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IRAN: Children beg for mother not to be stoned


Daniel

2010-07-05 00:29:52

An Iranian woman faces death by stoning after being convicted of adultery.

Amnesty International yesterday called on the Iranian authorities to halt the imminent execution of mother-of-two Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani and the hanging of another woman said to be a political activist.

Ashtiani was convicted of having an ‘illicit relationship’ with two men in May 2006 and received 99 lashes as her sentence.
Despite this, she has also been convicted of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning.

The 43-year-old has retracted a ‘confession’ she said was made under duress.

Appealing for help to the international community, her daughter, Farideh, 16, and son, Sajad, 20, said yesterday: ‘Please help end this nightmare and do not let it turn into a reality. Help us save our mother.’

Under Iran’s Islamic penal code, adultery is punishable by stoning to death or flogging, while hanging is the penalty for murder and other crimes such as drug trafficking.

Stoning sentences were widely carried out after Iran’s 1979 Islamic Revolution, but have been rare in recent years.

Men killed in this way are buried to the waist, while women are buried deeper, to stop the stones hitting their breasts.

If a prisoner manages to pull free during a stoning, he or she is acquitted or jailed, but is not executed. It is easier for a man to drag himself free because he is not buried so deeply.

In December 2008 a man convicted of adultery escaped death by stoning by dragging himself out of the pit he had been buried in for the punishment.

But two other alleged male adulterers were killed by the barbaric method in the same incident, which took place in the north-eastern city of Mashhad.

Iranian activists against stoning say it is not prescribed in the Koran.

Iran has the highest execution rate in the world.

Amnesty International has recorded 126 executions between January and June – among them five political prisoners.


Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1291166/Iranian-mother-faces-death-stoning-convicted-adultery.html

I hate countries that base their penalties around religion…

Update 8/06/2010: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/save-my-wife-stoning-lawyer-mohammad-mostafaie-pleads/story-e6frfku0-1225902269515?from=public_rss


THE human rights lawyer forced to flee Iran for defending a woman sentenced to death by stoning has appealed for international pressure to save his client and end his own wife’s imprisonment.

Speaking from the Turkish detention center where he is being held while his asylum application is considered, Mohammad Mostafaie said that he feared Turkey could still extradite him to preserve its close relations with the regime in Tehran.

He broke down when asked about his decision to leave behind his wife and seven-year-old daughter, saying that the subject was too painful for him to talk about. He was adamant that he would remain in exile until the rule of law was restored in Iran.

He insisted, however, that he had no regrets about his decision to broadcast the plight of his client, Sakineh Mohammadi-Ashtiani, to the world even though it had destroyed his former existence.

“I have no regrets at all. I would do it all over again, even if I’m forced to live outside Iran,” he said. “A lawyer is duty-bound to defend his client no matter what. If someone in Iran wants to be a lawyer they have to be prepared to go all the way, even if it means losing their life.”

Mostafaie’s defense of Mohammadi-Ashtiani, who already endured 99 lashes and five years’ imprisonment for alleged adultery, infuriated the regime.

Two weeks ago he went into hiding after a warrant was issued for his arrest, so the authorities took his wife hostage. He fled overland to Turkey, was arrested for entering that country illegally and is now being held in the Kumkapi detention centre in Istanbul while his asylum application is processed.

Mostafaie said he had no idea why he was not allowed to leave Turkey when he had a visa for countries of the EU’s Schengen area and Norway offered him residency. Nor did he know why he was being held when other Iranian refugees were allowed to live freely in Turkey while their asylum applications were reviewed.

The lawyer said it was “absolutely vital” that he did not turn himself in to secure his wife’s freedom. “They took my wife hostage to get hold of me. If I’d surrendered in that situation they would think they could do that to anyone. They’d go after the families of anyone they wanted to assist them.”

In Geneva yesterday, Mossadegh Kahnemoui, a senior Iranian judicial official, told a United Nations human rights committee that Mohammadi-Ashtiani's case was still under review and insisted, despite documentary evidence to the contrary, that she had been convicted of murdering her husband as well as adultery.


Update 12/08/2010: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/iran-stoning-woman-confesses/story-e6frfku0-1225904616703?from=public_rss


AN Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning has confessed to being an accomplice to the murder of her husband, according to an interview aired on state television.

The interview was with a woman in a face-covering chador whom the report said was Sakineh Mohammadi-Ashtiani, a 43-year-old mother of two whose death sentence has drawn outcry from many countries.

It was aired last night during a political broadcast that denounced the "propaganda of Western media" about the case it said was being used to pressure Iran over its controversial nuclear program.

In it, the woman said to be Mohammadi-Ashtiani admitted that a man with whom she was acquainted had offered to kill her husband and that she let him carry out the crime.

Her remarks were made in Azeri and translated into Persian.

The chief justice of East Azerbaijan province, where the alleged crime took place in 2006, told the TV show that Mohammadi-Ashtiani injected her husband with a substance that made him unconscious before the killer electrocuted him.

Iranian officials have maintained that the sentence was for murder, although initial reports said she was acquitted of that and only convicted for "having an illicit relationship outside marriage".

Her stoning sentence has been temporarily suspended by Iranian judiciary chief Sadeq Larijani.

Brazil's Foreign Minister Celso Amorim on Wednesday urged Iran to make a "humanitarian gesture" towards the woman, stressing it would be good for the image of the Islamic republic.

Mohammadi-Ashtiani's lawyer, Mohammad Mostafaie, fled to Norway after Iranian officials issued an arrest warrant for him and detained his wife.

The human rights lawyer, who says he has rescued 18 of 40 clients from the death penalty in Iran in recent years, said he was considering seeking asylum in the Scandinavian country.



Update 5/09/2010: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/iran-stoning-woman-to-get-99-lashes/story-e6frfku0-1225914327225?from=public_rss


SAKINEH Mohammadi-Ashtiani, an Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, has also been sentenced to 99 lashes for a photo published of her without a headscarf, according to her son.

In an interview published on the website of the French magazine La Regle du Jeu and the blog Dentelles et Tchador, Mohammadi-Ashtiani's son Sajjad said they learned of the new punishment from released inmates.

He said that a prison judge confirmed that she was to be lashed for spreading "corruption and indecency" by the publication of a photograph of her without a headscarf that appeared in a British newspaper.

