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I think we should all keep an eye one him. He's written walking for SCRIPT_LSW_MINER and SCRIPT_DB_FISHER. I've tested them both and they work very well. I have also talked to him a lot on MSN. He has some good ideas, he gives suggestions and he definitely knows what he's talking about.

I think he should be given the cup for sure, then if he continues to contribute like he has (and not just in it for the cup), then I think he would make a good SL.

Thoughts?

Yes to the cup. Like you said, we will wait on the other.

IMO he's a good guy. I don't really do much around the forums lately, but I talk to him on msn quite a bit, and he seems like a smart guy who has a good amount of integrity.

Yeah he's cool, go for it :)

I like him. :)

I agree with him seeming to know what he's doing. I'll grant the cup :-)

~RM

From: Sir R. Magician
I agree with him seeming to know what he's doing. I'll grant the cup :-)

~RM

Wonderful. :)

I think it's about time he became an SL. :)

Anyone oppose?

YES. I agree to let him be a SL

From: Coh3n
I think it's about time he became an SL. :)

Anyone oppose?

May I ask why?

All his walking code is the same thing repeated over and over.

I say make him apply if he wants to be one. There is no reason he can't write up an application for us to vote on. I'm sick of handing the position out to people just so they can never look at MSI again.

From: NCDS
May I ask why?

All his walking code is the same thing repeated over and over.

I say make him apply if he wants to be one. There is no reason he can't write up an application for us to vote on. I'm sick of handing the position out to people just so they can never look at MSI again.

Sure, I'll PM him and ask him to write up an application if he's interested. Also, we need people to maintain the include as you and I aren't going to be around forever (I'm already slowly becoming less active, and I think that's only going to get worse). I think that whatever Camaro doesn't know, he'll learn in time (just like you and me).

Also, I sent this to RM last night.

From: Coh3n
Hey,

I know we haven't talked in a while, but I was wondering if I could get some advise regarding MSI.

It's not that I've lost interest (although it has decreased), but I feel like MSI is more of a job than something I do for fun in my spare time. I'm much more interested in expanding my programming knowledge into other languages like Java or Python, but I feel like MSI is holding me back. Scripting with Simba and SCAR has taught me how to think and problem solve through logic, but I feel like there's nothing more I can learn. Sure, there are always new ideas, but that's just repeating concepts I already know. I'm not learning anything new; it's getting very repetitive.

I am starting to feel like I have to work on MSI, and that's not what it's about. I already don't have much spare time as it is, but I want to know what you think of this plan.

I'm going to concentrate a lot more on "Leading" MSI rather than being an "MSI Programmer". What I mean by this is worry less about what features need to be added and more about community involvement, so we can hopefully get more people interested so someone can take my place, or at least start to give me that impression (a lot like you did with me).

We need more SLs. There are some people I think may be able to be SLs, but I'm not exactly confident letting people work on the include. This may sound selfish, but I feel like MSI is mine and I don't want anyone working on it. That is exactly the kind of attitude that lead me to write this message. You and I both know that I've done a lot of code for MSI, but I shouldn't want to be the only one updating it; after all, it's not mine, it's the communities.

So basically, I'm going to be spending my spare time on the forums rather than writing code for MSI. In other spare time I want to learn Python as I hear a lot of good things about it (mostly from Nava :p), plus I think it would be neat to help work on the Python side of Simba/SRL. I think it's time that I "evolve" to something "better". I also hope that this change allows me to properly use my Mod and Developer ranks for SRL. Since MSI started, it's been MSI, MSI, MSI; I haven't done anything for SRL. I think it's time that changed. Of course, I won't forget about MSI, but it's time for me to "move on".

I will be updating and maintaining the MSI forum (this includes tutorials), so we can make it extremely easy for users to become SLs. I am also going to make a thread in the SL section about a few people who could possible me SLs.

Anyway, I wanted to tell someone what I was thinking. :) I realize I didn't really ask a question for you to give advise to, but oh well. :p

Cheers,
Cohen

I want to say yes. He has the skills and he could learn the ropes of MSI.

He already shows he knowns some of them just from his code.

Also, what he doesn't know he can find out!

From: Coh3n
Sure, I'll PM him and ask him to write up an application if he's interested. Also, we need people to maintain the include as you and I aren't going to be around forever (I'm already slowly becoming less active, and I think that's only going to get worse). I think that whatever Camaro doesn't know, he'll learn in time (just like you and me).

Also, I sent this to RM last night.

In regards to your message to RM,

Talk to iluffsyew, he has been working on SPyRL a lot recently with my guidance and help. I think you might be interested in working on this as well. I can offer my support, just not my time unfortunately. :(

From: Nava2
In regards to your message to RM,

Talk to iluffsyew, he has been working on SPyRL a lot recently with my guidance and help. I think you might be interested in working on this as well. I can offer my support, just not my time unfortunately. :(

Yeah. I was going to start by going through the Python Tutorial Wizzup posted a while back, then go from there.

The only second thoughts I have about Camaro is that his code is extremely repetitive and fairly generic/basic.

