SRL Archive - Discussions & Debates

"Apple has been accused of violation of the Federal Communications Act, three counts of products liability related to negligence, defect in design and breach of implied warranty, intentional and negligent misrepresentation, fraud by concealment, unfair business practices and more. 'The iPhone 4 manifests design and manufacturing defects that were known to Defendants before it was released which were not disclosed to consumers, namely, a connection problem caused by the iPhone 4's antenna configuration that makes it difficult or impossible to maintain a connection to AT&T's network,' the California complaint reads."

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/01/apple_sued_over_iphone_4_reception_issues.html

Discuss.

For how much the iPhone 4 costs, the price of a case to make it better is not that big of a deal. However, for how much the iPhone 4 costs no one should have to buy a case or hold it funny to make it work properly.

I am sorry, they may be neat, but I think they were pushed out too soon, are over priced and generally not worth it.

On the topic of the being sued. That is ridiculous. If everyone in my home town sued when their phone got bad connection or didn't work, there would be hundreds of lawsuits daily for a very long time.

All my ipods get that jack thing fucked up and you have to position the headphones jack all weird and shit and its really delicate and it gets my goat if you know what I mean

^ That's most likely due to a broken jack or your headphones don't work. It happens to all products, but they're not made like that.

anonymity, the reason this is a valid legal case is because Apple was well aware of the problem, yet didn't inform consumers. For Apple to tell users they have to buy a case for their by-default faulty phone is against the law, as the contract/terms of service/whatever doesn't say that a case needs to be bought to not have the problem arise.

AT&T is also involved, as they, apparently, helped design the antenna system, knowing that there would be problems with service.

On a better note, Verizon will be providing service to iPhone(/iPad?) users next year. :) (Not that Verizon is any better (well, it may be, I'm not sure; I have T-Mobile (which I've never had a problem with ;))), but having the option to have shit-tier AT&T or mid-tier (apparently) Verizon is great.)

^ my experience, and those of MANY friends of mine has been that if you are in the middle of no where, if verizon does not get service, then at&t definitly wont. this has mainly been tested in the central valley of california (in the country) and in yosemite (the whole seirras for that matter). and some of my friends have t-mobile - dont plan on getting service if u ever go to the mountains here in cali :P

if ur in a town though, it doesnt matter what service you have IMO.

Android users will surpass iOS within a year or two.

Verizon!!
The only place I haven't gotten reception is Barrow, Alaska. Okay, that's a bit of an exaggeration - there are some dead spots up in northern Minnesota..

^ I really hope they do. :) I don't see why they wouldn't, except for Apple has a lot of hipster/scene/trend setters on their side. Android users don't tend to be the coolest kids in town. ;)

From: anonymity
For how much the iPhone 4 costs, the price of a case to make it better is not that big of a deal. However, for how much the iPhone 4 costs no one should have to buy a case or hold it funny to make it work properly.

I am sorry, they may be neat, but I think they were pushed out too soon, are over priced and generally not worth it.

On the topic of the being sued. That is ridiculous. If everyone in my home town sued when their phone got bad connection or didn't work, there would be hundreds of lawsuits daily for a very long time.

Except if I was buying a 600$ phone I expect it to work properly. Also the iPhone 4 looks really nice, I wouldn't want to cover that up with a case.

And if your phone literally doesn't work because of poor wireless down by your provider, maybe you SHOULD sue.

From: i luffs yeww
On a better note, Verizon will be providing service to iPhone(/iPad?) users next year. :) (Not that Verizon is any better (well, it may be, I'm not sure; I have T-Mobile (which I've never had a problem with ;))), but having the option to have shit-tier AT&T or mid-tier (apparently) Verizon is great.)

As far as I know, the Apple iPhone, or at least those that have already been produced, will only be available on AT&T. The iPhone capable of being used by Verizon customers will be a separate device.

Sprint is pretty good.

I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't boned them in the butt for those "PC commercials"

It was a software Issue, Jobs already stated that within 2 weeks the problem will be fixed with a firmware update.

From: shadohead
It was a software Issue, Jobs already stated that within 2 weeks the problem will be fixed with a firmware update.