The Times of London published on August 28 a photo of a woman without a headscarf that it said was Mohammadi-Ashtiani, however on September 3 it said the attribution of the photo, which it received from one of her lawyers that has fled Iran, was incorrect.

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The photo "… is certainly not that of my mother", said Sajjad.

Mohammadi-Ashtiani, a 43-year-old mother of two, was given the death penalty for an extramarital relationship.

Iran has subsequently said she was also convicted of being an accomplice in her husband's death, though she has denied that was the case.

Her plight has prompted protests in Europe and an international campaign to spare her. Tehran has provisionally suspended the death sentence.


Update 28/09/2010: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/iran-stoning-case-woman-to-be-hanged-for-murder/story-e6frfku0-1225931250929?from=public_rss


THE Iranian woman who became the centre of an international outcry after being sentenced to death by stoning for adultery will now be hanged for murdering her husband.

The new fate planned for Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani was announced by Iran’s national prosecutor general, Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejei, at a news conference in Tehran today.

“According to the court’s ruling, she is convicted of murder and her death sentence has priority over her punishment [for committing adultery]”, the Tehran Times reported, citing Mohseni-Ejei.

The newspaper said that the prosecutor’s remarks mean Ashtiani - an illiterate 43-year-old Azeri mother of two whose husband was killed by her cousin - will not be stoned to death for committing adultery because she should first be executed for murder.

“The issue should not be politicised and the judiciary will not be influenced by the propaganda campaign launched by the Western media,” added Mohseni-Ejei, who also serves as the judiciary spokesman.

However the Iranian government today appeared to contradict Mohseni-Ejei's statements by claiming that no final decision had yet been taken in the case.

“The judicial process has not yet finished and the final judgement will be announced after the end of the process,” said foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast.

Ashtiani has spent years in prison under threat of being stoned for alleged adultery with her cousin.

She has been denied access to her family and lawyer, who were persecuted for publicising her case. The strength of the outcry in the West has been credited with delaying the sentence.

The Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was repeatedly tackled about Ashtiani’s case when he visited New York last week to address the United Nations.

In contradiction to his country’s judicial officials, Ahmadinejad denied that Ashtiani had ever been sentenced to death by stoning and suggested that the international outcry had been whipped up by Western media propaganda.

“There’s no stoning case here at all,” he told Larry King Live. “A person in Germany made this claim, which was untrue. Our judiciary also said it was untrue.”

On the day of Ahmadinejad’s address an open letter was released from Ashtiani’s son to Ban Ki-Moon, the UN secretary-general, begging him to intervene to save his mother’s life, dismissing the Islamic Republic’s professed commitment to human rights as an “absolute lie” and calling for an international ban on stoning.

Sajad Ghaderzade, 22, a bus driver from Tabriz, said that his mother had been acquitted of murdering her husband but sentenced to be stoned to death after being convicted, instead, of adultery.

The statement by the prosecutor general suggested that the courts have overturned their earlier judgment.

Mohseni-Ejei also threatened that the Iranian authorities were ready to prosecute the leaders of the Iranian opposition, Mahdi Karroubi and Mir-Hossein Mousavi, if they did not stop criticising the regime.

“The leaders of sedition have undermined the interests of the nation and system. Undoubtedly, they will be tried if they don’t repent their actions and express their regret publicly,” he said.

R0b0t1

2010-07-05 00:41:31

Well, honestly, it'd be worse for Islam if she gets stoned. Sooo… I hope she gets stoned :-\

Daniel

2010-07-05 01:08:50

From: @IRC

<R0b0t1> Honestly, Islam needs to be gotten rid of :-\
<R0b0t1> It's the #1 problem in this world.
<Mayazcherquoi> R0b0t1: hang on
<R0b0t1> Yes, even greater than climate change.
<R0b0t1> It's just that I hate them… I hate their religion.


Happened just now at IRC.

R0b0t1

2010-07-05 01:16:31

It's not that I hate them*

Capricorn

2010-07-05 01:56:51

Yeah, committing genocide is always a great idea.

x[Warrior]x3500

2010-07-05 02:27:31

nations have laws. whether they are moral or not, if you live in that nation, you will suffer from their laws. no, i do not believe this is moral, but she knew the punishment and still did it. i dont see a reason (other than our morals) why she should not be punished in the way the government has stated.

sry if my opinion seems harsh, its just the way i think.

R0b0t1

2010-07-05 02:59:48

I never suggested genocide. I simply said we remove the religion. Honestly, removing any religion would be a good step forward.

kingarabian

2010-07-05 03:13:08

[QUOTE=Dan's The Man;722031]Source: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1291166/Iranian-mother-faces-death-stoning-convicted-adultery.html[/url]

I hate countries that base their penalties around religion…[/QUOTE]

Propaganda. Its to feed fools like R0b0t1 and make them happy.

And why do you continue to post this? Is it to make Islam look bad, or are you trying to prove something else?

How about this:

China holds a law that you cant have more than one girl in your family. If they find you pregnant with a girl you have to have an abortion.

There are at least 13 million abortions a year in China compared to 20 million live births, according to the official China Daily newspaper.

THATS 13 MILLION KILLED BABIES

[url]http://www.canada.com/news/china+abortion+rate+soars/1845644/story.html[/url]

Capricorn

2010-07-05 03:38:58

From: kingarabian
Propaganda. Its to feed fools like R0b0t1 and make them happy.

And why do you continue to post this? Is it to make Islam look bad, or are you trying to prove something else?

How about this:

China holds a law that you cant have more than one girl in your family. If they find you pregnant with a girl you have to have an abortion.

There are at least 13 million abortions a year in China compared to 20 million live births, according to the official China Daily newspaper.

THATS 13 MILLION KILLED BABIES

http://www.canada.com/news/china+abortion+rate+soars/1845644/story.html

Nobody cares about China because they give us cheap goods.

gamer716

2010-07-05 06:46:51

From: R0b0t1
Well, honestly, it'd be worse for Islam if she gets stoned. Sooo… I hope she gets stoned :-\


I can't quite understand why you hate Islam so much.

