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Alien life on Earth uncovered


Daniel

2010-09-04 01:15:56


ALIEN life may already exist on Earth - us.

There's an idea - common, but not popular in scientific circles - that all life on Earth was seeded from comets, asteroids or meteors which struck the planet and contained the building blocks necessary to kickstart the evolutionary process.

It's called "panspermia" and it caused an all-in boffin barney some 15 years ago when several scientists backed claims there was evidence of life in a Martian meteorite found in the Allan Hills in Antarctica.

It's been proven that life can survive in space, just as it's been proven that the interior of the Mars meteorite never rose above 50C during its journey to Earth.

Unfortunately for alien-spotters, those cells can also be found on Earth, so the argument's never been settled.

Then in July 2001, the rain turned red in India.

And not just red - The Hindu claimed witness reports of yellow, green and black rain in the months that followed.

The first theory to emerge was that it was simply sand or dust picked up from a desert, but a local physicist, Godfrey Louis, found that under a microscope, the water contained cells that looked like bugs.

Five years later, he published a theory suggesting the bugs that turned the rain red in India may have come from a comet that exploded above the Earth and seeded clouds.

Today, after a further four years of studying the cells, joined by a leading panspermia theorist from the UK, Chandra Wickramasinghe, Professor Louis has published claims that they are unlike anything found on Earth.

He says the cells - inert at room temperature - begin to reproduce at 121C.

Within two hours of being exposed to the heat, "daughter cells appear within the original mother cells and the number of cells in the samples increases with length of exposure", they say in the new report.

While many spores on Earth can survive that kind of extreme heat, none have yet been discovered that can reproduce in those conditions, much less require it to begin reproducing.

The team also found an unusual pattern in the way the cells changed colour under UV light, known as "fluorescence behaviour".

They said it was "in remarkable correspondence" with red emissions from the Red Rectangle planetary nebula some 2300 light years away, "suggesting, though not proving, an extraterrestrial origin".

While the panspermia angle is already being rejected by the scientific community at large, there's plenty of interest in the final finding of Prof Louis's team - the cells contain no DNA.

"As a biologist, let me assure you that a cell-sized and shaped organism that reproduces, lives off LB and doesn't appear to have any nucleic acid template (DNA or RNA) is a revolutionary discovery in and of itself," one commenter wrote at TechnologyReview.

The only lifeforms that occur on Earth without DNA, according to another commenter, are proteins known as "prions", best known on Earth as the cause of Mad Cow Disease.

The team's findings are yet to be verified.


Source: http://www.news.com.au/technology/panspermia-theorists-say-indias-red-rain-contains-life-not-seen-on-earth/story-e6frfro0-1225913620448

Discuss…

"The team's findings are yet to be verified." is a key point.

kingarabian

2010-09-04 01:19:45

I believe Ghosts and Jins exist on earth, those are aliens too right?

i luffs yeww

2010-09-04 02:04:03

What's a "Jin?" I saw "Jinn" and I assume that's what you meant, as it mentioned Islam.

Anyway, no, those are not aliens (at least ghosts wouldn't be if they existed). Aliens are life forms that are extra terrestrial. Anything that doesn't come from our planet (life forms) would be "aliens." Ghosts are (usually) based on souls of dead humans, which means they aren't aliens. (Humans come from our planet.)

Anyway, cool. The only interesting part to me was the bugs' lack of DNA/RNA.

Gu3st...

2010-09-04 03:35:48

This is interesting! :)
Looking forward to read more about this

The Claw

2010-09-04 06:47:43

If alien life is defined as cells that can reproduce and live in specific conditions on a rock in space, then arent we alien life?

tarajunky

2010-09-04 12:13:42

"2.1 Cell Culure
Red rain samples (500μl) were inoculated into the 5ml of sterile Luria Bertani (LB) medium (containing, sodium chloride, 10g; peptone,10g; yeast extract, 5g; ditilled water 1liter, pH-7.0). Inoculated samples were separately autocalved for 0.5, 1 hour, 1:30 hour, 2 hours at 121oC. The number of cells present following this treatment was then determined using an heamocytometer (Thomas, Weber, England, depth 0.1mm, 1/400mm2). Cells were counted three times separately and an average of three counts was taken in order to calculate the number of cells in each ml. Uninoculated LB medium(5ml) was included as a control."

