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From: kingarabian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yELo7T9NAD8&feature=player_embedded#!

On behalf of everyone here at Jagex we want to express our sincerest thanks for your votes, feedback and for playing such an important role in deciding the future of your game. We have been overwhelmed by the number of you who took part and are extremely grateful to all those who took it upon themselves to campaign so passionately both for and against the proposed update.

While the percentage of votes speak for themselves, it's important that we seriously consider all of your feedback and comments. So we'll be sitting down this weekend to carefully consider the next steps and will make an official announcement on Monday 17th January.

The moment of truth awaits!

From: kingarabian
They need Andrews confirmation. This is soo stupid. So they make 2 polls and have people vote so much times and they still need his confirmation.

From: kingarabian

zybez

good night peepz

Fuck them seriously. We've been waiting 3 god damn weeks and now "uhhh we gotta think about it noww". What the hell.

Nice! I wonder what their solution will be. I'm sure there's coming a change, although I'm not sure in what form.

They need Andrews confirmation. This is soo stupid. So they make 2 polls and have people vote so much times and they still need his confirmation.

From: kingarabian
Fuck them seriously. We've been waiting 3 god damn weeks and now "uhhh we gotta think about it noww". What the hell.

I agree! Oh you Jag3x your tricky.. trickyy

From: kingarabian
Fuck them seriously. We've been waiting 3 god damn weeks and now "uhhh we gotta think about it noww". What the hell.

3 weeks? It's been 3 years since it was implemented initially! I'm sure a weekend of suspense won't hurt. They're hardly going to turn around and just say "Oh, we've changed our minds", that would destroy their company.

You're not going to see any reversals of the old trade system/wilderness for a while.

From: Richard
3 weeks? It's been 3 years since it was implemented initially! I'm sure a weekend of suspense won't hurt. They're hardly going to turn around and just say "Oh, we've changed our minds", that would destroy their company.

You're not going to see any reversals of the old trade system/wilderness for a while.

agreed, I could wait even a few months for it to come back considering I have had to deal without for 3 years :(. Richard you are a wise man :) just saying!!!

From: Richard
3 weeks? It's been 3 years since it was implemented initially! I'm sure a weekend of suspense won't hurt. They're hardly going to turn around and just say "Oh, we've changed our minds", that would destroy their company.

You're not going to see any reversals of the old trade system/wilderness for a while.

For 3 years I've been waiting for this moment and now they want me to wait more…

From: kingarabian
For 3 years I've been waiting for this moment and now they want me to wait more…

Build an army While you wait to make you some money. It'll be a productive thing to do.

~BraK

Bullshit.

IT clearly says I VOTED FOR:

- Unrestricted Free Trade between players
- Unlimited staking in the Duel Arena
- The Grand Exchange would remain, but with the lower and upper price limits removed
- Party Room drop restrictions removed
- Item Lending still available
- Assist System still available
- LootShare and CoinShare still available


- The Wilderness becomes a rather dangerous area again and players can kill each other for their items
- PVP, Bounty and Bounty +1 Worlds removed (game mechanics may be re-used in the future)
- New objects that affect combat will be analysed on an individual basis
- Gravestones will still be used outside of the Wilderness
- Various PVP items and gear will still be available and won’t become 'rares'
- Revenants patrolling the Wilderness will be relocated
- Content located in the Wilderness will be reviewed as follows:
- Quests (e.g. Spirit of Summer) and Activities (e.g. Clan Wars) will be relocated
- Other content (e.g. Treasure Trails, the Beacon Network and D&Ds) will be looked at on a case-by-case basis

I better see all that shit on Tuesdays Update.

They better have a print out of that handed to Andrew

You do realise if they allow this we will be swarmed with bots and getting resources will be much harder

From: cycrosism
You do realise if they allow this we will be swarmed with bots and getting resources will be much harder

I'm also sure Jagex won't be as lenient on botters anymore, since they can trade back to their masters again, prepare for entire armies being banned I'd imagine

From: cycrosism
You do realise if they allow this we will be swarmed with bots and getting resources will be much harder

^ Huh? Jagex is also going to implement their so called state of the art bot detecting system, so i don't think bots will increase(not for a while atleast)

Omg everyone's going to be so rattled if they don't bring it back. But don't worry, I'm already organizing a boycotting session Tuesday. Level 40 wilderness, world 153, low defense levels only, bring all your rare items.

From: cycrosism
You do realise if they allow this we will be swarmed with bots and getting resources will be much harder

i dont really care tbh. Because i have HUNDREDS of bots that i need to transfer materials too. In a couple of hours i will make millions before the bots are able to gather there materials.