I suggest you visit this website: http://www.wakeupproject.com/VList.asp?Series=1

Watch the video series (has 50 parts) and then if you still hate Islam (or religion in general)…then I guess I have to respect your choice.

i luffs yeww

2010-07-05 14:48:41

^ When I have the time, I'll watch that. I don't think it will do anything for me, or R0b0t1, but I enjoy learning about religion. :) Thanks.

Anyway, Rules are rules. I see no point in this being pointed out.

EvilChicken!

2010-07-05 16:05:01

From: kingarabian
Propaganda. Its to feed fools like R0b0t1 and make them happy.

And why do you continue to post this? Is it to make Islam look bad, or are you trying to prove something else?

How about this:

China holds a law that you cant have more than one girl in your family. If they find you pregnant with a girl you have to have an abortion.

There are at least 13 million abortions a year in China compared to 20 million live births, according to the official China Daily newspaper.

THATS 13 MILLION KILLED BABIES

http://www.canada.com/news/china+abortion+rate+soars/1845644/story.html



I'm terribly sorry to say this, but you are a moron.
China's laws are upheld so the country can maintain or even slow down their demographical evolution, so that the people currently residing in China may experience a better life and less poverty. Not only do I believe that this is the morally correct choice for the nation as a whole, it also spares the aborted individual of a life in potential (and very likely certain) misery.
Now why do you take more offense of abortion than of, say, killing bugs? It is simply because your subconciousness realizes that killing a human fetus is closer to killing a sentient human, which is why it causes a greater deal of concern, if not to add your religious ideals.

Which really puzzles me, as a full-grown human being must no doubt be considered more sentient than a fetus even amongst muslims, no?

HyperSecret

2010-07-05 16:11:46

From: EvilChicken!
I'm terribly sorry to say this, but you are a moron.
China's laws are upheld so the country can maintain or even slow down their demographical evolution, so that the people currently residing in China may experience a better life and less poverty. Not only do I believe that this is the morally correct choice for the nation as a whole, it also spares the aborted individual of a life in potential (and very likely certain) misery.
Now why do you take more offense of abortion than of, say, killing bugs? It is simply because your subconciousness realizes that killing a human fetus is closer to killing a sentient human, which is why it causes a greater deal of concern, if not to add your religious ideals.

Which really puzzles me, as a full-grown human being must no doubt be considered more sentient than a fetus even amongst muslims, no?



Only problem I have with your statement is, that you don't find a problem with it being only women…they have no limit on the number of boys/men in the family. Which kind of puts a dent into the whole 'maintaining thing', more like maintaining women population. =p

If they are going to aborted then abort both boys and girls.

Yakman

2010-07-05 16:25:30

Islam Is The Religion Of Peace And Harmony.

… I wouldn't say its worse then climate change though.

Also I'm sure if China really do force people to abort, they will do it when the embryo is very young and thus cannot suffer.
But why am I not surprised that militant Islamic people also equate 7 week old embryos with BABIES, just another attribute they share with their American Conservative counterparts.


on the other hand, it is from the Daily Mail. Although I wouldn't be surprised if this story was true, I'll treat it with scepticism unless it appears from another source.

kingarabian

2010-07-05 16:30:47

From: HyperSecret
Only problem I have with your statement is, that you don't find a problem with it being only women…they have no limit on the number of boys/men in the family. Which kind of puts a dent into the whole 'maintaining thing', more like maintaining women population. =p

If they are going to aborted then abort both boys and girls.


This.

@Evil Chicken, this whole propaganda thing is saying Islam "mistreats" women.

While in China if you give birth to a girl she gets no future job, school, medical aid, financial aid.

A baby in the fetus after 4-5 months is considered a Human being. The parents are ordered to have an ultra sound to see what the gender is. If its a girl the parents MUST abort it.

In 2005 , they found, births of boys in China exceeded births of girls by more than 1.1 million. There were 120 boys born for every 100 girls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/11/world/asia/11china.html

EvilChicken!

2010-07-05 16:31:31

From: HyperSecret
Only problem I have with your statement is, that you don't find a problem with it being only women…they have no limit on the number of boys/men in the family. Which kind of puts a dent into the whole 'maintaining thing', more like maintaining women population. =p

If they are going to aborted then abort both boys and girls.


Thank you.

Regarding your query, I believe it all boils down to the inevitable fact that women have greater possibilities to produce children. So, believe me, I do know that it indeed is harsh and unfair, but I suppose it is something that must be done, and that in this case the Chinese goverment obviously believes that the end justifies the means. There are indeed better methods of population control, but we must also remember that there also are far worse.
I do not see how this is whatsoever compareable with stoning a woman for cheating?

i luffs yeww

2010-07-05 16:43:22

I agree with EC!. And about killing only women; to be honest, men are traditionally used for hard working jobs. Not to say that women can't, but they usually don't. I hate to say it, because I think there's no outside difference (other than body structure, parts, etc.) between genders (however, women are biologically superior, in my opinion).

I thought there was a limit on children in China after so many, but I dunno.

(Still, we're very off topic. ;))

kingarabian

2010-07-05 17:03:11

From: i luffs yeww
I agree with EC!. And about killing only women; to be honest, men are traditionally used for hard working jobs. Not to say that women can't, but they usually don't. I hate to say it, because I think there's no outside difference (other than body structure, parts, etc.) between genders (however, women are biologically superior, in my opinion).

I thought there was a limit on children in China after so many, but I dunno.

(Still, we're very off topic. ;))


China has a one-child law.

@EvilChicken

If Male or Female have sex with someone else while there married to someone else, then they get stoned. Alot of Muslim people get away with it, in other countries. But in Iran and Saudia Arabia, they are usually stoned.

Also in Saudia Arabia if you are caught stealing your hand gets cut off.

Dont forget Iran is a Shiite Country. They dont follow the correct path, the Sunnah of Islam brought to them by Prophet Mohammad (pbh). He usually ordered whipping instead of stoning.

gamer716

2010-07-05 17:28:29

From: Yakman
Islam Is The Religion Of Peace And Harmony.

If only the Western World could see that too. Too bad the media have been brainwashing them for decades.

From: i luffs yeww
^ When I have the time, I'll watch that. I don't think it will do anything for me, or R0b0t1, but I enjoy learning about religion. :) Thanks.


