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING AROUND HERE?!?! JEEZE!!;)

ROFL wise words of The Rs Monkey :rolleyes:

From: n3ss3s
My opinion is that god, everything related to that fat bastard is false.
if there were god, then he made…

Nothing. We made. The bad, the bad the bad the bad. Kind of pessimist way of looking at things, eh?

From: n3ss3s
Evolution is the thing.

Right, God doesn't have to come in to play, science can disprove science. Many people died believing that the world was flat. Scientist have never kept an open mind about things because of fear that their beliefs could be false and new ideas create new problems.

"Advocates of intelligent design point to two developments that in their view undermine Darwinism. The first is the molecular revolution in biology. Beginning in the nineteen-fifties, molecular biologists revealed a staggering and unsuspected degree of complexity within the cells that make up all life. This complexity, I.D.’s defenders argue, lies beyond the abilities of Darwinism to explain. Second, they claim that new mathematical findings cast doubt on the power of natural selection. Selection may play a role in evolution, but it cannot accomplish what biologists suppose it can."
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/05/30/050530fa_fact

I don't know where you guys get the idea that science can't be disproved, it happens all the time.
Keep an open mind.

From: hugolord
ROFL wise words of The Rs Monkey :rolleyes:

It's from Southpark.

From: Vicious


It's from Southpark.

yea..

Who gives a ____.

From: syberium
Just because we beleive in evolution does not mean were against god. so many of u ask "Does evolution prove there is no god?" - No. Many people, from evolutionary biologists to important religious figures like Pope John Paul II, contend that the time-tested theory of evolution does not refute the presence of God. They acknowledge that evolution is the description of a process that governs the development of life on Earth. Like other scientific theories, including Copernican theory, atomic theory, and the germ theory of disease, evolution deals only with objects, events, and processes in the material world. Science has nothing to say one way or the other about the existence of God or about people's spiritual beliefs.
-Syberium

Wuh? What kind of a Pope is that. If he's the Pope then I assume he believes in what the Bible says and I don't see. "Then God created a hairy brown thing and called him "Monkey"" in the Bible.
Also does the evolution theory start with like a lil tiny thing bobbing around?
If so where did that thing come from? :D

Also how long ago did evolution start? Because isn't the Sun shrinking so at one stage it must have been a lot bigger. So if it happened a long long time ago wouldn't the Sun be too big/hot for life on Earth? or was it the perfect size at the start or was I wrong about the shrinking thingy?

You Can't disprove it….neither can you prove it….

but sometimes you can't so no to science……

they found spines and skulls and many other bones

From: rkroxpunk
Wuh? What kind of a Pope is that. If he's the Pope then I assume he believes in what the Bible says and I don't see. "Then God created a hairy brown thing and called him "Monkey"" in the Bible.
Also does the evolution theory start with like a lil tiny thing bobbing around?
If so where did that thing come from? :D

Also how long ago did evolution start? Because isn't the Sun shrinking so at one stage it must have been a lot bigger. So if it happened a long long time ago wouldn't the Sun be too big/hot for life on Earth? or was it the perfect size at the start or was I wrong about the shrinking thingy?

The sun actually gets bigger when im right

I'd do know why theoretically God couldn't "create" man through evolution. It'd still make us special, advanced, different, whatnot.

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, and the theory makes sense when you fully understand it. This is a lot like Galileo's theory stating that the earth rotated the sun, not the sun rotating the earth. The Church threatened to excommunicate him and few people at the time accepted the obvious truth, despite much factual evidence to prove it.

The fact is PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE CLOSE-MINDED about evolution because it disagrees with their religious views.

The more I've learned about evolution, the more I've learned how impossible it is for us to be here because of evolution (us, and all the different species of animals, bugs, fish, etc)

I might post more later…though these debates seem to go on and on with no outcome whatsoever, so I probably won't…

From: Boreas
We can never really prove that something does not exist. But we can prove that something does exist. So the burden is on you, not me.

Alright. I'd like to use the Bible as proof that God exists and is watching over us. Now, disprove me.

From: Smartzkid
The more I've learned about evolution, the more I've learned how impossible it is for us to be here because of evolution (us, and all the different species of animals, bugs, fish, etc)

I might post more later…though these debates seem to go on and on with no outcome whatsoever, so I probably won't…

You should post again. I'd like to see how well you debate :p

Evolution,big bang,theology, why choose, maybe a bit of a mix of all.either way, i'm here now.

From: WinterDream
The sun actually gets bigger when im right

o ya my bad, soz me and science don't mix at all :D
but well then couldn't that mean that it may have been to cold for this planet to be inhabited.

