SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

…. Ok. Think about this. The whole liberal party is like a huge scheme to steal money from rich people. Poor people vastly outnumber rich people so their votes matter a lot more. If liberals and democrats keep voting to raise taxes just so they can have them because they are unable to take care of themselves.
I think if guns are ever taken away because of some law then these rich people will be all like nah cause this violates the second amendment. Eventually the army will be ran by an extreme liberal, like Hitler or Obama, and they will use force to dissolve the nations wealth and distribute it evenly. We need to teach kids that they really need to understand why they are wrong for siding with Obams. How can anyone really agree with him??

"An extreme liberal, like Hitler or Obama.."

uhh, sir, you are and idiot. ^_^

I don't even want to have a debate about this but you should understand some stuff you're talking about. :/ I'm not saying don't be a republican or anything, do what you think is right, but thinking that Obama is the worst or he's comparable to Hitler is extremely naive, and it's people like you who make the republican party look bad (kinda like Sarah Palin).

From: i luffs yeww
"An extreme liberal, like Hitler or Obama.."

uhh, sir, you are and idiot. ^_^

I don't even want to have a debate about this but you should understand some stuff you're talking about. :/ I'm not saying don't be a republican or anything, do what you think is right, but thinking that Obama is the worst or he's comparable to Hitler is extremely naive, and it's people like you who make the republican party look bad (kinda like Sarah Palin).

This is what I believe of you as well, in a nut shell.

Get off my internets.

Also, the fact that you want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer disgusts me.

I'm too drunk to find the info, but I do know that countries with a much smaller gap between the top 5% and the bottom 5%, wealth wise, the lower the average IQ is.

So great job, OP. You advertise and promote ignorance and separation of a country. That's worse than Hitler's original goals, which was to unite Germany.

You dick.

I do hope that y'all realize that Hitler was a socialist…

Yes.

Well then in that case, Hitler is comparable on some level to every socialist (Which Obama is, whether he admits it or not.)…

Now I do think that Liberals in Washington act as if they are "compassionate" and "caring" when they in fact, are not, they simply use minorities to gain power and portray themselves as the ones trying to lift the inner-city population up a pay grade, when they never intend to do that, or else they would lose power.

From: sirlaughsalot
Well then in that case, Hitler is comparable on some level to every socialist (Which Obama is, whether he admits it or not.)…

Now I do think that Liberals in Washington act as if they are "compassionate" and "caring" when they in fact, are not, they simply use minorities to gain power and portray themselves as the ones trying to lift the inner-city population up a pay grade, when they never intend to do that, or else they would lose power.

I think Hitler is more Stalin, and Obama is more Marx. (Karl, not Groucho, Chico, Harpo or Zeppo…) FYI: They did boost people up a smidge via an increase in Minimum Wage, although you can make more than that flipping burgers, and the increase just caused prices on things like food and clothes to go up as well.

From: Drugserrbad
…. Ok. Think about this. The whole liberal party is like a huge scheme to steal money from rich people. Poor people vastly outnumber rich people so their votes matter a lot more. If liberals and democrats keep voting to raise taxes just so they can have them because they are unable to take care of themselves.
I think if guns are ever taken away because of some law then these rich people will be all like nah cause this violates the second amendment. Eventually the army will be ran by an extreme liberal, like Hitler or Obama, and they will use force to dissolve the nations wealth and distribute it evenly. We need to teach kids that they really need to understand why they are wrong for siding with Obams. How can anyone really agree with him??

This is your first post, isn't it? I'm guessing you've moved on after dropping this turd on our doorstep… BUT if you haven't, please explain what you mean?

Socialism is a lot like Capitalism in a way - they both look great "on paper".

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Jus' wanted to say that all politics is silly business.

From: sirlaughsalot
Well then in that case, Hitler is comparable on some level to every socialist (Which Obama is, whether he admits it or not.)…

Now I do think that Liberals in Washington act as if they are "compassionate" and "caring" when they in fact, are not, they simply use minorities to gain power and portray themselves as the ones trying to lift the inner-city population up a pay grade, when they never intend to do that, or else they would lose power.

Please please please don't generalize!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You say liberals like it's a dirty word. Liberalism is a spectrum of different beliefs. What it means to some people, it doesn't mean to others. Im a liberal, and what that means to me is that I believe in equal rights for all sexualities and races, pro choice, and the responsibility of Americans towards other Americans.

What I mean by this last one has to do with economics. It really irks me when the rich want tax breaks. Shouldn't someone who has so much give a little to people who have so little? Social actions programs, while at times very very inefficient, do so much for people.