The video is a mixture of religion and real world events to point out the future of the world. Quite interesting, might learn something new :)

noidea

2010-07-05 18:21:51

From: kingarabian
Dont forget Iran is a Shiite Country. They dont follow the correct path, the Sunnah of Islam brought to them by Prophet Mohammad (pbh). He usually ordered whipping instead of stoning.


Also, people of Iranian heritage are Persian, NOT Arabic ;)
They write and speak in different languages as well. Farsi for Iran and Arabic for Iraq.

The whole culture is different.

People seem to lump everything in as 'the middle east' when so much is different.

masterBB

2010-07-05 18:45:26

From: kingarabian
China has a one-child law.


In the country side of China, it is less hard. But the city's are flooded with poor people with no future. It's all for the people!

And don't believe any of the propaganda of the government or all of those government controlled, so called, free media. The Islam is no enemy, you just believe to much. I thought this community would be smarter as this…

Daniel

2010-07-05 20:38:29

And guys, get the hell off China!

From: kingarabian
He usually ordered whipping instead of stoning.


She did get whipped…

i luffs yeww

2010-07-05 21:25:03

From: gamer716
The video is a mixture of religion and real world events to point out the future of the world. Quite interesting, might learn something new :)


Future doesn't exist, broski.

Matsetst

2010-07-05 21:25:30

At first I thought she was high. but then I was like

Preparation for local championship stoning ?

No seriously I hope the modern society there will change this and bring normal human rights there. Its sad :(

R0b0t1

2010-07-07 18:28:25

From: kingarabian
Propaganda. Its to feed fools like R0b0t1 and make them happy.

And why do you continue to post this? Is it to make Islam look bad, or are you trying to prove something else?

How about this:

China holds a law that you cant have more than one girl in your family. If they find you pregnant with a girl you have to have an abortion.

There are at least 13 million abortions a year in China compared to 20 million live births, according to the official China Daily newspaper.

THATS 13 MILLION KILLED BABIES

http://www.canada.com/news/china+abortion+rate+soars/1845644/story.html


Bro, your holy book tells you to go out and kill non-believers and go back on your word (and then kill them) if the other party doesn't practice Islam.

There is no "alternate interpretation" to those verses. That is what it says, in clear wording. No other holy book that I know of does this, so it's not like you guys were following precedent. The crusades happened because of a misinterpretation and personal greed, but you don't need to misinterpret the Koran to "justify" going out and killing people.

i luffs yeww

2010-07-07 22:02:46

^ Christianity sends you to eternal damnation if you sin and/or don't accept Jesus Christ into your life. I don't know if there's a similar Islamic "hell" for not accepting it, but I'm just pointing out that other religions aren't the most understanding of alternative beliefs.

(Not trying to point out Christianity or bash it or any other religion in any way; merely the only one that I know well enough to discuss it. :))

cycrosism

2010-07-07 22:33:12

That's what there religion is about, glad I am atheist :) - Don't have to put up with that crap

Yakman

2010-07-08 13:36:58

From: cycrosism
That's what there religion is about, glad I am atheist :) - Don't have to put up with that crap


Actually its nothing to do with you being an atheist. You could be a non-believer living in Iran who would have to put up with this, or you could be a muslim living in Western Europe who doesn't.

For you to enjoy safety, rationality and enlightenment, you have to be an atheist* and get most other people to be one too. Its purely a political and social point you're making and I feel its important we realise this.


*Or agnostic, or diest, ect ect provided you recognise the dangers of religion.

anonymity

2010-07-08 13:58:10

People need to grow up, open their eyes, learn about others and learn basic patience and tolerance skills.

@ you China talkers - fail. Know your talking. In China, there is a complete limit on how many children you are allowed to have… TOTAL.. so, most families kill off the females. Why? because the boy will marry, bring in the married, and continue to expand the family and take care of the parents. Culturally speaking, it is not profitable to have a girl because she will grow up (living/growing/using family resources and then move to another family when she gets married). This is something that has gone on for hundreds of years, not likely to change by tomorrow. But slowly the economical giant China is 'westernizing' small things here and there.

i luffs yeww

2010-07-08 14:21:49

^ Thanks. I thought what they were saying wasn't true, but I had no proof. But I know that they do have a total limit on children, regardless of gender.

hackncrack1

2010-07-08 15:57:15

horrifying news

gamer716

2010-07-08 16:09:01

From: R0b0t1
Bro, your holy book tells you to go out and kill non-believers and go back on your word (and then kill them) if the other party doesn't practice Islam.

There is no "alternate interpretation" to those verses. That is what it says, in clear wording. No other holy book that I know of does this, so it's not like you guys were following precedent. The crusades happened because of a misinterpretation and personal greed, but you don't need to misinterpret the Koran to "justify" going out and killing people.


Haha I would like the see the sources you received this information from. It is completely false…

anonymity

2010-07-08 16:20:36

^ On top of that, what version/translation/translator? I am sorry to say this, but people lie, cheat, steal, add and remove information from documents.

There are few 'religious sects' that straight up justify killing others. It is, misinterpretations, manipulations, greed, and radical/extremists that this justified killing comes from.

Cigue

2010-07-08 17:15:21

From: anonymity
^ On top of that, what version/translation/translator? I am sorry to say this, but people lie, cheat, steal, add and remove information from documents.

There are few 'religious sects' that straight up justify killing others. It is, misinterpretations, manipulations, greed, and radical/extremists that this justified killing comes from.


The Quran doesn't advertise killing of infidels. However, the current clergy in the middle-east interpret it as so. I forgot source, but I once stumbled on a popular website where some ayatollah was re-interpreting the Quran. At some point, Allah says that saving one human being is as great as saving the whole humanity; however, the guy stands up to explain that by "human being" Allah meant "muslim", and that infidels are fair game in the eyes of their God.

kingarabian

2010-07-08 20:46:25

From: Cigue
The Quran doesn't advertise killing of infidels. However, the current clergy in the middle-east interpret it as so. I forgot source, but I once stumbled on a popular website where some ayatollah was re-interpreting the Quran. At some point, Allah says that saving one human being is as great as saving the whole humanity; however, the guy stands up to explain that by "human being" Allah meant "muslim", and that infidels are fair game in the eyes of their God.


It was 20 years ago. He started making a new Quran in his own thoughts. Some people say alot of the top Shiites do have another Quran tho.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/08/iran.stoning/index.html?hpt=T2

Yakman

2010-07-09 20:12:50

Look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQzuFrMRA3M at 6:43 for the relevant part.