Also I don't want to turn this into a religion debate, but correct my if my facts are wrong but don't 80% of the world believe in a greater being? AKA God.
I'm well not so much a christian as I don't think I'm worthy of the title. I most definately don't live like I'm one but I'm 100% sure God exists. I have seen too many things that no science could ever achieve…..Also that church that tried to hush up Gallileo or wateva (lawl my history aint too good either :D) was the old Catholic Church I believe. The same church who voted for the Pope who supported the Nazi's/killing of Jews.
That church was very corrupt and unfortunately many people judge today's church on how we were years back.

evolution does exsist u must be pretty stupid 2 not belive in it. and dark sniper something tht bs is adam and eve crap! the bible (also known as the book of lies) goes against dinosaurs! apperently they were put there by the devil now thts a bad argument when i hear it.

From: tantalus33
evolution does exsist u must be pretty stupid 2 not belive in it. and dark sniper something tht bs is adam and eve crap! the bible (also known as the book of lies) goes against dinosaurs! apperently they were put there by the devil now thts a bad argument when i hear it.

Err can u try and explain that a bit better, u didn't explain that at all well. The Bible doesn't go against dinosaurs, it also goes by the name "the word of the lord" or "the truth" or something. Also "evolution does exsist u must be pretty stupid 2 not belive in it." congratulations u just called at least 80% of the world dumbasses :D……ok I can see how this is gonna end I better stop now :S

From: rkroxpunk
Err can u try and explain that a bit better, u didn't explain that at all well. The Bible doesn't go against dinosaurs, it also goes by the name "the word of the lord" or "the truth" or something. Also "evolution does exsist u must be pretty stupid 2 not belive in it." congratulations u just called at least 80% of the world dumbasses :D……ok I can see how this is gonna end I better stop now :S

Luckely i live in a country with 49% ateists instead of the US where parrents brainwash there kids with GOD bullshit.

From: rkroxpunk
Err can u try and explain that a bit better, u didn't explain that at all well. The Bible doesn't go against dinosaurs, it also goes by the name "the word of the lord" or "the truth" or something. Also "evolution does exsist u must be pretty stupid 2 not belive in it." congratulations u just called at least 80% of the world dumbasses :D……ok I can see how this is gonna end I better stop now :S

Several times when I was in school (in calc and physics classes), everyone in the class got the same answer, except me. So, they assumed their answer was right and mine was wrong. But I stuck by answer, because I thought it through myself, instead of going along with everyone else. Turned out I was correct and everyone else was wrong.

Don't let percentages fool you.

From: Boreas
Several times when I was in school (in calc and physics classes), everyone in the class got the same answer, except me. So, they assumed their answer was right and mine was wrong. But I stuck by answer, because I thought it through myself, instead of going along with everyone else. Turned out I was correct and everyone else was wrong.

Don't let percentages fool you.

mmmyes I didn't exactly say he was wrong even though I guess I believe that, but hey that's just wat i believe. Meh it's just annoying every time I get into a debate about christianity not once has a christian bagged and called other people's ideas "bullshit" yes they have tried to disprove them but with the utter most respect, only to be laughed at and utterly disrespected. Not saying that was u in anyway Boreas but well *cough*the last 2 posts before u *cough* i guess that's just ur guys opinions but maybe try to be a bit more respectful about it next time……and yes i'm sure many of you have seen "christians" do the same thing but well then they wouldn't really be christians. Anywayz I can see this turning into another religion thread that will surely be closed soon ah well :D

From: rkroxpunk
mmmyes I didn't exactly say he was wrong even though I guess I believe that, but hey that's just wat i believe. Meh it's just annoying every time I get into a debate about christianity not once has a christian bagged and called other people's ideas "bullshit" yes they have tried to disprove them but with the utter most respect, only to be laughed at and utterly disrespected. Not saying that was u in anyway Boreas but well *cough*the last 2 posts before u *cough* i guess that's just ur guys opinions but maybe try to be a bit more respectful about it next time……and yes i'm sure many of you have seen "christians" do the same thing but well then they wouldn't really be christians. Anywayz I can see this turning into another religion thread that will surely be closed soon ah well :D

You are right but everytime we talk about Evolution or War or whatever there are alwace people that come with stuff like… God said, The Bible says and stuff like that. It really annoys me. Why can't we just discussions / debates with the proof we have and not with the things we don't know that they exists or not(GOD).