From: Squancy
i dont really care tbh. Because i have HUNDREDS of bots that i need to transfer materials too. In a couple of hours i will make millions before the bots are able to gather there materials.

They will most likely link accounts. I'm 99% sure they will.

From: cycrosism
You do realise if they allow this we will be swarmed with bots and getting resources will be much harder

Uhm no. Maybe Rune ess will finally be a decent 25ea and Iron Ore back to 100ea (and Iron Bars 200ea, it's srsly hard to profit on smithing nowadays besides smelting).
Inflation :(

I voted for wild/free trade to come back kinda last minute (Jan. 13). It would be cool to see it return. I just have a couple theories though…
1 - With the return of free trade/old wild, JaGeX will update their bot detection.
2 - Obvious money transfers from a bot to another account WILL BE CAUGHT.

Now I'm really undecided whether or not everything will turn out good, but I think I'll be fine. I only legit play on my main for fun/time wasting.

I don't think their "new bot detection" system is anything to worry about. They have pulled such a hoax before, with little to no effect – a few accounts have been banned here and there, but I've never actually noticed a significant "upgrade" in the true meaning of the word.

I've never been banned for as long as I've botted, which I've done throughout my membership at SRL/Villavu.

From: Griff721
Omg everyone's going to be so rattled if they don't bring it back. But don't worry, I'm already organizing a boycotting session Tuesday. Level 40 wilderness, world 153, low defense levels only, bring all your rare items.

Am I the only person who seriously lol'd while rofl'ing ?

Jagex = bullshitters, they won't give us what we want straight otherwise it would be done already.

-Boom

From: cycrosism
You do realise if they allow this we will be swarmed with bots and getting resources will be much harder

I thought of that too, but you know what? I don't care. I am a pker first then skiller. I'm sick and tired of waiting for ep for a damn hour. I'm tired of needing dp.

I'm tired of having pure ess nearly the same price ass nature runes. All mineral bars are too expensive to make profit, which means its harder to find items to alch. Fletching is soo expensive too and you lose money on it when before it was actually profitable and fun.

I'm tired of being forced to bot on my pure because I cannot transfer to it cash from my main. It's not fun making a pure no more because there is no effort in getting stats and items. Right now I just bot soul wars because everyone else does the same and always a step ahead of me.

I hate rsdemon and how it raped Runescape and shows no respect to the game. I also hate rsbot because of its lack of respect to the game. I like SRL because it respects the game…..

You don't understand how much better the game would be with free trade and wilderness back.

getting tired of jagex, first they remove the things we players love most, and then, 3 years later they mayyybeee will let us have it back, they let us vote, then they reset the vote, let us vote one more time, then they delay the close of the vote with almost 4 hours, saying that they will give us information 3 day later. It doesnt matter if we already waited 3 years and 3 days more isnt so much, the matter is that they dont give a shit.

From: Squancy
Bullshit.

IT clearly says I VOTED FOR:



I better see all that shit on Tuesdays Update.

They better have a print out of that handed to Andrew

They haven't specified a time period, they could wait until 2014 if they wanted to, it would still be sticking by the vote.

I genuinely can't understand the impatience, you should be grateful that they're finally in the stage of reversing it. Free trade, yes, that'll probably come back pretty quickly, as Andrew said it was "just a few lines of code". But in terms of the wilderness, they have quests to relocate, minigames to relocate, game mechanics to seriously alter, clue scrolls to be changed, entire areas completely changed. It's a lot of work, one that may take over 6 months.

Haha, we got 1234658 votes in total! pretty damn close to 1234567 :p

From: cycrosism
You do realise if they allow this we will be swarmed with bots and getting resources will be much harder

Jagex may not realize this and we may not like it, but Runescape needs bots. Badly. More than anything, they are the only counter to Runescape's wild inflation; so long as there are bots, resource prices won't spiral out of control.

That said, yeah they're annoying when trying to train competitive skills (mining, woodcutting, combat, ect.).

From: BraK
Build an army While you wait to make you some money. It'll be a productive thing to do.

~BraK

This is exactly what i have been doing.

From: Richard
They haven't specified a time period, they could wait until 2014 if they wanted to, it would still be sticking by the vote.

I genuinely can't understand the impatience, you should be grateful that they're finally in the stage of reversing it. Free trade, yes, that'll probably come back pretty quickly, as Andrew said it was "just a few lines of code". But in terms of the wilderness, they have quests to relocate, minigames to relocate, game mechanics to seriously alter, clue scrolls to be changed, entire areas completely changed. It's a lot of work, one that may take over 6 months.