Here is a transcript

Dawkins: Dr. Mukadam what is the penalty for apostasy?
Dimbleby: We keep coming down this apostasy route, give us a quick answer and we'll move on.
Mukadam: If its an Islamic country, then the Shari&#8217;ah is very clear, apostasy is death with the death penalty.


Islam is the religion of peace and harmony?

kingarabian

2010-07-09 20:22:39

From: Yakman
Look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQzuFrMRA3M at 6:43 for the relevant part.

Here is a transcript

Dawkins: Dr. Mukadam what is the penalty for apostasy?
Dimbleby: We keep coming down this apostasy route, give us a quick answer and we'll move on.
Mukadam: If its an Islamic country, then the Shari&#8217;ah is very clear, apostasy is death with the death penalty.


Islam is the religion of peace and harmony?


Yes it is?
In Islam:
If you have sex with someone else while your married, you get a death penalty.
If you murder someone you get a death penalty.
If you steal, you get your hand cut off.
That way the whole humanity knows not to sin.

Islam does not give the death penalty without a cause.

If you dont like it then you dont have to be a Muslim lol. Islam does not force anyone to be a Muslim, its even in the Quran.

There are Arab Christians, Arab Jews, Iranian Christians, Iranian Jews, etc etc

But Allah knows what he is doing, and what he taught the Prophet Mohammad (pbh). To the point where we have nearly 1.5billion muslims, who understand the law.

Matsetst

2010-07-09 22:50:42

From: kingarabian
Yes it is?
In Islam:
If you have sex while your married, you get a death penalty.
If you murder someone you get a death penalty.
If you steal, you get your hand cut off.
That way the whole humanity knows not to sin.

Islam does not give the death penalty without a cause.

If you dont like it then you dont have to be a Muslim lol. Islam does not force anyone to be a Muslim, its even in the Quran.

There are Arab Christians, Arab Jews, Iranian Christians, Iranian Jews, etc etc

But Allah knows what he is doing, and what he taught the Prophet Mohammad (pbh). To the point where we have nearly 1.5billion muslims, who understand the law.


And this comment will give me more motivation to hate the islam. Im trying to do not and respect it but when I read this I will get more angry and frustrated. Your ''god'' and their words are just so false and deceptively.

beside that

there are less than 50,000 members of al queda and the taliban yet there are over 1.5 billion muslims who claim to be "peaceful non-radicals"

dont you think the "non radical" muslims would have overpowered the very very few radical ones IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES by now?

the reason they havent is because all/most muslims support the taliban and al queda and despise the western world. its the truth.

I just keep hating them more.

gamer716

2010-07-10 00:40:46

From: Matsetst
And this comment will give me more motivation to hate the islam. Im trying to do not and respect it but when I read this I will get more angry and frustrated. Your ''god'' and their words are just so false and deceptively.

beside that

there are less than 50,000 members of al queda and the taliban yet there are over 1.5 billion muslims who claim to be "peaceful non-radicals"

dont you think the "non radical" muslims would have overpowered the very very few radical ones IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES by now?

the reason they havent is because all/most muslims support the taliban and al queda and despise the western world. its the truth.

I just keep hating them more.

lol open your mind seriously, have you ever met any Muslim your entire life? I doubt it…because if you did, you will realize that they are normal people just like everyone else. Don't always believe what the news tell you.

From: Matsetst
And this comment will give me more motivation to hate the islam. Im trying to do not and respect it but when I read this I will get more angry and frustrated. Your ''god'' and their words are just so false and deceptively.


I highly suggest you watch this "The Arrivals" : http://www.wakeupproject.com/VList.asp?Series=1&Video=91
I promise you that after finishing watching the whole series (50 parts) your hatred for the religion will disappear and you might view the world at a new angle.

Wake up already, its 2010…

i luffs yeww

2010-07-10 01:22:27

^ I agree with the "open your mind" comment. People assume that every Muslim is a crazy terrorist. It's ridiculous. But I don't like your "it's 2010" comment. :/ I feel like that is detrimental to your point. As time has gone by, religion has got less and less useful. We know how and why things work now.

Daniel

2010-07-10 03:15:18

From: i luffs yeww
^ I agree with the "open your mind" comment. People assume that every Muslim is a crazy terrorist.


Aren't dey? <_>

:p (<- You see that emoticon? That means I just spoke sarcasm… In case you didn't know).

kingarabian

2010-07-10 03:45:53

From: Matsetst

dont you think the "non radical" muslims would have overpowered the very very few radical ones IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES by now?


I dont know how Taliban is radical. I dont believe they are responsible for the 9/11 attacks, infact America used to have close ties with the Taliban. America used to send Taliban aid and money.

They call Hamas a terrorist organization right after it won the election in Palestine. Jimmy Carter, Obama, and alot of Arab leaders sat down with Hamas leaders and they say there are no problems or issues.

Yes those groups do have radical thinking, and im not with any. I am a person trying to be the best Muslim I can be.
I dont see anyone complaining about the KKK threatning Obama? That white supremest group in Africa. Those Christians plotting against the U.S government.
What you read is propaganda from media groups controlled by Zionists.

And I got nothing against Jews as I have alot of Jewish friends since Zionism and Judaism are completely different. I also have quiet a few atheist and Buddhist friends who except people with religion. Never seen any like the atheists on here.

@Danny Sure! I'm a "terrorist" and so is every other Muslim member on SRL to you right?
Idiot.

All you Atheists HATE islam.

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I wont be posting in these kind of threads. The only way they stay active is because of me ;)

Daniel

2010-07-10 04:11:03

From: kingarabian
@Danny Sure! I'm a "terrorist" and so is every other Muslim member on SRL to you right?
Idiot.

Hurr durr idiot. You just proved that you can't read. Just wondering, do you know what an "emoticon" is and why they are used? More specifically, do you know what the :p emoticon means?

From: kingarabian

All you Atheists HATE islam.

Umm, IIRC, we "hate" most cults ;)

From: kingarabian

I wont be posting in these kind of threads. The only way they stay active is because of me ;)

No, not because of you. You might go through this thread to before you posted and you'll see it has quite a bit of activity. ;) (<- P.S: That's an emoticon!)