And please don't reply with the Bible is proof because its not its just a book.

i can be wrong, but where do you get your information from? yes thats right, from other people, have you researched it yourself, are you sure its baised… no, and dont even bother trying the darwin stuff, its actually quite rubbish, he didnt based his findings on the nature, but on what was happening in britain at the time, only the best survived(economically) that is where he got his evolution theory from, not from looking at birds as some might believe and uhm… for the evolution theory to be proven we dont have enough documented proof, we are going to need a lot longer to really prove it is true and what is the difference between saying person x says and god/bible says, i dont see any difference ow and im not sure about your background, but your probably way more christian then you think

From: iloveit8
i can be wrong, but where do you get your information from? yes thats right, from other people, have you researched it yourself, are you sure its baised… no, and dont even bother trying the darwin stuff, its actually quite rubbish, he didnt based his findings on the nature, but on what was happening in britain at the time, only the best survived(economically) that is where he got his evolution theory from, not from looking at birds as some might believe and uhm… for the evolution theory to be proven we dont have enough documented proof, we are going to need a lot longer to really prove it is true and what is the difference between saying person x says and god/bible says, i dont see any difference ow and im not sure about your background, but your probably way more christian then you think

I'm born as christian but my parents gave me the freedom to learn about other stuff. they never forced me to go to the church or anything like that.

I'm Atheist now.

Think about this:
maby santa created the earth. (You can't prove he did or didnt) But we still know he didnt
Or maby i did? (You can't prove i did or didnt) But we still know he didnt
Saying that GOD made everything is the same as what i posted above. (You can't prove he did or didnt)

GOD is just a explanation of things we don't know. just look at the old Egypts they believed in a Sun God not knowing what the Sun was. 1000's of years later we found out that the sun is a star. the same will happen with the GOD most people believe in at this moment.

From: WinterDream
Luckely i live in a country with 49% ateists instead of the US where parrents brainwash there kids with GOD bullshit.

Recent studies showed that countries with a higher population of Atheist had more problems overall. Nice to see you don't live in the US and yet you think you know how things are over here.


I think this ignorant yet popular view on anyone who believes in a higher power to be a complete cretin, is a tad bit naive and disrespectful. In the same sense, most people complaining about how the "god fearing folk" are brainwashing and shoving their beliefs down people's throats are hypocrites, seeing as they are doing the exact same thing.

"NO! MY BELIEFS ARE RIGHT!"

From: Vicious
Recent studies showed that countries with a higher population of Atheist had more problems overall. Nice to see you don't live in the US and yet you think you know how things are over here.

WOW you are so fucking stupid every test shows that country with alot of Ateist in it have lower crime then countrys with alot of Believers

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/134674.htm\
http://www.chrisvschris.com/religion-is-bad-for-society

And you call me ignorant? rofl…

most ateists are in western societys, and what are there laws based on, yes christianity, im sorry to say, but the entire western society is in fact christian, they might not believe in a god, but they do have the morals thought in the bible
btw just to clarify, i dont believe in any god/higher being

From: WinterDream

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/134674.htm\
http://www.chrisvschris.com/religion-is-bad-for-society

Japan (the most atheistic nation in the G-8) has the lowest murder rate

Yeah, but it has a very high suicide rate. They actually place mirrors near train platforms.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4071805.stm

Louisiana, with America's highest church attendance rate, has twice the national average murder rate.

They also are into other religions that don't follow the normal bunch. Such as voodoo, witchcraft, talking to the dead, you name it. Chances are a murderer doesn't really attend church I'd take it. He's got other things on his mind, like hiding the bodies and the murder weapon.
Who's to say the number wouldn't be higher without all the churches?

Look, religion creates control and fear but also peace and love. That's not necessarily a bad thing to have in a governed nation of any group.
You show me some families praying and gathering and I'll show you some people that aren't causing any problems!

From: WinterDream
And you call me ignorant? rofl…

I'm just saying you have no right in attacking other people's beliefs.

Ha! lol I said this would end up like this but anyway i'll continue. Winter first off please be a little more respectful to other peoples beliefs. Stop trying to Tell me something is right, because well i'm Telling you now that's just wrong. People can believe whatever they want and should never be told that how they see things is stupid - when it comes to beliefs anyway.

Also you keep mentioning that God is just a theory and how silly it is, like Santa clause making the world and that there's no proof but last time I checked Evolution was just a theory with as many things disproving it as proving it.
The whole world will never have one belief no matter how much proof you throw at them, you need to accept that. And yes iloveit8 did just own u with the whole western world thing being based on christian morals.

