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Just to give you guys a lil nudge… you were kinda rough on him.

He went through the trouble of adding everything into its correct place and checking it compiles, and you nearly ate his head off for now posting the record.

Yeah, would've kinda been easier on the eye if he posted the record, but be more smooth about it next time ;) And as Coh3n pointed out, it gets HIM more involved.

Any help that comes our way is welcome.

~RM

"Well thank you, not at all necessary, but appreciated :)"

I wasn't meaning to go at him at all if that's what I sounded like. I like Shuttleu, always have. I was just kind of thrown off by him posting all of that instead of just the record I guess, My bad :/

I dont like how he's so full of himself and didn't even test it but told us it was perfect and to do it. He's been a dick to myself and people I respect lately, I've lost that respect for him, and I don't want him telling us how to do what we know how to do.

I'll just not reply to him anymore, I don't want us to look bad as a group.

Ps- Garrett ;)

Garrett, you didn't need to respond the way you did, as he did merely post something that was of value to the community.

Leave your outside comments outside! (As you suggested..)

I don't think NCDS really did anything here..

I'm back!
Job finished!

From: Naum
I'm back!
Job finished!

Not sure what that has to do with this, but I'm extremely glad your back :) missed you!

Has completely nothing to do with thread

Hey Naum!

Wow, Nava, that is the greatest avatar ever!

From: Nava2
Garrett, you didn't need to respond the way you did, as he did merely post something that was of value to the community.

Leave your outside comments outside! (As you suggested..)

Wait, what?

I looked back on it and no, I didn't actually fuck up.

Shut are you an SL? Your title is wrong if you are.. :\

And if you aren't, you shouldn't just post the files and say "HERE THIS IS RIGHT", from my point of view..

I asked if he was an SL because he was trying to push a file on us (without testing it, without telling us what was changed at all) and had avoided the topic of whether or not he tested it until like an hour later.. It didn't even compile when he tried to say "Just put these files in your msi and it will work".

Honestly? Someone should have gotten pissed at him. I though we only wanted good code in the include? His would have made it not compile anymore, and wasn't even tested.

So when I said that he shouldn't just push it on us and say it's right, then ignore our questions and say "Oh yeah btw what I uploaded wasn't even working, and I didn't test or even compile it" is a dick move on his part, and I shouldn't be the one getting told off for it. If I had done something wrong, I would take the blame, but I obviously didn't.

My next post was:

Sorry, I meant MSI scripting leader, the ones who do the bulk of scripting.

I was confused, not trying to insult you. I just thought you seemed like "This is it, now use it" kinda thing, I guess I was mistaken.

So really though, maybe it should be mentioned that I sounded mean the first post, but I clarified myself, and told that he was doing something useful by posting code that didn't work, and that I messed up.

Garrett, the point of SLs is that they DO CHECK the code that other users submit. So yeah.

We're happy if everything works and so on, and has been tested, blablabla, but in the end it still is our job to make sure it compiles.

And you're looking at his post differently than most people, because of this personal bias.

And if you aren't, you shouldn't just post the files and say "HERE THIS IS RIGHT", from my point of view..

That's your view..

Hey guys, I added some shit, I think it all went in the correct places and it should work, so please have a look at it and let me know :)

is my view.

and he said:

i added PS Yews

here are the files that were edited

So yeah, it could've gone both ways, but if you look at the rest of his posts on MSI…

~RM

From: Rasta Magician

So yeah, it could've gone both ways, but if you look at the rest of his posts on MSI…

~RM

And if you look at the rest of his posts in the last month or so… ;)

He's been a cocky bastard with not much to back it up, which is something that he has to grow out of, or he will get reminders from me again that he shouldn't throw it at us.

My main point for being upset at him was that he told us he added it, and here are the files, and my first assumption was that he had tested it if he added things in there, and that he had at least checked if it would compile, otherwise he was creating more work for us than posting just the TScript of it, but he didn't do any of that, and added something else somewhere (forget the exact example, it's in that thread though) that he didn't even say was in there. Us adding code directly from files would let people implement rogue code that could do things we don't really want to happen.. Same reason we don't let people commit directly to the revisions. Checking over 5 different files for hidden nasties isn't my cup of tea, I'd rather someone post the code and we add it rather than at a later date them saying "Oh yeah, btw this and this are wrong in what I posted without checking, and I added this and this that I didn't tell you about".