News Update:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/iran-to-review-womans-stoning-verdict/story-e6frfku0-1225890187358?from=public_rss

kingarabian, looks like they aren't following your cult's instructions of being stoned to death ;) Shouldn't you call blasphemy on them and have them stoned?

i luffs yeww

2010-07-10 07:01:35

It never ceases to amaze me how religion folks always say such general things about all atheists hating them or all Jews or all Christians or anything like that; you're not helping your point. You're doing the exact same thing as the other people do.

Also, I don't *hate* any religion. I completely understand it. I merely wish for people to have as best of a life as they can. If that's through some fake deity or a set of rules, whatever. I just wish they could see the irony of it all.

Jimmy5410

2010-07-10 11:54:34

From: x[Warrior]x3500
nations have laws. whether they are moral or not, if you live in that nation, you will suffer from their laws. no, i do not believe this is moral, but she knew the punishment and still did it. i dont see a reason (other than our morals) why she should not be punished in the way the government has stated.

sry if my opinion seems harsh, its just the way i think.

That's like a member of the mob coming into your shop and saying that he'll break your legs if you don't give him his protection money. The comes back, you don't pay it, and he breaks your leg.
"He knew the punishment, so why shouldn't he be punished?"

From: kingarabian
That's 13 million aborted fetuses.

Fix'd.

Yakman

2010-07-10 14:51:14

I find these hilarious when the religious people are unveiled and we see them for what they are.
This thread seems to be full of them whining with their victim mentality, "waaaah everybody hates us!", well I got news for you sir, there are good reasons why we despise and reject Islam, and a few of those reasons have come up in this thread.


From: kingarabian
Yes it is?
In Islam:
If you have sex with someone else while your married, you get a death penalty.
If you murder someone you get a death penalty.
If you steal, you get your hand cut off.
That way the whole humanity knows not to sin.

Islam does not give the death penalty without a cause.


I really can't believe you admit it so openly and with no shame. Do you not see how disgusting these views are?
You would kill people merely for disagreeing with your religion.

From: kingarabian

If you dont like it then you dont have to be a Muslim lol. Islam does not force anyone to be a Muslim, its even in the Quran.

There are Arab Christians, Arab Jews, Iranian Christians, Iranian Jews, etc etc


You do try to push it onto us. Even in the UK we have some Muslims calling for the introduction of sharia law onto the stature books.
It is an offence to human decency and empathy if we just stand by while you murder those who disagree with you and have left Islam.

And how do those Jews and Christians live? In fear as an oppressed minority. Are there any churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Thought not.
I've seen photos of Jewish women having to wear the full burka to stop punishment by the Muslim majority.


From: kingarabian

But Allah knows what he is doing, and what he taught the Prophet Mohammad (pbh). To the point where we have nearly 1.5billion muslims, who understand the law.


Oh bollocks, you didn't get so many follower by preaching the truth, you and all other religions survive by targeting children when they're very young and believe anything adults say.

"Give me a child of formative age and I'll give you the man!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg3m3t87-dk is an interview with a young muslim girl.

transcript:

I: What is your name?
G: Fatima!
I: How old are you?
G: Two years old!
...
I: Who is your lord!
G: Allaah!
I: Where is Allaah?
G: In the heaven!
...
I: Who are strucked by Allah's wrath?
G: The Jews!
I: Who are the misguided?
G: The Christians!

anonymity

2010-07-10 17:31:43

^ Well Mr. Adamant, as always I can trust you to input your thoughts. And this is a good thing, if people went through life believing everything they ever heard. We would be in a world of trouble (not that we aren't already).

As much as most, I truly love an unveiling. Getting to see someone's true colours and what makes them tick. But I feel that this v statement is based too widely on profiling, which I am sure you have your reasons for, of course.
From: Yakman
I find these hilarious when the religious people are unveiled and we see them for what they are.
This thread seems to be full of them whining with their victim mentality, "waaaah everybody hates us!", well I got news for you sir, there are good reasons why we despise and reject
Not to kick a dead dog, or make this longer than is has to be… well, I'll just direct towards something I already wrote. Maybe you will see what I mean.
From: anonymity
.


I know this thread is not strictly about any one religion, and it started about talking about IRAN. My point is, we can all start by doing something.

Who is it? The radicals that get more face/air time and notice or the more peaceful and understanding persons?

R0b0t1

2010-07-10 18:36:16

From: gamer716
Haha I would like the see the sources you received this information from. It is completely false…


I use the following site http://quranbrowser.com/.

Flogging or Stoning Adulterers - 24:2, any version. Note how Jesus forgives a woman of adultery, Muhammed tells his followers to not have pity.
Spousal Abuse - 4:34, a few versions remove or lessen the spousal abuse part. This is new, as older versions do not have these notices as this was how it was originally written.
Cutting off the Hands of Thieves - 5:38, any version. Note how any mention of repentance does not affect whether the hand is cut off. Also note that stealing anything would get your hand cut off. Some commentators claim examples are euphemisms for larger, more costly things, but older and accepted commentators take these words at face value.
Reward for Dieing in a Holy War - 61:10-12, any version.
Kill or Intimidate Nonbelievers - 9:29, any version. some versions use different words for "people of the book" (Christians, Jews), but this verse says to either kill them or tax them for the privilege to live.

Also note the following excerpts, all history is taken from "friendly" sources:


March 624: Uqba bin Abu Muayt

Uqba mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed. "But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Uqba cried with anguish. "Hell," retorted the prophet coldly. Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba&#8217;s neck.

March 624: Asma bint Marwan

Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. When the prophet heard what she had said, he asked, "Who will rid me of Marwan&#8217;s daughter?" A member of her husband&#8217;s tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.



W. Montgomery Watt, a highly reputable Western Islamologist who writes in favor of Muhammad and whose two-volume history of early Islam (Muhammad at Mecca (1953) and Muhammad at Medina (1956)) has won wide acceptance, tells us why geography matters:

The chief point to notice is that the Muslims took the offensive. With one exception the seven expeditions were directed against Meccan caravans. The geographical situation lent itself to this. Caravans from Mecca to Syria had to pass between Medina and the coast. Even if they kept as close to the Red Sea as possible, they had to pass within about eighty miles of Medina, and, while at this distance from the enemy base, would be twice as far from their own base. (Muhammad at Medina, emphasis added, p. 2)


See http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/07/seeds_of_jihad_2.html along with the following quote.