Lots of typos in the final PDF version of the manuscript. Not very encouraging…

Gold

2010-09-04 13:09:38

From: The Claw
If alien life is defined as cells that can reproduce and live in specific conditions on a rock in space, then arent we alien life?


No, as luffs said. Alien life is a lifeform that comes from another planet/ IE: Not native to earth.

Daniel

2010-09-04 18:51:40

From: goldrush655
No, as luffs said. Alien life is a lifeform that comes from another planet/ IE: Not native to earth.


And he's saying if life as we know it did indeed come from comets, then we are aliens (not native to this planet).

…Right?

Smartzkid

2010-09-05 00:19:16

A technicality not really worth considering.. however, you can look it up in a dictionary if you want to get really picky.

Neat article, thanks for posting.

Awkwardsaw

2010-09-05 00:29:13

very very old theory is very very old. although still cool. :)

we had lots of disscussions about this in last years bio class

it also doesnt help answer how life started in the first place(unless i skipped it in the article, which i wouldn't doubt :p)

The Claw

2010-09-05 02:15:36

From: tarajunky
"2.1 Cell Culure
Red rain samples (500μl) were inoculated into the 5ml of sterile Luria Bertani (LB) medium (containing, sodium chloride, 10g; peptone,10g; yeast extract, 5g; ditilled water 1liter, pH-7.0). Inoculated samples were separately autocalved for 0.5, 1 hour, 1:30 hour, 2 hours at 121oC. The number of cells present following this treatment was then determined using an heamocytometer (Thomas, Weber, England, depth 0.1mm, 1/400mm2). Cells were counted three times separately and an average of three counts was taken in order to calculate the number of cells in each ml. Uninoculated LB medium(5ml) was included as a control."

Lots of typos in the final PDF version of the manuscript. Not very encouraging…


Yeah, the amount of water a theory holds definately depends on their spell-checking program

[QUOTE=Dan's The Man;734994]And he's saying if life as we know it did indeed come from comets, then we are aliens (not native to this planet).

…Right?

I'm saying the Earth itself is a rock in space that grows life. Like comets, other planets, etc. Life is life, not really much point in differentiating "alien" and "human"…to the "aliens" we're the "aliens". :)

From the cells on the comet's point of view, if they were concious as they pass the earth - "hey look at all those pink hairy things running around building stuff". Our view - "hey look at those alien cells on that rock floating past"

Brain

2010-09-05 02:26:39

you guys should use the more politically correct term "extraterrestrial" around The Claw as opposed to that old derogatory term "alien", he's sensitive.

And in the real world, spelling will make any professional document look terrible, regardless of how trivial.

(misspell stuff on a resume and see if you get the job)

The Claw

2010-09-05 02:50:25

From: Brain
you guys should use the more politically correct term "extraterrestrial" around The Claw as opposed to that old derogatory term "alien", he's sensitive.


Sorry, did I press your button?
ET….phonee…home….

From: Brain
And in the real world, spelling will make any professional document look terrible, regardless of how trivial.

(misspell stuff on a resume and see if you get the job)


Oh dear. Something looks "terrible"! This applicant is retarded, this scientist is unworthy. Right?

Brain

2010-09-05 14:49:56

From: The Claw
Sorry, did I press your button?
ET….phonee…home….
Oh dear. Something looks "terrible"! This applicant is retarded, this scientist is unworthy. Right?


Nope, just being sarcastic :p And yeah, that's about right.

tarajunky

2010-09-06 00:34:27

Sloppy writing implies sloppy thinking.

And it also suggests that they did not have many/any other scientists critique the manuscript before sending it in.

And it also suggests that the reviewers (if there were any) did not do a very good job.

The Claw

2010-09-06 01:54:38

From: tarajunky
Sloppy writing implies sloppy thinking.

And it also suggests that they did not have many/any other scientists critique the manuscript before sending it in.

And it also suggests that the reviewers (if there were any) did not do a very good job.


Which has absolutely nothing to do with the content of the paper and the ideas it represents.

Smartzkid

2010-09-07 19:33:19

However, it does not lend much credibility to the scientific processes that were used to support the theory.

The Claw

2010-09-08 05:11:45

Spelling doesn't neccessarily give credibility, though. I guess errors can make you doubt the amount of care/time they put in to writing the report but it doesn't affect the scientific method, or the science, that the words are representing.