Part of it was, still when you hold it with the "death grip" the data sucks.

Didn't the old owner of the leaked Iphone 4 jump off a 17 story window after getting interrogated or something like that?

From: shadohead
It was a software Issue, Jobs already stated that within 2 weeks the problem will be fixed with a firmware update.

Actually no, what Apple did was make the bars follow a illogical pattern for signal strength. They did this to make it look like you had better signal strength at times then you really did.

And no, software can not fix the problem of you physically bridging the two antennae. I don't know what makes you think that.

^ This.

And about Verizon, I think I heard that the iPhone 4 will be available on Verizon, but I'm not sure. Even if it was a different version, it would be much better than the iPhone 4; the design would definitely be fixed, the service would be better, and I'm sure other things will change.

From: i luffs yeww
^ This.

And about Verizon, I think I heard that the iPhone 4 will be available on Verizon, but I'm not sure. Even if it was a different version, it would be much better than the iPhone 4; the design would definitely be fixed, the service would be better, and I'm sure other things will change.

THe iphone 4 exactly how it is now is coming to Verison in January.

GOOD FIGHT DROID

From: shadohead
THe iphone 4 exactly how it is now is coming to Verison in January.

GOOD FIGHT DROID

flash


/thread

From: IceFire908
flash


/thread

Lollololol Flash is a joke, Jobs is not stupid for not putting flash on his devices.

And if flash is so important, explain why Apple sold millions of ipod touches, iphones, and ipads…



I guarantee, as soon as Iphone hits Verison, all those "Droid fanatics" will be lining up to get their hands on an Iphone 4.

^ I wouldn't be so sure about that. If they loved the iPhone so much, they'd switch networks. If they switched to an iPhone, they'd have to buy it for full price. I'm pretty sure it would be cheaper to pay the early termination fee and switch to AT&T for the iPhone than to buy it for $600 + monthly payments.

From: shadohead
Lollololol Flash is a joke, Jobs is not stupid for not putting flash on his devices.

And if flash is so important, explain why Apple sold millions of ipod touches, iphones, and ipads…

I guarantee, as soon as Iphone hits Verison, all those "Droid fanatics" will be lining up to get their hands on an Iphone 4.

Funny, because the EU is hitting them with a bunch of fines for not putting flash on their devices. And god, can you try to avoid double negatives?

Apple doesn't sell products based on function. When you buy a iPhone, or a iPod, you buy a BRAND, not a product. Jobs could call a shit covered brick the iPhone 5 and I bet people would buy it just because its from Apple.

I am still of the opinion that if someone spent a bunch of money on the iphone, buying a case won't break their back. Also it would help increase its lifespan.

This is sort of related to the topic but really a different one. : They are out there, but minor. They are not a problem, but will be. I am waiting for it to happen, because I know it will. Viruses. I mean major viruses on phones. I am just curious if it will hit micro or mac phones first. As always, the micos would be easier to program. But then again seeing the macs get a virus would cause more of an uproar. When will this come?

From: anonymity
I am still of the opinion that if someone spent a bunch of money on the iphone, buying a case won't break their back. Also it would help increase its lifespan.

This is sort of related to the topic but really a different one. : They are out there, but minor. They are not a problem, but will be. I am waiting for it to happen, because I know it will. Viruses. I mean major viruses on phones. I am just curious if it will hit micro or mac phones first. As always, the micos would be easier to program. But then again seeing the macs get a virus would cause more of an uproar. When will this come?

Well we know that these devices are not secure, there have already been demonstrations of security problems in phones. I think once the first big virus hits mobile devices, it will be a large landslide from there.

The question then becomes, who will be better at handling the situation?

The only thing is not many people store anything of importance on their phones. So for a widespread virus to happen, it would be for no point. And the only people who are smart enough to do something like this would be someone who does it for a point (usually).

Also, there are many different phones. Many different ways of them working, and the only way I think this could become a problem is if it was sent to every contact they had. To be honest, I'm sure that EVERY single phone would be infected by this if it were spread to all contacts. And I believe that would be difficult for the hacker to do.