Don't get me wrong I have full respect for what you believe but please try and have a bit of respect for what I believe to

Evolution happens. There is just far too much scientific evidence to deny it unless you are ignorant of it. Sure, there are gaps that many people can't see the connection. But that's still just fine because either humans havn't found the links yet, or…

I believe that evolution is a major part of how God created the earth. It makes since if you have enough knowledge on these two subjects. And it does a pretty good job of explaining gaps and the like.

From: Vicious
I'm just saying you have no right in attacking other people's beliefs.

Well im fine with the part that people believe in a higher being (GOD). But please stop using it in a discussion… Can we just keep it with Scientific proof?

From: WinterDream
Well im fine with the part that people believe in a higher being (GOD). But please stop using it in a discussion… Can we just keep it with Scientific proof?

Why should we cut out part of the facts? Just because you don't like them?

That makes absolutely no sense at all, mate.

I believe in God, I believe the Bible is Truth, and I'm not going just going to throw my beliefs out the window because you asked.

This is a discussion of whether or not Evolution is real. There were no rules set up (not to my knowledge) to determine what we can include in the discussion.

So… No, I will not keep this to scientific proof.

Oh, and God made science. How can you use what He made to try and prove that He's not real?

My opinion is that i don't have one. I like the idea of a god, mainly because i know i will die and if there is a god, i know i will go to heaven, but i hate to be wrong because if i die, i'd have wasted a large chunk of my life to religion.

Now, i believe that the darwism theory to be correct, but i hope its not for the same reasons as religion (what if im wrong? Ill go to hell).

So whats the answer? Everyone become buddists and get high on opium.

From: Distort
So whats the answer? Everyone become buddists and get high on opium.

Haha (h)

Evolution happends over millions/billions of years, plus, Evolution is enevitable, we are constantly passing around our genes, these genes are bound to change or transform over time.

From: Darklordant
Evolution happends over millions/billions of years, plus, Evolution is enevitable, we are constantly passing around our genes, these genes are bound to change or transform over time.

[religous nut]
Proove it? I have a bible which is older than your book, therefore it is right, the bible was made WHEN it happened
[/religous nut]

From: Distort
[religous nut]
Proove it? I have a bible which is older than your book, therefore it is right, the bible was made WHEN it happened
[/religous nut]

I thought you just said you believed in Darwinism :rolleyes:

From: Jason2gs
I thought you just said you believed in Darwinism :rolleyes:

I said i'd like to. I also said i'd like to believe in god, but im afraid of both, so the best possible method was to not care and get stoned.

anything encased in []'s means its a joke reffering to something else.

sigh… ok.. i just read 5 pages of this .. and here is what i say to you that read the bible… here is a short story of a debate me and one of my christian friends had…. ok the bible.. it is the word of god ..correct? yes.. lets take another book into example.. just for example, one of the harry potter books.. well you know what.. i dont like magic thats used.. i think it should be this way, so i change it, now harry potter uses magic the way i think magic is supposed to be. someone reads my version of harry potter… they dont like the outcome of the book…. so they change it.. so now its a different outcome..etc etc… now who is to say that NO ONE has ever read the bible and said… i dont like this part and so they changed it.. and i told my friend this and he then said,"well the book is gods holy word and he wouldnt let them change it" what is he going to do? stop them…smite them? strike them with a bolt of lightning? but if he did that then he wouldnt be the god that everyone says he is…. he wouldn't be the merciful forgiving god..he would in fact turn out to be a cruel dick.. and god cant be a cruel dick or no one would want to worship him..so my point is.. the bible is text.. ANYONE who reads it can change it to make it sound better… and im prolly going to get yelled at / flammed.. but idgaF i believe in the theory of evolution.

From: wired16
sigh… ok.. i just read 5 pages of this .. and here is what i say to you that read the bible… here is a short story of a debate me and one of my christian friends had…. ok the bible.. it is the word of god ..correct? yes.. lets take another book into example.. just for example, one of the harry potter books.. well you know what.. i dont like magic thats used.. i think it should be this way, so i change it, now harry potter uses magic the way i think magic is supposed to be. someone reads my version of harry potter… they dont like the outcome of the book…. so they change it.. so now its a different outcome..etc etc… now who is to say that NO ONE has ever read the bible and said… i dont like this part and so they changed it.. and i told my friend this and he then said,"well the book is gods holy word and he wouldnt let them change it" what is he going to do? stop them…smite them? strike them with a bolt of lightning? but if he did that then he wouldnt be the god that everyone says he is…. he wouldn't be the merciful forgiving god..he would in fact turn out to be a cruel dick.. and god cant be a cruel dick or no one would want to worship him..so my point is.. the bible is text.. ANYONE who reads it can change it to make it sound better… and im prolly going to get yelled at / flammed.. but idgaF i believe in the theory of evolution.