Erm Jagex stated numorous times that they could bring back the wilderness within a few days or now if they wanted as they have everything coded and they would make the whole team work on reinstating them.

Andrew said that free trade was just a couple of lines of editing.

2 more days!:stirthepot:

They're not stupid, they're just acting like that, they know that another numbers of active players will leave if they don't do this, they won't risk this again ;).

From: dd409
Jagex may not realize this and we may not like it, but Runescape needs bots. Badly. More than anything, they are the only counter to Runescape's wild inflation; so long as there are bots, resource prices won't spiral out of control.

That said, yeah they're annoying when trying to train competitive skills (mining, woodcutting, combat, ect.).

Bots don't control inflation.

From: Capricorn
Bots don't control inflation.

They do, because imagine if theres something is easily botted but is too expensive - rune essence or yews for instance. If it becomes really profitable to bot it, all the bots will bot it, thus driving the prices back down. Say 100k/hour gp botting yews, but its 50k/hour botting maples or iron ore. Yews will get botted until theres so many yews in the game the price drops back down, and an equilibrium is reached. Then the bots move to the next most profitable thing. Over time, I guess it would equal out to where each bot can make the best profit while still being able to sell their items - resulting in bots botting at many different places, many different items, all keeping it in balance of supply and demand to keep prices relatively stable and deflate the items that are too high.

Thats why most scripts are 50-100k gp an hour and its rare to get anything above that unless its a minigame or something, because over time the prices of resources become relatively stable with the time and levels required to get it. (It also turns RS into a "vanilla" clicking game, since everything is pretty much the same. Thank Andrew for pking :spot:)

The delay and hype up is a marketing thing… Jagex doesn't care about "Runescape" it's a business, with bisiness men working on it or with them… They delay and hype it up so everyone tells all their old friends who dont play runescape anymore, so rich kids who bot too much buy 100+ memberships, so people will tell new people about it just because it's on their mind because they can't wait for it… They know that everyone hates restricted trade, what's the point of not having trade in an MMORPG? More like "RPG-Chat room" rofl…

My thoughts on the topic:

• It's gonna come back
• I'm hoping there are enough old schoolers to keep prices steady
• I can't wait to be rich again! :spot:

EDIT: And +1 to bots controlling the the prices on resources… Not because bots always control them, but because bots>humans when it comes to resources today… Back in the day it was the no lifers who controlled them :p

From: The Claw
They do, because imagine if theres something is easily botted but is too expensive - rune essence or yews for instance. If it becomes really profitable to bot it, all the bots will bot it, thus driving the prices back down. Say 100k/hour gp botting yews, but its 50k/hour botting maples or iron ore. Yews will get botted until theres so many yews in the game the price drops back down, and an equilibrium is reached. Then the bots move to the next most profitable thing. Over time, I guess it would equal out to where each bot can make the best profit while still being able to sell their items - resulting in bots botting at many different places, many different items, all keeping it in balance of supply and demand to keep prices relatively stable and deflate the items that are too high.

Thats why most scripts are 50-100k gp an hour and its rare to get anything above that unless its a minigame or something, because over time the prices of resources become relatively stable with the time and levels required to get it. (It also turns RS into a "vanilla" clicking game, since everything is pretty much the same. Thank Andrew for pking :spot:)

Inflation is about the general price of items… An influx of supply may appear to "fix" inflation, but it certainly doesn't.

A good example of inflation was when 76king was at it's peak. Everything was increasing in price every update because people were making like 5m a hour doing nothing. Suddenly people could buy lots of whatever they wanted and demand rose. However it meant some ways of making money was in a downward spiral. That 100k a hour you made fishing monkfish couldn't buy you a pair of dragon claws after 300 hours because a pair of dragon claws was now 40m instead.

Inflation is pretty good in RS, it could be a little bit better though. Besides, it's obvious Jagex cannot create a good way to cause deflation anyway so it's best not to gloom about the negativities of inflation.

From: lindstrom
…then they delay the close of the vote with almost 4 hours…

I know I was up till 4:30 am because they were suppose to announce it at 4 (my time) xD

zybez

good night peepz

I just can't wait to be able to merchant PROPERLY again :)
Where you could buy rune boots for 100k off one guy then 5 minutes later sell them for 150k.

-Boom

For me, I do not mind botters making all the money they make. that's fine do whatever you gotta do.

On a different note however, I hope free trade will work out for the low wealth class in runescape. People want to enjoy the game and half of the people that play don't want to sit there and train skills for hours of a day everyday just so they can go kill something and not get the drop they wanted after killing X monster all day.