From: i luffs yeww
^ I wouldn't be so sure about that. If they loved the iPhone so much, they'd switch networks. If they switched to an iPhone, they'd have to buy it for full price. I'm pretty sure it would be cheaper to pay the early termination fee and switch to AT&T for the iPhone than to buy it for $600 + monthly payments.

Switching networks isn't very easy, you have to go waste lots of time to drop one and join another, not to mention you may have to pay more money, and some people have a personal obligation to stay with one network. Plus, I have AT&T and it isn't that good, except i have a 3gs so i can deal with it, but if I was on Verison with a DRoiD, I wouldn't switch. And now that Iphone is going to Verison, I'm willing to bet anything, all those Droid fans who talk trash are gonna be lining up at apple's Door. Droid is a very good phone, and is a close 2nd to the Iphone, but doesn't beat it.

^ I still have to disagree.

From: shadohead
And now that Iphone is going to Verison, I'm willing to bet anything, all those Droid fans who talk trash are gonna be lining up at apple's Door. Droid is a very good phone, and is a close 2nd to the Iphone, but doesn't beat it.

That is because the Droid is almost a year old. Check out some of the new phones that are coming out in the very near future.

Almost a year old so it sucks? WTF.

It still beats the iPhone, sorry bro.

From: R0b0t1
Almost a year old so it sucks? WTF.

It still beats the iPhone, sorry bro.

I never said it did, the other guy did.

From: noidea
That is because the Droid is almost a year old. Check out some of the new phones that are coming out in the very near future.

The only other competitor currently is the Evo 4G, which is very good, but is not as good as an iphone.

And the Iphone 5, is gonna have a 12 mp camera, and everyone else will have 10. I got some insider info….

When I say AN you say DROID!

AN!

-DROID!

AN!

-DROID!

From: shadohead
The only other competitor currently is the Evo 4G, which is very good, but is not as good as an iphone.

- 4G
- [Much] larger screen
- Free tethering, Google Voice, other apps that Apple refuses to allow (granted there may be some big apps on the App Store and not Android, though I find the two I mentioned a big deal for me, not to mention that most apps will eventually come to Android whereas Apple will never allow certain apps)
- Better carriers (US)
- Flash (I don't care if it's flawed, it's useful as it is right now, HTML5 isn't nearly as big yet)
- HDMI port
- Full-featured multi-tasking

vs…

- Better camera (that 5 MP camera does look better)
- Higher Screen res.
- Better battery life
- More [junk] apps
- Better usability (non-issue unless you have issues with using technology)

No contest. Also notice the key words: "better", "higher", "more". The iPhone simply doesn't have many of the things Android (in this case, the Evo) has, and only improves on a select few (and Android beats it in nearly as many).

And the Iphone 5, is gonna have a 12 mp camera, and everyone else will have 10. I got some insider info….

1) There is absolutely no way any of that will happen
2) As stated above, MP means nothing

Edit: On the antenna thing..

Their bars explanation doesn't make sense. People aren't complaining only about the visual aspect (less bars), they're dropping calls as soon as they death grip their phone. Apple is just buying some time till they can figure out a way to get this over with smoothly without creating an uproar.

From: shadohead
The only other competitor currently is the Evo 4G, which is very good, but is not as good as an iphone.

And the Iphone 5, is gonna have a 12 mp camera, and everyone else will have 10. I got some insider info….

please dont spit shit or troll

How do you know every one else is going to have? I can see phones with Cameras higher than 10MP before the end of the year, expecially before iphone5 comes out /next year/
How is the Evo the only competitor? How is it not good enough?
Look at the Samsung Galaxy S. It has a humming bird gpu. Producing way more polygons a second than an Iphone could have ever dreamed of. The iphone4 screen is better than a Super AMOLED screenby 5%, but uses 35% more power.

Just puttin these here for the lols.

