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FILE-SHARING software company LimeWire was shut down overnight after a judge issued a permanent injunction ordering it to close its file-sharing programs.

Visitors to the LimeWire website were able to view only a message that read: "This is an official notice that LimeWire is under a court-ordered injunction to stop distributing and supporting its file-sharing software. Downloading or sharing copyrighted content without authorization is illegal."

The injunction, issued by U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood, is the latest development stemming from a copyright infringement suit filed in 2006 by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

Created in 2000, LimeWire was a free peer-to-peer file sharing system for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, and certain other operating systems.

At one point in its 10-year existence, the Limewire program was thought to have been downloaded to about one-third of all personal computers worldwide, according to digital music tracker Big Champagne.

On his blog, George Searle, the CEO of parent company, Lime Co., wrote: "As of today, we are required to stop distribution and support of LimeWire’s P2P file-sharing service as a result of a court-ordered injunction."

"At this time, we have no option but to cease further distribution and support of our software," he added.

Media reports have speculated that the site will reopen later this year as a copyright-friendly service.

Mr Searle said the company has plans to resurrect the site, but did not provide details.

"We remain deeply committed to working with the music industry and making the act of loving music more fulfilling for everyone – including artists, songwriters, publishers, labels, and of course music fans," he wrote.

"Our team of technologists and music enthusiasts are creating a completely new music service that puts you back at the center of your digital music experience."

Source: http://www.news.com.au/technology/court-orders-limewire-to-shut-down/story-e6frfro0-1225944094935

Discuss…

What would happen if I decided to open limewire right now? Any ideas? I'm not going to, jw. I'm uninstalling it right now.

About time.

From: Runescape Pro
What would happen if I decided to open limewire right now? Any ideas? I'm not going to, jw. I'm uninstalling it right now.

Limewire calls home and says "you may not use anymore", and closes.

Also, Gnutella is decentralized. Pretty much impossible to shutdown. All they will manage to do is shutdown client operators. It's a losing battle.

I do find it somewhat humorous that Limewire hired such crap lawyers. I have no idea about EFF's policies, but I think they could have gotten them to defend them if they tried. A software author should never be responsible for the actions of its users, especially in such a case like P2P. Limewire was not hosting any illegal content, nor even peering any of it. Someone should try to use this precedent to get an injunction against Microsoft for selling Windows… many people use Windows for illegal activities. So what?…

I think this will drive Itunes sale up for the time being, and also isnt Thepiratebay having the same problems? (yay for being a member of a private torrenting site) i guess people that are not that computer literate will have to find a new way to get free music,movies, ect.

From: Failpailirl
I think this will drive Itunes sale up for the time being, and also isnt Thepiratebay having the same problems? (yay for being a member of a private torrenting site) i guess people that are not that computer literate will have to find a new way to get free music,movies, ect.

I'm computer literate and I use TPB, I just can't get a demonoid invite :mad:

From: TomTuff
I'm computer literate and I use TPB, I just can't get a demonoid invite :mad:

PMed lol.

All those users will now flood somewhere. I wonder when Soulseek will become huge (again)? It was the BEST for music. You could find any band… I found one that was disbanded from 20 years ago and found demo tapes from them on that thing.

Damn. A good percentage of my work is removing malware downloaded with limewire. Shouldn't be that long until the average user figures out another way though.

I love open source programs running distributed networking protocols that don't rely on any central server that could be shut down.

Consider two arguments:

1. People break the law with a perfectly legal program and the author of that program is sued and blamed for it?
2. Can the government sue the auto industry for drug trafficking? Most drug trafficking is done with some type of vehicle, certainly the auto industry is to blame, right?

Aren't both arguments equivalent? If number 1 holds then shouldn't number 2?

The internet is a boundless corrupted source of pleasure that can't be controlled by man's silly laws. I lol'd, limewire sucks anyways, 50% malicious files.

Ahh, the limewire debate. Hollywood should just realize already that their business method is outdated and will never work in these times. It HAS BEEN PROVEN over and over and over again that offering your files for free download can still make you just as much money. (Trent Renzor and many others)

Limewire truelly wasn't great anyways. It was just the "popular software" used by all the "popular kids" thinking they were all the shit with computers because they used limewire. IMO good riddance, but they will flock somewhere else and I really hope it's not to something that is good.

From: IceFire908
The internet is a boundless corrupted source of pleasure that can't be controlled by man's silly laws. I lol'd, limewire sucks anyways, 50% malicious files.

Gah silly phone clicking wrong button…. Icefire I nostalgia'd hard… What is your Avvy from?

