SRL Archive - Mathematics

"Graphing Quadratic Functions to find Roots"


Sandstorm

2010-11-06 00:13:49

That's what my worksheet calls this.

Alright, so, I have a quadratic equation in standard form.

It's this:

Y = -X^2 + 16X - 18

So, X is equal to Negative B over 2A.

-16/2(-1) = -16/-2 = 8

I've figured out that, if I'm right, X is equal to 8.

Following that, I get this to find Y:

-1(8)^2 + 16(8) - 18 = 46

However, my graph (Cartesian plane, obviously) only goes to 10/-10. Did I do something wrong here? Or is it just a problem with the graph?

ForgotMyName

2010-11-06 01:02:34

Graphs are infinite in all four directions. You've just got to convince whatever you're using to show you the interesting regions of that graph at an interesting scale.

That said, your solution is incorrect. You're missing a rather huge chunk of the quadratic equation.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=+0+%3D+-X^2+%2B+16X+-+18

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation

Sandstorm

2010-11-06 01:04:42

From: ForgotMyName
Graphs are infinite in all four directions. You've just got to convince whatever you're using to show you the interesting regions of that graph at an interesting scale.

That said, your solution is incorrect. You're missing a rather huge chunk of the quadratic equation.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=+0+%3D+-X^2+%2B+16X+-+18

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation


To the bold: Good luck convincing the piece of paper on my desk.

To the italics: How so? That's what I was given on the paper. Can you explain further?

TomTuff

2010-11-06 01:04:42

i'd relabel the units by 5's or something

here's the graph:

From: ForgotMyName
Graphs are infinite in all four directions. You've just got to convince whatever you're using to show you the interesting regions of that graph at an interesting scale.

That said, your solution is incorrect. You're missing a rather huge chunk of the quadratic equation.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=+0+%3D+-X^2+%2B+16X+-+18

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation


LOL no

ForgotMyName

2010-11-06 02:58:09

From: Sandstorm
To the bold: Good luck convincing the piece of paper on my desk.

To the italics: How so? That's what I was given on the paper. Can you explain further?


That's odd. I originally assumed you were using a graphing calculator or maybe computer software. Then one of the roots isn't even in the range that you're graphing.

Anyway, I misspoke. Space is infinite. Graphs are a finite representation to show a particular region of space, and ideally you would pick the location/size/resolution of what you're representing to be meaningful. (And even that explanation is wrong, if you ask a math major. But I'm not a math major.)

The roots of
ax^2+bx+c
are
(-b +/- sqrt(b^2 - 4ac))/(2a)
using the quadratic equation

Those roots are your "x-values", and by definition of being roots, your "y-values" there had better be 0.

You were leaving out the whole radical.

The roots are roughly 1 and 15.
Precisely, they are 8 +/- sqrt(46)
as the Wolfram Alpha link says

So at least one of them works out in your -10 to 10 window of x-values. Maybe you're not meant to care about the other one if you're meant to be doing it graphically in that window.

TomTuff

2010-11-06 03:37:27

From: ForgotMyName
That's odd. I originally assumed you were using a graphing calculator or maybe computer software. Then one of the roots isn't even in the range that you're graphing.

Anyway, I misspoke. Space is infinite. Graphs are a finite representation to show a particular region of space, and ideally you would pick the location/size/resolution of what you're representing to be meaningful. (And even that explanation is wrong, if you ask a math major. But I'm not a math major.)

The roots of
ax^2+bx+c
are
(-b +/- sqrt(b^2 - 4ac))/(2a)
using the quadratic equation

Those roots are your "x-values", and by definition of being roots, your "y-values" there had better be 0.

You were leaving out the whole radical.

The roots are roughly 1 and 15.
Precisely, they are 8 +/- sqrt(46)
as the Wolfram Alpha link says

So at least one of them works out in your -10 to 10 window of x-values. Maybe you're not meant to care about the other one if you're meant to be doing it graphically in that window.


roots aren't the problem on his graph, it's the vertex
if the vertex is represented as, we'll say, (f, g), then
f = -b/21
and g = f plugged into the original equation