From: Tad
- 4G
- [Much] larger screen
- Free tethering, Google Voice, other apps that Apple refuses to allow (granted there may be some big apps on the App Store and not Android, though I find the two I mentioned a big deal for me, not to mention that most apps will eventually come to Android whereas Apple will never allow certain apps)
- Better carriers (US)
- Flash (I don't care if it's flawed, it's useful as it is right now, HTML5 isn't nearly as big yet)
- HDMI port
- Full-featured multi-tasking

vs…

- Better camera (that 5 MP camera does look better)
- Higher Screen res.
- Better battery life
- More [junk] apps
- Better usability (non-issue unless you have issues with using technology)

No contest. Also notice the key words: "better", "higher", "more". The iPhone simply doesn't have many of the things Android (in this case, the Evo) has, and only improves on a select few (and Android beats it in nearly as many).



1) There is absolutely no way any of that will happen
2) As stated above, MP means nothing

Edit: On the antenna thing..

Their bars explanation doesn't make sense. People aren't complaining only about the visual aspect (less bars), they're dropping calls as soon as they death grip their phone. Apple is just buying some time till they can figure out a way to get this over with smoothly without creating an uproar.

Im still fairyl drunk so idk if your on apple or android side, but with a lot of androiod phones your able to switch out the stock batter for a better battery, so I don't really think its fair to say the iphone 4 has a better battery when you can spend a extra 30$ and get a real nice battery from some chinese ebay shop that will last you 5 years.

^ lolwut?

From: Capricorn
Im still fairyl drunk so idk if your on apple or android side, but with a lot of androiod phones your able to switch out the stock batter for a better battery, so I don't really think its fair to say the iphone 4 has a better battery when you can spend a extra 30$ and get a real nice battery from some chinese ebay shop that will last you 5 years.

Does Santa himself deliver it?

From: Capricorn
Im still fairyl drunk so idk if your on apple or android side, but with a lot of androiod phones your able to switch out the stock batter for a better battery, so I don't really think its fair to say the iphone 4 has a better battery when you can spend a extra 30$ and get a real nice battery from some chinese ebay shop that will last you 5 years.

Maybe I'm just an Ebay noob, but a quick search garnered no results for a battery well over 1750mAh for less than $50 (only 1500mAh's, but I'm not a fan of carrying around several batteries). And if there were, I doubt I'd feel comfortable buying from some unknown shop in China.

From: i luffs yeww
The only thing is not many people store anything of importance on their phones. So for a widespread virus to happen, it would be for no point. And the only people who are smart enough to do something like this would be someone who does it for a point (usually).

^ I would have to disagree with that. You would be shocked/surprised at how many people use their phones for business email, storing passwords, making online payments, and the like. If there was something that presented a major security flaw, there would be information to get from many many phones.

With all the insider info on which phone will come out with what: do you have a legit price tag for all of that? I still think that they are too expensive to be worth all of the cool things I can do on my computer when I get home.

I wouldn't ever do any sort of banking or anything of importance on my phone. That seems foolish to me.

As it does to me, but I still see it. I know people who do that. Along with keeping all their important passwords on the cell phone because they can't remember them. I don't feel safe doing anything like that. I don't trust it. You said it well, "seems foolish."

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/appstore-hack-itunes/

~RM

From: Rasta Magician
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/appstore-hack-itunes/

~RM

That's very funny.

I consider this important information.

From: Rasta Magician
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/appstore-hack-itunes/
~RM

From: Town
I consider this important information.

Either way that is still loss of information, which done 'properly' can account for the loss/gain of millions of dollars. Yea Town, that is more of important information. Either way it is still information that one does not want to be loosing.

:p RM, that's a good read. So much for the app store being such a great and safe place..

btw incase you guys don't know, I believe the signal problem on the new iphone was a software problem which makes the bars (signal) higher then they actually are

^ No.

From: cycrosism
btw incase you guys don't know, I believe the signal problem on the new iphone was a software problem which makes the bars (signal) higher then they actually are

In case you didnt know, Apples customer service confirmed that the software update would /not/ fix it, and that wasnt the reason.

Droid Incredible > Iphone

From: Smartzkid
Droid Incredible > Iphone

Except in quantity ;)
The Incredible's screen is AMOLED, which is very hard to produce and takes a long time to make. There is currently a HUGE shortage of AMOLED screens, thus a huge shortage of Incredibles.