Lol well the truth of the matter is many "christian" religions have done that to the Bible. Many of them say "I had a vision about this and God told me to do it" but unless ur a complete moron who really hasn't actually read the bible or understand the whole "christian" beliefs thingy your obviously not going to believe them as it is clearly stated that the Bible shall never be changed and what it says is the only truth. Now I know ur thinking well that stuff could have been changed long ago and we wouldn't know, except most of the stories in the Bible are just stories, examples or parables and the ones that are true believe it or not actually have evidence.

E.g. Scientists have found evidence for nearly every single one of the 12(?) plagues. There are many other things that stack up with it as well.

I respect what you believe and in no way am I trying to force u to follow what I believe :D

yes ty rk.. thats what i ment. :D i just got up and its very early and i didnt get much sleep so sorry if you guys couldnt read it like i meant it to be read :D

From: Jason2gs
Alright. I'd like to use the Bible as proof that God exists and is watching over us. Now, disprove me.

Well you cant really use the bible as proof because i could use the beauty and the beast as proof that there is a talking tea pot, and u cant prove that im rong

From: dialeyj2

From: Jason2gs
Alright. I'd like to use the Bible as proof that God exists and is watching over us. Now, disprove me.

Well you cant really use the bible as proof because i could use the beauty and the beast as proof that there is a talking tea pot, and u cant prove that im rong

We could call you a nut, but can't proove you wrong.

From: Distort

From: dialeyj2


We could call you a nut, but can't proove you wrong.

well u wonder why we can't prove evolution wrong >.< maybe it works both ways but no everyone seems to think, "oh you can't prove evolution wrong, we have an answer to everything, we must be right" but when you can't prove christianity wrong it's just "oh yeah well u can do that with anything, we'll never be able to prove it, ur just wrong" >.<

here is a short story of a debate me and one of my christian friends had…. ok the bible.. it is the word of god ..correct? yes.. lets take another book into example.. just for example, one of the harry potter books.. well you know what.. i dont like magic thats used.. i think it should be this way, so i change it, now harry potter uses magic the way i think magic is supposed to be. someone reads my version of harry potter… they dont like the outcome of the book…. so they change it.. so now its a different outcome..etc etc… now who is to say that NO ONE has ever read the bible and said… i dont like this part and so they changed it.. and i told my friend this and he then said,"well the book is gods holy word and he wouldnt let them change it" what is he going to do? stop them…smite them?

Then how come all the different versions of the Bible (different as in translated by different groups) have basically the same meaning?

From: Ramage
Then how come all the different versions of the Bible (different as in translated by different groups) have basically the same meaning?

Every religous text i've read from which the religion isnt a hate religion (IE satanism, but there are some values of what im about to type) basically have the same meaning. Love thy neighbour, don't kill, don't do to other like you would want them to do to you (yeh, sounds christian but its easier to type) and tolerance for others.

They say not to kill, else you'll go to their form of hell.
They say not to mistreat people because they are of a different race/relgion (love thy neighbour, it can be down your street, your town, the country next to you, the continent next to you, the communists across the world). YOu must embrace their views but keep your own.

So yeh, most of it is just about being moral and just, about being kind and tolerating.

Nothing about which we have today. We have christians saying that god is killing soldiers because the country accepts gays into its cultore. We have islams killing everyone because they believe that if they do, they will go to paradise (when infact if they were to read their book, it would say "kill others and you go to hell" and "commit suicide and you go to hell") because they have been trained by hate preachers to do so (who use the same book to justify them).

Religion, if followed as it were originally intended (to keep the general populace happy and kind and forgiving and tolerating) would be great. But no, people don't read their text and end up fighting others who also don't read their text in a battle of whos got the best imaginary freind.

This what happens when kids take Biology, they think they know everything and believe they can argue and validate their point with Freshman level Bio Terms.

And its also quite amusing that 28% have said evolution is BS and yet I haven't seen a lot of convincing arugements.

Evolution is true. Why? Because there is evidence of it from old fossilized bones. When you take the cranium for example, of a human. You can see that the Cranium has consiederably changed over time. What happened? Evolution.