Basically, in summation, I think our government has a lot of problems, and needs to be fixed. But don't blame the an entire spectrum of beliefs!

From: blulightning
Basically, in summation, I think our government has a lot of problems, and needs to be fixed. But don't blame the an entire spectrum of beliefs!

The government – technically speaking – is not the problem, as they in theory reflect the will of the people. If only we could start having people fixed… :whistling:

From: Capricorn
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Jus' wanted to say that all politics is silly business.

Meh. Was fine until it BECAME a business.

From: EGM
The government – technically speaking – is not the problem, as they in theory reflect the will of the people. If only we could start having people fixed… :whistling:

Ha. no, I meant the system of government.

(also, just put your replies in one post instead of double posting)

lol @ calling Obama liberal. Here in Europe he would be really conservative..
Oh and no one cares about society's weaker people, only about themselves.

Yes, in Australia he wouldn't be liberal. I heard the "free health care debate" and went, "OK USA, it worked for the rest of us, but your clearly to AWESOME for such a simple system to work for you…"

Free health care FTW!

Yeah, sometimes we're too stubborn for our own good.

From: blulightning
Please please please don't generalize!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You say liberals like it's a dirty word. Liberalism is a spectrum of different beliefs. What it means to some people, it doesn't mean to others. Im a liberal, and what that means to me is that I believe in equal rights for all sexualities and races, pro choice, and the responsibility of Americans towards other Americans.

What I mean by this last one has to do with economics. It really irks me when the rich want tax breaks. Shouldn't someone who has so much give a little to people who have so little? Social actions programs, while at times very very inefficient, do so much for people.

Basically, in summation, I think our government has a lot of problems, and needs to be fixed. But don't blame the an entire spectrum of beliefs!

I am simply using the definition that is in use today… It makes me really sad when people say they are a liberal and vote accordingly (Democrat), just because they think that it is the "humane" thing to do, and that they are looking out for the little guy when they do so… When for some reason a TON of rich people are huge Democrats, and a lot of extremely large companies (Apple) contribute ridiculous amounts of money to Democrats.

From: Markus
lol @ calling Obama liberal. Here in Europe he would be really conservative..
Oh and no one cares about society's weaker people, only about themselves.

No one would consider Obama a conservative, you obviously know nothing about him if you think so.

From: Bad Boy JH
Yes, in Australia he wouldn't be liberal. I heard the "free health care debate" and went, "OK USA, it worked for the rest of us, but your clearly to AWESOME for such a simple system to work for you…"

I really don't know how much more Liberal you can get, what y'all don't understand is that he wants more than just "free" health care, he wants to get rid of guns, and to nationalize all major industries, which is a practice, known as socialism.

While gun control may seem like a good thing to most of you, the fact is, criminals will still be criminals and just break one more law by having a gun they aren't supposed to have, so a law-abiding citizen not being able to have one to defend him or herself is ridiculous.

For instance, the Fort Hood shooting (I am not sure how much international coverage that got), was obviously a military base, and the people in the military were not allowed to carry their weapons into the area they were in, this did not stop a psycho from opening fire and killing people and wounding many more. And had the people in the military, those who are trained in using weapons proficiently, been able to have their own firearms, he would have been apprehended (most likely killed) much quicker, and innocent men and women in our military would not have been killed.

Not to mention "free" health care is NOT "free" SOMEONE is paying for it, aka the tax payer, it is not a more simple system, it is a system which makes it impossible to produce good doctors, or people who will think that becoming a doctor will be worth it. What needs to happen for health insurance to become affordable is to get rid of trial lawyers who search out cases where medical malpractice may or may not have happened, and while it is a big deal if a doctor does something like that, it drives up the cost of doctors in order to protect themselves from something like that.

Roads, hospitals, police, fire departments, all run by taxes.
If someone really thinks that "if you can't afford your own medicine or your own safety, you better be deprived from them 'cause I aint paying a penny!" I hope the one dies, because that thought is the very core of why planet earth sucks as it is.

Greed. Selfishness. Lack of caring for other people. That's what I hate most in this world.

From: marpis
Roads, hospitals, police, fire departments, all run by taxes.
If someone really thinks that "if you can't afford your own medicine or your own safety, you better be deprived from them 'cause I aint paying a penny!" I hope the one dies, because that thought is the very core of why planet earth sucks as it is.

Greed. Selfishness. Lack of caring for other people. That's what I hate most in this world.

The problem with that argument is, hospitals wont turn people away who need medical care. It isn't like people die next to a hospital after being turned away because they do not have insurance, or cannot afford it.