^ they may have a shortage of em, but does that change the incredibleness of it?? :D

From: noidea
Except in quantity ;)
The Incredible's screen is AMOLED, which is very hard to produce and takes a long time to make. There is currently a HUGE shortage of AMOLED screens, thus a huge shortage of Incredibles.

So I've found out. FML I WANT MY DROID ALREADY

iPhone 4 Bursts Into Flames

If there's any truth to that, here we go again :D

Commence in guessing what Steve Jobs will say about this.

Awesome. I have this conspiracy theory that someone inside Apple wants to completely ruin the company. I am all for this.

From: R0b0t1
Awesome. I have this conspiracy theory that someone inside Apple wants to completely ruin the company. I am all for this.

This^

and

iPhone 3gs < Droid1
iPhone 4 < Droid X2

1http://gizmodo.com/5442459/nexus-one-vs-iphone-3gs-vs-droid-vs-pre-the-definitive-comparison
2http://www.pcworld.com/article/199729/droid_x_vs_iphone_4_spec_smackdown.html


This^

From: shadohead
Lollololol Flash is a joke, Jobs is not stupid for not putting flash on his devices.

And if flash is so important, explain why Apple sold millions of ipod touches, iphones, and ipads…



I guarantee, as soon as Iphone hits Verison, all those "Droid fanatics" will be lining up to get their hands on an Iphone 4.

Why would we downgrade to the iphone 4?

Apples fails. Shit hardware. Shit software. Amazing marketing.
If people managed to pull their head from their "trendy" arses for two seconds and use a real phone then they would want to murder Steve Jobs for such a piece of junk.

My advice is to get a "droid" phone and use the hunk of junk iphone as a paper weight.

I guarantee, as soon as Iphone hits Verison, all those "Droid fanatics" will be lining up to get their hands on the new droid

fixed

Rawr. I'm still waiting for my droid incredible :/

I fell into a creek and let my droid dry out for 3 days and it still runs perfectly :O

From: IceFire908
I fell into a creek and let my droid dry out for 3 days and it still runs perfectly :O

Lol what were you doing by a creek with your phone ;)?

^ 'o.O Do you not carry your phone everywhere?

More importantly how much of a klutz do you have to be to fall into a creek …

Nokia still owns you all. N900 > any phone. ;)

From: Wizzup?
Nokia still owns you all. N900 > any phone. ;)

What makes it better than a droid x? I can't find anything about this phone in particular. Recording 720p with an 8mb camera is hard to beat, so is the open source android OS.

From: IceFire908
What makes it better than a droid x? I can't find anything about this phone in particular. Recording 720p with an 8mb camera is hard to beat, so is the open source android OS.

I find Maemo / Meego better than Android. Obviously the Nokia n900 now lacks behind in hardware support, but it's actually quite old already as well… (10 months or so?)
Maemo / Meego is a full Linux system, whereas Android shares a lot less with the common GNU architectures, and doesn't have all the GNU utils I'd like to have. (AFAIK anyway)
For Maemo, I could simply cross compile Simba to ARM and it just ``worked'' on my phone, as I have demonstrated. This is why I think Maemo is better. Obviously Android may have more mature apps fit for phones, but Maemo also includes a lot of applications that normal Linux distros have; ones you would not expect on phones. (Aircrack, wireshark, nmap, sshd for remote login, lighttpd, Xterminal, vim)
It also gives you root access. Heck, it even has a complete chroot environment with desktop environment for apps like OpenOffice. o_O

FYI: I see how it may not be suited for the everyday Joe the Plumber, but it's by far the best phone for me.

From: Capricorn
More importantly how much of a klutz do you have to be to fall into a creek …

I've done it at least twice lol..and once into a river

From: Wizzup?
I find Maemo / Meego better than Android. Obviously the Nokia n900 now lacks behind in hardware support, but it's actually quite old already as well… (10 months or so?)
Maemo / Meego is a full Linux system, whereas Android shares a lot less with the common GNU architectures, and doesn't have all the GNU utils I'd like to have. (AFAIK anyway)
For Maemo, I could simply cross compile Simba to ARM and it just ``worked'' on my phone, as I have demonstrated. This is why I think Maemo is better. Obviously Android may have more mature apps fit for phones, but Maemo also includes a lot of applications that normal Linux distros have; ones you would not expect on phones. (Aircrack, wireshark, nmap, sshd for remote login, lighttpd, Xterminal, vim)
It also gives you root access. Heck, it even has a complete chroot environment with desktop environment for apps like OpenOffice. o_O

FYI: I see how it may not be suited for the everyday Joe the Plumber, but it's by far the best phone for me.