The jaw protrusion, the angle of face slant, the saggital crest and the brow bone are have all changed and some of those listed have completely disappeared. The number of teeth we have has changed and more importantly the types of teeth too. As humans became civilized rather than nomadic barbarians their lifestyle and food habits changed, hence the introduction of new foods such as plants and grains. This led to the variety of teeth we have now such as Molars, incisors etc.

Now, onto How it happens.

A theorist called Lamarck(sp) came up with the theory that changes that occur in the parent are carried onto the offspring. Meaning say if my father worked out and had a six pack, when I was born I would too be born with a sixpack. This ofcourse is not true and ofcourse evolution did not occur this way. Spontaneous birth change is not possible. What happens is that changes are gradual over time. The body knows what it needs to do and what type of body setting is best. Genes are adapted accordingly and if the human race is placed side by side for each year the change is apparent. These days humans are less compelled to work hard labor. These days we have comfy office spaces with leather chairs. The result? Humans will sometime later in the future will not have pronounced musculature.

The latter point is a theory and is not yet proven, everything else I said is.

I can delve deeper into it but I want to see if anyone can even argue what I said already.

From: VG_Kobra
This what happens when kids take Biology, they think they know everything and believe they can argue and validate their point with Freshman level Bio Terms.

And its also quite amusing that 28% have said evolution is BS and yet I haven't seen a lot of convincing arugements.

Evolution is true. Why? Because there is evidence of it from old fossilized bones. When you take the cranium for example, of a human. You can see that the Cranium has consiederably changed over time. What happened? Evolution.

The jaw protrusion, the angle of face slant, the saggital crest and the brow bone are have all changed and some of those listed have completely disappeared. The number of teeth we have has changed and more importantly the types of teeth too. As humans became civilized rather than nomadic barbarians their lifestyle and food habits changed, hence the introduction of new foods such as plants and grains. This led to the variety of teeth we have now such as Molars, incisors etc.

Now, onto How it happens.

A theorist called Lamarck(sp) came up with the theory that changes that occur in the parent are carried onto the offspring. Meaning say if my father worked out and had a six pack, when I was born I would too be born with a sixpack. This ofcourse is not true and ofcourse evolution did not occur this way. Spontaneous birth change is not possible. What happens is that changes are gradual over time. The body knows what it needs to do and what type of body setting is best. Genes are adapted accordingly and if the human race is placed side by side for each year the change is apparent. These days humans are less compelled to work hard labor. These days we have comfy office spaces with leather chairs. The result? Humans will sometime later in the future will not have pronounced musculature.

The latter point is a theory and is not yet proven, everything else I said is.

I can delve deeper into it but I want to see if anyone can even argue what I said already.

Or the babies who were born with genes not suitated to the climate died before reproducing, thus removing their contribution to the gene pool

From: Distort
Or the babies who were born with genes not suitated to the climate died before reproducing, thus removing their contribution to the gene pool

More on that note, I felt I did not explain this clearly.

The Genes inside a person mutate, change, a tweak here and there. And the baby is born. Then through Natural Selection, whichever one happened to have gotten the change that was best for the environment survived.

Example:

Humans are living in a lava covered land.

A gene inside Person A tweaks so that its offspring will be able to tolerate lava.

And

A gene inside Person B tweaks so that its offspring is more fit for cool weather.

When both offspring for Person A and B are born Person A's offspring will most likely survive since it is most suited for the climate while Person B's offspring dies off. This is how Evolution works, the human with the best genes survive while the weakest die, then the surviving one reproduces therefore spreading his superior genes. This is an endless* cycle that goes on in nature.

* Endless Cycle - Derived from observations in History, theoretically its not possible to confirm the future, but its most likely evolution will not stop.

I don't understand why both evolution and a superior bean can't co-exist? Evolution is factual, but I do still believe in a superior bean.

P.S. I am part of the 'western civilization,' and I was never baptized, or went to church in my life. I have a very open mind on these types of things, but some of the stuff people are saying on both sides of the argument are ridiculously out of the question..

From: Cheesehunk
I don't understand why both evolution and a superior bean can't co-exist? Evolution is factual, but I do still believe in a superior bean.

P.S. I am part of the 'western civilization,' and I was never baptized, or went to church in my life. I have a very open mind on these types of things, but some of the stuff people are saying on both sides of the argument are ridiculously out of the question..

A superior bean and evolution can co-exist periodically, that is until there is another bean born that is superior to the current bean. Then evolution will do its thing and eliminate the previous superbean.

From: VG_Kobra
A superior bean and evolution can co-exist periodically, that is until there is another bean born that is superior to the current bean. Then evolution will do its thing and eliminate the previous superbean.

i dislike bean's, mainly because of the sauce

However, if there is a god or a supernatural force, i feel like they should have revieled them selves by now other than to people who we can only read about who are long gone dead and buried.