He also could have posted a diff which would have eased the addition.

Diffs are definitely under used.

From: Nava2
He also could have posted a diff which would have eased the addition.

Diffs are definitely under used.

Probably because not many people know how to make one. =\

From: Coh3n
Probably because not many people know how to make one. =\

And because some people don't know how to read them properly..



~RM

From: Shuttleu
Hi

im Shuttleu (in more places than just on here)
as you can see i am a good scripter, hence the "SRL Members" status ;)

if you ever need any help with anything then just let me know and i will try to help you ASAP

oh, and welcome to Villavu

~shut

Grr..

From: Nava2
Grr..

Lol I think he's a decent scripter, but apparently a little full of himself. :p

From: Coh3n
Lol I think he's a decent scripter, but apparently a little full of himself. :p

my point haha.

If we let him in SL, I'm done.

I sound like a douche, but MSI SL is the best private-ish forum (in terms of activity, community, helpfulness, etc) that I have access to, allow a dick head in here and I don't want to be a part of it.

From: 3Garrett3
If we let him in SL, I'm done.

I sound like a douche, but MSI SL is the best private-ish forum (in terms of activity, community, helpfulness, etc) that I have access to, allow a dick head in here and I don't want to be a part of it.

ultimatums usually don't get you anywhere, friend.

I agree though.. FUCK HIM.

From: 3Garrett3
If we let him in SL, I'm done.

I sound like a douche, but MSI SL is the best private-ish forum (in terms of activity, community, helpfulness, etc) that I have access to, allow a dick head in here and I don't want to be a part of it.

From: Nava2
ultimatums usually don't get you anywhere, friend.

I agree though.. FUCK HIM.

Nava's right. Where did that come from anyways Garrett? I agree with you, I don't feel Shuttleu is fit to be an SL based on just his attitude, but that's not the right way to go about it really.

Didn't se the white text at first Nava >.<

I know his quite immature and really full of himself, but he's helping out MSI which is ultimately what we want, right? I'm not saying I want him to be an SL. His personality needs to change A LOT before that can happen, but he does seem to know the include pretty well, and we can use all the help we can get.

Yes, he can give us code all he wants, I'm not complaining about that. But MSI SL is a great little minigroup that we have, free from egos. I've heard that SSRL and up is full of ego and bullshit still, and MSI doesn't have that, which I like, and I don't want him here :)

From: 3Garrett3
Yes, he can give us code all he wants, I'm not complaining about that. But MSI SL is a great little minigroup that we have, free from egos. I've heard that SSRL and up is full of ego and bullshit still, and MSI doesn't have that, which I like, and I don't want him here :)

Er.. not really…

From: Nava2
Er.. not really…

Not really, to what part?

No lie, quotes get out from SSRL and devs at some points, and the egos seem to flair up there quite a bit.

From: 3Garrett3
Not really, to what part?

No lie, quotes get out from SSRL and devs at some points, and the egos seem to flair up there quite a bit.

Please don't talk about such an sensitive issue, it's hotter than justin bieber raping.
Oh and also, ironically, this bitching about shut's attitude makes this place sound more like ssrl…
Just saying lol…

Could someone point out where SSRL/Devs is more… immature?… then members?

The same political BS happens everywhere.

From: Nava2
Could someone point out where SSRL/Devs is more… immature?… then members?

The same political BS happens everywhere.

I couldn't because I'm not SSRL. I've heard it's a shit show.

@Naum,

Hahah "Don't talk about this" *Proceeds to talk about it* <3

What you've heard and what it is are different. Try not to show your ignorance, friend. Its not a good look for you.

From: Nava2
What you've heard and what it is are different. Try not to show your ignorance, friend. Its not a good look for you.