Roads, Police, Fire Departments, and Defense are just about the only things that should be publicly supported.

From: sirlaughsalot
I do hope that y'all realize that Hitler was a socialist…

yup.

There was actually a story about someone who lived in some town where you had to pay for fire department service. He thought it was ridiculous, and refused to pay. He "forgot" to pay. Well his house caught on fire later, the fire department refused to show up….they were eventually talked into showing up because the neighbor was scared for his own house (he paid the fee).
They watched the house burn down, and made sure the other house didn't catch.

The owner was begging with them to put it out, offering them cash and pay the fee, they still refused…..

Kinda off topic….sorry.

Edit: and to provide a source as I always try to encourage: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/
seems I embellished a little, will cross out the errors.

From: Brain
There was actually a story about someone who lived in some town where you had to pay for fire department service. He thought it was ridiculous, and refused to pay. He "forgot" to pay. Well his house caught on fire later, the fire department refused to show up….they were eventually talked into showing up because the neighbor was scared for his own house (he paid the fee).
They watched the house burn down, and made sure the other house didn't catch.

The owner was begging with them to put it out, offering them cash and pay the fee, they still refused…..

Kinda off topic….sorry.

Edit: and to provide a source as I always try to encourage: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/
seems I embellished a little, will cross out the errors.

It wasn't like he couldn't afford it, he just figured that nothing would happen to him so he didn't pay it. The policy had been in effect for over 20 years, he knew about it. Not to mention it is MSNBC, AND Keith Olbermann, both of which are laughable sources to get news from.

From: sirlaughsalot
No one would consider Obama a conservative, you obviously know nothing about him if you think so.

I would, for sure. And I know what I'm saying. Because it's you, for this single occasion I'll actually argument it. I'll start with the healthcare reform and compare it to the situation here in NL.
What he wants:

• Mandated insurance in 2014
• Must cover sicker applicants in 2014
• Subsidies for your insurance if you can't afford them (133% minimum income I read)

Source: Wikipedia, Healthcare reform in the United States

In 2004, we also had a Healthcare reform in the Netherlands. This was the outcome:

• Mandated insurance in 2006
• Must cover sicker applications in 2006
• Subsidies if you can't afford your insurance (around 60%-70%, maximum at 33.000 euro (195% of minimum wage).

Source: my own bank account. Also lookup Healthcare in the Netherlands @ wikipedia. (How much does my insurance cost? €1200, I get €840 in subsidies because my income isn't too high ;)).

So that took around 18 months for the same results. But here's the deal: it was the conservative-liberal party (the VVD, considered pretty right-wing) over here which proposed it. The left-wing parties wanted to completely scrape insurance fees and just hold it on taxes (which is already happening now, I pay 1.5% for longterm-illness insurance and such). Same idea considered really left-wing in US and right-wing in NL. One reason we'd call Obama conservative. The Tea Party would be a bunch of monsters ;)

Few other short ones:

• Gay marriage, Obama oposes it, over here only one single party does (SGP, orthodox christians)
• Death penalty, Obama likes, maybe the Party for the Freedom (PVV, Geert Wilders) likes it but he'd be the only one.
• Income tax: Obama just wants to raise the higher taxes (which Bush SEVERLY lowered). Over here, every political party wanted to lower the taxes for middle-incomes (or all) and leave higher as is.

In hindsight, this isn't the best but it does outline my reasons for calling Obama conservative.

From: sirlaughsalot
Not to mention it is MSNBC, AND Keith Olbermann, both of which are laughable sources to get news from.

As opposed to what, Fox News? Lol!

I really don't know how much more Liberal you can get, what y'all don't understand is that he wants more than just "free" health care, he wants to get rid of guns, and to nationalize all major industries, which is a practice, known as socialism.

Okay, first of all, that's NOT what all socialism is. As a socialist, I would know. Second, he isn't pushing for nationalization of all major industries right now because it wouldn't work in our country.

The problem with that argument is, hospitals wont turn people away who need medical care. It isn't like people die next to a hospital after being turned away because they do not have insurance, or cannot afford it.

Finally, one more problem with your argument.
You're right, hospitals won't turn people away who need EMERGENCY medical care. But they CAN turn away people who need long term care.
My source: I'm a volunteer EMT

From: marpis
Roads, hospitals, police, fire departments, all run by taxes.
If someone really thinks that "if you can't afford your own medicine or your own safety, you better be deprived from them 'cause I aint paying a penny!" I hope the one dies, because that thought is the very core of why planet earth sucks as it is.