From: Mr.Klean
Ahh, the limewire debate. Hollywood should just realize already that their business method is outdated and will never work in these times. It HAS BEEN PROVEN over and over and over again that offering your files for free download can still make you just as much money. (Trent Renzor and many others)

Limewire truelly wasn't great anyways. It was just the "popular software" used by all the "popular kids" thinking they were all the shit with computers because they used limewire. IMO good riddance, but they will flock somewhere else and I really hope it's not to something that is good.

+1

And wow, one third of all computers! They should have bundled it with a trojan!

Sites go up and down. Programs go up and down.

People are just going to get more creative and learn more things about computers. Yes, now I will get to deal with more and more noobs getting viruses on their machines.

Personally, I never use limewire, so it doesn't affect me in that direct sense. TPB has gone out a few times, I am not sure how secure it is… for being illegal and all o.0

From: Boreas
Damn. A good percentage of my work is removing malware downloaded with limewire. Shouldn't be that long until the average user figures out another way though.

So funny and true at the same time.

Especially when the download like "Biance.mp3.exe"

I read in the paper the other day that the number-1 album on the charts in Australia that week sold only 3000 or so copies - which was enough to make it number 1. The capitalistic music industry is dead, lol.

From: Mr.Klean
What is your Avvy from?

Good old show Megas XLR

From: Daniel
Source: http://www.news.com.au/technology/court-orders-limewire-to-shut-down/story-e6frfro0-1225944094935

Discuss…

That is not a good news for me…
Limewire is a great program. I've been using it for almost 3 years already.

Limewire was crap anyway

go to newsgroups :D

newzbin and astraweb, best combination eva!!

~shut

From: stephaniecourson
That is not a good news for me…
Limewire is a great program. I've been using it for almost 3 years already.

Which is why it is a good thing it got shut down, so that you can branch out and find other methods that are better and faster.

I use Vuze to find/download/extract musicly inclined torrents, and if I download a movie I use Vuze too.

I have a demonoid accnt as well

From: mormonman
Which is why it is a good thing it got shut down, so that you can branch out and find other methods that are better and faster.

such as newsgroups ;)

~shut

Can someone shoot me a demonoid invite?

From: mormonman
Can someone shoot me a demonoid invite?

sent

also if you MUST use limewire then you can use frostwire instead ;)

Demonoid is open for registration right now :) :)

Yeah limewire was pretty terrible.

What exactly is a newsgroup? this is new to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup#Binary_newsgroups

That should get you started

From: Smartzkid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup#Binary_newsgroups

That should get you started

the first one is best for describing what a usenet is
the second one is the best description on how you would use it

~shut

EDIT:
If you do choose usenet, then go with astraweb through here http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html
i think newzbin registration is closed so let me know if you want a invite
and for the news client, i use grabit/sabnzbd

From: Shuttleu
the first one is best for describing what a usenet is
the second one is the best description on how you would use it

~shut

EDIT:
If you do choose usenet, then go with astraweb through here http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html
i think newzbin registration is closed so let me know if you want a invite
and for the news client, i use grabit/sabnzbd

I had read those two articles before I had even posted and to me they seemed to pretty much describe a forum. Right after I posted I joined newzbin so I'm guess the registration was open :P I'll check astraweb out too. Joining newzbin pretty much gave me a feel for what it is. pretty neat

From: doublex8
I had read those two articles before I had even posted and to me they seemed to pretty much describe a forum. Right after I posted I joined newzbin so I'm guess the registration was open :P I'll check astraweb out too. Joining newzbin pretty much gave me a feel for what it is. pretty neat

ok well if you need any help on setting anything up or just want to know something then let me know and i will answer them as fast as i can
astraweb is one of the best newsgroup servers around, for $11 or ~£7 you can have unlimited downloads, no speed limit (it will go as fast as your internet will allow) and around 810 days of retention (as of writing this post). the retention is constantly rising

~shut

Three words:

Limewire Pirate Edition

From: Smartzkid
Three words:

Limewire Pirate Edition

Huh? what is that?

A fork of limewire.

From: IceFire908
The internet is a boundless corrupted source of pleasure that can't be controlled by man's silly laws. I lol'd, limewire sucks anyways, 50% malicious files.

Even though this was posted a long time ago; I don't think that it is uncontrollable by man's laws. All it takes is ISP's (and Microsoft) to agree to filter whatever the government enforces on them. Do you think China is failing in blocking tons of sites and proxies? I'd say they're doing a pretty good job (in a bad way, obviously) in keeping their inhabitants from a lot of places on the internet. The only people with freedom left will be the highly computer literate linux users. :3

Until the government teams up with M$ to DDOS you bitches!

Watches in awe as zombie hoard approaches

E:

From: doublex8
Yeah limewire was pretty terrible.

What exactly is a newsgroup? this is new to me.

http://www.slyck.com/

While I haven't watched any, this site seems to have some good videos.

From: Wizzup?
A fork of limewire.