Well until I see different, I know what quotes I've seen and heard. I'm a man who believes the evidence, not a single opinion ;).

asdf

SSRL+ runs this forum. It clearly can't be that bad to maintain such a successful community, and it really isn't, just a few select people with the 'ego'' problem, but people like that are generally denied access.

Oh god, I had to scroll up to check that this was indeed in SL & PM forum <_>
Phew…

Oh and btw; I don't have much against shuttleu… What did he do wrong? is it his attitude you guys don't like?

From: Zyt3x
Oh god, I had to scroll up to check that this was indeed in SL & PM forum <_>
Phew…

Oh and btw; I don't have much against shuttleu… What did he do wrong? is it his attitude you guys don't like?

The thread isn't too long to read, you could understand fully if you read it.

I'll explain the best I can though, using this one quote:

From: Shuttleu
Hi

im Shuttleu (in more places than just on here)
as you can see i am a good scripter, hence the "SRL Members" status ;)

if you ever need any help with anything then just let me know and i will try to help you ASAP

oh, and welcome to Villavu

~shut

Basically he's a cocky bitch, and (personal opinion) he has nothing to back up his talk..

E:

Oh and the point of this thread was that we aggressively told him to get off his high horse, and shouldn't have.

Heh. I'm going to be quite blunt here, which is unusual for me, but I see a lot of shit on this thread.

Who the fuck are you to be talking down Shuttleu so badly, Garrett?

Yeah, MSI SL gets their own private forums. But that seems to have boosted someone's ego, who then goes to compare it to SSRL's ego, without actually being part of SSRL.

As for him being a cocky bitch, I've seen an awful lot of good code from him, which is more than enough to back up his good scripter point.

Could he be more modest? Sure.

But I do think you crossed one of those lines when you go trashing someone like this.



And, just to make a final point, I made this thread about the agressive attitude towards him. I think the contents of this thread prove my point more than well enough. I think you need to learn to distance yourself, this is the internet after all.

Yup, I was harsh here. Sucks.

~RM

From: 3Garrett3
The thread isn't too long to read, you could understand fully if you read it.

I'll explain the best I can though, using this one quote:



Basically he's a cocky bitch, and (personal opinion) he has nothing to back up his talk..

E:

Oh and the point of this thread was that we aggressively told him to get off his high horse, and shouldn't have.

Waaayy out of line.

Also, personally, I don't see where I said anything mean to him at all. So s/we/I/

From: Rasta Magician
Heh. I'm going to be quite blunt here, which is unusual for me, but I see a lot of shit on this thread.

Who the fuck are you to be talking down Shuttleu so badly, Garrett?

Yeah, MSI SL gets their own private forums. But that seems to have boosted someone's ego, who then goes to compare it to SSRL's ego, without actually being part of SSRL.

As for him being a cocky bitch, I've seen an awful lot of good code from him, which is more than enough to back up his good scripter point.

Could he be more modest? Sure.

But I do think you crossed one of those lines when you go trashing someone like this.



And, just to make a final point, I made this thread about the agressive attitude towards him. I think the contents of this thread prove my point more than well enough. I think you need to learn to distance yourself, this is the internet after all.

Yup, I was harsh here. Sucks.

~RM

I guess I'll just reply to each of your points:

I personally didn't think I was talking down to him. I was talking normal to him, like he was a normal being in the universe, not "I'm a really great scripter, look at my SRL Member status :)". I'd enjoy a quote where I specifically say "I'M BETTER THAN YOU, DEAL WITH IT BITCH!".

A quote of me flaunting my ego around, please.

As to the SSRL post, I've got to thinking, and what I meant was pretty much exactly what you see here, in this exact thread. We are generally private, and shit is happening that wouldn't happen in a public setting. The stuff that gets shown to me from SSRL is largely like this, people being dick heads when they wouldn't in public. That was my point, and it's being proven in this thread.

He hasn't proven himself with any super-l33t code that would merit him bragging his skill up to people, and even irl I hate people who brag and act cocky, no matter who they are. Negative attitudes get you nowhere in life.