Yea I can see where that'd benefit, the producers of a lot of phones do not like people doing whatever they want with it easily.

From: Capricorn
More importantly how much of a klutz do you have to be to fall into a creek …

Really not a kutlz at all, I (we) were running through a forest I wasn't to familiar with, it turns out they had recently cut back several feet of brush and trees before it making it impossible to see at night. Of course when your hauln all it takes is one step off to the side in the dark and the next thing you know you are falling.

From: IceFire908
What makes it better than a droid x? I can't find anything about this phone in particular. Recording 720p with an 8mb camera is hard to beat, so is the open source android OS.

Keep in mind it's not always about the MP, but often the compression algorithm the phone uses to compress the pictures and videos the user takes.

From: noidea
Keep in mind it's not always about the MP, but often the compression algorithm the phone uses to compress the pictures and videos the user takes.

What is this supposed to mean? The videos are kept in pure format and are not compressed at all unless you try sending them through a text message, you could upload them straight to youtube as 720p

Just got my Evo :D Got on the local Sprint store's waiting list 2 days ago, rep called this morning, came in during the afternoon to pick it up.

From: IceFire908
What is this supposed to mean? The videos are kept in pure format and are not compressed at all unless you try sending them through a text message, you could upload them straight to youtube as 720p

Well, the Evo has 720p with an 8.0MP camera as well, and the video is pretty bad. I've only tried it inside in semi-dim light though, so maybe that's its weak spot (or maybe I screwed up the settings - only thing I changed was the camera quality from VGA to 720p, maybe there's some other un-optimized setting). Looking at an iPhone 4's test, iPhone wins pretty easily in that respect. The camera takes excellent pictures, hard to compare that though.

From: Tad
Just got my Evo :D Got on the local Sprint store's waiting list 2 days ago, rep called this morning, came in during the afternoon to pick it up.



Well, the Evo has 720p with an 8.0MP camera as well, and the video is pretty bad. I've only tried it inside in semi-dim light though, so maybe that's its weak spot (or maybe I screwed up the settings - only thing I changed was the camera quality from VGA to 720p, maybe there's some other un-optimized setting). Looking at an iPhone 4's test, iPhone wins pretty easily in that respect. The camera takes excellent pictures, hard to compare that though.

You're comparing a video in dim light (8mp) to one in good setting of lesser mp (5mp), I'd say that would be the sole reason.

From: IceFire908
What is this supposed to mean? The videos are kept in pure format and are not compressed at all unless you try sending them through a text message, you could upload them straight to youtube as 720p

I highly doubt that the video isn't compressed. There's no way the SD card would be able to write at a high enough speed for that.

From: IceFire908
You're comparing a video in dim light (8mp) to one in good setting of lesser mp (5mp), I'd say that would be the sole reason.

I don't think that's the sole reason. The framerate and general quality of any video I've shot on my EVO really sucks. It stutters and blurs constantly. Since the EVO's camera is from the same company as the iPhone's (AFAIK), just with more megapixels, I think much of the problem is in the software.
Obviously a 5mp camera will shoot better video in a dim setting, but the difference in the video quality of the two phones really is huge…

Saying the iphone 4's camera is better than the Droid X's

made me laugh

iPhone fanboys will never die

From: IceFire908
Saying the iphone 4's camera is better than the Droid X's

made me laugh

iPhone fanboys will never die

If you're talking to me (I think you are, though I never said anything about the Droid X), I'm not an iPhone fanboy; I have never used an iPhone, nor would I ever own one. However, video is better on the iPhone than on the EVO, whether you choose to believe it or not. But like I said, I believe this is mostly a software/driver issue.
EVO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpHqFi-k850
iPhone 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFcJuary2qs