Money is one of the biggest concerns in this game. the economy is shit. Everything is honestly too expensive for low lvl players to buy to enjoy playing the game. that's why so many people switch over to WoW. Yes it's 15$ a month. But did you realize (if you've played it before) how easy it is? They have just as many things to do as Runescape does but they make the goals a lot easier to accomplish.

EDIT: Also, if the economy worked for the low class, it would work well for the high class too. cheaper items are the more people will buy. I'm talking about items people need. (Armor, Weapons, Potions, Food etc..)

So after this ramble of words and opinions my conclusion and hope is this. Keep on botting. Create your armies, over fill resources, make your money selling giant chunks of wood, ore, fish, whatever. But Do it for self gain. Don't do it to mess with the economy and screw everyone else over. And don't make it obvious you are botting. That's what gets you caught in the first place and "you" ruin it for everyone else. Jagex watches everything. They aren't stupid to say the least. It's easy to understand how they figure out how these bots work and where. It's all about patterns and movement.

i cant wait.. i hope it goes back to the old rs, where the only way in hell you could buy or sell something is if you go on the forums, or can somehow get into w2 fally, or when you can make money from fletching or smithing or sometimes herblore

From: Awkwardsaw
i cant wait.. i hope it goes back to the old rs, where the only way in hell you could buy or sell something is if you go on the forums, or can somehow get into w2 fally, or when you can make money from fletching or smithing or sometimes herblore

Grand Exchange is staying.

From: Capricorn
Grand Exchange is staying.

yes without a price cap.

————–


some stuff i found buzzing through the forums.

Pleased the GE is staying, Hope they split the market though.. GE is regulated and if you wanna sell something on the street you can free of regulations. It'll keep prices where they belong while also allowing prices to go up and down by small percentages.

i dont think that anyone will still use the ge, unless they know for sure what the street price is.

From: Awkwardsaw
i dont think that anyone will still use the ge, unless they know for sure what the street price is.

I would sit on zybez while buying and selling stuff to keep updated on the street prices.

From: Becks
I would sit on zybez while buying and selling stuff to keep updated on the street prices.

how will it be constantly updated?

From: Awkwardsaw
how will it be constantly updated?

back in 2007 it was. I use to use the client they offered with a calculator and a price checker on the side. I assume they will update more and faster as soon as free trade drops.

From: Awkwardsaw
i dont think that anyone will still use the ge, unless they know for sure what the street price is.

maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't the GE price be about the same as the street price if the restrictions are removed.

From: Heysus
maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't the GE price be about the same as the street price if the restrictions are removed.

Correct. I think he is trying to say that you will be able to list what ever your selling at what ever price you want in the GE.

From: Heysus
maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't the GE price be about the same as the street price if the restrictions are removed.

thats my point, unless you know the street price you wont use the ge.

From: Heysus
maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't the GE price be about the same as the street price if the restrictions are removed.

The Grand Exchange price is right for 99%~ of the most common items.

Only things like party hats, crackers and spirit shields (and new GWD armour) have incorrect GE pricing.

Stuff like Feathers, Iron ore, coal, shark won't change in price. Some stuff that are at price ceilings and price floors will though (Raw chicken)

From: lindstrom
getting tired of jagex, first they remove the things we players love most, and then, 3 years later they mayyybeee will let us have it back, they let us vote, then they reset the vote, let us vote one more time, then they delay the close of the vote with almost 4 hours, saying that they will give us information 3 day later. It doesnt matter if we already waited 3 years and 3 days more isnt so much, the matter is that they dont give a shit.

totally agree with you, if they dont held their promise , i quit again.
Also there was like 97% who wanted both back, but still they need to "think about it", they shoud think about what woud make their company earn the most money instead, and that is clearly to just bring it back.

Ge prices will just have a "recommended" price on the item you are wishing to buy or sell. It's up to the seller or the buyer to set the price equal, greater, or less than the recommended price. prior to '07 there was no recommended price. You could go by shop prices but people would still sell items at ridiculous prices. High or low.

From: tom99
totally agree with you, if they dont held their promise , i quit again.
Also there was like 97% who wanted both back, but still they need to "think about it", they shoud think about what woud make their company earn the most money instead, and that is clearly to just bring it back.