I'm not sure what you mean by distance myself. Not talk to him? :\

PS- Harsh RM needs to show up more often, I rather enjoy the attitude of not fucking around. And no, it doesn't suck. :)

E: NCDS:

Wha? I posted the exact same quote as someone else did, and then said he was cocky and I don't think he's good enough to brag. People like RM, Coh3n, yourself, Wizzy, they are skilled enough to brag, he isn't. And by saying "we" I mean that RM called both of us out, even though I didn't think I was a dick to him either. So s/we/nobody, whatever you wanna say.

From: 3Garrett3

E: NCDS:

Wha? I posted the exact same quote as someone else did, and then said he was cocky and I don't think he's good enough to brag. People like RM, Coh3n, yourself, Wizzy, they are skilled enough to brag, he isn't. And by saying "we" I mean that RM called both of us out, even though I didn't think I was a dick to him either. So s/we/nobody, whatever you wanna say.

"Basically he's a cocky bitch," That's what I meant as out of line ;)

From: NCDS
"Basically he's a cocky bitch," That's what I meant as out of line ;)

Oh. I considered it not a big deal. My bad. Uhh, I'd edit the post but everyone has seen it already.

You missed my first point.

Talking him down (HERE IN MSI FORUMS) not on that thread. Quote? Check NCDS' post.
Also: You might want to check the exact meaning of talking down someone / trash talking someone.

Then, just because you haven't seen good code from him, doesn't mean I haven't, and that many others haven't.

Then, SSRL is a place of arguing decisions for the future of SRL. So yes, it's bleeding obvious that everyone will be posting their thoughts about SOCIAL MATTERS, and those are of course rather different in context to the ones in MSI, as these are about scripts, includes, etc.

By distance: Don't let some random guy behind a god damned computer piss you off so much.

And finally, harsh RM only shows up when RM sees what to him is a big fuck up. Harsh RM showing up is not good. And now you got me talking of me in the third person. >.>

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
You missed my first point.

Talking him down (HERE IN MSI FORUMS) not on that thread. Quote? Check NCDS' post.
Also: You might want to check the exact meaning of talking down someone / trash talking someone.

Then, just because you haven't seen good code from him, doesn't mean I haven't, and that many others haven't.

Then, SSRL is a place of arguing decisions for the future of SRL. So yes, it's bleeding obvious that everyone will be posting their thoughts about SOCIAL MATTERS, and those are of course rather different in context to the ones in MSI, as these are about scripts, includes, etc.

By distance: Don't let some random guy behind a god damned computer piss you off so much.

And finally, harsh RM only shows up when RM sees what to him is a big fuck up. Harsh RM showing up is not good. And now you got me talking of me in the third person. >.>

~RM

Oh, I can agree lots of shit is/went down this thread, if that's what you wanted me to say :p.

Yeah, I talked down about him in this thread, nbd. I know what it means. I'm a master at the ol chirps in hockey.

I'm just gonna let you know that you brought this thread into MSI, not me. Sure, SSRL might like to gossip (bluntly put version of "social matters") and such, but it's the same as talking about anything here. If it were about social matters, it would be called the Red Hatters Club, or Miss Muffit's Chatterbox Meeting, not SSRL. I'm sure more important things than the social matters of the forums were intended for SSRL, and it certainly wasn't meant for people to be dicks about things behind closed doors.

@Harsh RM - Distance yourself good sir.

From: 3Garrett3
Yes, he can give us code all he wants, I'm not complaining about that. But MSI SL is a great little minigroup that we have, free from egos. I've heard that SSRL and up is full of ego and bullshit still, and MSI doesn't have that, which I like, and I don't want him here :)

This isn't really the case. It is true that sensitive matters are settled there, but there are hardly any fights, if it all. Perhaps heated discussions but we all respect each other.

From: 3Garrett3
Oh, I can agree lots of shit is/went down this thread, if that's what you wanted me to say :p.

Yeah, I talked down about him in this thread, nbd. I know what it means. I'm a master at the ol chirps in hockey.