From: bullzeye95
If you're talking to me (I think you are, though I never said anything about the Droid X), I'm not an iPhone fanboy; I have never used an iPhone, nor would I ever own one. However, video is better on the iPhone than on the EVO, whether you choose to believe it or not. But like I said, I believe this is mostly a software/driver issue.
EVO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpHqFi-k850
iPhone 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFcJuary2qs

1) There is a small if not any difference between Droid X's camera and the HTC Evolution.
2) I find it funny your opinion is based off of irrelevant, easily tampered, easily disproved data on youtube. Even though I believe the videos are very similar the HTC's possibly even better on a binary level and visually depending on different tastes and not facts.
3) Lastly, I don't think there is a driver/software issue as that sounds ridiculous the fact of the matter is apple cares about their money and not customer satisfaction (unless there's money involved in that to) so having a slightly less expensive camera on millions of phones for people to debate if it's as good as an 8mb is something Steve Jobs would never do, right?

oh, and I'm not always talking to you directly ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple

From: IceFire908
1) There is a small if not any difference between Droid X's camera and the HTC Evolution.
2) I find it funny your opinion is based off of irrelevant, easily tampered, easily disproved data on youtube. Even though I believe the videos are very similar the HTC's possibly even better on a binary level and visually depending on different tastes and not facts.
3) Lastly, I don't think there is a driver/software issue as that sounds ridiculous the fact of the matter is apple cares about their money and not customer satisfaction (unless there's money involved in that to) so having a slightly less expensive camera on millions of phones for people to debate if it's as good as an 8mb is something Steve Jobs would never do, right?

oh, and I'm not always talking to you directly ;)

1. Yes, I think it is the same camera. I have not seen what the video on the Droid X looks like though.
2. My opinion is based on many different factors. I own an EVO, so I can see for myself what kind of video it takes; I have been following all of the camera/video discussion at XDA; there are many different EVO and iPhone 4 video samples from many different sources, and every time I find the iPhone to be much better. I understand that people have different tastes, but the iPhone just is better at capturing video in low light.
3. I thought it was ridiculous at first also, but there is a lot of evidence that points to it being mostly a software issue. First, HTC recently released an update that slightly improves the camera in low light, proving that it is/was not performing at its full potential. Second, it is proven by the source code that HTC compresses the hell out of the video, much more than they need to. Third, I compared HTC's camera (normal picture) app to many third-party ones, and the difference in quality is amazing. Pictures taken in low light with HTC's app are almost unrecognizable, while pictures taken in the exact same setting/position with "vignette" look great. This again proves that HTC is not using the camera at its full potential.

From: noidea
Keep in mind it's not always about the MP, but often the compression algorithm the phone uses to compress the pictures and videos the user takes.

From: bullzeye95
1. Yes, I think it is the same camera. I have not seen what the video on the Droid X looks like though.
2. My opinion is based on many different factors. I own an EVO, so I can see for myself what kind of video it takes; I have been following all of the camera/video discussion at XDA; there are many different EVO and iPhone 4 video samples from many different sources, and every time I find the iPhone to be much better. I understand that people have different tastes, but the iPhone just is better at capturing video in low light.
3. I thought it was ridiculous at first also, but there is a lot of evidence that points to it being mostly a software issue. First, HTC recently released an update that slightly improves the camera in low light, proving that it is/was not performing at its full potential. Second, it is proven by the source code that HTC compresses the hell out of the video, much more than they need to. Third, I compared HTC's camera (normal picture) app to many third-party ones, and the difference in quality is amazing. Pictures taken in low light with HTC's app are almost unrecognizable, while pictures taken in the exact same setting/position with "vignette" look great. This again proves that HTC is not using the camera at its full potential.

Thank you for furthering what I was saying. I forgot about about this thread :/

From: IceFire908
Saying the iphone 4's camera is better than the Droid X's

made me laugh

iPhone fanboys will never die

You sir, are the biggest Fanboy of anything I've ever seen.

gf steve jobs, u tried kid.