After the Battle of the Trench in March 627 (named after a trench that the Muslims dug around parts of Medina) against a large coalition of Meccans and their allies, Muhammad imposed the ultimate penalty on the men in the Jewish clan, Qurayzah, his third and final Jewish rivals (he banished the Qaynuqa tribe in April 624 and the Nadir tribe in August 625). The Qurayzah tribe was supposed to remain neutral in the Battle, but they seem to have intrigued with the Meccans and to have been on the verge of attacking Muhammad from the rear. They were judged guilty by one of their Medinan Muslim allies, though Muhammad could have shown mercy, exiled them (as indeed they requested), or executed only a few.

The sentence: Death by decapitation for around 600 men (some Islamic sources say 900), and enslavement for the women and children (he took a beautiful Jewess as his own prize). Muhammad was wise enough to have six clans execute two Jews each in order to stop any blood-feuds. The rest of the executions were probably carried out by his fellow Emigrants from Mecca and lasted the whole night.

The prophet says the following in Sura 33:25-26 about the Battle of the Trench and his treatment of Qurayzah:

33:25 God sent back the disbelievers along with their rage&#8212;they gained no benefit&#8212;and spared the believers from fighting. He is strong and mighty. 26 He brought those People of the Book [Qurayza] who supported them down from their strongholds and put terror into their hearts. Some of them you [believers] killed and some you took captive. 27 He passed on to you their land, their homes, their possessions, and a land where you had not set foot. God has power over everything. (Haleem)

Now this atrocity has been enshrined in the eternal word of Allah&#8212;and the Quran seems to celebrate it. But these questions must be answered: Is intriguing with the enemy equal to slaughtering 600 men and enslaving the women and children? Who decides? The Arab tribal chief with the most powerful army? Muhammad said around the time of his Hijrah in 622 the following:

16:126 If you [people] have to respond to an attack, make your response proportionate, but it is better to be steadfast. (Haleem)

Any reasonable and fair-minded person would judge that Muhammad was not making his response (execution) proportionate to the breach of the agreement. The Qurayzah tribe never attacked the Muslims, and even if a few were to have done so, the punishment does not fit the crime. Therefore, Muhammad was being excessive and disproportionate because he used an irreversible penalty to express his human wrath.



The fact that Islamic peoples are themselves peaceful is of little consequence, as most people wish to leave a peaceful life.

Also remember that major interpretations (of earlier commentators) interpret most of these in the most violent way possible. Only recently has Islam opted to try to spread via diplomacy (and it is failing, I might add).

I have seen those videos mentioned earlier, and still hold my views.

R0b0t1

2010-07-10 18:51:34

Oh and look, an article written by a black guy! It's not just white people who don't like Islam. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=24746

Matsetst

2010-07-10 19:29:38

Yakman's post put words out of my mouth.

From: kingarabian
Yes it is?
In Islam:
If you have sex with someone else while your married, you get a death penalty.
If you murder someone you get a death penalty.
If you steal, you get your hand cut off.
That way the whole humanity knows not to sin.


This makes me mad. You should be ashamed. Your religion is not peaceful at all. Your law makes you murderers. Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone.

Capricorn

2010-07-10 19:32:45

From: kingarabian
Yes it is?
In Islam:
If you have sex with someone else while your married, you get a death penalty.
If you murder someone you get a death penalty.
If you steal, you get your hand cut off.
That way the whole humanity knows not to sin.


How can something be peaceful and harmonize with everything when it kills people and cuts off peoples hands.

And no, punishment has been proven time and time again to have little effect against "sins" or "crimes". People still murder, people still steal, people still cheat. Your religion, as interpreted by you (I do not claim to know anything about the religion of Islam, but merely by what you just said) will instead of promoting good childhoods, making sure everyone has the basic needs of living and create stronger communities would sooner destroy life, disrupt families and take away loved ones.

anonymity

2010-07-10 19:50:29

From: Matsetst
Yakman's post put words out of my mouth.

This makes me mad. You should be ashamed. Your religion is not peaceful at all. Your law makes you murderers. Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone.


Really, you quote the Bible? You hypocritical poster. The Bible was not without laws pertaining to keeping order in the realm of man. Both Old and New Testament. You should be the one ashamed.

Matsetst

2010-07-10 20:14:27

From: anonymity
Really, you quote the Bible? You hypocritical poster. The Bible was not without laws pertaining to keeping order in the realm of man. Both Old and New Testament. You should be the one ashamed.


so when i quote something like example the bible it doesnt mean I am behind all the standpoints. I really liked those words and find wisdom in it so do many non believers. Try something else mkay ?

Yakman

2010-07-10 20:51:26

Just cause the Bible says it doesn't make it okay for the Quran to say it.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Same shit, different book.

anonymity

2010-07-10 23:28:27

^ <3 - When it comes down to it, I have respect for people who are able to question what they hear, yet aren't ignorant about the comments that they make.

Janilabo

2010-07-11 06:12:36

From: kingarabian
Yes it is?
In Islam:
If you have sex with someone else while your married, you get a death penalty.
If you murder someone you get a death penalty.
If you steal, you get your hand cut off.
That way the whole humanity knows not to sin.

The only one of those, that in my opinion is acceptable, would be the second (if you murder someone, you get a death penalty).

Let's ONLY imagine (now that this thread is about mother of couple children who has got death penalty), you (kingarabian) would live in a very poor family, and your mother would decide to steal some food from a market, so all of your family members could eat, and she would get caught doing it… Now, if that would lead to cutting her hand off, would YOU accept it, because it's one of the rules of islam? Be very honest answering this.
-I think that rule there is way, WAY too cruel.

Also the first one… I understand that it is NOT okay at all to cheat, but do you SERIOUSLY think that's a reason to get a death penalty for??? And if I remember correct, it will be done with using stones. That's just insane and all of you, who accept that, are f*cking brainwashed! You have to remember, all of us, humans, are sexual creatures - from birth until our death.

Just my 2 cents here.