Greed. Selfishness. Lack of caring for other people. That's what I hate most in this world.

I don't think it really comes down to greed and I don't think you can generalize it up like that.

Personally I wouldn't want to pay the hospital costs of a pack a day smoker for 50 years.

Also, another reason why I'd rather not pay for taxes is because a vast majority of it is spent in the wrong places as far as I am concerned. You can chalk it up to greed, but as far as I am concerned the government does a shitty job on spending the money they steal from the people.

1) i love how people think socialism is bad.
2) i also love how people think any political party is better than the other
3)OP:

From: Awkwardsaw
1) i love how people think socialism is bad.
2) i also love how people think any political party is better than the other
3)OP:

Exactly. Socialism is only bad for people who are greedy. If we could all get over ourselves and take some responsibility for the rest of humanity, socialism would be vunderful


<3 Hyde

From: blulightning
Exactly. Socialism is only bad for people who are greedy. If we could all get over ourselves and take some responsibility for the rest of humanity, socialism would be vunderful


<3 Hyde

And if I had a billion dollars… Seriously, sure it would be great, but that isn't how the world works… Not to mention I really dont think it would be that great anyway… Yay, I get to work for the government, and buy all the stuff I want from the government, and get some things for free… It reminds me of the old mining camps and how people would get "payed" with the company currency, which was only good in the mining camp… Oh and dont forget, if you make too much money, you are greedy so I am going to take that money from you and give it to someone else…

From: sirlaughsalot
And if I had a billion dollars… Seriously, sure it would be great, but that isn't how the world works… Not to mention I really dont think it would be that great anyway… Yay, I get to work for the government, and buy all the stuff I want from the government, and get some things for free… It reminds me of the old mining camps and how people would get "payed" with the company currency, which was only good in the mining camp… Oh and dont forget, if you make too much money, you are greedy so I am going to take that money from you and give it to someone else…

i dont get your mining camp example, explain why its relevant? :)

From: sirlaughsalot
And if I had a billion dollars… Seriously, sure it would be great, but that isn't how the world works… Not to mention I really dont think it would be that great anyway… Yay, I get to work for the government, and buy all the stuff I want from the government, and get some things for free… It reminds me of the old mining camps and how people would get "payed" with the company currency, which was only good in the mining camp… Oh and dont forget, if you make too much money, you are greedy so I am going to take that money from you and give it to someone else…

You're thinking in terms of a world in which money even matters.
Like I said, socialism definitely wouldn't work now because everyone is greedy.
What I'm saying is that if people looked past themselves and opened their eyes, they wouldn't be so greedy. If everyone had equal opportunity, money wouldn't matter because everyone would help each other selflessly.

Ie, if im good at making clothes, I'll make clothes, and trust that people who are good at other things will provide me with other things.

Obviously, people today are too full of themselves to see that

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From: cstrike
No, the hooks are fine. They will be updated soon after an update, rshacking.com has some of them though immediately.

wait… what?

From: blulightning
Exactly. Socialism is only bad for people who are greedy. If we could all get over ourselves and take some responsibility for the rest of humanity, socialism would be vunderful


<3 Hyde

I think socialism is only for people that are lazy.

From: Drugserrbad
I think socialism is only for people that are lazy.

Wanna back that up? Because making socialism work requires hard work. Example: kibbutzim in israel.

Give me proof, and Ill consider it, but right now you're just making sweeping generalizations, which is lazy, in my opinion :)

I only read the first 2 posts and I have already got to say something. I normally read all the comments but I couldnt wait… I completely agree with i luffs yeww becuase you are the one that makes the republican party look bad. The other day I also saw a republican that makes me wish that people weren't this stupid. They said and I quote "I don't want you to change your ways, I just want you to CONFORM to what I beleive in." I just thought that that was the stupidest thing I have heard of.

From: blulightning
Wanna back that up? Because making socialism work requires hard work. Example: kibbutzim in israel.

Give me proof, and Ill consider it, but right now you're just making sweeping generalizations, which is lazy, in my opinion :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz#Economics ? Not to mention that more closely (At its inception), resembled Communism.

Think about it though, you are working for what is thought that you NEED, not what you WANT, and in my opinion would starve innovation. Competition is a major force for creating new technologies.

If a government is in control of agriculture, and all major industries, it will be a high-tax environment with the government still struggling.

If the government can barely keep afloat, the first thing to go will be R&D of new technologies. If a company is competing with another company however, they will spend as much money as they can to be better than the other. They are only limited by the revenue they generate, by providing a service to people, and if they can do something to make that service better, they will research it to try to make more money.