From: Distort
i dislike bean's, mainly because of the sauce

However, if there is a god or a supernatural force, i feel like they should have revieled them selves by now other than to people who we can only read about who are long gone dead and buried.

Hmmm… exactly what are you basing that off of?


Also just a reminder to everyone here, NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN PROVEN, EVER ABOUT ANYTHING.

So yea basically, no human can do anything more than have opinions about facts of the universe, honestly no one really knows so there's no need to fight over things when it's leading no where and it's just struggling view points, rather than SOLVING problems instead of creating new ones….

fucking Leave Religion Out Of This If You Have To Pull It Into This Discussion Your Just Trying To Disprove Something Off The Main Topic!


I Did Not Say Hey This Discussion Is About Evolution And God!

Why The Fuck Are You Trying To Drag God Into This.

Is It Because You Have Nothing Else To Argue With!?!

And All Im Seeing Is… Wel Evolution Has To Exist Because God Not Real… I Mean Wtf Kind Of Answer Is That… Its Like Me Saying It Doesent Exist Cause God Is Real? Like Where The Fuck Is This Going?

I Did Not Say It In That Way But You Fucking Retards Cannot Come Up With Anything Logical So You Drag Religion Into It?

I Mean How Much Of A Dumbass Can You Be!


Give Me Proof That Evolution Does Exist Or Does Not Exist.

I Mean "because God Is Not Real" Make Perfect Sense Right?
It Just Cause You Cannot Prove evolution Right?

Wtf Is Wrong With People I Mean Your All So Ignorant!





Stop With The Religion Shit!

Omg.

If your going to pick sides get the fuck out of here.





edit:


ok my turn to flame the dumbasses in this thread:

"evolution does exsist u must be pretty stupid 2 not belive in it. and dark sniper something tht bs is adam and eve crap! the bible (also known as the book of lies) goes against dinosaurs! apperently they were put there by the devil now thts a bad argument when i hear it."

WHEN THE FUCK DID I BRING THE BIBLE INTO THIS!
when did i bring adam and eve into this?
wtf are you sucking my dick?


''Luckely i live in a country with 49% ateists instead of the US where parrents brainwash there kids with GOD bullshit.''

ya wtf lets reverse this..

Luckely i live in a country with many Christians, instead of the where ever the fuck you live where parrents brainwash there kids with ateists BULLSHIT.

wow works both ways dont its you little cock sucker…






who else is being so fucking dumb i cant help myself but make fun of them?

Dark_Sniper, this thread got derailed and the topic changed to religion AND evolution. The only one that has a problem with this "big" change, is you. I'm guessing you think that because you created the thread you have absolute power over what goes on in it. You don't. Deal with it.

Furthermore, some people have beliefs which lean toward creationism. They have every right to bring their beliefs into this as it's an argument against evolution. You don't have any right to dictate.

I will say that yeah, there are a lot of people using one line "God is BS, Science can't be disproved" without backing up their claims.

From: Dark_Sniper

ok my turn to flame the dumbasses in this thread:
who else is being so fucking dumb i cant help myself but make fun of them?

:rolleyes: Internet tough guy.

From: Distort

From: dialeyj2


We could call you a nut, but can't proove you wrong.

exactly:f: :sasmokin:

Dark_Sniper, this thread got derailed and the topic changed to religion AND evolution. The only one that has a problem with this "big" change, is you. I'm guessing you think that because you created the thread you have absolute power over what goes on in it. You don't. Deal with it.

I do have power over this thread and you are going off topic that i set.

if you want to discuss religion make a new thread.



and the reason im flipping out is because people like you are being ignorant.

flaming me because my intelligence out weighs your own and the fact I made the thread. If you support evolution come at me with some scientific stands.(like boreas did) not go and say something like :
"hey dark_sniper… your a dumbass and because i think that you have to be wrong and im always right no matter wtf i suck on"

all your doing is attacking me and all i did was make the topic.(which no one should go off of).

A good reason i said no religion is because this thread will be deled… and it will be because of dumbasses like you who cant even pay attention and stay on topic.

all you guys are trying to do is drag religion into this topic because you have no other source to base if evolution is true or not.

Furthermore, some people have beliefs which lean toward creationism. They have every right to bring their beliefs into this as it's an argument against evolution. You don't have any right to dictate.

Thats their personal lives and they should be smarter with who they share it with.
your right when you say i do not have the right to dictate, but
this is s'pose to be scientific and you cannot base everything around religion.