Right now in my eyes he is a contributor. He contributes to certain little parts of MSI. However, even he admits himself that he does not 'know' MSI.

There is no need for him to have commit access and be an SL if he is just going to post a color path once a month or so. People who are SL's should be able to do anything regarding MSI, from updates to additions. Personally, I don't feel he is capable of that right now.

I would feel a lot more comfortable with it if he would work steady with us for a bit rather than just pop in once in a while with something.

Coh3n: I share a lot of the same feelings you sent to RM. Just relax for a bit. My time is slowly starting to free up again, although I wont have the amount of free time I used to, I will still be able to do plenty again.

This weekend is going to be rather busy, but after that I should be good.

From: NCDS
The only second thoughts I have about Camaro is that his code is extremely repetitive and fairly generic/basic.

Right now in my eyes he is a contributor. He contributes to certain little parts of MSI. However, even he admits himself that he does not 'know' MSI.

There is no need for him to have commit access and be an SL if he is just going to post a color path once a month or so. People who are SL's should be able to do anything regarding MSI, from updates to additions. Personally, I don't feel he is capable of that right now.

There's never going to be anyone that knows the include enough before they become an SL. The idea is that becoming an SL will get them more involved so they one day do know MSI.

From: NCDS

Coh3n: I share a lot of the same feelings you sent to RM. Just relax for a bit. My time is slowly starting to free up again, although I wont have the amount of free time I used to, I will still be able to do plenty again.

This weekend is going to be rather busy, but after that I should be good.

I've just been slowly losing interest. I've been doing the same things over and over again, and it's not even fun anymore. It's more of a job than a hobby. Like, I don't want to quit, but I want to quit, y'know? I just don't want to feel obligated to MSI when there's other things I'd rather be doing.

Who knows, I could feel the exact opposite tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Camaro']MSI SL Application:

Howdy, My name is aaron, I am 15 years old and enjoy helping the community by releasing scripts, bug fixes, [B]and helping MSI[/B]. :p I think I would be a good MSI Scripting Leader because I am active, know how to efficiently color code, and I also know how to efficiently code using reflection. I also highly enjoy writing code for MSI. Some specific things I'm looking to get done for MSI is:

• More color walking
• Fighting.simba(Trashing my old work)
• Bug fixes
• Blacklists

I have contributed to MSI in the following threads:

http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=757396#post757396 - Blacklists
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=757759#post757759 -Port sarim color walking
http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?p=757764#post757764 - Draynor fishing color walking (rewriting)
http://villavu.com/forum/showpost.php?p=747175&postcount=39 - LSW walking

+ With some script testing…
Thanks.

~Camaro'
:spot::spot::spot:
:).

My view is the same as before. Camaro' is great :)

From: Coh3n
There's never going to be anyone that knows the include enough before they become an SL. The idea is that becoming an SL will get them more involved so they one day do know MSI.

I just don't think there is a reason to have commit access if you don't even know the 'include'. In my opinion, if someone wants to be an SL, that's the absolute least we can ask. I know there is a lot to MSI, but people who don't really know what they're working with shouldn't be committing to it.

From: Coh3n

I've just been slowly losing interest. I've been doing the same things over and over again, and it's not even fun anymore. It's more of a job than a hobby. Like, I don't want to quit, but I want to quit, y'know? I just don't want to feel obligated to MSI when there's other things I'd rather be doing.

Who knows, I could feel the exact opposite tomorrow.

I know exactly what your talking about. I'm not going to lie, sometimes I take a day off just to take a day off and read up on something new. I generally just try to always have some sort of 'project' I'm working on with MSI so I always have something I want to finish. No one would be upset if you took a bit of a break. :)

From: Zyt3x
My view is the same as before.

As are mine. I'm not trying to put him down at all, but I've seen all the code he posted already and it's all pretty much the same lines repeated, except for the BL stuff of course.

Does anyone know of a recent script of his I should perhaps check out?

I found this: http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60579 I don't know what he thinks about it though…

This is indeed problematic. NCDS' point is absolutely valid.

~RM

Camaro' is sending me his best scripts (code wise).
I'll post them as soon as I get them

EDIT:
http://camaroessminer.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/The%20Essence%20Miner.simba
http://fmerlocations.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/script.txt

EDIT:
Camaro' said if you want more, he could send some.
He also said he has a script which constantly got 7h+ proggies, but where the code was "like bleh"

@NCDS

He knows the include, just not as well as your or I. I've talked to him a lot over MSN and he has a good attitude. I feel that whatever he doesn't know, he'll pick up along the way; however, we can wait and see what he does in the next few weeks if that will convince you that he knows what he's doing. :)

I also think its hard to prove you know the include. The only real way to do that is to continually fix bugs that come up as they can be all over the place. Developing features and skills are generally separate and can be done without having extensive knowledge of the include.