R0b0t1

2010-07-11 18:13:55

Well, the problem they had with the death penalty is, because someone knows they are going to die, they only kill more people to get out of it.

gamer716

2010-07-11 19:27:11

From: Janilabo
Also the first one… I understand that it is NOT okay at all to cheat, but do you SERIOUSLY think that's a reason to get a death penalty for??? And if I remember correct, it will be done with using stones. That's just insane and all of you, who accept that, are f*cking brainwashed! You have to remember, all of us, humans, are sexual creatures - from birth until our death.
Just my 2 cents here.


I see where u coming from but the rules are there to prevent any crimes from happening. Yes, humans are sexual creatures but we can control it. If it wasn't for these rules, im sure there would be more adultery and divorces. If you look for the highest divorce rates in the world, I doubt you will find a Islamic country anywhere near the top of the list. So basically, the laws are enforced to make sure no one disobeys them and if you do, then too bad…you knew the consequences.

From: Janilabo
Let's ONLY imagine (now that this thread is about mother of couple children who has got death penalty), you (kingarabian) would live in a very poor family, and your mother would decide to steal some food from a market, so all of your family members could eat, and she would get caught doing it… Now, if that would lead to cutting her hand off, would YOU accept it, because it's one of the rules of Islam? Be very honest answering this.


You should never steal, does not matter if you are poor. Do you know how many poor people I've seen with disabilities, families and etc. but instead of stealing, they beg for food/money. That is because they know they will prized in the afterlife.

Someone once told me that in one of the Islamic countries, he saw people that would leave their car doors open and unlocked on the middle of the street when running late to maybe a meeting. Now do you think that people can do that where you live? I live in a safe communityl but I still can't trust myself to do anything like that.

These rules are enforced for a reason.

Cigue

2010-07-11 19:49:52

From: gamer716
Stuff


Pretty touching, except for the fact that there is no actual afterlife.

gamer716

2010-07-11 21:16:08

From: Cigue
Pretty touching, except for the fact that there is no actual afterlife.

Believe what you want…

Cigue

2010-07-11 22:54:08

From: gamer716
Believe what you want…


I will, thank you.

On an unrelated note, why are arabs so resenting of jews? All I keep hearing about is the Zionist menace and conspiracy, and it all sounds like I'm in Star Wars or shit.

Capricorn

2010-07-11 23:05:02

From: gamer716
I see where u coming from but the rules are there to prevent any crimes from happening.


Rules do not stop crime. That is where you are mistaken.

Cigue

2010-07-11 23:08:01

From: Capricorn
Rules do not stop crime. That is where you are mistaken.


Rules can lower crime. Punishment hardly will.

As an example, in Quebec, penalties for drug possession are pretty heavy, with fines and a record and community service for even the smallest ammount.

Which makes it weird that everyone and their uncle smoke weed.

i luffs yeww

2010-07-12 13:46:04

Rules, tend to cause more violations. There are many people who break the rules just to break them. There's no thought or reason behind it; just doing what you're not supposed to is something that humans do.

Anyway, I don't get the point of doing things for some sort of afterlife. Why wouldn't you make the best of what you know you have now and what is 100% certain, rather than living by controlling rules and not living your life to the fullest, in hope that somehow you'll live again?

And how can you say that all other religions are false if you think yours is true? I still don't understand that.

Cigue

2010-07-17 00:00:53

My main problem with the harsh laws is that it's a form of intolerance : to be okay with a Shariah governed nation, you HAVE to be muslim.

R0b0t1

2010-07-17 22:38:40

Yeah. I'm never going to be Muslim, and anyone with half a brain won't become Muslim under their own volition (Oh look, incoming flame. I forget the statistics, but a majority of converts [aside from forced conversion, next clause] "convert" because of spousal pressure, the actual "free convert" number being insanely low), but they have this nasty habit of pressuring other groups (through violence and weaselling into high places and enacting Sharia law) into becoming Muslim or moving.

anonymity

2010-07-20 14:14:12

It is sickening how political bs religion has become.

noidea

2010-07-20 16:37:34

From: Cigue
I will, thank you..


Wow man, why so aggressive. This isnt Hitler land, so any one will believe what they would like to.

Go take some happy pills.

i luffs yeww

2010-07-20 17:06:08

^ 0/10

3Garrett3

2010-07-20 17:41:25

So did this whore die or not?

Daniel

2010-08-06 06:56:51

An update on this story:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/save-my-wife-stoning-lawyer-mohammad-mostafaie-pleads/story-e6frfku0-1225902269515?from=public_rss

"'Save my wife', stoning lawyer Mohammed Mostafaie pleads"

Daniel

2010-08-12 07:04:22

Another update on this story:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/iran-stoning-woman-confesses/story-e6frfku0-1225904616703

"Iran stoning woman 'confesses'"

anonymity

2010-08-12 10:19:58

With more and more coming out, it doesn't sound so anti-woman or make her out to be the victim. But how do we know that this is not a cover story to just get the media/human rights off backs? - o.0 -

Daniel

2010-09-04 18:49:45

Once again, another update :p (5/09/2010):
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/iran-stoning-woman-to-get-99-lashes/story-e6frfku0-1225914327225?from=public_rss

She get's 99 lashes.

Gold

2010-09-05 14:54:45

From: kingarabian
Propaganda. Its to feed fools like R0b0t1 and make them happy.

And why do you continue to post this? Is it to make Islam look bad, or are you trying to prove something else?

How about this:

China holds a law that you cant have more than one girl in your family. If they find you pregnant with a girl you have to have an abortion.

There are at least 13 million abortions a year in China compared to 20 million live births, according to the official China Daily newspaper.

THATS 13 MILLION KILLED BABIES

http://www.canada.com/news/china+abortion+rate+soars/1845644/story.html



If they didn't do this, the world wouldn't be able to sustain all 20 billion plus Chinese that there would be.

Cstrike

2010-09-05 21:04:41

From: goldrush655
If they didn't do this, the world wouldn't be able to sustain all 20 billion plus Chinese that there would be.


While that could be true, I think mother nature might take care of overpopulation through viruses and lack of [clean] water. Not saying you're wrong though.

Daniel

2010-09-28 09:16:36

And since I keep dedicated to all of my stories that I post here, this should be the last update:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/iran-stoning-case-woman-to-be-hanged-for-murder/story-e6frfku0-1225931250929

"THE Iranian woman who became the centre of an international outcry after being sentenced to death by stoning for adultery will now be hanged for murdering her husband."