I will say that yeah, there are a lot of people using one line "God is BS, Science can't be disproved" without backing up their claims.

thats what im trying to get across… also works the other way: "Science is BS, God can't be disproved"

its going both ways.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Sniper View Post
ok my turn to flame the dumbasses in this thread:
who else is being so fucking dumb i cant help myself but make fun of them?

Internet tough guy.

and yes im an internet badass because im in a different country than most of you and your still sucking my dick.

lol

From: Dark_Sniper
fucking Leave Religion Out Of This If You Have To Pull It Into This Discussion Your Just Trying To Disprove Something Off The Main Topic!


I Did Not Say Hey This Discussion Is About Evolution And God!

Why The Fuck Are You Trying To Drag God Into This.

Is It Because You Have Nothing Else To Argue With!?!

And All Im Seeing Is… Wel Evolution Has To Exist Because God Not Real… I Mean Wtf Kind Of Answer Is That… Its Like Me Saying It Doesent Exist Cause God Is Real? Like Where The Fuck Is This Going?

I Did Not Say It In That Way But You Fucking Retards Cannot Come Up With Anything Logical So You Drag Religion Into It?

I Mean How Much Of A Dumbass Can You Be!


Give Me Proof That Evolution Does Exist Or Does Not Exist.

I Mean "because God Is Not Real" Make Perfect Sense Right?
It Just Cause You Cannot Prove evolution Right?

Wtf Is Wrong With People I Mean Your All So Ignorant!





Stop With The Religion Shit!

Omg.

If your going to pick sides get the fuck out of here.





edit:


ok my turn to flame the dumbasses in this thread:

"evolution does exsist u must be pretty stupid 2 not belive in it. and dark sniper something tht bs is adam and eve crap! the bible (also known as the book of lies) goes against dinosaurs! apperently they were put there by the devil now thts a bad argument when i hear it."

WHEN THE FUCK DID I BRING THE BIBLE INTO THIS!
when did i bring adam and eve into this?
wtf are you sucking my dick?


''Luckely i live in a country with 49% ateists instead of the US where parrents brainwash there kids with GOD bullshit.''

ya wtf lets reverse this..

Luckely i live in a country with many Christians, instead of the where ever the fuck you live where parrents brainwash there kids with ateists BULLSHIT.

wow works both ways dont its you little cock sucker…






who else is being so fucking dumb i cant help myself but make fun of them?

It's amazing how seriously people don't take what you have to say when write/speak in that manner.

There is no reason to use vulgar language every 2 seconds, that isn't going to prove your point so just out-grow the language, it doesn't make you look 'cool' or 'powerful' or anything else besides another flame driven from immediate-uncontrolled-anger…

well you did create a thread on a topic on evolution which is a creation theory, so of course people are going to bring in religion it's another way of disproving it/proving it. You didn't say do it scientifically, and was all that cussing really necessary?

Either way i'll stay out of it if u don't want it to have anything to do with religion. -.-

EDIT: [offtopic] omg i'm KBD lol [/offtopic]

From: Dark_Sniper
I do have power over this thread and you are going off topic that i set.

if you want to discuss religion make a new thread.

You don't have any control on this topic than you do the people who post in it, you control freak.

From: Dark_Sniper
your right when you say i do not have the right to dictate,

Contradiction much?

From: Dark_Sniper
and the reason im flipping out is because people like you are being ignorant.

You're flipping out because you want to.

From: Dark_Sniper
flaming me because my intelligence out weighs your own and the fact I made the thread. If you support evolution come at me with some scientific stands.(like boreas did) not go and say something like :
"hey dark_sniper… your a dumbass and because i think that you have to be wrong and im always right no matter wtf i suck on"

all your doing is attacking me and all i did was make the topic.(which no one should go off of).

Cute, you don't read your own thread. Go read my other posts, up until you started banging on your highchair because some people's beliefs can actually come into this. Mainly, because they strongly believe in them.

From: Dark_Sniper
A good reason i said no religion is because this thread will be deled… and it will be because of dumbasses like you who cant even pay attention and stay on topic.

It was on topic, until you came a ranting.

From: Dark_Sniper
thats what im trying to get across… also works the other way: "Science is BS, God can't be disproved"
its going both ways.

Not the point, I said people should use science or religion as long as they had more to add to it.

From: Dark_Sniper
and yes im an internet badass

:rolleyes:

This thread is indeed derailing a bit. This is a very delicate subject and it can be very easily be misinterpretated. So its locked.