[OFFTOPIC] One of my priorities is to work on a proper documentation system. I'll be working with Wizzup (probably starting after the holidays) to use the same documentation SRL 5 is using. This will negate the need for the core guides (they're way outdated anyway). This system is very neat and organized and I think you guys will really like it. It will help everyone get to know the include much better. :)

From: Coh3n
@NCDS

He knows the include, just not as well as your or I. I've talked to him a lot over MSN and he has a good attitude. I feel that whatever he doesn't know, he'll pick up along the way; however, we can wait and see what he does in the next few weeks if that will convince you that he knows what he's doing. :)

I think a couple weeks would be good. If he continues to work on things during the time and proves he knows what he's doing when it comes to MSI, then he will most likely have my vote.

From: NCDS
As are mine. I'm not trying to put him down at all, but I've seen all the code he posted already and it's all pretty much the same lines repeated, except for the BL stuff of course

Correct me if I'm wrong, I just skimmed the BL thread. Didn't a bunch of people say the coding for his black list stuff was pretty slow and inefficient? I dunno, it seems like he might not be ready to put in the efficient code that MSI wants.

But also looking at it, I saw him readily try to update his code after some suggestions.

So basically I don't know what to think. I like him. I say if he continues to show interest for a week or so then we should let him in. Don't play hard to get for too long or he might just decide that we aren't going to let him be an SL and get discouraged.

Imho, 35ms is not slow

From: Zyt3x
Imho, 35ms is not slow

No, you're right in general.. but for blacklists, it definitely should not be that slow.

So we'll just wait for some days/weeks and see if he does some other/more work, then?

From: Zyt3x
So we'll just wait for some days/weeks and see if he does some other/more work, then?

you can feel free to bring it back up again in a few weeks if no one else has yet.

I'll send him a PM in the meantime.

E:

From: Coh3n

Hey there Camaro'. :)

Unfortunately, the majority of SL's don't feel you're quite ready to be an SL. That being said, all of them said you're close. Everyone wants you to keep doing what you're doing to demonstrate that you know the MSI include. I don't want you to get discouraged because of this and stop working on MSI.

I would still love to see you around the forums, doing what you have been (blacklists, color walking, etc.), and I have no doubt that you will become as SL in the near future. :)

Cheers,
Coh3n

I say yes because no one needs to be perfect. There's always space to learn :)

From: Sir R. Magician
I say yes because no one needs to be perfect. There's always space to learn :)

He has quite a bit to learn. :/

Everyone who wants to be a part of MSI does. Which is why I think the documentation I'm working on will help a lot.

Sorry NCDS, I know it's been only a few days, but anything he's suggested in the past couple days I've committed, there's been no problem. He's learning very fast.

I want him in.

From: Coh3n
Sorry NCDS, I know it's been only a few days, but anything he's suggested in the past couple days I've committed, there's been no problem. He's learning very fast.

I want him in.

I'd say wait another week so there are no disagreements between MSI Devs. That way if he's doing what he does, he'll get in; it's a win-win situation.

I'm pretty indifferent about how long it's going to take him to get in. He'll get in either in a week or now, it doesn't matter much anyway. I say in.

From: Coh3n
Sorry NCDS, I know it's been only a few days, but anything he's suggested in the past couple days I've committed, there's been no problem. He's learning very fast.

I want him in.

Is there any reason to rush it? I don't see how waiting a week should be a problem. If he's going to stop working on things by then, he shouldn't be an SL anyways.

From: NCDS
Is there any reason to rush it? I don't see how waiting a week should be a problem. If he's going to stop working on things by then, he shouldn't be an SL anyways.

I don't really see the difference between now and a week, though, other than right now it's an inconvenience for me to commit the stuff he's more than capable of doing.

From: Coh3n
I don't really see the difference between now and a week, though, other than right now it's an inconvenience for me to commit the stuff he's more than capable of doing.

It doesn't bug you when people get promoted to SL's and never even look at MSI again? That's more so what I'm trying to ensure doesn't happen.

We said we were going to wait for a few weeks, and it hasn't even been one..

I agree with NCDS

From: NCDS
It doesn't bug you when people get promoted to SL's and never even look at MSI again? That's more so what I'm trying to ensure doesn't happen.

Of course is would, but who has it happened with?

From: Coh3n
Of course is would, but who has it happened with?

I'll volunteer to throw my name out. I comitted a few things this summer then died because of school.

Now I'm spending free time staring at the new code that's been added since I left, trying to figure it out.

From: 3Garrett3
I'll volunteer to throw my name out. I comitted a few things this summer then died because of school.

Now I'm spending free time staring at the new code that's been added since I left, trying to figure it out.

No. You're fine. Although you haven't been extremely active, you help out (even if it is just giving your opinion) when you can. Everyone's going to get busy at times.

Was it beneficial to wait the week then?
Should we give it longer or what

He's working on an OpenGL bot together with Frement.
That's why he hasn't been doing too much with MSI lately

He hasn't really done anything else, nor does he really express any interest at this point. Not that I can see anyways.

Yeah I'm actually glad we didn't make in SL. Not because he hasn't done anything lately, but because after seeing some of the other code he's written (the rewriting of walking), I'm afraid he would commit something prematurely and that's not what we want.

And apparently he's lost interest anyway.

I agree with both of you