Even though this was posted a long time ago; I don't think that it is uncontrollable by man's laws. All it takes is ISP's (and Microsoft) to agree to filter whatever the government enforces on them. Do you think China is failing in blocking tons of sites and proxies? I'd say they're doing a pretty good job (in a bad way, obviously) in keeping their inhabitants from a lot of places on the internet. The only people with freedom left will be the highly computer literate linux users. :3

so its like frostwire? by the way anybody know if that is still up? i used to use it back in the day.

AFAIK Frostwire is still being actively developed

Why anyone would want to use frostwire instead of torrents is beyond me…

From: doublex8
Why anyone would want to use frostwire instead of torrents is beyond me…

Oh the ignorant…frostwire supports torrent downloading. Just saying. I don't use it, I use bittorrent…but still.

From: mormonman
Oh the ignorant…frostwire supports torrent downloading. Just saying. I don't use it, I use bittorrent…but still.

Has it always? I saw a friend using it when it first came out and I didn't see any support for torrents. Yeah I don't think I'll ever use anything besides uTorrent unless something would happen to it.

From: doublex8
Has it always? I saw a friend using it when it first came out and I didn't see any support for torrents. Yeah I don't think I'll ever use anything besides uTorrent unless something would happen to it.

No not always, but it downloads a lot slower than utorrent or bittorrent for me at least.

http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf

I dont find the need to torrent like one song, as if it were a whole album or discography, that i would use torrents for

i only ever used frostwire and limewire because i wanted to download single individual songs. and dling the torrent file, opening it up, then it dling, is slower than just double clicking a file.

Why would you just want one song? I suppose I'm wierd that way but I will always download a whole cd, If I like a song I always want to see if I'll like more :)

Limewire Private Edition is out, but I wouldn't recommend it. At All.

I have a feeling the government is behind it, and you downloading songs off it, is a lawsuit on the way to your house. Or the FBI..

lol. People are downloading it and using it, but unless u live in another country, then i guess your Okay. But don't take my word for it…

Squancy, don't be ridiculous ;)

If I ever want a single song, I use Saver2 - it lets you rip grooveshark, pandora, and many more.

thanks for the useful link!

Although i just used demonoid to downlod 2 albums!

One of biggie smalls and one of tupac!

R.I.P. Both!!!

Haha I hope you downloaded FLAC? ;)

Just a side note on Saver2. It's awesome! While the bitrate depends on the service, I increased my library by more than 20, 000 songs legally (technically ;)). I can proudly say I no longer stream music over the internet to my computer - other than to rip more music, that is!

From: Smartzkid
Haha I hope you downloaded FLAC? ;)

Just a side note on Saver2. It's awesome! While the bitrate depends on the service, I increased my library by more than 20, 000 songs legally (technically ;)). I can proudly say I no longer stream music over the internet to my computer - other than to rip more music, that is!

is it really that easy to get music off of there? is it just you like copy and paste a link or something into the program and it downloads it for you?

and how is it legally? you got the song for free didnt you?

Technically, it isn't illegal, because the music is being legally served to you through agreements the streaming services have with the record labels. What you do with the stream when it reaches your computer is irrelevant - most people push it right out to speakers, but there's nothing legally awry if you save them it to disk.


It works as a proxy; you visit your music streaming site in a specially configured browser, and it grabs the song streams as they are loaded. It includes firefox portable, but you could also install an extension such as quickproxy to use it in your main firefox installation.

It's nice because you have a few options: use grooveshark to get specific songs, use pandora to get entire genres, use slacker to get specific artists, etc.

In addition, Saver2 comes with a no-flash pandora player that does not require a browser to play music through. Another benefit: you can download more than one stream at a time. You would be surprised how quickly you can attain music when you're ripping from four services at once! And don't forget the pandora client's turbo mode - it rips each song as soon as it is fully buffered, and then it skips to the next song. Did I mention it also removes the pandora skip limit?

That sounds pretty interesting…although im pretty happy with the selection of private torrent sites I have atm.

holy hell, Saver2 sounds awesome…

Im going to go get my grooveshark on

Learn to frostwire

frostwire is just the same as Limewire!

Its only a matter of time till they get a lawsuit!

I'm not sure about Pandora, but I know Grooveshark users upload all of the music onto Grooveshark. Personally, I wouldn't want to download music from there because that system makes it hard to control quality.

Great idea for a nice service and allows you to build a repertoire of music very quickly. Great for listening to music when you do not have access to your library - otherwise I think I will stick to other sources.

As well, I have no idea what happens to songs that are added to these services. For all I know they could be re-encoded a second time.

Dunno, but Pandora with no listening limit or ads just makes the world sparkle

From: Squancy
frostwire is just the same as Limewire!

Its only a matter of time till they get a lawsuit!

That's where the beauty of open source might save them.