I'm just gonna let you know that you brought this thread into MSI, not me. Sure, SSRL might like to gossip (bluntly put version of "social matters") and such, but it's the same as talking about anything here. If it were about social matters, it would be called the Red Hatters Club, or Miss Muffit's Chatterbox Meeting, not SSRL. I'm sure more important things than the social matters of the forums were intended for SSRL, and it certainly wasn't meant for people to be dicks about things behind closed doors.

@Harsh RM - Distance yourself good sir.

I don't really understand why you have such a "low" interpretation of the people/thing's discussed in SSRL.

SSRL really is just a place to discuss 'Social Matters' as well as get educated opinions on SRL related topics, whether it be forum or include related. Mainly just forum stuff though. Still, you really shouldn't judge SSRL until you can see the whole story, as whoever is feeding you these thing's obviously isn't showing you all of it. Otherwise your opinion would be quite different I believe.

Excuse me Garrett, fuck you, you're talking about what you don't know.

Either learn about what you are talking about or don't talk about it because you have nothing to say.

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
Excuse me Garrett, fuck you, you're talking about what you don't know.

Either learn about what you are talking about or don't talk about it because you have nothing to say.

~RM

I have tons of things to say, however.

But whatever, I'm a huge fuck up apparently, and I will stop talking about things that I have opinions on.

But really, I've been cool headed this ENTIRE time, and then YOU attacked me (called out, spoke down, called me a fuck up) in this thread, and still have not let it go. Even though I argue my points, I don't let you phase me, something that you have clearly not learned in life. Now if you would kindly stop being pissy RM and go back to the RM that I love, I'd appreciate that. If you want me to tell you to fuck yourself, I can do that, but I honestly don't give a shit about that, I'd rather just have this settled. I always enjoy a good argument though, so we can argue and be assholes if you want.

Next time I'm a huge fuck up, PM me and tell me to not have an opinion, and we can yell at each other there, rather than on the forums, okay? Okay.

Yeah, you're right, pointless to flaunt this.

~RM

I looked into Shuttleu's threads and didn't find anything outrageously cocky?
He maybe called himself a good scripter but I don't think that's too bad. In fact that's just good. It makes him ambitious and produce lots of code, which is good.

And Garrett, just because you've seen some harsh quotes from SSRL doesn't mean that it's always like that. Of course you only see the exciting quotes, who would leak normal and mature conversation?

EDIT: I don't expect a reply.

From: marpis
I looked into Shuttleu's threads and didn't find anything outrageously cocky?
He maybe called himself a good scripter but I don't think that's too bad. In fact that's just good. It makes him ambitious and produce lots of code, which is good.

And Garrett, just because you've seen some harsh quotes from SSRL doesn't mean that it's always like that. Of course you only see the exciting quotes, who would leak normal and mature conversation?

EDIT: I don't expect a reply.

Does that mean "You shouldn't reply" in code? Okay, I'll just keep it to myself.

From: 3Garrett3
Does that mean "You shouldn't reply" in code? Okay, I'll just keep it to myself.

I didn't want to get into this fight, just stated my thoughts of Shut and corrected your somewhat false knowledge of SSRL forums.

I don't know about the MSI/Shut stuff but as far as the SSRL stuff goes (which I'm probably a bit late on); firstly quotes should not get leaked from SSRL, but logically quotes that are leaked are probably not leaked because they are mundane or normal.

For example

Nope. From the barrel they are worth 2gp each, The Claw and I just tried it.

(that's my own quote and I would be fine repeating it in public so it's ok) That quote would not get leaked because it's boring. So judging SSRL on leaked info gives a very skewed view.

From: Boreas
I don't know about the MSI/Shut stuff but as far as the SSRL stuff goes (which I'm probably a bit late on); firstly quotes should not get leaked from SSRL, but logically quotes that are leaked are probably not leaked because they are mundane or normal.

For example (that's my own quote and I would be fine repeating it in public so it's ok) That quote would not get leaked because it's boring. So judging SSRL on leaked info gives a very skewed view.

I don't know if I said "All of SSRL is a big ol fag box". I didn't really mean that, and that's not really what this topic was made about, it just happened to be a point that everyone ate asshole about.