92%. They haven't promised to do anything, have they? I'd like to see where this was stated. This hasn't been one of their "guaranteed content polls". Remember who owns the game…

From: Richard
92%. They haven't promised to do anything, have they? I'd like to see where this was stated. This hasn't been one of their "guaranteed content polls". Remember who owns the game…

No No No No and NO. Jagex went full out on this poll. They created multiple ads on youtube and on a lot of websites. They sent this out to news websites, they set a banner when you 1st login, and they've sent a lot of emails out to inactive players. They created two polls with a lot of hype. They only created the second poll because some people wanted to vote No but they nay sayers still got dominated. There mod's went on the forums and their respective clan chats. and started giving hints out and what they plan to do. They even made a thread that said "What are you doing to prepare for Wildy and FT".

This is MORE than a guaranteed content poll. Jagex can mess around with other garunteed content polls and not release an update even if the majority wanted it. But this is completely different and I'm pretty sure Jagex knows the consequences.

I Guess its coming back, better not be another damn fake video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yELo7T9NAD8&feature=player_embedded#!

In the situation they are in now if they don't bring it back tons of players would become very disappointed in jagex yet again as many were when they dropped free trade and the wilderness.

Overall I think its pretty funny how FIRM and NEVER COMING BACK all of the mods and jagex in general was when they rid of it all. They realized their mistake immediately after the changes and probably decided to make themselves not look all that stupid and wait a few years so it would all cool down, and now look.. They made it seem wayyyy too easy to get it back, and now they are trying to act like they need to think it over… Jagex made up it's mind already, and I believe they are just trying to cover up their stupidity by having "discussions"…
Thats a big word for them =P

IDEA:

If Jagex pulls a fast one on us and decides NOT to bring old wildy/free trade back, we team up with RSbot and all the other botting sites and just flood runescape with lvl 3 botters rofl! We have the potential to make it epic! :p

From: nose_smasher
IDEA:

If Jagex pulls a fast one on us and decides NOT to bring old wildy/free trade back, we team up with RSbot and all the other botting sites and just flood runescape with lvl 3 botters rofl! We have the potential to make it epic! :p

Or we make billions of spam accounts :p

From: kingarabian
No No No No and NO. Jagex went full out on this poll. They created multiple ads on youtube and on a lot of websites. They sent this out to news websites, they set a banner when you 1st login, and they've sent a lot of emails out to inactive players. They created two polls with a lot of hype. They only created the second poll because some people wanted to vote No but they nay sayers still got dominated. There mod's went on the forums and their respective clan chats. and started giving hints out and what they plan to do. They even made a thread that said "What are you doing to prepare for Wildy and FT".

This is MORE than a guaranteed content poll. Jagex can mess around with other garunteed content polls and not release an update even if the majority wanted it. But this is completely different and I'm pretty sure Jagex knows the consequences.

Just because they've created a lot of publicity with this doesn't mean it's for sure, I've yet to see any confirmation of this being definite. Obviously I accept that is almost definite that it will be released, but the fact they are already being hesitant does raise concern.

Free trade, instant, yes. Wilderness, few months yet.

Publicity and money making go hand in hand. What you and others are missing is this. By advertising the poll they generated publicity. This publicity created an increase in web site visits which:
(1) Created revenue for Jagex and the adverts featured on their sites
(2) increase in accounts created.

even if this poll is not guaranteed to bring content into Runescape. This poll gave Jagex a good number of active players.

Richard, Nothing can ever be instant.. And what hesitation do you see? They said on the 17th they will roll out the official decision. In any company you need a majority vote from the shareholders of a company. A decision like this is huge. Why do you think they had the poll? To show their shareholders that people wanted this to come back. So Richard and everyone else, relax lol. You are all worrying about this way too much. I've been playing since '99 (classic) and Jagex has never went back on their word.

I think the most interesting thing will be the stress on the GE immediately before free trade.

I got a confirmation from a couple of mods that the video is infact real. So Wilderness is coming back its just a matter of when. Will see in like 5+ hours.

From: IceFire908
I think the most interesting thing will be the stress on the GE immediately before free trade.

I agree. Also the dramatic increase and decrease in prices due to street consumerism.

Wow they waited another 2 days to say this…?

Update:

Thank you to all those of you who took part in the historic RuneScape Referendum, which ended on Friday. We received an incredible 1.2 million votes, with a united 91% of you voting for the restoration of free trade and the Wilderness. We have heard your call and will be restoring these much loved features to RuneScape on Tuesday 1st February.

The clock is ticking and you have just two weeks to get ready for this monumental update. To help you prepare, we will be releasing a series of guides, FAQs and expert advice about the Wilderness and free trade, so that players both old and new can get ready for this epic release.

Now it is up to you to prepare for battle, level your account, gear up your armour and equip yourself for the ultimate Wilderness experience.

There is just one question left unanswered: are you ready?

Mark Gerhard and the RuneScape Team 

New Thread with update: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61525